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james_n be_v the_o sovereign_a lord_n in_o temporall_n over_o his_o dominion_n for_o to_o use_v the_o like_a argument_n you_o frame_v above_o if_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o nothing_o be_v exact_v by_o the_o aforesaid_a oath_n but_o temporal_a allegiance_n than_o we_o may_v not_o only_o swear_v but_o also_o be_v bind_v to_o swear_v that_o such_o a_o oath_n be_v minister_v by_o lawful_a authority_n but_o when_o it_o be_v questionable_a and_o uncertain_a whether_o the_o king_n majesty_n or_o the_o pope_n holiness_n be_v the_o sovereign_a lord_n in_o temporall_n not_o only_o of_o this_o kingdom_n but_o according_a to_o the_o canonist_n doctrine_n which_o most_o learned_a victoria_n affirm_v to_o be_v altogether_o improbable_a as_o in_o very_a deed_n it_o be_v of_o all_o the_o christian_a kingdom_n in_o the_o world_n and_o consequent_o whether_o the_o king_n exact_v such_o a_o oath_n of_o his_o subject_n shall_v cause_v they_o wrong_v the_o pope_n or_o church_n or_o make_v they_o swear_v 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man_n go_v about_o to_o kill_v a_o prince_n deprive_v if_o he_o still_o usurp_v when_o tyrannical_a usurper_n may_v be_v slay_v by_o private_a man_n as_o all_o do_v grant_v i_o say_v if_o he_o still_o usurp_v for_o if_o he_o do_v not_o but_o yield_v up_o his_o crown_n as_o some_o have_v do_v after_o deprivation_n it_o be_v evident_a murder_n to_o kill_v such_o a_o prince_n as_o all_o do_v teach_v it_o be_v only_o deduce_v out_o of_o your_o rule_n in_o pari_fw-la casu_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o the_o like_a case_n etc._n etc._n to_o be_v murder_n which_o rule_n when_o it_o be_v not_o in_o scripture_n as_o i_o say_v before_o the_o opposite_a doctrine_n can_v not_o be_v heretical_a answer_n 1_o but_o first_o although_o it_o be_v not_o clear_a in_o scripture_n direct_o and_o immediate_o answ_n answ_n that_o it_o be_v murder_v to_o kill_v a_o prince_n excommunicate_v or_o deprive_v by_o the_o pope_n if_o he_o will_v not_o obey_v his_o sentence_n of_o deprivation_n not_o to_o use_v your_o unrespective_a word_n if_o he_o still_o usurp_v see_v that_o a_o prince_n who_o have_v possession_n and_o a_o probable_a title_n be_v by_o none_o account_v a_o usurper_n yet_o it_o be_v repugnant_a to_o scripture_n indirect_o virtual_o and_o by_o a_o necessary_a consequence_n to_o kill_v such_o a_o prince_n for_o that_o neither_o excommunication_n which_o deprive_v he_o only_o of_o spiritual_a grace_n nor_o deprivation_n which_o deprive_v he_o only_o of_o his_o kingdom_n according_a to_o those_o that_o hold_v it_o for_o certain_a that_o the_o pope_n have_v authority_n to_o deprive_v prince_n &_o not_o of_o his_o life_n can_v hinder_v that_o the_o kill_n of_o such_o a_o prince_n be_v not_o include_v in_o that_o general_a thou_o shall_v not_o kill_v 2_o second_o i_o wonder_v that_o you_o hold_v it_o probable_a as_o i_o suppose_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v not_o authority_n to_o deprive_v prince_n shall_v so_o dangerous_o &_o seditious_o apply_v that_o similitude_n of_o kill_a usurper_n to_o the_o kill_n of_o prince_n excommunicate_v or_o deprive_v by_o the_o pope_n see_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o kill_a usurper_n be_v understand_v by_o all_o that_o approve_v it_o of_o know_v manifest_a and_o undoubted_a usurper_n and_o not_o of_o such_o as_o have_v possession_n &_o also_o a_o probable_a title_n to_o the_o crown_n as_o have_v all_o those_o prince_n which_o be_v excommunicate_v or_o deprive_v by_o the_o pope_n suppose_v it_o to_o be_v a_o controversy_n among_o catholic_n as_o undoubted_o it_o be_v whether_o the_o pope_n have_v authority_n to_o deprive_v wicked_a prince_n or_o no._n if_o 3_o three_o that_o which_o you_o say_v that_o he_o yield_v up_o his_o crown_n as_o some_o have_v do_v it_o be_v evident_a murder_n in_o any_o one_o to_o go_v about_o to_o kill_v such_o a_o prince_n be_v very_o true_a yet_o it_o be_v not_o clear_a and_o express_o contain_v in_o scripture_n but_o to_o prove_v it_o evident_a murder_n you_o must_v use_v the_o help_n of_o a_o argument_n whereof_o one_o of_o the_o premise_n be_v not_o formal_o and_o express_o contain_v in_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o according_a to_o your_o ground_n you_o can_v not_o abjure_v as_o heretical_a that_o doctrine_n which_o shall_v maintain_v it_o for_o no_o murder_n although_o you_o grant_v it_o to_o be_v evident_a murder_n 4_o four_o if_o you_o will_v call_v to_o mind_v the_o history_n of_o those_o prince_n who_o have_v yield_v up_o their_o crown_n after_o deprivation_n whereof_o you_o can_v name_v but_o very_o few_o you_o shall_v find_v such_o stuff_n about_o the_o practice_n of_o this_o doctrine_n of_o depose_v that_o any_o zealous_a catholic_a may_v be_v ashamed_a thereof_o among_o those_o few_o prince_n remember_v our_o king_n john_n who_o render_v up_o his_o crown_n after_o deprivation_n but_o to_o who_o do_v he_o yield_v or_o render_v it_o not_o to_o the_o next_o heir_n of_o the_o blood_n royal_a who_o after_o king_n johns_n deprivation_n be_v forthwith_o the_o true_a king_n by_o right_n if_o king_n john_n be_v true_o and_o real_o deprive_v but_o he_o give_v it_o to_o the_o pope_n and_o how_o i_o pray_v you_o can_v he_o give_v that_o to_o the_o pope_n whereof_o he_o be_v deprive_v and_o consequent_o have_v no_o right_a therein_o if_o the_o pope_n have_v true_o authority_n to_o deprive_v he_o or_o how_o can_v the_o pope_n accept_v thereof_o if_o king_n john_n when_o he_o give_v it_o to_o the_o pope_n be_v deprive_v thereof_o and_o consequent_o have_v no_o right_a to_o give_v that_o which_o be_v not_o he_o but_o let_v we_o on_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o discourse_n sect._n 6._o objection_n and_o as_o for_o the_o example_n you_o produce_v to_o prove_v say_v you_o that_o these_o particular_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o general_n object_n object_n i_o think_v they_o be_v not_o so_o good_a and_o apt_a for_o that_o purpose_n and_o in_o they_o i_o find_v a_o great_a disparity_n for_o to_o take_v a_o purse_n from_o our_o neighbour_n or_o to_o kill_v he_o with_o a_o pen_n knife_n if_o he_o lead_v a_o wanton_a life_n be_v unquestionable_a theft_n and_o murder_n and_o include_v in_o the_o general_n and_o that_o one_o live_v a_o wicked_a life_n can_v no_o way_n be_v excuse_n for_o the_o fault_n commit_v but_o to_o depose_v or_o kill_v a_o prince_n deprive_v if_o after_o deprivation_n he_o usurp_v be_v with_o many_o questionable_a and_o probable_o think_v by_o some_o neither_o theft_n nor_o murder_n and_o so_o though_o to_o you_o according_a to_o your_o rule_n they_o may_v be_v think_v so_o to_o be_v yet_o by_o other_o they_o be_v no_o more_o repute_v such_o or_o include_v in_o the_o general_a proposition_n of_o theft_n and_o murder_n then_o take_v a_o cow_n or_o horse_n from_o the_o enemy_n in_o time_n of_o war_n when_o the_o cause_n be_v just_a or_o kill_v a_o tyrant_n in_o call_v usurper_n in_o a_o commonwealth_n which_o neither_o
admit_v arbiter_n to_o end_v the_o controversy_n in_o a_o peaceable_a manner_n without_o make_v war_n for_o that_o war_n must_v not_o be_v wage_v when_o the_o controversy_n may_v otherwise_o be_v peaceable_o end_v but_o neither_o also_o with_o this_o controversy_n will_v i_o intermeddle_v 4_o four_o whereas_o you_o say_v that_o king_n and_o prince_n who_o have_v no_o superior_n oftentimes_o fall_v to_o war_n and_o one_o seek_v to_o dispossess_v a_o other_o only_o upon_o a_o probable_a title_n you_o may_v for_o answer_v hereof_o have_v call_v to_o mind_n what_o card._n bellarmine_n relate_v by_o widdrington_n 445_o widdrington_n in_o his_o apology_n for_o the_o right_n of_o prince_n nu_fw-la 445_o answer_v to_o such_o kind_n of_o argument_n aliud_fw-la est_fw-la facta_fw-la regum_fw-la refer_v etc._n etc._n it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o relate_v the_o fact_n of_o king_n and_o a_o other_o to_o prove_v their_o power_n &_o authority_n and_o beside_o it_o may_v very_o well_o be_v that_o the_o prince_n who_o begin_v the_o war_n think_v his_o title_n to_o be_v certain_a and_o the_o other_o title_n not_o to_o be_v probable_a and_o moreover_o the_o title_n for_o which_o they_o make_v war_n may_v be_v mere_o temporal_a which_o belong_v not_o to_o our_o case_n as_o you_o shall_v see_v beneath_o but_o let_v we_o go_v on_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o objection_n sect._n 11._o objection_n and_o if_o a_o probable_a title_n say_v you_o be_v not_o sufficient_a excuse_n for_o the_o dispossess_v of_o the_o right_n object_n object_n which_o a_o other_o hould_v it_o be_v as_o good_a have_v no_o title_n at_o all_o as_o a_o probable_a title_n without_o possession_n answer_n 1_o but_o first_o answ_n answ_n your_o consequence_n be_v not_o good_a for_o no_o title_n be_v good_a for_o nothing_o but_o a_o probable_a title_n without_o possession_n in_o subject_n be_v good_a for_o this_o to_o call_v the_o title_n in_o question_n and_o to_o have_v it_o examine_v &_o decide_v by_o a_o lawful_a and_o undoubted_a judge_n and_o in_o absolute_a prince_n who_o have_v no_o superior_n in_o temporal_n it_o be_v good_a in_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o divine_n to_o have_v the_o matter_n put_v to_o arbitrement_n or_o compromise_n which_o if_o the_o prince_n who_o be_v in_o possession_n refuse_v the_o other_o prince_n may_v according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o these_o divine_n wherewith_o i_o will_v not_o meddle_v make_v war_n against_o he_o for_o the_o wrong_n do_v he_o in_o not_o admit_v arbiter_n also_o a_o probable_a title_n without_o possession_n be_v better_a than_o no_o title_n for_o that_o it_o be_v good_a after_o the_o decease_n of_o they_o who_o have_v possession_n to_o have_v the_o matter_n decide_v by_o the_o kingdom_n or_o commonwealth_n to_o who_o it_o belong_v as_o well_o observe_v vasquez_n to_o determine_v doubtful_a title_n when_o none_o be_v in_o possession_n as_o also_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o all_o divine_n it_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n or_o spiritual_a kingdom_n of_o christ_n which_o a_o general_a council_n do_v represent_v to_o determine_v and_o decide_v the_o doubtful_a title_n of_o two_o pope_n although_o both_o of_o they_o be_v partly_o in_o possession_n 2_o second_o your_o consequent_a for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o make_n of_o war_n upon_o a_o probable_a title_n without_o possession_n vasquez_n will_v not_o fear_v to_o admit_v for_o it_o be_v not_o absurd_a to_o grant_v that_o a_o probable_a title_n without_o possession_n be_v as_o good_a as_o no_o title_n for_o the_o make_n of_o war_n against_o a_o prince_n who_o have_v both_o a_o probable_a title_n and_o also_o possession_n as_o also_o it_o be_v no_o absurdity_n to_o grant_v but_o rather_o a_o most_o certain_a doctrine_n that_o aprobable_a matter_n of_o baptism_n be_v in_o some_o case_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v practice_v as_o good_a as_o no_o matter_n 4._o see_v vasques_n 1.2_o disp_n 63_o &_o disp_a 64_o cap._n 4._o for_o that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a in_o some_o case_n to_o baptize_v with_o a_o probable_a matter_n to_o wit_n when_o we_o may_v use_v a_o certain_a and_o undoubted_a matter_n and_o a_o probable_a medicine_n be_v in_o some_o case_n as_o good_a as_o no_o medicine_n for_o that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o apply_v to_o one_o a_o probable_a medicine_n when_o a_o undoubted_a medicine_n may_v be_v apply_v sect._n 12._o objection_n now_o in_o this_o contention_n say_v you_o betwixt_o the_o pope_n object_n object_n &_o the_o prince_n though_o the_o prince_n have_v a_o probable_a title_n after_o deprivation_n and_o also_o possession_n it_o be_v houlden_v with_o wrong_a to_o the_o church_n &_o prejudice_n to_o christ_n flock_n who_o good_a be_v more_o to_o be_v respect_v than_o the_o private_a good_a of_o a_o temporal_a prince_n and_o so_o it_o seem_v he_o may_v be_v deprive_v of_o his_o right_n upon_o a_o probable_a title_n though_o absolute_o abstract_v from_o such_o case_n it_o may_v not_o be_v do_v answer_n 1_o but_o this_o have_v be_v full_o answer_v above_o answ_n answ_n for_o it_o be_v a_o most_o false_a and_o seditious_a doctrine_n to_o hold_v that_o a_o prince_n in_o keep_v the_o possession_n of_o his_o crown_n to_o which_o as_o you_o confess_v he_o have_v a_o probable_a right_n after_o deprivation_n do_v any_o wrong_n or_o injury_n to_o the_o church_n or_o any_o unjust_a prejudice_n to_o christ_n flock_n or_o that_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n or_o of_o christ_n flock_n be_v to_o be_v respect_v or_o obtain_v by_o unjust_a mean_n and_o with_o the_o wrong_n of_o any_o man_n much_o less_o of_o prince_n who_o in_o use_v &_o defend_v their_o probable_a right_n be_v in_o possession_n do_v no_o man_n wrong_v for_o if_o it_o be_v no_o wrong_n as_o you_o in_o vasquez_n judgement_n false_o and_o absurd_o suppose_v for_o the_o pope_n or_o prince_n who_o have_v only_o a_o probable_a title_n without_o possession_n to_o invade_v and_o assault_v a_o other_o prince_n who_o have_v both_o a_o probable_a title_n and_o also_o possession_n much_o more_o it_o be_v no_o wrong_n for_o this_o prince_n so_o assault_v to_o defend_v himself_o and_o therefore_o you_o must_v not_o be_v so_o mindful_a of_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n or_o other_o good_a end_n that_o you_o forget_v that_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o all_o good_a end_n must_v be_v obtain_v by_o good_a mean_n for_o as_o you_o know_v bonum_fw-la est_fw-la ex_fw-la integra_fw-la causa_fw-la etc._n etc._n good_a proceed_v from_o and_o entier_fw-fr cause_n nom_fw-fr dionysius_n areo_fw-la pag._n 4._o cap._n de_fw-fr diu_fw-la nom_fw-fr but_o evil_a from_o every_o defect_n 2_o second_o i_o do_v not_o well_o understand_v that_o exception_n you_o make_v in_o your_o last_o word_n though_o absolute_o abstract_v from_o such_o case_n it_o may_v not_o be_v do_v for_o i_o do_v not_o see_v but_o that_o according_a to_o the_o principle_n of_o your_o doctrine_n if_o a_o heretical_a or_o wicked_a prince_n be_v deprive_v 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