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A43272 The lambs innocency defended, against lyes and slanders In answer to a second reply of a priest, who is called a minister at Lazonby in Cumberland called Simon Atkinson, who hath shewed his wolfish nature against those people called Quakers; ranking them up with the papists; falsly accusing them of those things which they utterly detest; but his weapons is turned against himselfe by one of the campe of the God of Israel, whose eye is opened in measure, ... working in the shadow of reformation translated into a fairer forme springing from the old corrupt root; and to see the bickerings of the night-armie running on heaps now in the dawning of the day; and the uncircumcised in Heart and Ears in flying from the light, and repoose of the same: and from the alarum of the spirits trumpet which is founded vvithin, for the cutting downe of the man of sin, and for the quenching of his motions. Written in defence of the truth as it is in Jesus, by a foole to the wisdom of this world, who, according to measure, hath tasted and obtained of the wisdome Helling, Joseph. 1658 (1658) Wing H1382; ESTC R216631 44,515 52

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and teachers so 〈◊〉 art found ●onle in that wherein thou seared me and now thou must take the papists for thy and your brethren and hearers and let them b●ate your testimony for they pay you Tythes or wages and you injoy their sh●pps marke that Pr. 9. Ac. The ●arsts know that the great thing that must be done before they can ●●duce amongst us is to make them reject their teachers and there fore they bond all their wits and endeavours to vi●●fie them and drow the hearts of the people from them end so do the Quakers Ans What the papists your owners doth it is nothing to us we deny them and your pastets and teachers who is thus found in discord First thou saith they call you no true Ministers but deceivers Secondly thou saith they own you for their pastors and teachers And now thou saith they strave to vis●●fie you and draw people form you Oh bottomles pit consasion no wonder if they mist or vapour darken the ayre and obscure the Sn but that we bend our wits and endeavours to debase you or villisie you contrary to truth and righteousnes I say that false for we lye in the will of God who is gathering people from all dumbe shepherds himselfe that they may be no more meat for them Eze. 34.10 so we rest in his counsell and in his promise ●zo 34.11.10.17 Iohn 10.16 so we rest in his counsell who treads the winepress● alone Isay 63.3.4.5.6 by whose power the refuge of lyars is violated and he hath a controversie with you all and is risen in righteous judgement to render a reward to the proud Psal 94.2 Pr. 10. Ac. The Papists main error consists in the contempt of the Soriptures they say they will not take it for the Word of God but on the authority of the Church and that it is but part of his Word and that Decrees and Constitutions of Popes and Counsels are of equall authority with it the Quakers say it s not the Word of God but onely a Declaration of the Word that was in them that gave it forth and that what thems●lves speak or write is from the same spirit therfore equal with it A. Here we deny both you and the papists who holds the Scripture to be the Word either in part or in whole and also we do deny both the Popes Decrees Constitutions Counsels and your divinations and practises to be equal with or agreeable either to the Scripture as it is or to the spirit that gave them forth and you that say they are the Word and they that say they are in part the Word of God I say unto you you are both Idolaters for the Scripture which you call the Word saith God was the Word John 1.1 and that Word became Flesh John 1.14 so you Priests is forming a whole idoll and the Papists but part of an idoll so you are found filling up the measure of your fathers greater idolaters then the pa●if●s And whereas thou saith the Quakers say it s but onely a Declaration I say the Evangelist saith also so Luke 1.1 and God is the Word who also is a spirit which did inspire his mind and will into his servants which they recorded for a restimony unto future ages which testimony is perverted wrested idolized and made a trade upon by the Parish-masters of England and else-where who is owned of the Papists for Pastors and Teachers according to S. A. his own consession but as touching the Word of God I have spoken largely to it in the 15 pag. so I say he that speaketh and writeth truth in sincerity speaketh and ●riteth from the spirit of truth viz. the spirit of God and so from the same spirit that gave forth the Scriptures and so as it is truth equall with the Scriptures of truth according to its measure Pr. 11. Ac. The Papists say it is but a dead letter so do the Quakers A. Thou said before that the papists owned you to be their pastors and teachers so you popish pastors and teachers we deny your testimony if you say that inke and paper in it selfe is living but we own it that it was the inspired words and will of God freely revealed and freely recorded by them to whom it was inspired by the moveings of the holy Ghost and so written freely for our learning but not to make a trade of as the Papists Bishops and Iesuites did of old after five or six or seven years learning as Prentises at some University and as the Parish masters doe now who after 5.6 or 7. years Prentises at some University or great Schoole gets a place or Parish in the Country and so much in the year and teaches there it may be all his life-time and will tell people that three parts of the world hath never heard of Christ and yet he abides in his Parish and once in seven dayes stands up in his shop where he is accompani●d by some may be 40.50 or 60. years with some and more or lesse with most part and still they are like the crackling of Thornes under a pot unbridled unstable not so much of Christs Doctrine lived in and obeyed as yea nay in their communication or not to sweare at all so you Priests are found hatched in the Popes Nest but deeper in the mistery of witchcraft by sayrer painted profession Pr. 12. Ac. The Papists say it is not fit to be judge of controversies the Quakers say the touchstone of tryall is not the word without but the light within Ans I say I deny the Papists herein for the Scriptures is fit to judge of some controversies if it be held in the righteous part but I doe not say neither with the Papists that it is not fit nor with you popish pastors and teachers that it is the tryar of spirits so here I deny both the Papists and you And whereas thou salst We say the touchstone is not the Word without but the light within I say that God it light John 1.5 who fils Heaven and Earth with his presence let 23.24 and this is the word which we own which is like a sire and a hammar before whose eyes all things are naked and open Heb. 4.12.13 who is a discerner of the thoughts and searches the heart and tryes the reignes of people this is our touchstone the Word nigh in our mouthes and hearts Rom. 10 8. the ingrofied Word I am 1.21 and this is the light which shineth in our hearts which giveth us the knowledge of the glory of God 2 Cor. 4 6. and reproves and makes manifest all things Eph. 5.13 and thou that contemns the light within comtemns that which gave the Apostles knowledge 2 Cor. 4 6 for Christ was given for a light see the promise Isay 49.6 and also his own testimony Ioh. 8.12 12.46 and it was not a Christ without the Gentiles which was the hope of glory but Christ in them Col. 1.27 and this Christ is the
light and seed which bruiseth the head of the serpent within take notice of that and unto him all power is given and he hath said Got not forth Mat 14.16 Pr. 13. Ac. The Papists prefer the vulgar translations before the saws words that the spirit did indite the Scriptures ●●s namely Hebrew and Greek and so doe the Quakers the English before these Ans We own all Tongues in their places but that the Scripture was given forth or indited by the spirit in Hebrew and Greek onely is false or there was at ler isalem of every Nation under Heaven and every man heard them speak in his own Language Act. 2.3.9 but I say that you or any other by the litterall Knowledge of these Tongues can open the Scriptures that we deny for as there is no respect of persons with God so there is no respect of Languages with him nor Tongues but in every nation he that fea●eth God and worketh righteousnes is accepted Acts 10 34 35 so seace your witchcraft from dawbing over the saints words with your Lod●ck who epride is in your songues your Tongues is waters the seat of the Whore Rev. 17 15. and because you would be counted wise and learned therefore you mingle your Tongues so your marchandize passes or currant amongst the blind yea I may say wilfully blind who if they will may see your ravenous inside out of which is powered envie railing lyes and slanders covetousne● and persecution at all that reads in this ●nd marks your reproa●hes may see And now I deny both the Papists and you who is both nursed up at Universi●ies so cal●ed and learned in your Tongues as Pilate was Iohn 10.19 o● let Peter and John be witnes against you who was not learned and yet gave forth the Scripture so our native Tongue we own as ch●ese to us because it is the fist of God wereby we understand one another and we own all other in their places but we deny them that takes pride in any Tongue or mixes their dirty Logick with the Scripture for money P● 14. Ac. If the Papists could but get down the regulusing authority of the Scriptures they would conclude they had won the field for they will not abide that all spirits be t●yed by the written word nor will the Quakers A. The Papists we deny and their indeavor herein and the Scriptures we own and their regall authority which is the power of God but all such as creep into houses to make a trade of the Scriptures abuseth the Scriptures authority and here ye Parish made ●s and Jesuite successors who coms from their Colleges into their Masse-houses are found in deavouring to tread the Regal or Kingly Authority of the Scripture under your seet so from that authority you are gone to the image of Queen Ma●●es Law by which the Jesuits was and you Priests is garded and by the same Law some of you have imprisoned to death as witnes Exeter Colchester Lancester Yorke and Durham Goales so the authority of the Scriptures viz. the power of God is denied by you which is sled to the power of nationall Laws and Magistrates to hold you by putting the letter for the word and tryall of spirits you your selves being ministers of the letter and yet whith the letter cannot see your selves in Cains Corahs and Bala●ms spirit and practises for which amongst the rest of your forceries the curse will overtake you exe●pt you repent And thou that would have the Scripture to be the tryar of spirits thou presumes to take the ballances out of the hand of God the Lord weigh●th the spirits Pro 16 2. and the spirit search●th all things 1 Cor. 2.10 and whatsoever maketh manifest is light Eph. 5.13 so that which searcheth weigheth and maketh manifest is the Lord his spirit and h● light and these three are one from whom we have ●ecei●ed the unction or ano●nting which teacheth of all thing 1 Iohn 2.27 they that t●yed the pirits was such as John exhorted to the anoyn●ing for teaching from the teachings of man saith he Yere●d not that any m●n te●●h you c 1 John 2 27 and they that were of God h●ard them that ex●or●ed to the anoynting from the teachings of men of corrupt minds and this I testifie that they are guided by the spirit of A●● Christ who doth not own Christ the light come into th●i● flesh to destroy the works of the Devill and to give thee knowle●●e of God and of Adoption and the hope of Glory and to give ●●e knowledge of condemnation and righteousnes and of ea●● 〈◊〉 stration and how they are passed through And whereas h●● art telling of a●titeen word ●o be the ●rya● I say the Scripture we 〈◊〉 the addition ●●e deny and shall have it upon thee to prove for ●●ver and gold is pure in its nature but it may be mou●●en into a Calfe so ●●o the Scriptures is pure and true as they are but they may be and is ab●sed by the builders of Babell now in the mis●ery of their work●ng but the Lo●d will no longer be mocked by such cunn●ng Carpenters but is risen and hath taken a view of all shadows by his light which is as the eye-lids of the Morning by which all buildings is made manifest to be upon the sand though the builders of all sorts have pretended to hew their stones from one Rock yet the Lord hath a controversie with you and by his power which is the authority of the Scriptures is the shaking all buildings at their very roots Pr. Now many more particulars could I instance were it necessary and not over tedious to prove your selves to be the Babylonesh Factors that have received the marke of the Beast in your hand though not in your fore-heads so fully yet as to discover you to all yet to us you are discovered plainely A These particulars which thou hast already instanced is sufficient for us to see thy blindnes for if thine eye had been open when thou searched my p●c●e as thou said thou would thou would have bin ashamed to have thus falsly accused us with thy confusion which accusations is justly reforted to the puddle from whence they sprang for even the same spirit that called Christ mad and said he had a Devill the same spirit that called Paul a pestelont fellow and a mover of Sedition I say the same spirit in thee S. A. hath indeavoured to joyn us with the Papists thine own predecessors as is proved therefore the Romish Factors or Merchants you are found as well as Babylonish having received the mark of the Beast in your Fore-heads rushing forward in lyes and slanders as a horse into the battell so beast like pushing and wrastling with flesh and blood viz. with the persons of men plunging them into holes and dungeons even as strong beasts drives the weak so here you are found exereising the power of the first Beast persecuting the free ministration of the spirit the anoynter