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A41439 A full survey of Sion and Babylon, and a clear vindication of the parish-churches and parochial-ministers of England ..., or, A Scripture disproof, and syllogistical conviction of M. Charles Nichols, of Kent ... delivered in three Sabbath-dayes sermons in the parish church of Deal in Kent, after a publick dispute in the same church with the said Mr. Charles Nichols, upon the 20. day of October 1653 / by Thomas Gage ... Gage, Thomas, 1603?-1656. 1654 (1654) Wing G111; ESTC R5895 105,515 104

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power of the Keyes is fallacia non causae pro causa But if what hath been spoken will not convince Mr. Nichols that the people or Fraternity having no true power to Ordain he is no true and lawfull Minister Let him answer these Arguments from Reason Scripture and the best Divines that have written upon this p●int 1. Argument Whosoever are the first subject or immediate Receptacle of the power of the Keyes from Christ they have Divine Warrant actually to exercise and put in execution the said power as if a man be the first and immediate subject and Receptacle of Risibility or power of laughing he hath a faculty in him to exercise and put in execution his Risibility and so actually to laugh But the Multitude or Community of the Faithfull have no Divine Warrant actually to exercise and put in execution the power of the Keyes Ergo The Community of the faithfull are not the first subject or immediate Receptacle of the power of the Keyes from Iesus Christ. The Major Proposition must of necessity be yielded because first power of the Keyes contains both Authority and exercise power being given to that end that it may be exercised for the benefit of the Church It is called the power given us for edification 2 Cor. 10. vers 8. Where there is no exercise of power there can be no edification by power S●condly because both the Authority and compleat exercise ●f all that Authority were at once and together communicated from Christ to the Receptacle of the power I give unto thee the Keyes of the Kingdom of Heaven and whatsoever thou shalt binde on earth c. There goes together the giving of power and binding and loosing the exercise of that power Math. 16. vers 19. As my Father sent me so send I you Whose soever sins ye remit they are remitted John 20. vers 21 23. You see here both power and exercise joyned together in the same Commission Yea so individual and so inseparable are power and exercise that under exercise power and Authority is set forth Go Disciple you all Nations bap●izing th●m Math. 28. vers 18 19. Thirdly because it would be vain idle and impertinent to fancie and dream of such a power as should never be drawn into act by them that have it frustra est poten●ia quae non reducitur ad actum Thus the Major being cleared Let us now examine well the Minor by induction of particulars from whence we shall see it●is evident that the Community cannot exercise the power of the Keyes by any Divine Warrant First They may not preach for how shall they preach except they be sent Rom. 10. v●rs 15. But the Community cannot be sent many of them being uncapable of the Office either by occasion of their Sex 1 Cor. 14 vers 34 35. 1 Tim. 2. vers 11 12. or by reason of their age as Children and all or most of them by reason of their deficiency in gifts and in Scripture qualifications Titus 1. vers 9. and 1 Tim. 3. vers 10. For not one Member of a thousand are so compleatly furnished as to be apt to teach able to convince Gain sayers and to divide the word of truth aright Besides They may not send themselves were they capable for no man takes th●s honour to himself yea Jesus Christ himself did not glorifie himself to be made an High Priest Hebr. 5. vers 4 5. Now onely Officers are sent to preach Math. 16 19. and 28 19 20 vers 2. Secondly The Community may not administer the Seals the S●craments under the new Testament for who gave the people any such Authority Hath not Christ conjoyned preaching and dispensing of the Sacraments in the same Commission that the same Persons onely that do the one may do the other Math. 28. vers 18 19. 3. Thirdly They may not ordain Officers in the Church and Authoritatively send them abroad for ordinarily the Community have not sufficient qualifications and abilities for proving and examining of mens gifts for the Ministery They are no where commanded or allowed so to do in the whole new Testament but other persons distinct from them 1 Tim. 5. vers 22. 2 Tim. 2. vers 2. and Titus 1. vers 5. 4. The Community without Officers may not exercise any Office of Jurisdiction Authoritatively and properly they may not excommunicate or absolve for we have no precept that they should do it we have no example in all the New Testament that they ever did do it We have both precept and example that select Officers both did and ought to do it Whatsoever you binde o● earth saith Christ to his Officers shall be bound in Heaven Math. 18. vers 18. Whosoever ye remit c. Iohn 20. vers 21 23. I have decreed to deliver such an one to Satan saith Paul an Officer 1 Cor. 5. vers 4. The rebuke inflicted by many not by all 2 Cor. 2. vers 6. whom I have delivered to Satan 1 Tim. 1. vlt. vers 5. And lastly Because the Scriptures no where set the Community over themselves to be their own Church guides and Governours but appoint over them in the Lord Rulers and Officers distinct from the Community Compare these places 1 Tim. 5. vers 12. Act. 20. vers 28.29 Hebr. 13. vers 7 17 22. Salute all them that have the rule over you and all the Saints From all these premises I conclude Ergo The Community of the faithfull are not the first subject or immediate Receptacle of the power of the Keyes from Iesus Christ. And against the Communities power for Church Government I frame my second Argument thus 2. Argument whomsoever Christ makes the first subject of the power of Church Government to them he promiseth and give●h a spirit of Ministry and gifts necessary for that Government But Christ neither promiseth nor giveth a spirit of Ministery nor necessary gifts for Church Government to the Community of the faithfull Ergo Christ makes not the Community of the faithfull the first subject of the power of Church Government The Major is clearly proved For first As there are diversity of Ecclesiastical Administrations which is the foundation of diversity of Officers and diversity of miraculous operations and both for the profit of the Church So there are conveyed from the Spirit of Christ diversi●y of gifts free endowments enabling and qualifying for the actual discharge of those Administrations and operations as you may see 1 Cor. 12. vers 4 5 6. seq Secondly what instance can be given in the whole New Testament of any persons whom Christ made the Receptacle of Church Government but withall he gifted them and made his promises to them to inable them to such Government As the Apostles and their successours As my Father sent me even so send I you And when he had said this he breathed on them and sai●h unto them Receive ye the Holy Ghost Whos 's soever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them and whose soever sins
for the satisfaction he had of him that he was a fit man to take care of their state and in the mean time he sends unto them Epaphroditus vers 25. and exhorteth them to receive him in the Lord with all gladness and hold such in reputation vers 29. and this without the peoples Election judging their after-approbation to be sufficient Even so for our peoples Election of a Minister if it be not before the Minister comes to a place and he be sent by a Patron yet sometimes the peoples acceptance and approbation afterwards may supply the want of Election at the first as Iacobs after-consent and acceptance of Leah made her to be his wife though he chose her not at the first Now fourthly For the final cause requisite for the compleating a true Minister of Christ it appeareth in many of us by our profit in converting many Souls Yea those that have separated from us must confess that they also were at the first awakened by us We have then Gods ordinary and dayly assistance in our Ministery for the perfecting of the Saints for the edifying of the body of Christ Ephes. 4. vers 12. which is the end of the Ministery and not Babylonish or Antichristian This is clearly seen and proved for Gods assistance appeareth in his effectual working mens conversion by the work of the Ministery for conversion is by the word 1 Cor. 4. vers 15. Rom. 1. vers 16. through the Spirit and not by the word delivered without the Spirit and it is not in man to move the heart to grace 1 Cor. 3. vers 5.6 2 Cor. 3. vers 5. But God doth take the power of conversion to himself Deut. 30. vers 6. Act. 16. vers 14. The means indeed is the word Iames 1. vers 18. Examples hereof we have throughout the Acts of the Apostles Therefore i● men be here converted God doth aid the Ministers and is with them by the power of his Spirit in that work 2 Cor. 3. vers 3. by which the Apostle proveth to have the power of the Spirit in his Ministery by the conversion of his hearers All which considered and finding the four causes requisite to make up and compleat true Ministers to be with us I conclude that the Parish Officiating Ministers in England for the most part are men sufficiently qualified by God orderly called to the Ministery and to do that work which Christ appointed his Ministers to do and consequently that they are not Babylonish but true and lawfull Ministers of Iesus Christ. 4. Argument They that have the true properties of true Shepheards are Christs true Ministers But the Parish Officiating Ministers in England have the true properties of true Shepheards Ergo The Parish Officiating Ministers in England are Christs true Ministers and consequently are not Babylonish or Antichristian The Minor I prove thus from the 10. of Iohn for first these go in by the door vers 2. that is by Iesus Christ v. 7. by his call and the Churches as I have proved before Secondly the Porter openeth unto them vers 3. who invisibly letting men into the Church by Christ the door is Gods spirit who doth qualifie true Ministers with gifts and graces and is forcible by them to win people And visibly the Porter is the Authority committed by the Church unto some for admitting men into the house the Church of God Thirdly they lead them forth vers 3. that is from pasture to pasture from milk the grounds of Religion to strong meat Catechizing and otherwise interpreting the holy Scriptures unto them Which true properties of a Shepheard being found in the Parish Officiating Ministers here in England it appeareth that they are true Shepheards and so true Ministers of Iesus Christ and therefore neither Babylonish nor Antichristian or Popish Thus having with Arguments proved unto you that our Ministers are true Gospel Ministers for the further clearing this truth it remains that we answer to what they object against us who do separate from us which is chiefly this Object The Ordination of the Ministers who a● this time are Parish Officiating Ministers came from the Romish Synagogue they also were ordained by Bishops Ergo They are not true Ministers or thus Those Ministers which stand by a Romish Institution are no true Ministers But the Ministers of England stand by a Romish Institution Ergo They are no true Ministers but Babylonish and Antichristian 1. Answ. The Minor of this Syllogisme must be denied for we stand by no Romish Institution for Ordination is none of Romes inventions but instituted by the Lord Iesus Christ. So that the Ministers of England stand by an Institution of Christ descending to them from the Apostles through the Church of Rome must be the meaning of this Argument To which we answer that the passing through Rome nulls not the Institution of Christ. As we cast not away the Scriptures Sacraments and what ever Ordinances we have now though they have descended to us from the Apostles through Rome Which Argument runs as strong against Baptisme which though mingled with Romish inventions is not therefore nulled The vessels that were once dedicated to God by his own Institution though they were put into the house of Nebuchadnezars Gods and those that were fit very likely used to drink Wine in when he praised the Gods they were not so much as new cast again but carried to Ierusalem Ezra 1. vers 11. Yea Mr. Iohnson a great man of the separation seeing one that was a Minister in the Church of England afterwards to be chosen a Teacher to a separate Congregation without any new imposing of hands undertakes to justifie the Action thus in five Propositions 1. Imposition of hands is of God and not an invention of man It was not a Post or a Threshold first brought by Antichrist into the Temple of God but had therein before ever Antichrist sate there 2. Baptisme and Imposition of hands are joyned together among the Principles of the foundation spoken of Hebr. 6. vers 2. Therefore they ought to be regarded 3. Imposition of hands is in the Church of Rome still given to the Of●●ce of the Ministery and in the name of the Lord as they do also still administer Baptisme 4. We finde not either precept example or ground in the Scriptu●e binding to the repetition of it 5. The Priests and Levites in Israel becoming unclean when afterward they were cleansed retained still their places of being Priests and Levites and the Children of the Priests and Levites ●ucceeding after them did administer without a new anointing or new Imposition of hands Thus Mr. Iohnson and with him also Mr. Ainsworth though in their judgement both for the Separation opposed rebaptization because baptisme is an Ordinance of God which was had in the Church of Rome before the sell into Apostasie and hath been there continued ever since the Apostles times however commingled with many inventions of their own So likewise Mr. Iohnson defended
A full SURVEY OF SION and BABYLON And A clear Vindication of the Parish-Churches and Parochial-Ministers of England from the uncharitable Censure the infamous Title and the injurious Nick-name of Babylonish Or A Scripture Disproof and Syllogistical Conviction of M. Charles Nichols of Kent his Erroneous Assertions Justifying his Separated Congregation for the true House of God and branding all the Parochial Churches and the Parish Officiating Ministers in England with the infamous Title of Babylonish Delivered in three Sabbath-dayes Sermons in the Parish Church of Deal in Kent after a Publick Dispute in the same Church with the said Mr. Charles Nichols upon the 20. day of October 1653. By Thomas Gage Preacher of the Word to the Church within the Bounds and Limits of Deal in Kent 2 Tim 3. vers 9. They shall proceed no further for their folly shall be manifest to all men Gen. 49. vers 6. O my Soul Come not thou unto their secret unto their Assembly mine honour be not thou united Ex Augustino Con. Epist. Pelag. Lib. 1. Cap. 1. Cum non desinant fremere ad Dominici gregis caulas atque ad diripundas tanto pretio redemptas oves aditum undique rimari commune nobis est pestilentibus insidiantibus eorum scriptis medentia munientia scripta praetendere quibus rabies qua furunt aut etiam ipsa sanetur aut à loedendis aliis repellatur London Printed by W. Bentley and are to be sold by Ioshuah Kirton at the Kings Arms in St. Pauls Church yard 1654. To the Worshipfull his ever Honoured Friend Captain JOHN LIMBERY Esquire Iustice of the Peace for Middlesex and of the Admiralty for Oyer and Terminer SIR OF all things which the Lord hath made in this great World Man is the most noble for whose sake other Creatures were created to whose feet the things below are subjected Of all the Essentials which Man the little World doth consist of the Soul is the most excellent It is infused by God which notes out the Dignity of it It hath command of the body which notes out the Authority of it It is a work as one calleth it both great Divine and admirable Of all the powers in the Soul none is comparable to the Reason Of all the Branches in the Reasonable part none is equal to the Minde none excelleth the understanding Of all the vertues in the Minde Wisdom gives the greatest light Wisdom swayeth with chiefest might Oh the breadth that Wisdom spanneth Oh the length that Wisdom reacheth Oh the heigth that Wisdom climbeth Oh the depth that Wisdom gageth when once it comes into a Soul cleared by Gods Spirit in some good measure from those duskish Clouds of Ignorance and Errour with which before it was obscured Without this how can men discern of things that differ how can they see what is good and what is evil and so exercise the power of their reason in ensuing the one in eschewing the other When dangers are imminent and coming against us Wisdom foreseeth them forecasteth against them When troubles are incumbent and lying upon us it doth either remove them or preserve us in them In a word what Walls are to Cities what skins are to beasts scales to fishes feathers to birds and shells to some creeping and baser Creatures the same is wisdom to that naked born Creature Man even a Covering a defence Yea Wisdom saith the Preacher strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the Citie And they are truely endowed with wisdom who by the light of it do distinguish Gospel-truths from errours and keep their Souls pure and undefiled from the infection of false and time-poysoning Doctrines Wisdom truely is in them who by the light and guidance of it have found out and continue in the true Church of Christ the true Zion of God where salvation is truely placed where pardon of sin is onely obtained where Soul-feastings and Divine teachings are truely enjoyed where are protections on every dwelling place where are true Ministers cloathed with salvation where the Saints do shout aloud for joy where all afflictions are sanctified where all good news are to be heard and where God hath commanded the blessing and life for evermore And such a gift of wisdom Worthy Sir have I admired in you by which light in your far and forraign travails you have alwayes discerned good from evil Truth from Errour Religion from Superstition Zion from Rome and Babylon It is true in you that wisdom hath preserved you from many snares to folly If Riches be snares the Riches of the West-India's even those Treasures amongst the Spaniards never ensnared your conscience If honour entice who of our English Nation was ever more honoured by Spaniards in the West-India's than your self as the ●ime of your abode in Hispaniola and at the Court of Santo Domingo doth sufficiently witness If favour of Great men and Princes doth allure and often obscure the light of true wisdom who ever of our English Nation enjoyed such a favour from that Gre●t Don of Spain the Duke of Medina Sidonia as your self as also from the Duke of Nacara the Duke of Maqueda the King of Spains Chief favourite that great Conde Dugue Earle of Olivares and the Count of Castilia then President of the India's being trusted by the first to go and view the Silver and Golden Treasures of America a favour denied unto others and fully empowered by him to make choice of what Ports you pleased and there to lade your Ships with what Commodities might seem most advantagious unto your self If pleasures and vanities do tickle where do they abound more than in the India's and in that place especially where with so much honour from the best and Noblest in Santo Domingo you did sometime abide Yet in the midst of all these snares with wisdoms light you eyed Zion still you kept your self free from errours you were never defiled with Babylons superstitions Yea when troubles and evils were incumbent and lying upon you even the loss of ship and of Riches at your return into England wisdom preserved you in the midst of evils and as a true Member of Zion you found your losses and afflictions sanctified unto you Zion and Babylon Truth and Errour are the subject of these my weak indeavours which must be known by the light of wisdom With which light as you have hitherto discerned good from evil so I desire you may with the same take notice of Zion and of Zions true Ambassadours pointed out unto you in this my Treatise and eschew those Errours of Babylon and Antichristian fallacies which as Rocks and Sands under the waters are here discovered to be amongst us under a pretence of Christian and Gospel-Truths I must confess that when I called to minde that Proverb 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 know thy self I was not without some ●nwillingness drawn to a publick Dispute and afterwards to preach in publick upon this subject not being ignorant
either of mine own weakness or of the weightiness of so great a Task and with more unwillingness was I overcome to commit it to the Press from whence to be scanned by the judgements of all for Comes calami calumnia and I am sure the●e will be many Censurers of this my work that of the Apostle may be applied Vnus sic alter autem sic one judgeing after this manner another after that one speaking well another ill But as a Commanding Authority of the Spirit within me for a just defence of the Parochial Churches and Ministers of England both cried down with scandal by an opposing Adversary was the cause of the former so overruling importunity of some friends well-wishers to Zion hath effected the latter and now like an Infant new born my Book and Dispute is come naked into the World subject unto the nippings and bitings of the times It was the saying of the Spouse in the Canticles We have a little sister and she hath no breasts And I may say the like of this I have a little Bird and she wanteth wings yet fly she must into the open air and shift for her self But Alas what can she do before her wings be grown or her weak feathers come to ripeness It is impossible that she should escape and not be torn in pieces by the sharp eyed vultures the time-consuming Criticks of our time except some Eagle shall in pity to so poor a wanderer shadow her with the wings of protection Your ever known disposition Worthy Sir in giving incouragement to the Ministers of Christ in doing Justice and Right to such as suffer wrongfully hath imboldned this little Bird to shrowd herself under the roof of your Protection and favour and my self to Dedicate this small fruit of my Studies unto you whom with a most thankfull heart I must ever acknowledge my chief incourager in my work since after my Conversion from Babylon to Zion I have been a poor and unworthy labourer in the Vine-yard of Christ. And if at this time I may obtain your Love in accepting this small token of my thankfulness for those many and undeserved favours conferred by you upon me I shall receive a most comfortable incitement to go on forwards in my Studies and be for ever bound to pray for a blessed increase of all Graces spiritual and temporal both for this life and the life to come unto your self with your most vertuous aud truely Godly and Religious consort unto all yours both at home and abroad and their succeeding posterity for ever And so I commend you to God and to the word of his Grace which is able to build you up and to give you an inheritance amongst all them that are sanctified And the Lord of Peace himself give you peace alwayes by all means So prayeth he who is Sir Your constant Oratour before the Throne of Grace and faithfull servant in the Lord Jesus Christ. Thomas Gage To my beloved Parishioners and approved Friends the Inhabitants of upper and lower Deal in Kent Grace and Peace be multiplied My dearly beloved in the Lord ARistotle in penning his moral instructions of Philosophy thought all his indeavours well bestowed if he might profit as he saith any one thereby much more if Towns and Cities How happy then may I think my labours imployed if by these small pains I may rightly instruct you all not in moral vertues but in Divine and Gospel-verities not in precepts of manners onely but in Mysteries of true Religion On which I will not say the Civil Nurture or gay Deportment of the outward Man but the life of your Souls and hope of all eternity dependeth With which if you covet to enrich your Souls two things I request at your hands The one is not to frame an overweening conceit or bear too partial affection to such as are of contrary judgement unto me the other to peruse this Treatise with an indifferent and single eye and with a greedy zeal of imbracing truth from whose mouth soever I know the subtilty of Sathan and snare of Schismaticks hath ever been as the Apostle saith By good words and fair speeches to deceive the hearts of the simple By faigned words to make merchandize of you Their chiefest project and principal study is with meretricious and painted Eloquence to entertain their followers and whilest they fill their ears with delight to instill into their Souls most poysoned Doctrine But the great Oratour Demosthenes can tell you that the riches of Greece consist not in words And the Apostle pronounceth Not in lo●tiness and sublimity of speech not in the perswasible words of humane wisdom are the Mysteries of Christ but in the power of God and Doctrine of the spirit Be not therefore be not I beseech you inveagled with the smooth tongue or filed speech and stile of our new Novations but consider the matter weigh the Reasons examine the proofs they all alleadge and you shall finde such silly Arguments such slender stuff as Augustine espied in the eloquent and lofty discourses of Faustus Manichaeus and the rest of his crew when not regarding as he saith what gallant dish or vessel of speech but what food of knowledge he propounded unto him not hearkening to the sound of words but to the pith of matter Albeit they bragged much and promised nothing more than Truth Truth yet he is discovered as he witnesseth No truth amongst them nothing but lies vanities and vile superstitions The like shall you discern in some new upstart Professours of these times For although they vaunt of the word of God vaunt of Scriptures and Scriptures onely seem to follow yet because as Ambrose teacheth By the word of the Law they impugne the Law framing their private sense and construction to countenance the perversity of their mindes by the Authority of the Law It is more than evident they follow not the Oracles of God but rather the fancies of their own brain the suggestion of Sathan For by perverse interpretation as Hierome testifieth of the Gospel of Christ is made the Gospel of man or which is worse the Gospel of the Devil And Martial the Poet speaketh to this purpose Quem recitas meus est Offidentine libellus Sed male cum recitas incipit esse tuus The Book thou doest recite Offidentine is mine Reciting it amiss it groweth to be thine Secondly they boast of their pure preaching of the word whereas in this my small Treatise and disproof of Mr. Nichols his errours you shall discover that some of them have no Authority to preach no laying on of the hands of the Presbytery no Mission no Vocation much less to Administer the Sacraments which requireth the power of the Keyes They are Theeves saith Christ who enter not by the door but climb another way to steal kill and destroy your Souls They are the false Prophets who cry Thus saith our Lord when our Lord said it not nor sent them nor gave them Commission to
by reason of their corruptions And if not lost in them then in them it still continued and if it continued in them then still in them there was by vertue of their true Ordination for substance potestas in and potestas ad a power in in themselves to preach and to pray still and a power to or towards to or towards others to communicate this power by imposition of hands to others to other Ministers and Presbyters in whom neither could Ordination for subs●ance be lost for their superstitions and corruptions could not make void null the Acts of Office belonging to them from a Root and Fountain without and Authoritatively derived to them from the first Institution of Christ and from their Ordination by imposition of hands by the former Presbyters still true for substance And if their Superstitions and corruptions could make Ordination void and null the Superstitions and corruptions of the former should also have made it void and so it must be said to decay in the first in whom it decayed not they having been rightly ordained for substance before their fall apostasie Now the Superstitions corruptions of those that succeeded the first were in kinde of the same nature and quality with those that were found in the first and so they could not being the same in kinde and nature do more then the first no● make void and null that Ordination for substance which the first corruptions in the first Apostates never made void and null So that in those Presbyters who succeeded the first back-sliders there was also potestas in and potestas ad power in themselves to preach and to pray and power to or towards others to communicate this power by imposition of hands to others And so in them neither could ordination for substance still right die or decay And so successively ordination for substance continued true notwithstanding the corruptions and evil qualities of Officers till the glorious light of Reformation began again to shine As in a wall which on● day is seen and known by the colour of a white plaistering over it but the next day is found with another colour even dawbed over with black yet still continues in the substance of the stones and other materials to be the same wall the black dawbing or any other paintings not being so destructive as to destroy the substance of the wall Even so Ordination as a strong wall to the Church of Christ though at first in the pure and Primitive times it was observed and known by the true white colour of Imposition of hands by the Presbytery with fasting and prayer without any Oyls or dawbing ointings and Chrisms by praying and preaching onely without that black corruption and Superstition of Mass-mumming or paintings of an unbloudy Sacrifice yet continues and then continued true for substance and was not quite destroyed or abolished by the colours of Rites and Superstitious Ceremonies put upon it by corrupt Bishops Presbyters who lived in England in the height of Pope y and Romish Superstition And thus as I have looked back to the beginning of Popery and there have found no nulling no destroying of true Ordination for substance nor any decay or loss of it in the succ●ssion of Presbyters following and succeeding untill the Reformation Let us now take a view of the first Reformers who were ashamed of the former corruptions and Apostasies who left off Mass-mumming and offering an unbloudy sacrifice in the Mass and let us now see whether in them continuing Preaching and praying Ordination for substance were lost and decayed so that in them there remained not still potestas in and potestas ad power in in themselves to Preach and to Pray and power to or towards others to communicate to other Presbyters by Imposition of hands the same power to pray to Preach the word and to Administer the Sacraments Object It may be Objected and said of them that they being Ordained to the Mass as well as to Preaching Praying and Admistring the Sacraments could not Ordain others to Preaching and Praying and Administring the Sacraments onely unless they Ordained them to what themselves had been Ordained to wit to Sacrifice also and to the Mass because their power reached to the latter as well as to the former And so the Ministers succeeding them and yet not truely Ordained to the same full power of Massing and Sacrificing to which they that Ordained them had been themselves Ordained but being Ordained to one part onely of their power to wit to Preaching and Praying and Administring the Sacraments and not to Sacrifice and the Mass were not truely Ordained because the first Reformers had shaken off and renounced their own full power which themselves had received by abjuring the Mass and Sacrifice to which their power reach●d and so could communicate no power to others but in that fulness of power for kinde and nature which themselves had formerly received Ans. To the which Objection I answer with this plain and easie instance of a Justice of the Peace now amongst us whose former power was onely to Administer Justice and to act by Law against Delinquents and Offenders binding them over to the Sessions or committing them to the Gaol or Prison But now to this his power is further added by an Act of Parliament another power to joyn in the State of Marriage such as shall come before him to be married and to declare them Man and Wife giving them his Certificate that they are truely and lawfully coupled together in the State of Matrimony If now a Justice of the Peace should make a scruple of doing this as some I hear already do his Conscience telling him that Marriages have for many years in all sorts of Churches yea in the best Reformed Churches alwayes belonged to the Ministery as an Ordinance of God though not as a Sacrament as Rome ●ea●eth and for that Matrimony is an honourable estate in its Relation to Christ the husband and the Church his spouse Eph. 5. Chap. and not rashly to be undertaken but with grounds reasons and Scripture to be laid up●n cleared to the Parties that are to be Wedded and that with good counsel Admonition and prayer to God for a blessing upon the Parties to be ma●●ied for the better knowing their duties each to the other better performing those duties and for the better guiding their lives in love peace and unity for the time to come If I say upon these grounds acknowledging himself unlearned in the Scriptures unfit for such good counsel instruction and Admonition having not a Spirit of prayer for such a purpose he should renounce that power given unto him to joyn Man Wi●e together and should absolutely refuse to practise it any longer as not belonging to him according to the Dictate of his Conscience Yet the other part of his Power to Administer Justice against Offenders would still continue in force his Power Authority and Commission for that
would not be said to be void and forfeited because in part he renounceth that which hath troubled his Conscience in the performing of it Even so the first Reforming Presbyters Priests or Bishops who had received power by the Commission of their Ordination to Preach and to Pray and to administer the Sacraments and also to say Mass and in the Mass to offer up a Sacrifice when the true light of the Gospel and Reformation began to shine upon their Consciences were by the Spirit moved to renounce some part of their power as not belonging to them to wit the Mass and Sacrifi●e and to continue and keep the other part of their power and Commission to wit Preaching Praying and Administring the Sacraments as belonging to them by their Commission from Christ when by Ordination the power of the Keyes was committed unto them And who will say that because they renounced unlawfull power therefore their lawfull power was forfeited and made void and null either in themselves to practise it or towards others to communicate it to others by right true and lawfull imposition of hands as Christ ordained Object But this Objection against our Ministery and our lawfull succession is much like to that of Rome against us saying that the Ministers of the Reformed Churches had no Commission or lawfull calling being under the Pope and Popish Prelates to reform the Church and so think and judge our Separatists that our Commission being void and all power to ordain and to Reform the Church is fallen to the people Ans. To whom I answer with Morneus his answer to the Papists Objection against our Reformers at the first beginning of Reformation That the calling of our first Ministers which reformed the Church in these last times was the same vocation and succession w●ereof they themselves do brag but the same vocation which they abused have our men indeavoured to use well and to that vain succession wherewith they decked themselves they have added the succession of true Doctrine which they had corrupted without which all succession is nothing else but a continuing of abuse and errour Wickliff Ion Hus Luther Zwinglius Oecolampadius Bucer and others of that School from whence the Ministers which have gathered Churches from under Antichrist are descended were Priests as they call them and Doctors in Divinity As Priests and Pastours they had charge to preach the truth unto the people and to Administer the Sacraments unto them according to the Institution of our Lord. As Doctors they were called to expound Divinity in their readings and in their books and they were bound by the ordinary Oath of all Universities to declare the truth unto the Church to confute all Doctrines repugnant against the word of God and with all their might to expell it Now in their time they sound that the word of God was hid unto the people that the honour which was due to God alone was turned to men and to images that the bloud of Christ was trodden under foot that the Sacrament of the Supper was partly turned into Idolatry and partly denied unto the poor people To be short that all the holy Scripture was prophaned and poysoned with the Popes gloss and Popish interpretations And when they shewed these things to the Bishops and Metropolitans according to the order of their Church they made no reckoning of them they were the first that persecuted them because they themselves were the infected part of the Church I ask therefore if their vocation commanded them not to go farther to wit to preach the truth unto the people and purely to administer the Sacraments And if they had done otherwise whither they had not been forsakers of their calling contemners of their Oath made unto God and abusers of the people Both two therefore our Popish Adversaries and our first Ministers had one and the same ordinary and outward calling But herein is the difference that that which ours have followed the others have forsaken that which ours have done of duty by reason of their charge the other have concealed Ours have led their sheep upon the Mountains of Israel into good pastures Ezek. 34. the others have devoured them or else left them for a prey to the beasts of the field or else driven them to the Fens Marishes where they have starved A Magistrate shall be called to the Government of a Common-wealth where he shall finde the good Laws corrupted by the negligence or malice of those that went before his Courts full of injustice the Officers subject to factions briberies and corruptions and he would reform all this and bring it to the censure of the Laws He that will further now ask him by what right he doth this should he not make himself a laughing-stock because he follows step by step his calling He hath not sworn to maintain abuses but rather to maintain the Laws and to provide every way that he can for the good and preservation of the Common-wealth But what an absurdity would it be to say that this Magistrate hath forfeited his Commission and power because he thus reforms the Courts and the Common-wealth to w●ich he is sworn and to judge his power now lapsed into the peoples hands because he reforms abuses Even so likewise have our fi●st Ministers done first requiring reformation and afterwards putting too their hands according to their duty And if we could ask the Apostles who are their true succ●ssours They would not tell us such as have a Triple Crown or such a Cope or such a Miter but those that preach the word of God after our example At the preaching of these first men the Pastour of the Churches were awakened in England in Bohemia in Germany in Scotland in Denmark in Swedenland and afterwards many in France and these were sent to bethink them of their duty Consequently some whole Realms were reformed the very Bishops themselves that there had preached lies preached the truth in the self-same Church and Pulpit and they with their reformed Presbyters ordained others to preach and pray to Administer the Sacraments according to Christ his word truely revealed to these Pastours and fi●st Reformers And now for their good and Godly indeavours shall our Separatists like Papists question their calling Judge their power and Commission void null our succession from them and preach our Ordination down as lost and ruined either in time of Popery or by these our first Reformers It is an opinion or errour with laughing to be exploded But to draw to an end I shall briefly answer to that part of our Adversaries Argument and Objection against our Ministers They were Ordained by Bishops say they Ergo They are Babylonish First by way of answer I desire to know what these men think of Mr. Bradford and the rest of those holy Ministers and Martyrs ordained by Bishops in those dayes Were they Antichristian and Babylonish Ministers But secondly The Bishops which ordained our Ministers since the Reformation were not