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A92028	Judiciall astrologie, judicially condemned. Upon a survey and examination of Sr. Christopher Heydons apology for it, in answer to Mr. Chambers. And of Will. Ramsey's morologie in his pretended reply (called Lux veritatis) to Doctour Nathanael Homes his Demonologie. Together with the testimonies of Mr. W. Perkins Resolution to the countrey-man; Mr. John Miltons Figure-caster; and Dr. Homes his demonologie, all here exhibited against it, seconded and backed by 1. evident Scripture. 2. Apparent reason. 3. Authority of councils. 4. Justice of laws. 5. Arguments of fathers, school-men, and modern learned men. 6. Concessions of Ptolomy, &c. friends of astrology. 7. And the wicked practises of astrologers themselves.	Rowland, William.	1651 (1651)	Wing R2074; Thomason E1239_1; ESTC R210446	216,516	320

evidence that Austin is totally and universally against Judicial Astrology over all his works That Galen and Hippocrates onely spake a little to Astronomy And that Ptolomy in his Astr Praedict lib. 1. doth grant that many ways Judicial Astrology is uncertain For William's thousands more of his fellow Impostours they are Anonymi and so cannot have the honour to be called by their names if it were true there were such and so many But I have found Will. so often tardy with untruths that he is not to be believed in any thing of this nature upon his own word Williams other bouncing utruth if by undertaking he means performing is this That William will undertake to speak as much nay and with more proof against any Art or Science the Doctour can devise to nominate though never so true then all his learned men in his Character of the present times against Astrology For I suppose that was the sense he intended or else 't is non-sense For I confess the man hath left it in print if the Printer did not wrong him with a semi-circle I mean half a Parenthesis and he forgot and then flies I know not whether as if just then in speaking that loud and lewd untruth he had lost his wits in a passion or had been confounded in his intellectuals by the just judgement of God Turn back Reader and reade him at ** and see whether I wrong him And if that be the sense he intended then he carries a most false tongue and an impudent forehead in his Astrological head For he may sooner eat his fingers then with good proof speak against Geometry Arithmetick and divers other Sciences of the Mathematicks whose demonstrations are infallible as the Maxim is and apparantly to sense And for the rest of Liberal Sciences their Principles are unmovable and their bodies unquestionable whether they be Arts and Sciences But Williams Astrology is questioned in the very Fundamentals of what is essentially proper to it as the Astrologers lay claim viz. in the Theorems and Canons of predicting and Prognostications Yea the very System may justly be questioned as the Doctour hath hinted whether there be any such thing as Judicial Astrology or any Astrology as distinct from other Sciences For clearly Natural Astrology if we may indulge that name is according to severall matters and their considerations parts of other Sciences unto which it is to be referred for its being W. R. his CHAP. III. Wherein the Doctours divine proofs against Astrology are examined and confuted BUt before I begin I shall desire the Reader to have a special care to remember what Astrology is which is now in controversie and either to be confuted and condemned or defended and cleared the definition whereof you have at the beginning of the first Chapter for otherwise our pains and arguments are but frivolous on either side wherefore I commend M. Homes in that he did not first set down the state of his question before he began to consute it but thinking pleno ore to condemn Astrology will be enough to scare the Reader from the study thereof leaving him to consider what it is he condemns although he be altogether ignorant of the same and so his words may have the more force and take the deeper impression in the Readers heart to believe what he would fain and as much as in himlies studies to mainrain SURVEY Before we hear Will. Ram. any further something must be said to this general of his third Chapter in two particulars 1. To joyn issue with William to intreat the Reader to remember what Astrology is now in controversie viz. That same Judicial Astrology whereby men undertake to foretell humane events For as Ptolomy whence Will. Ram. definition is pretended to be collected confesseth ibidem Multi quaestus causâ alias divinationes venditant nomine dignitate hujus Artis ac vulgo imponunt multa praedicentes quae non significantur naturalibus causis i.e. Many Astrologers foretell many things which are not signified by natural causes selling their predictions under the name of Astrological for money making the common peoto believe them And Will. Ram. in this his Christian Judicial Astrology professeth by the help of Astrology to foretell whether a man may be rich Cap. 1. Sect. 6. Whether a Woman that came to him should have her money due to her from the Parliament the Gentleman have his from his uncle and where the womans Husband was that came to Will. Ram. to inquire of him Cap. 4. Sect. 3. And so others of them predict in their Books of Prognostications and practise in their Chambers of the like humane events 2. To joyn with Will. Ram. in commending D. Homes in that he spake against Astrology in general under that name for that the Scripture so doth without any distinction and Art doth justifie it that there is no Judicial Asirology no distinct Art of Natural Astrology W. R. his SECT I. Wherein the Drs first Scripture proof viz. Deut. 18.10 is convinced and cleared no wise to condemn ASTROLOGIE COncerning his first proof Deut. 18.10 I have formerly in my Reply to Raunces Declaration against Astrology said said something and referred the Reader to the learned Sir Christopher Heydon to be further satisfied in the rest of his divine proofs in his answer to M. Chamber and that so learned a piece may not be kept from the knowledge of the vulgar under the cloud of silence I will here along in the confutation of M. Homes his divine proofs use his very arguments and word as near as I can against the same places alleadged by M. Chamber His first proof then is Deut. 18.10 There shall not be found among you any one that useth Divination or an observer of times which words saith he by the common consent of the learned of all sorts Signifie Astrology and Astrologers and for the which sins the Nations were driven out before the Children of Israel Now that you shall see how far M. Homes is mistaken to think hereby to perswade the world against Astrology I will give you that learned Gentlemans words against M. Chamber hereon where he saith Picus urgeth that Achinas understandeth the word in the Original to fignifie such as observe lucky and unlucky houres which our English translate A regarder of times and Tremelius Planetarius and and from hence they think they have pregnant evidence to condemn Astrology by this Law I may reckon up here also M. Homes his Mercer R. Kimchy and Schindler who saith he take the words in the worst sense viz. The curious and Diabolical Arts as Magi of the Egyptians Ergo saith M. Homes Astrology is not lawfull But to proceed with Sir Christopher Heydon's discourse hereon saith he But notwithstanding all this I will make it appear that these Translations are of small force and being admitted little or nothing impeach this Art And first A I incounter them with the authority of Church even from the

time of Moses untill they wrote being wholly against them For to begin with the Septuagint They have translated the word Gnomen in this place 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifieth Augurare or to divine by the voice and flying of Birds S. Hierome and the vulgar expounded it of such as divine by observation by Dreams Pagnine in his Translation interpreteth it Hariolus by a general name or such a one as divineth at the Altar by Sacrifices Arias Montanus useth the word Praestigiator that is a Jugler or Cofiner that with Legerdemain deceiveth the eye-sight See that that is also confessed by M. Homes himself So that besides all antiquity and consent of the whole Church against him we see that divers men have diverfly interpreted this word and therefore I leave it to the judgement of the Reader whether we are to give credit to the new Expositours rather then to the ancient and learned Hebrews themselves who best understood their own Language or to the common understanding of the Fathers and the Church even from the first untill these men which hath been long since expounded it otherwise then all that had gone before them And now to come to the English Translation as we have it expressed in our English Bibles see with what reason and sound arguments M. Homes is silenced who is not onely thus mistaken in the signification of the word but most slanderously intrudeth Astrologers with or at least makes them the same with Wizards and those that have samiliar spirits For saith he so that indeed as 't is in Lev. 20.6 to follow such kinde of Arts speaking before of Divination by observation of times and juggling which he all along concludes to be Astrology as his Interpreters there have it Is to go a whoring spiritually from Christ and God will saith he set his face against such and cut off such from among his people weighty reasons against Astrology saith he The same Sir Christopher Heydon saith B Concerning our English Translatours I finde they rather leave us in doubts then resolved for whereas here they take the word Gnomen for a regarder of times in other places they interpret it otherwayes as in 2 Chron. cap. 33. vers 6. for Witchcraft and in the 5. of Micah For South-sayers So that in this inconstancy to themslves they must either give better reason then any thing I know they are able why in this place of Deut. it should not be intepeted as well a Witch or a Southsayer as a Regarder of times or else such a regarder of times as makes his election by Witchcraft and Southsaying and not by Astrology Again suppose the word be admitted C as the English translate it yet neither is all regarding of time prohibited neither doth it prove that regarding of time by Astrology is unlawfull For Solomon the wisest of men saith That the heart of the wise man knows time and that to every purpose there is a time as to plant to pluck up to slay to heal to break down to build to weep to laugh c. which none but the fool neglecteth As in Ecclesiastes farther in the third Chapter and more at large and he that observeth not time but shall laugh when he should weep and sow when he should reap is unseasonable and maketh himself ridiculous Wherefore if this be the true interpretation or signification of the word he must speak against that superstitious observation of times which the Heathen used and that superstitious people at present do use the very same I may say to M. Homes But in answer to M. Homes his Expositours take the interpretation of the word Gnonan as the same Sir Christopher Heydon delivers it by M. Edward Lively Professour of the Hebrew in Cambridge to Queen Elizabeth who was solicited by Sir Christopher Heydon to deliver his opinion and judgement of the Hebrew word because it was objected by M. Chamber that Tremelius did interpret it Planetarius wherefore for the Readers better satisfaction I have here delivered it verbatim as that worthy Knight hath it I have looked in all the Hebrew Scripture wherein that word is used examining as well the judgements of the Hebrew Scoliastes in their Commentaries as also many of the best Translations Caldee Greek and Latine among whom for the signification of that word I finde this general agreement that it signifieth an unlawfull and forbidden Art of South-saying or Juggling or Sorcery or Witchcraft but touching the certain and special kinde thereof there is such dissention and disagteement among them as that there is great diversity of opinions but none cometh to Tremelius his minde for a planetary or of M. Homes his Arabrick versions which it seems he is loath or at least ashamed to nominate W. R. his SECT II. Wherein the Drs second proof is refelled viz. Esay 2.6 ANd if so then I may with more confidence affirm his second passage of Scripture to the less material in all respects for the blindest of people may clearly see it doth no whit so much as either hint or mean Astrology Esay 2.6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob because they are replenished from the East and are Sooth-sayeers like the Philistims where is Astrology in all this The Text tells us God had forsaken his people because they were South-sayers but as for their being Astrologers I see nothing mentioned But let us see but how he tugs to bring this farr fetcht argument or proof to serve his turn he shews us first that the word clearly signifieth South sayers which is enough alone to refell all the arguments therein let them say what they will to the contrary Vatablus in his Notes saith he rendreth it Diviners and Junius Praestigiatores that is saith he that make shew of that they cannot do you have heard Junius opinion but now but what of this Vacablus saith the word imports Diviners must this consequently and infallibly be Astrologers why not Necromancers Auguries Inchanters Sorcerers Auruspicers Do not all these divine but I need not insist longer hereon for he answers this point in his following words himself The Septuagint saith he rendreth it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith Budeus saith he A kinde of fore-telling as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith they signifieth Divination and generally the Caldee Syriack Arabick Arias Montanus c. renders it Augurers or Auguries Ergo not Astrologers but saith he farther because antiquities tell us that that the Augurers did divine as well by the Aspects of the Heavens as by flying Birds Authours of late times commonly use that word to express Divination in general O brave reason because for brevities sake in Oration or the like Authours as he calleth them perhaps use this word therefore he will use it being as he confesseth himself general to condemn particularly Astrology and because the Text speaketh against Augurers and they know the Aspects of the Planets therefore it also condemneth Astrology All that believe