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they_o say_v be_v by_o transubstantiation_n the_o bishop_n say_v we_o dissent_v about_o the_o real_a presence_n m._n mountagu_n say_v no_o for_o say_v he_o our_o dissent_n be_v mere_o about_o transubstantiation_n by_o which_o it_o appear_v m._n mountagu_n his_o argument_n in_o the_o behalf_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v answer_v long_o before_o he_o be_v bear_v it_o may_v be_v he_o will_v reply_v to_o this_o answer_n of_o the_o bishop_n that_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a and_o give_v the_o reason_n for_o it_o which_o he_o allege_v in_o the_o like_a case_n in_o his_o appeal_v pag._n 291._o viz._n the_o devil_n breed_v he_o up_o in_o a_o faction_n and_o send_v he_o abroad_o to_o do_v he_o service_n in_o maintain_v a_o faction_n and_o thus_o he_o must_v reply_v or_o blot_v out_o of_o both_o his_o book_n that_o bitter_a sentence_n which_o be_v write_v against_o all_o such_o as_o make_v any_o difference_n between_o the_o romish_a church_n and_o we_o in_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n i_o rejoine_v to_o it_o in_o the_o bishop_n word_n p._n 237._o if_o he_o be_v of_o god_n he_o know_v well_o he_o shall_v not_o thus_o bestow_v his_o tongue_n and_o hand_n moreover_o if_o he_o have_v the_o understanding_n of_o a_o man_n he_o know_v it_o be_v evidence_n of_o truth_n not_o bitterness_n of_o rail_v that_o carry_v credit_n in_o a_o divinity_n question_n let_v he_o first_o take_v away_o the_o bishop_n proof_n and_o show_v wherein_o he_o be_v a_o liar_n or_o a_o ignorant_a man_n and_o then_o there_o may_v be_v some_o excuse_n for_o this_o rail_n till_o then_o it_o will_v be_v hold_v a_o rule_v case_n his_o will_n be_v good_a but_o his_o cause_n nought_o he_o must_v rail_v because_o he_o have_v nothing_o else_o to_o say_v and_o with_o this_o i_o conclude_v all_o the_o pretence_n that_o he_o have_v for_o his_o agreement_n in_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i_o will_v now_o deliver_v some_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v oppose_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n as_o follow_v 1_o many_o of_o our_o nation_n have_v give_v their_o body_n to_o the_o fire_n for_o deny_v it_o 2_o it_o have_v be_v proclaim_v against_o by_o our_o minister_n without_o any_o blame_n from_o authority_n or_o know_v opposition_n from_o any_o of_o we_o 3_o our_o church_n have_v determine_v what_o be_v to_o be_v hold_v touch_v the_o nature_n and_o effect_n of_o this_o sacrament_n and_o have_v not_o a_o word_n of_o the_o real_a presence_n our_o church_n have_v determine_v that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v to_o be_v eat_v take_v and_o give_v only_o after_o a_o spiritual_a manner_n and_o by_o faith_n and_o deny_v worship_n to_o it_o arti._n 28._o that_o the_o wicked_a receive_v the_o sign_n but_o be_v not_o partaker_n of_o christ_n arti._n 29._o that_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v administer_v to_o all_o man_n in_o both_o kind_n arti._n 30._o which_o it_o will_v not_o have_v do_v if_o it_o have_v grant_v the_o popish_a real_a presence_n last_o bishop_n jewel_n in_o the_o name_n and_o defence_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n deny_v it_o and_o maintain_v that_o that_o article_n of_o the_o popish_a faith_n be_v erroneous_a first_o in_o his_o apology_n beginning_n at_o chapter_n 12_o the_o 2_o part_n and_o so_o forward_o and_o again_o in_o his_o reply_n to_o harding_n arti._n 5._o and_o this_o i_o hope_n be_v sufficient_a to_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n reject_v the_o popish_a real_a presence_n it_o remain_v in_o the_o three_o place_n that_o we_o examine_v whether_o the_o popish_a real_a presence_n be_v true_a or_o not_o but_o of_o that_o i_o find_v nothing_o in_o he_o it_o be_v meet_v for_o he_o to_o have_v prove_v it_o before_o he_o have_v pronounce_v the_o opposer_n thereof_o be_v breed_v by_o the_o devil_n as_o he_o do_v in_o the_o word_n which_o i_o have_v allege_v that_o he_o prove_v it_o not_o in_o his_o gag_n it_o be_v no_o marvel_n 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rome_n call_v voluntary_a work_n work_n of_o supererogation_n artic._n 14._o so_o do_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o i_o have_v show_v out_o of_o bellarmine_n n_o o_o 1._o therefore_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v ignorant_a and_o fantastical_a 2_o o_o mr_n mountagu_n who_o do_v you_o make_v yourself_o to_o be_v do_v you_o know_v the_o faith_n of_o rome_n better_a than_o your_o mother_n nay_o better_o than_o yourself_o you_o subscribe_v that_o article_n and_o thereby_o profess_v those_o word_n of_o she_o to_o be_v true_a be_v the_o other_o end_n of_o your_o tongue_n turn_v outward_o that_o you_o now_o unsay_v what_o you_o say_v then_o do_v you_o then_o know_v and_o now_o be_v ignorant_a but_o suppose_v you_o may_v make_v thus_o bold_a with_o your_o mother_n and_o yourself_o do_v you_o think_v to_o beg_v all_o the_o learned_a in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o fool_n that_o understand_v not_o their_o own_o faith_n but_o you_o will_v be_v 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