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A91250 Prynne the Member reconciled to Prynne the barrester. Or An ansvver to a scandalous pamphlet, intituled, Prynne against Prynne. Wherein is a cleare demonstration, that William Prynne, utter barrester of Lincolnes Inne, in his soveraigne power of parliaments and kingdomes, is of the same judgement with, and no wayes contradictory to William Prynne Esquire, a Member of the House of Commons in his memento. Wherein the unlawfullnesse of the proceedings against the King, and altering the present government is manifested out of his former writings and all cavils and calumnies of this scandalous pamphleteer fully answered. / By William Prynne Esquire, barrester at law, and a Member of the House of Commons. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1649 (1649) Wing P4043; Thomason E558_5; ESTC R203281 19,546 27

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PRYNNE The MEMBER reconciled to PRYNNE The BARRESTER OR An Answer to a Scandalous Pamphlet Intituled PRYNNE against PRYNNE Wherein is a cleare demonstration That William Prynne Vtter Barrester of Lincolnes Inne in his Soveraigne Power of Parliaments and Kingdomes is of the same Judgement with and no wayes contradictory to William Prynne Esquire A Member of the House of Commons in his MEMENTO Wherein the unlawfullnesse of the Proceedings against the King and altering the present Government is manifested out of his former writings and all cavils and calumnies of this scandalous Pamphleteer fully Answered By William Prynne Esquire Barrester at Law and a Member of the House of Commons Tit. 1. 12. 13. One of themselves even a Prophet of their owne said The Cretians ARE ALWAYES LYARS evill beasts slow Bellies This witnesse is true wherefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith LONDON Printed Anno Dom. 1649. To the Reader Curteous Reader MEeting this morning with a printed Pamphlet intituled Prynne against Prynne Or the answeer of William Prynne Vtter-Barrester of Lincolnes Inne to a pamphlet lately published by william Prynne Esq a Member of the House of Commons intituled a breif Memento to the present unparliamentary I unto touching their present intentions and proceedings to Depose and Execute CHALES STEVVARD their lawfull Soveraigne with an Imprimatur of Theodore Iennings Jan. 25. 1648. prefixed to it written as I am credibly informed by a Colonell a Member of the Commons House and one of his Majesties present Judges to represent and render me an Apostate and turne-coate to the world like himselfe and to gaine some colour for this unjust and illegall proceedings if possible from my writings who ever from my Soule abominated and declared against them as Jesuiticall and Treasonable in all my writings I held it my duty to returne this short and speedy Answer thereunto both to vindicate my wounded reputation against all imputations of inconstancy and mutability in my principles or actions which have been alwayes loyall uniform ayming onely at the Common-good not vertiginous mutable perfidious and selfish as his and his Confederates appeare to all men It is Gods owne glory to be a Mal. 3. 6. unchangeable b Iam 1. 17. unvariable and without shadow of turning c Heb. 13. 8. yesterday to day and the same for ever d Camdens Elizabeth Speed Hollinshed SEMPER EADEM was Qu●een Elizabeths Motto and Semper idem shall be through Gods assisstance mine who as I am commanded by God himselfe to be e 1 Cor 15. 58. alwayes stedfast unmoveable and f Prov. 24 21. not to meddle or confederate with those who are given to change So I trust to manifest my selfe in this ensuing Tract in despite of calumny to be still the same I was heretofore both to the Kings and Kingdomes true and reall interest which now lye both at Stake likely to be speedily and irrecoverably lost by some false rooking Gamesters who play badly for themselves Which is the feare and apprehension of their and his poore Countries freind and wel-wisher for which he is once more like to become a Martyr January 29 ●648 William Prynne PRYNNE the Member reconciled to PRYNNE the BARRESTER HAd the Compi●er of the late absurd Pamphlet intituled Prynne against Prynne as many guts in his Braines as he hath in his Belly or as much Honesty Sincerity in his Head Heart as he hath disloyalty insincerity in both he could ●ot have been so irrationall or dishonest as to have published such a peece of Folly and Non-sence as this instead of answering the Memento which though a Right worshipfull Colonell and a Member too yet he dares not encounter his braines being all sunke into his guts his Pen as blunt as his sword that never yet slew nor wounded one Cavalier though he hath gained and received some thousand of pounds for his Grand Services in these late Warres When this Great Champion dare op●nly appeare in the field against any thing I have written with his name thereto affixed of which it seemes he is ashamed I dare assure him William Prynne the Barrester or William Prynne the Member will hand to hand encounter W. P. the Colonel or W. P. the Burgesse of W. though a Gyant in bulke but a Pigmy in most things else But to come briefly to the matter It is very true which he relates pag. 1. That William Prynne Esquire a Member of the House of Commons did in his Briefe Memento endeavour to diswade the rest of the Members sitting in Parliament from acting or proceeding against the King And had they been so provident wise and loyall as to have given an eare to his seasonable timely advise they had never plunged themselves the Kingdome into such difficulties and confusions as now they have done by their unjust and illegall tryall and condemnation of the King to have His head severed from his shoulders by a New erected high Court of Iustice without authority law justice or any legall or judiciall proceedings for which they found no warrant nor president in William Prynne the Barrester his Soverain Power of Parliaments Kingdomes but many arguments against and dehortations from it First The very Title of his Booke had the purblinde Pamphleter perused it might have deterred him and his fellow-members from such a ●esuiticall and popish proceeding to the eternall infamy and scandall of our Religion it is this The treachery and disloyalty of Papists to their Soveraignes in Doctrine and Practise together with the first part of the Soveraigne power of Parliaments and Kingdomes Wherein the Traiterous Antimonarchicall Doctrines practises and attempts of Papists upon the Persons Crowns Prerogatives of their Soveraignes with the dangerous designes affests and consequences of their present illegal arming and accesse to the Kings person by meanes of evil Councellors are briefly discovered The Iurisdiction Power priviledges claimed exercised by our popish Parliaments Prelates Lords and Commons in former ages exactly paralleld with those now claimed by the Lords and Com●mons in this present Parliament which are manifested to be far more loyall dutifull moderate more consistant with lesse invasive 〈◊〉 and destructive to the pretended Soveraigne power and Prerogative of the King then those in former ages And the High Court of Parliament proved by pregnant Reasons and Authorities to be the mos● soveraigne power of all other in this Kingdome c. By William Prynne Utter-Barrester of Lincolnes Inne with this License of the Commons House affixed to it It is this second day of May 1643. Ordered by the Committee of the House of Commons in Parliament for printing that this Booke intituled the Treachery and disloyal●y of papists to their Soveraigns c. be printed by Michael Sparke Seino● Iohn White Whence the Argument stands thus Master Prynne the Barrester though he mainteined the High Court of Parliament to be the most Soveraigne Power of all others in
Pamphletter relates his words and the Titles of all his 4. Parts manifest consisting of Lords and Commons and that in a condition of freedom and safety sitting in a full and free Parliament But he never meant nor intended it of the House of Commons alone acting and voting without and against the House of Lords nor of a House of Commons sitting acting under a horrid Arme● force as now much lesse of a remnant of a Commons-House sitting and Voting when near nine parts or ten of their fellow-members are by a mutinous Army imprisoned secluded and driven away from the House or of 40. or 50 Commons sitting under a force and usurping to themselves without and against the consent of their secluded Fellow Members the supreame Authority of the Kingdom making Acts of Parliament and erecting a New High Court of Justice without the Lords or their Fellow Nembers consents to indite arraigne condemne and execute the King as a Traytor and without the whole Kingdomes or Scotlands and Irelands joynt consents of which he is likewise King Such a Parliament as this consisting of some 50. or 60 Commons only without King Lords or the rest of their Fellow Commoners he never heard nor read of in any age and so could never intend it and therefore in his Memento might very well mind them of committing Treason within this Law whatever they Vote order or ordain or Enact in such a thin House under a force whiles the other Members are secluded being by Mr. Speakers owne Declaration of July 30. 1647. and the Ordinance of both Houses August 20. 1647. declared to be meerly null and void to all intents even at the time of its Voting Ordering Ordaining enacting ever after and so no prea at all 〈◊〉 justifie such Members in the case they be indicted a●d arraigned of High Treason for it 3 Whereas this Pamphletter p. 11 suggesteth That Wil● Prynne the Member in the rehearsal of the Statute of 25. E. 3. hath foulely miscarried and falsified the words of it in his Mement● For where as the Statute mentions nothing at all touching deposing the King he urgeth the Statute thus That it is no lesse then High Treason for any man by overt act to compass or imagin the deposition or death of the King Adding the word deposition which is no where found in the whole Statute To this Mr. Prynne the Member answers 1. That this Ignoramus hath foulely mis-recited and falsifyed his words by omitting part of them which are these First I shall minde them that by the Common Law of the Realme which he omits the Statute of 25. E. 3. and all other Acts concerning Treasons omitted likewise by this Scribler it is no lesse than High-Treason for any man by overt Act to compasse or imagine the deposition or death of the King quoting Cook and Stamford in the margin and 21. R 2. Plac. Cor. num 4. 6. 7. in the Text. Now though the word deposing be not in the Statute of 25. E. 3. yet it is in the Lawbooks which he cites and in the Parliament Roll of 21. R. 2. which this Dulman never read Therefore this absurd observation and censure of his might well have been spared Secondly To compasse the deposing or imprisoning of the King is in expresse Words declared to be Treason by the Statutes of 26 H. 8. c. 13. 1. E. 6. c. 12. 1. Eliz c. 6. 13. E. c. 1. and is no lesse then High Treason within the meaning and intention of 25 E 3 c. 2. though not within the Letter as our * Cook 3. instit ch ● p. 5. 6. 12 13. and 7. Rep. 10 11 Law-books and all the Judges of England have resolved Therefore Mr. Prynne the Member stands rectus in Curia against this ignorant false aspersion 4ly What Mr. Prynne the Barrester writ concerning the Oath of Supremacy quoted p. 11 12 he doth still averre as to the first branch of it which is distinct from the latter as applyed to the whole Parliament not to the House of Commons alone or those few Members now sitting in it under a force of which he never intended that passage to whom it is here misapplyed Only he must inform this Gentleman that the latter clause of this Oath And do promise that from henceforth I shall bear true allegiance to the Kings Highne his heirs and lawful successors and to my power shall assist and defend all Iurisdictions Priviledges and Preheminences granted or belonging to the Kings Highnesse his Heirs and Successors on united and anexed to the Imperiall Crowne of this Realme So help me God c. Is a distinct clause from the former which hee and his Confederates in their late proceedings have quite forgotten and shall one day answer for such wilfull perjury in this or the world to come if they repent not of it 5thly Whereas he addes p. 13. That the Oath of Allegiance relates only to the Popes unlawfull exercise of Authority and Iurisdiction within the Kingdome And that William Prynne the Member in his rehearsall makes the Oath to run thus That the Pope neither of himselfe nor by any Authority of the Church of Rome or by any other means nor any other hath power c. and so instead of the words with any other implying the Authority of the Pope joyned with others he makes it a distinct clause nor any other and so upon this forgery including the Parliament within those words nor any other he would make this proceeding against the King to be contrary to the Oath of Allegiance Mr. Prynn● the Member answers First that though this Oath doth principally relate to the Popes unlawfull exercise of Authority and Jurisdiction within this Realme yet it relates not only and solely to it as he pretends The whole scope of this Oath is To secure our Kings from being deposed or murdered by their Subjects or any other The greatest danger the Parliament then feared as to those two Treasons and Mischiefs was principally from the Pope and his Popish Instruments who maintained and averred the lawfullnesse of deposing and murthering Christian Princes excommunicated or deprived by the Pope by their Subjects or any other Against which mischife this Oath and Statute principally provides it being contrary to the Doctrine and Practise of all Protestant Churches and Subjects But can any man argue This Oath provides against the deposing and murthering of our Kings by the Pope or Popish Subjects or Parliaments by any influence or authority from the Pope Ergo it is lawfull for Protestant Subjects and Parliaments to depose and murther their Kings without infringing this Oath Doth not that Law and Oath which provides against the greatest and most likelyest Assassinates and Deposers of our Kings provide likwise against the lesser and more unusuall and is not a Protestants deposing and murthering of his Prince as treasonable as unlawfull as a Papists yea and farre worse in this respect because it hardens and justifies them therin scandalizeth