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A28901 A light from Christ leading unto Christ by the star of his word, or, The rich jewel of Christian divinity practically explained in the principles enlightening the children of God how to meet Christ in his ordinances and by strength from Christ to walk comfortably with Christ in the whole course of their lives ... by way of catechism or dialogue, not to answer verbatim or by wrote ... but each one according to his own sence and understanding of the question / by Immanuel Bourn of Ashover in the county of Derby, now preacher of the Gospel to the congregation in Sepulchres C.L. Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672. 1646 (1646) Wing B3855; ESTC R35779 307,398 743

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knowledge of God Ioh. 5.39 17.3 Rom. 15.14 and of Iesus Christ whom he hath sent Quest 14. What is the sum of the Scriptures held forth since the fall of Adam to this end that we may be happy for ever Ans First the Gospel or promising part holding forth Christ and Salvation in Christ by Faith Gen. 3.15 17.1 Exo. 20. Mat. 5. Iam. 7.2 Secondly The Law or commanding part manifesting that life and Rule of life in thankfulnesse by obedience Quest 15. Whence hath the holy Scriptures its Authority to require belief and obedience unto it Ans From God himself who did write part of it with his own finger Exod. 31.18 32.16 35.1 Deut. 9.10 2 Pet. 1.20 21. or by himself and his own power and the Prophets Apostles and Pen-men were the Pen-men of God the holy Ghost writing the Word of the Lord and what was directed by his holy Spirit for Gods glory and the good of his Church Quest 16. But doth not the Scriptures Authority depend upon the Authority of the Church and doth not the Churches Testimony prove the holy Scriptures to be the Word of God Ans Certainly although the Scripture may be believed with some kinde of Faith to be the Word of God by the Testimony of the Church especially by men out of the Church moved by the Churches testimony to receive the Scripture as Gods Word as holy Augustine did yet the Authority of the Scriptures depends upon God himself and the Saints are moved to believe it as by the excellency of the Scripture it self so by the testimony of the spirit witnessing unto their consciences that it is indeed the very Word of God Quest 17. How may this be illustrated further to us Ans By that Example of the Samaritans Iohn 4. they first believed on Christ for the testimony of the woman who said Christ had told her all things that ever she did But when they had heard Christ Ibid. now say they to the woman We do not believe on Christ for thy saying for we have heard him our selves and know indeed that this is very Christ So likewise at the first Augustine was and others may be drawn to believe the scriptures by the testimony of the Church but when once the minde is enlightned by the holy Spirit to see the Scriptures excellency Heb. 4.12 and the power of God in the word how it is quick and alive yea mighty in operation sharper then a two edged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit and of the joynts and marrow of us and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart and that the Spirit of God is in the word 2 Cor. 3.8 and the Gospel is the Ministration of the Spirit Now the soul doth not believe and rest upon the witnesse of the Church for the truth and Authority of the Scripture but by the power of the Spirit of truth it self The childe of God seeth and knoweth that the holy Scriptures are the Scriptures of truth Iohn 16.13 and the very word of God himself and so to be believed and obeyed of all that look for Salvation Quest 18. But is not the Scriptures obscure and difficult to be understood and so dangerous to be read especially of ignorant and weak people Ans The holy Scriptures in respect of that Doctrine the knowledge of which is absolutely necessary to Salvation is not obscure but plain and easie by the assistance of the Spirit for every regenerate soul to understand the eyes of whose minde is enlightned Psa 119.105 yea it is a light to our feet and a lanthern to our pathes unto which we ought to give heed 2 Pet. 1.19 as unto a light that shineth in a dark place untill the day dawn and the day star and glory of the Gospel arise in our hearts But it is true it is dark and offensive to blinde eyes 1 Cor. 1.18 and to all that perish as in whom the God of this world hath blinded their mindes 2 Cor. 4.4 l●st the light of the glory of God should shine unto them and it is obscure and difficult to be understood in some parts even to Gods Children though not alwayes First that the Elect people of God might not trust to their own wisdom for understanding of the Scripture Eph. 1.18 19. but might be stirred up to pray for the help of the Spirit of Christ Luk. 24.45 Eph. 3.16 c and that Christ might dwell in their hearts by Faith and open their wills to understand that they may be able to comprehend with all Saints what is the height and length and depth and to know the love of God which passeth knowledge that they may be filled with the fulnesse of God Secondly That the Saints may be stirred up to diligent reading meditation and study of the Scriptures that so they may better gain the right understanding of places difficult and obscure Thirdly That the Saints may see that sometimes they stand in need of an Interpreter Iob 33.23 Acts 8.30 31. one of a thousand to understand the Scriptures As the Eunuch did stand in need of Philip and therefore might be taught to see the necessity and excellency of the speciall office of Christs Ministers 1 Cor. 4.1 2. 1 Tim. 5.17 and esteem of them and honour them as the Ministers of Christ unto whom the Lord in a more speciall manner hath given and communicated by his Spirit the speciall gift of understanding and Interpreting of the Scriptures 1 Cor. 12.28 c. Mal. 2.7 Nehem. 8.7 8. 1 Tim. 4.13 2 Tim. 3.15 16. and of opening the true sense of the holy Scriptures to the glory of God and good of Gods Church and verely the Scriptures may and ought to be read and searched of all sorts whose hearts God moveth to desire the knowledge of Christ for it hath been observed of old the Scripture is a Sea wherein the Elephant may swim and the Lamb may go on foot the greatest Doctors may finde work to understand and the poorest Saint may see and feel and finde comfort Quest 19. What or how manifold is the sense and meaning to be sought out in the holy Scriptures for our instruction Ans Howsoever the Scriptures in many places may be applied to our use and instruction by Typicall Tropologicall Figurative Analogicall and Parabolicall Interpretations Yet notwithstanding there is but one immediate literall genuine certain sense of a place of Scripture which is the true scope and intent of the holy Ghost in that place and this is to be sought out with all diligence as being the Grammaticall Historicall or positive meaning of the Spirit of God to be rested in as the truth of God Quest 20. But from whence must we seek the true interpretation of the Soripture Ans From the Spirit of Christ speaking not in the breast of the Pope falsly challenging
life and salvation in and by Christ better to others And secondly bestowing upon them gifts of grace to enable them for the work of the Ministery And thirdly 2 Tim. 2.1 c. Col. 1.25 c. Tit. 2.7 1 Pet. 5.1 c. Drawing their Spirits willingly to undertake this honorable calling not for by-ends or base respects of worldly profit pleasure or uncertain honour but for Gods glory conversion of souls and the good of Gods Church Quest 21. How else doth the Lord call them to the office of the Ministery Ans He calleth them outwardly by a due and right examination of their graces Acts 13.1 c. 1 Tim 4.12 c. 5.21 22. 6.11 12. Tit. 1.4 c. life and learning and Approbation of them by the Church and such Elder able servants of Christ Iesus as are appointed to that office of Examination and Approbation by good and lawfull Authority setting them apart for the Ministery according to the rule of Christ in his Word Quest 22. What hurt or danger can follow if the speciall calling of the Ministery were laid aside and every Christian according to the measure of his gifts did take upon him to Preach the Gospel and administer Sacraments to private meetings of people and neglect and separate from the publike Ministery of such as are called by Authority as aforesaid though the Gospel be truly Preached and no danger of frequenting the Congregations known and openly appointed for that end Ans It will throw down Gods Ordinances of the Ministeriall office so fully confirmed in holy Scripture and open a door to all Schismes and Divisions in the Church yea to all Errors and Heresies and in the end to Ignorance Atheisme and all prophanenesse Exod. 3.30 31. Numb 3.10 c and 4.15.20 and 16.3 c. 1 Sam. 3.29 1 King 2.19.16 Isa 6.6 7 8. Jer. 1.5 and 3.15 Ezek. 1.28 Gal. 1.6 7. 1 Tim. 1.6 7 8. 2 Pet. 2.1 2 3. and 2.10 c. 1 Tim 1 18 c. and 6.8 9 10 2 Tim. 3.5 c. 3 Joh. 9.10 2 Tim. 4.3 4 and 3.13 Tit. 1.11 c. 1 Tim. 2.12 Quest 23. What profit is it to have such an able and faithfull Ministery called fitted and Authorized as aforesaid Isa 50.4 2 Tim. 4.1.2 3 4. Eph. 3.6 9 10. 1 Tim. 1.15 Heb. 12.2 Luke 4.18 19. Acts 6.10 Ans Certainly great profit and comfort to have able and faithfull Ministers for these can and will minister a word of comfort in due season to poor souls in distresse these can and will first Reprove and convince Errors Secondly Correct vice by Authority of Gods Word Thirdly Rightly exhort to all holinesse And Fourthly To all patience long-suffering and Doctrine holding forth Christ as the Author and finisher of our Faith 1. To the comfort of poor sinners 2. To the joy of Saints And 3. To the confusion of all gainsayers The thirteenth Classis or Company of Questions 1 Question YOu have manifested the knowledge of Christ in his Natures Person and Offices Now what is to be known concerning those graces which God the Father and the Lord Christ with the holy Ghost gives and which are sealed to the Saints in the holy Sacraments Ans When Christ ascended up on high and had led Captivity Captive as he had procured many graces Eph. 4.8.16 gifts and benefits so he gave and communicated them from God the Father to poor sinners and they are sealed to the faithfull in the blessed Sacraments Quest 2. But what are these gifts and graces in particular Ans The first speciall gift benefit or blessing is the grace of Election which God hath bestowed upon his Church and Children in Christ and the assurance whereof is sealed in this Sacrament as other benefits of Christ to our souls Quest 3. What is the grace of Election Ans The grace of Election is that most free Act of God Rom. 8.22 30. Eph. 1.4 5 6. 2 Thes 2.13 by which he hath chosen some men and women before the foundation of the world in Christ to life Eternall having predestinated them to the Adoption of Children by Iesus Christ unto himself according to the good pleasure of his will to the praise of the glory of his grace wherein he hath made them accepted in the beloved Quest 4. What should a Christian do concerning his Election Ans Labour to make his Election sure for his joy and comfort 2 Pet. 1.7 c. Luke 10.20 Quest 5. What is the second blessing and grace given from God the Father in and by Christ for the benefit of his Church Ans The unspeakable benefit of Redemption Eph. 2.14 c. Col. 1.12 13. and Reconciliation to God by Iesus Christ for the joy of his people Quest 6. What is this grace of Redemption and Reconciliation to God Ans Redemption is that vindication and freeing of men and women by Christ from the terrible bondage of sin Hos 1.13 14. Luke 1.74 75. 2 Cor. 5.19 Col. 1.12 c Heb. 9.12 Ioh. 3.16 Mat. 17.5 2 Pet. 1.16 c. death the Devil and hell and making our peace with God by the payment of a just and full price to satisfie Gods Iustice not with silver and gold but with his precious blood as of a Lamb immaculate and without spot Quest 7. What is a third blessing or grace given in Christ and procured by Christ for the good of his Church Eph. 1.7 c. 3.1 2 c. 4.8 c. 2 Cor. 3.8 4 13. 1 Cor. 3.1 c. 2 Cor. 6.1 c. Ans The rich grace of the Gospel which brings salvation and the Ministers of the Gospel who are Ambassadors for Christ to beseech men to be reronciled and Instruments of our conversion and calling into the knowledge of the mystery of Christ Quest 8. What is a fourth grace or benefit which the Lord Christ hath procured and doth communicate to and for the profit and comfort of his Church Ans The holy Ghost or blessed Spirit of truth proceeding from the Father and the Son 2 Cor. 3.8 4.13 Eph. 1 ●6 c. and God equall with them both the Lord and giver of life and who makes the Gospel and all grace effectuall by Faith and power of applying Christ and all Christs benefits and graces to the soul of a Childe of God Ioh. 16.7 c. 1 Ioh. 4.13 Secondly Who worketh and increaseth graces in the hearts of Gods Children in the holy and right use of all Christs Ordinances for the joy and comfort of Gods Church Quest 9. What is the fifth blessing or grace Ans The inestimable grace and blessing of effectuall vocation unto God in Christ and the society of the faithfull Quest 10. What is this grace and benefit of effectuall vocation Ans The grace of effectuall vocation is that gracious act fruit and effect of Gods Free-grace and love in Christ manifested First upon us in Election Secondly
so sealing promise of performance of Covenant with Christ and his Church accordingly Of these I say 1. The first is not acted by the childe for that cannot desire Baptism Mark 10. But it is acted by the parents who do present the childe as those in the Gospel and dedicate and consecrate it to God in Christ and in the behalf of the childe according to Gods Covenant with the faithful and their seed desire Baptism for it That in and by Baptism it may be admitted to outward visible Infant-membership in the Church See the Ancient Forms of Baptism in the Church of Christ Reformed c. 2. Again for the second profession of the Faith that neither is nor can be done by the Infant when it usually bapt●z●d at a week old or thereabouts or it may be sooner That profession of Faith therefore hath usually been made by the parents at least in a declaration of their assent and consent to the Articles of the Faith of Christ and cheif sum of the Gospel Thirdly for the intimation of a Covenant and Covenant-union with Christ and his Church in the profession of the Gospel this the child in infancy cannot perform nor promise Therefore it hath been the Churches practise that the Parents whose duty properly it is or the pro-parents have according to their duty promised and engaged themselves to do their best endeavour by the power of Christ First To Catechize and instruct their children in the knowledge of God and Iesus Christ as he is held forth in the Word of God our Saviour and to instruct them in that promise they did make when they did present them to be baptized to bring them up in the knowledge Faith and profession of the Gospel according to the power and means God in his good providence should afford them Secondly to inform them how they have likewise promised to do their best endeavour to instruct them in their duty when that they come to years and have gain'd knowledge and Faith by Gods Grace in the Gospel to make profession of that Faith and declare their subjection in their own persons unto the Gospel of Christ Thirdly and to renew the Covenant of which passively they received the seal when they were baptized in infancy and to declare their renewing of that Covenant with God in Christ when upon approbation of the Church and Ministers and Elders of the Church or those in Authority from Christ they were admitted to the Lords Table Fourthly and lastly to instruct them that they were baptized and engaged in Baptism to this end amongst others in this or the like manner to enjoy a more full Communion in and with the Church of Christ And thus I have endeavoured to set forth the manner and nature of Infants outward entrance and solemn admission with the Church by Baptism Secondly there is another thing to be considered in and concerning the children of believers when they are come to years of understanding and knowledge and that God hath given them Faith and holinesse in some measure and ability to professe their Faith and to declare their desire of holinesse and willingnesse to manifest their professed subjection to the Gospel in Faith and obedience This is their performance of this duty by means whereof they are admitted by the Church in general or those who have Authority from Christ unto a full Church communion in the Sacrament of the Lords Supper and other acts of Church-fellowship according unto the rule and direction of Christ held forth in the Gospel And thus I conceive they are formally compleat members as in respect of truth of membership-infant in their infant Baptism so in respect of visibility and ripe years membership in the Lords Supper and thus they all are visible members and matter of the Church of Christ and have a true formal admission into the Church without any other special Covenant amongst Christians as necessarily and absolutely necessary to the formal constitution of a visible Church and without any rebaptization or renouncing of their former Baptism as some have and do pretend And thus I have shewed you who are our neighbours and what is the Church of Christ visible and the Communion of Saints to and with whom we ought to exercise our Christian love and charity And so the true matter of a Church or material cause both in respect of infants and men of ripe years Quest 35. But sir there are divers Separatists amongst us who are seducing people dayly from our Church and affirm our Churches have neither matter nor form of a Church or at least are so corrupt in both that our congregation are no Churches of Christ but Babylon and members of Antichrist and so to be departed from Rev. 41. They do indeed abuse that place of Scripture and falsly apply that to us which belongs to Rome Ans But I have given an Answer to this Objection before in part Yet to clere the point more fully in brief First for the matter of the Church they cannot deny but we have in our Church and Congregations visible Saints true matter of a Church and members of Christ yea some as great Saints as most we know or reade of in the Christian world This I my self have known in some Country Parochial Congregations by experience and this I do know in some great City Congregations although there be too many hypocrites too many formalists and too many prophane People mixed and not yet purged out from our Congregation nor cast out as they ought to have been And I say further if for these failings and corruptions in a Church They will as they would un-church our Churches they may and do by the same Argument unchurch the Church of Corinth and others which Christ and his Apostles approve and acknowledge true Churches of God in Christ Iesus If for this cause of different matter of or in our Churches or because we have mixed Congregations and not consisting of all visible Saints but some erroneous in judgement and some erring in life and conversation their Argument I conceive must be to this or the like effect as full against the Church of Corinth as our great mixed Congregations No visible Church which is a mingled Congregation consisting of some visible Saints and some visible prophane people in life and erroneous in judgement ignorant and scandalous and not cast out but suffered in the Church is a true visible Church of Christ and to be communicated with But the Church of Corinth was such a Church as well as our mixed Congregations as may easily be proved And therefore the Church of Corinth was no true visible Church of Christ and to have beep separated from as from Babylon And this I hope they dare not but confesse is a most false and scandalous conclusion and so their Argument false against our Churches and their opinion a false opinion that our mixed Congregations are no true Churches of Christ or to be separated from as
and the bounds of their habitation and in this civil co-habitation there is a union and this civil union in a Kingdom City or Parish or the like doth not un-church a people for this respect for then certainly all the Churches of Christ in Corinth Galatia Ephesus Pergamos Smyrna and others as well as in England London or a Parochial Congregation must have been un-churched then which what is more absurd to imagine Secondly there is a religious and more spiritual formal union when a company of men and women professing the Faith of Christ held forth in the Gospel and subjection thereunto in righteousnesse and true holinesse and united in a Parochial Church or congregational meeting place to partake of the holy Ordinance of the Word Prayer and Sacraments and other acts of Christian communion and Church fellowship This is a true form of a Church amongst us though not without some failings yet so as we have and do remain true Churches of Iesus Christ and such as ought not to be un-churched by schism and separation Quest 45. But how will this appear in particular Ans I Answer first for the preaching of the Gospel and our union in that we have had and do enioy a most comfortable union and meeting of Christ and one with another even our Adversaries being judges they themselves have found the sweetnesse of Christ in the preaching of the Gospel in our mixed Congregations by Gods faithful Ministers And although some Ministers there preach otherwise as in Galatia they do yet not un-un-church a Church for all this Secondly for prayer howsoever set forms have been by some in Authority so much pressed yet if we look to the ancient form prescribed in the dayes of King Edward the sixt of happy memory That was but a kinde of directory as was evident in the Rubrick and directions at the end of that Book that liberty given to use or not use in divers respects as that in prayer a man might knock his brest or not knock it he might kneel or not kneel in ordinance he might crosse or not crosse and divers other of like nature yea I conceive the late Book of Common-prayer howsoever pressed by some yet was but a kinde of directorie as in divers particulars is evident in direction for visitation of sick thanksgiving for womens deliverance from danger of childebirth left to discretion of a Minister and though pressed by other yet not un-church a Church for all this Thirdly for the Sacrament and administration of them those that object that Christ did blesse first the Bread and after distribution of the Bread or partaking of that did then blesse the Cup that we blesse them both together This is but a circumstance of time and if unchurch a Church for this then why not for changing the time of receiving from after supper to the morning or at feasts of charity or the like These are weak objections to unchurch a Church or to separate from a true Church for any such differences I may say the like to that of the cutting of the bread although the bread be cut and fitted for preparation yet we constantly break the Bread in our administration of the blessed Sacrament as those who joyn in communion with us know well Quest 45. But they object we admit ignorant and scandalous persons many times to the Sacrament which should be cast out of the Church Ans I Answer as Saint Paul did ordain concerning the incestuous person all such as are ignorant and to be cast out of the Church when once they are discovered and proved to be so not upon bare surmises onely and this is that which alwayes ought to have been done by the Discipline of the Church of England reade the old Rubrick in that Directory or Book of Common prayer before and at the Sacrament confirmed in the dayes of Edward the sixt and you may finde first that none ignorant ought to be admitted to the Sacrament they must first be catechized and approved before they be received to partake of that holy Ordinance and secondly none scandalous ought to be received yea if there have been or be but a controversie between two parties any malice or hatred the Minister ought first to examine the parties and to perswade to charity and admit the penitent and reject the uncharitable and howsoever this duty may have been neglected yet this failing is not a sufficient ground to un-church a Church or to separate from a Congregation presently for all this else might the Church of Corinth and other Churches of Christ have been unchurched as we noted before Quest 46. But what power of Discipline hath there been in particular Congregations in the Church of England that there might have been a power of Reformation in these things Ans I answer Certainly there was a great power in the Ministers of particular Congregations especially joyning with the Church-Officers who were sworn to assist in Execution of Discipline and further although there was a power taken to the Bishops in the great matter of Excommunication and such like censures yet not the Bishop nor any under him had any lawful power to Excommunicate any inflict any censure until they were first presented by the Minister or Church-officers of the particular Congregation Nor was any man taken notice of as Excommunicate or suspended from the Sacrament until the Sentence was Declared in the particular Congregation and thus There was a power of Discipline in particular Congregations although it was many times obstructed and not put in due Execution as it ought to have been yet for all this it had sufficient to declare and point out a form of a Church and to constitute and continue a true Church for all this Look to the Church of Corinth noted before Look to the Church of Pergamos where Discipline was obstructed the Church and Church-Officers suffered those who taught the Doctrine of Balaam Rev. 2.14 15. and the Doctrine of the Nicolaitans which Christ hated and yet a true Church for all this though corrupt and unsound in this respect Look to the Church of Thyatira Christ complained against them that Discipline was not exercised Rev. 2.20 they suffered the woman Jezabel yet Christ doth not un-church them nor direct any separation from them for all this And so our Churches are true Churches both for matter and form and not to be un-churched or any separation but a Reformation to be sought for and true unity in the Churches of Christ Quest 47. Yet once again Howsoever formerly there hath been a matter and form of a Church yet now the outward form is gone and the Church like an old house pull'd down to be new builded and where and what form of a Church have we now until Discipline and a Government be setled in the Church Ans I answer Our Church is now in a hopeful way of Reformation blessed be God but yet it is not like a house wholly pull'd down to be
How may we make use of this the Catechismel or the lesser to best profit of private families or others First the Master or some one in the Family may read the Question and then first every one in order declare their knowledge or shew their ignorance and inability to answer Secondly the Master or any other may Reade the Answer in the Booke and let every one in order render the Answer again not verbatim word by word but as hee or shee understands the Question Thirdly let this be practized untill every one is able to give the sence of the Answer onely upon Reading of the Question without Reading the Answer The like a Christian man or woman may do in their closets by Reading and Meditation and questioning themselves And if young Scholars in the Vniversities or elsewhere make use of it at times convenient onely Reading the Questions and Answers out of the English into Latine or Greek I conceive it might be helpefull to receive some light from Christ by which they may sooner be prepared to hold forth the light of Christ for the good of Christs Church Which for the benefit of the Vniversities Cities and Kingdomes is the dayly Prayers of Yours Theirs and the Churches Servant in Christ IMMANUEL BOURNE London Printed for John Wright in the Old Bayly at the signe of Kings Head 1646. FINIS A light from Christ leading unto Christ by the Star of his word and to a lively refreshing in and by Christ at the Lords-Table OR A Divine Help and Directory for preparation to a sweet Communion with Christ in the more comfortable partaking of the Lords Supper Divided into thirty three severall Classes or companies of Question the better to order practise and help the memory The first Classis or company of Questions 1 Question IS every man and woman who professe themselves Christians bound in conscience to make confession or profession of their Faith and Hope in Christ to whomsoever is fit to require it in a fit time and place to Gods glory and the good of Gods Church and Children Answer Yes verely the holy Spirit of Truth holdeth forth this in the Scripture of Truth Mat. 16.23 14 15 16. Luke 9.25 26. 1 Pet. 3.14 15 16. as a Christian duty not to be ashamed of Christs Word or afraid of men but to sanctifie the Lord God in our hearts and to be ready to give an Answer to every man that asketh a Reason of the hope that is in us with meeknesse and reverence Quest 2. But doth not the holy Apostle Paul require a man to examine himself and prove himself What then need any man or woman 1 Cor. 11.28 29. 2 Cor. 13.5 1 Pet. 3.14 15. Gal. 6.4.5 Gal. 2.8 Col. 3.20.22 He. 13.17 1 Tit. 14,26 1 Tit. 5.17 2 Tim. 2.24 c. or childe give an Answer to the Examination or Question of another Ans The Apostle Paul indeed doth strictly require self-examination but neither he nor any other in Scripture doth forbid or gainsay that which the same Spirit of God in St. Peter requireth as a duty namely give a reason of the hope that is in us especially to our Superiours in order of nature or office in the Church as to Parents or masters to Teaching or Ruling Elders especially when it is desired discreetly holily humbly as in Gods presence with meeknesse compassion and love for Gods glory our own Edification and the good of Gods Church Quest 3. Is Catechizing or Instruction of the ignorant Children and others of ancient practice and approved authority in the Church of God Ans Most certainly it is Gen. 18.18 Mat. 16.16 17. Heb. 5.12 13. Heb. 6.1 2 3. Eusebius l. 5. c. 9.10 Hicronim in catalo Eusebius l. 6. c. 56. Faithfull Abraham instructed his Family Christ Catechized his Disciples the Apostles gave both milk for Babes and meat for strong men laying down the principles of the Doctrine of Christ and Catechisme hath still been continued in the Church of Christ as Catechismes and Catechists witnesse at large and in particular Pantaenus a Catechist in the Primitive times succeeding the Apostles After him Clemens Alexandrinus Origen and others Quest 4. But may not all those who call themselves Christians and have been Baptized when they were Infants be admitted to the Sacrament when they come to riper years although they were never Catechized or be they never so ignorant And if so Then what need Catechismes or Catechizing or any Examination other then wha man can examine himself Ans All are not Israel that are of Israel nor are all true Christians that call themselves Christians Rom. 9.6 Rev. 3.9 as some said they were Iews and were not but were of the Synagogue of Satan so it is now there are many Christians in name or Baptized persons not only secret Hypocrites undiscerned of whom we cannot judge but open carelesse and notoriously ignorant of Christ and Christianity yea without the knowledge of God or of themselves or of Christ or of the Sacrament in any competent measure requisite to enable them to examine themselves as the Scripture 1 Cor. 11.28 and the Spirit of Christ in the Scriptures require and these I conceive though some men account them visible Christians and although neither their lives are so scandalous nor their ignorance such as for which they may be fitly Excommunicated from the preaching of the Gospel and all communion with the Saints they being willing to hear the Word Preached and not rejecting Christs ministers yet their very ignorance is such that in my judgement they are not fit to be admitted to the Sacrament 1 Example I will give you an Example or two of my own experience I did know one W.W. whom I found ignorant of Christ although he was above threescore years old and telling him that the wages of sin is death Rom. 6.23 and that he must know some one that had died for him or would die for him to satisfie Gods Justice for his sins or else being a sinner he could not be saved He Answered me That none had dyed for him and none should dye for him but he would stand between God and himself This man verely was unfit in my minde to be admitted to the Sacrament of the death of Christ who did neither know nor believe that Christ dyed for sinners Rom. 4.25 nor rose again for their Iustification And when he did presume thus ignorant to come to the Lords Table 1 Cor. ii 29 30. he sinned in so doing and did eat Iudgement to himself not discerning the Lord Body And yet I conceive he was not so scandalous in life or ignorant as to be Excommunicated from the Preaching of the Gospel For when after I did shew him his misery by sin Ioh. 3.16 and the greatnesse of Gods love in giving Christ to dye for poor sinners the tears ran down his cheeks for joy and he confessed he never understood so much before And yet
the Churches of Christ to the end of the world Quest 11. Was there not a fourth Order of Christians Ans Yes There is mention made of the Penitents who were such believers as after profession of their Faith and partaking of the Sacrament did fall into some open notorious scandalous sin and were put back into the number and place of the Catechumens Hospin de Templis page 88. and kept from the Sacrament untill upon true signes of Repentance D. August Hom. 49. de verbis Apostol Eph. 6.20 and satisfaction to the Church they were received again into their former order and re-admitted unto the Lords Supper And so it is evident all were not promiscuously suffered to receive the Sacrament who had been baptized or were formerly received But they were and might be kept back by the Church and such as had right Authority of Government in the Church yea and be excommunicate upon lawfull and just cause given by notorious and scandalous offences 1 Cor. 5.3 4 5. 2 Cor. 2.5 6 7 8. Iustellus in notis cod can Eccl. citat per Godwin de Excom untill God gave them Repentance and they were restored again to the communion of Saints till when in some places they might not come into the Church but stand weeping without desiring with tears those that entred to pray for them Quest 12. Thus you have shewed the practice of the Church for men of ripe yeers converted to the Faith and for such as were Communicants once received But what say you of Children of believing Parents born in the Church and received by Baptisme as outward visible members of the Church had they any such priviledge that when they came to years they might be admitted to the Sacrament of the Lords Supper without Catechizing Examination and making profession of their Faith and the graces of God in them Ans Children of believing Parents have a priviledge to be baptized as the children of Faithfull Abraham had to be circumcised Gen. 17.12 1 Cor. 7.14 and so to be distinguished from Children of Pagans steemed in the judgement of charity as members of the Church untill by wickednes scandalous lives or some other wayes they declared the contrary but yet as the children of the faithfull Israelites were by Gods speciall command to be instructed and Catechized in the knowledge of the Lord Deut. 6.6 7 8 9. Exod. 12.24 25 26 27. 2 Tim. 1.5 2 Tim. 3.15 of his will and works and in particular of the Sacrament and the reason of it So without doubt the Children of believing Parents are to be catechized and instructed in the knowledge of God and of themselves and of Christ and of the Sacrament be able to make profession of their Faith before they be admitted to the Lords Table D. Pet. Martyr locor com Class 3. c. 8. S. 14. And hence I conceive was that decree and order in the Church that Children of Believers Baptized in Infancy when they came to years of discretion Cum tincti fuerunt homines in infantia nec fidei confessionem edidorunt decretum est ut cum venissent ad maturiorem a tatem vocarentur ad Episcopum publicè fidem suam profiterentur Heb. 5.11 c. were Catechized and sufficiently instructed they should be called to make profession of their faith in publike and prayers put up unto God for their perseverance in the Faith to the end This after was called Confirmation so much abused since by the Romish Synagogue and by the Papists and Popish Bishops the good use of which according to the first institution as a policy of the Church might well have been continued and may be profitable in the Church of Christ that men so Baptized in Infancy might be approved for right knowledge and holy conversation before they be entertained at this Feast of the Lord And so Catechizing is a necessary duty in the Church of Christ Quest 13. But doth not the Sacrament hold forth Christ crucified to the eyes as well as Preaching of the Gospel doth to the eares And may not a man be converted to the faith of Christ by the Sacrament as well as by the Word Preached And if so Wherefore then may not all ignorant and scandalous and impenitent men and women be admitted to the Sacrament as well as to hear the Gospel Preached Ans First I will not deny but the Sacrament doth hold forth Christ crucified to a believing eye that by the eye of faith can look upon the Body of Christ broken with torments and blood of Christ shed to the death for sin whilest the eye of the Body doth behold the Bread broken and the Wine powred out in this Sacrament And Secondly I do acknowledge that the Lord may can if he please convert a wicked blinde ignorant prophane man or woman by seeing the Bread broken and the Wine powred out and especially by those manifestations of Christs Death and Passion and those Dehortations and Admonitions of Ignorant and prophane scandalous men and women to withdraw and not presume to come to the Lords Table untill God give them Repentance And by those invitations of believing humble hungry repenting souls to draw nigh to meet Christ and feast with him at his Table and this by the power of the Spirit of Christ bringing all home to the soul But it is the preaching of the Gospel in another manner then at the Sacrament that is the common and ordinary way of conversion in which men and women ought to wait upon Christ for Repentance and Remission of sins Acts 5.31 Rom. 10.14 15 16 17. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God and this by Preaching as the Apostle Saint Paul publisheth Secondly the Sacrament hath properly another end namely as Circumcision of old was a sign of the Covenant between God and Abraham Gen. 17.7 8 c. Rom. 4.11 and and a seal and pledge not of a corporall Covenant but of that Covenant of Grace in Christ and of that Righteousnesse of Faith or of Christ received by Faith and which Abraham enjoyed by believing and Saints by our ingrafting into Christ And as the Passeover or Paschall Lamb and sprinckling of the Blood upon the two side-posts Exod. i2 22 and upon the lintell of the door of the house was a sign and seal and pledge to confirm the Faith of Israel That God would passe over their houses when the Angel destroyed the first-born of Egypt and that God would sprinckle their souls with the Bloud of Christ Heb. 12.24 that blood of sprinkling that speaketh better things then did the bloud of Abell so this Sacrament was properly instituted to confirme and strengthen the Disciples Faith Mat. 26.26 c. and so the faith of all Beleevers and to seale and assure unto them the Covenant of Grace 1 Cor. ii 23 c. Christ and his benefits promised And it was not insitituted for Pagans
and Infidels and unbeleevers to convert them but for Beleevers to confirme them in the faith as by the Institution of this Sacrament may appeare Exod. 12.47 48. Rom. 2.28 29. and as the Passeover was not to be eaten of the uncircumcised but of the circumcised and those who were circumcised in heart at least in outward appearance as the Apostle holds forth true Iews and so true Christians now in the Church of Christ at least in appearance ought to be admitted to the Sacrament Quest 14. This is an Answer sufficient Iudges 6.31 But what further may be said to such as plead for Baal and seem to set open a door for all prophane ignorant unbelieving impenitent persons to come to this holy Sacrament Ans That the Word hath and may be Preached to all creatures men and women of all sorts Drunkards Mar. 16.15 Matth. 9.10 13. 1 Tim. 1. 15 16. Mat. 10. 14 15. Adulterers whores except such as reject the Gospell and maliciously persecute the Ministers of Christ against whom they may shake off the dust of their feet But to admit all sorts to the Sacrament all ignorant and scandalous impenitent persons Act. 13.44 c. Act. 18.5 6. Mat. 18.15 16. Levit. 19.17 1 Cor. 5.4 5. this ought not to be suffered But those in Authority in the Church ought rather to suspend or deliver up such to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that the Spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus Quest 15. It seemeth evident to me then that every man and woman who may come to the Preaching of the Word may not come to the Sacrament if they be either notoriouly ignorant or scandalous and therefore Catechisme is very necessary Ans You are in the right for if legall impurity Exod. 12.48 Exek 44.7 8.9 Lev. 7.20 21. 15. Num. 2.10 11. yea but the touching of a dead body made them unclean and unfit for the Passeover Then much more spirituall uncleannesse and uncircumcision of the heart and life defileth the soul and maketh unfit for the holy Sacrament And if those who have only a form of godlinesse without the power of Religion 2 Tim. 3.5 must be turned away from as those with whom the Saints ought as much as is possible to have no communion Then certainly those prophane ones who have not so much as an outward form of Religion but are notoriously ignorant and notoriously scandalous who live Atheistically without God in the world Eph. 2.12 they must needs be unfit to meet Christ in this holy Ordinance of the Lords Supper or for the Saints willingly to communicate with at the Lords Table Quest 16. But who hath Authority to Excommunicate or suspend these ignorant and scandalous persons and to keep them from the Sacrament Ans I do not say that every particular Minister Mat. 18.17 c. 1 Cor. 5.3 4 5. Act. 14.23 Tit. 1.5 1 Tim. 1.19 20. or Member of a congregation hath this power But the whole congregation or the Presbytery and Elders ordained as Rulers in the Church or at least such as are lawfully Authorised from Gods Word and from the Church of Christ to perform this duty Quest 17. But what if the Church or the Elders of the Church or any other in Authority Ier. 15.19 do not perform their duties in taking order and care as much as is in their power that the precious may be wholly separated from the vile But that for want of their care and diligence or faithfulnesse such a man who in the judgement of the Minister or any one or more of the Congregation so it be not of the greatest part is ignorant or scandalous do presse into the Sacrament though he be admonished in private and publike to forbear and not to indanger his own soul of becoming guilty of the Body and the blood of Christ 1 Cor. 11.27 c. Is the Minister or any such of the Congregation doing their best to hinder such Communicating guilty of such a mans sin who comes wilfully unprepared as being ignorant or scandalous in their judgments and without the wedding garment As for Example Example if a man live in the wilsull breach of a lawfull Covenant Rom. 1.28 c. a sin it may be not named or reckoned as scandalous by those in Authority and yet a sin in the conscience of a minister or a member of the Church for which a man impenitent for it should be suspended the Sacrament If those in Authority or the greater part of the congregation do neglect their duty and suffer or approve of this mans unlawfull Communicating is the minister or such a member guil-of this mans sin As 1 Cor. 5.11 c. 2 Thes 3.6.14 2 Joh. 9.10 1 Tim. 1.22 Ans Certainly if the Minister or any such Member or Members of the congregation do not use all lawful means to put from them such a person to hinder this sinfull communicating of such a scandalous person they cannot but partake of this mans sin and so be found guilty But if they do their best endeavor in their places and callings to hinder such ignorant or scandalous persons declaring a just dislike of such a mans presumption not countenancing but disallowing and disavowing the boldnesse of such a guest Mat. 22.10 1 Cor. 11.27 c. Gen 4.7 Rev. 2.14 c. to come without the wedding garmen● I conceive they are not guilty of this mans unworthy receiving and the sin shal lie at their doors who have Au hority and power to prevent or use means of preventing this sin and do not Quest 18. Yet before I leave this I demand once again whether can the company of such a wicked Communicant stop the flowing streams of Gods grace in Christ from the Saints in the Sacrament or keep the life cherishing vertue of Christ from them who come rightly prepared or secondly Whether should the Saints refuse the Sacrament or unchurch themselves and separate from the Congregation for such a scandalous Communicants presence or for such a failing of the Church or the greater part of the Congregation in such a particular Ans 1 Tim. 8.22 Rev. i8 4 Luk. 22.19 I believe if a Saint discover the scandalous and do the best to hinder ●his sin of the unworthy receiver it canno● hinder Christs grace from a faithful receiver as Judas presence did not hinder the Apostles nor the incestuous person the Saints while he continued with them nor are the Saints bound to refuse the Sacrament or unchurch themselves and separate from that Congregation for this failing of the Church these Saints having performed their duties in their several places as is noted before But these particular members should rather wait on Christ in the use of all lawful and good means to have this fault of the Church reformed continue their fellowship with manifestation of their dislike in this particular And this I conceive they may
outward signes and circumstances yet the internal Grace held forth signed and sealed in both is Christ and his Benefits who is yesterday and to day and the same for ever and so though there were divers figures and types yet here are not four properly in substance but two Sacraments in the Church ordinarily for the Baptizing in the Red Sea was extraordinary Quest 14. Who hath authority as the spiritual Efficient and Author to institute and ordain such a holy Sacrament Ans None but God Gen. 17.10 11. Exod. 12.1 29. Matth. 28.19 Mark 14.22 23. the whole Trinity in common and Christ God and man in particular who is the Angel of the Covenant and of whose last Will and Testament a Sacrament is a Seal to and for the good of the Church Quest 15. Who hath authority and power as an instrument to administer such a Sacrament Answ None but the Ministers of Christ lawfully Matth. 28.19 20. Heb. 5.4 Ephes 4.7 8 c. and rightly called and authorised thereto by Christ and his Church Quest 16. what is the external matter or material cause and outward signe in the first of these Sacraments the Sacrament of Baptism Ans The external signe Matth. 3.6 Acts 8.38 Mark 7.4 1 Cor. 10.4 and seal of Baptism is the Element of Water wherewith men of ripe yeers converted to the Faith of Christ and children of beleeving Parents within the Covenant of Grace have been are and may be Baptized or washed by diving under dipping or sprinkling Heb. 12.24 and washing with water sacramentally and according to the Ordinance of Christ Quest 17. What is the internal material thing signified in this Sacrament of Baptism Iohn 3.3 5. Heb. 12.24 1 Cor. 12.13 Rom. 6.4 5 6. Gal. 3.27 1 Ioh 1.7 Rev. 1.5 Acts 22.16 2 Cor. 5.17 Titus 3.5 6 7. Matth. 28.19 Acts 14.3 4 5. Ans Christ himself and his spirit and the vertue of Christ his blood the blood of sprinkling applyed by the Spirit washing and clearsing us from our sins makeing the baptized partakers of the vertue of Christs death and Resurrection and of the Grace of Regeneration and new Creation of union and engrafting whom God the Father pleaseth into Christ in this Sacrament of Baptism Quest 18. What is the outward form of this Sacrament of Baptism Ans The outward form of Baptism on Gods part and ours is the word of Promise in the institution of the Sacrament and action and profession of Faith and manner of baptizing by dipping or sprinkling or baptizing in or into the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost Quest 19. What is the inward form of this Sacrament of Baptism Answ That mystical and sacramental union that is between the outward signes of the Sacrament Gen. 17.10 Rom. 2.29 Col. 2.11 12. Tit. 3 5. Acts 2.38 39. and 10. 47 48. and 22.16 and inward Graces of the Covenant set forth and sealed in the Sacrament by vertue of which union as the signes are attributed to the things signified and these agree with the signes so the things signified and sealed are really communicated not by vertue of the work done and to every person baptized as the Papists dream but when God seeth good to those persons that are Gods elect children and have right unto and rightly partake of this Sacrament it sealeth their Iustification Regeneration and Salvation in Christ Quest 20. What kinde of union is this between the outward signe and the thing signified in the Sacrament Ans Not a Corporall Physical or Local nor yet an imaginary union onely but a true and real union yet so as the inward Grace is not communicated to all by vertue of the work done but to Saints in Covenant by vertue of the Covenant to whom and when God pleaseth Simon Magus he wanted Acts 8.13 20. and 8.36 39. and the Eunuch enjoyed spiritual Grace and joy in beleeving when he received Baptism as the outward signe and seal of inward Regeneration of the heart so that the outward signe and inward grace are not always united together but when and to whom God please he giveth grace and sealeth it to the joy of the soul The sixteenth Classis or Company Questions 1 Question VVHo are the subjects or persons to be made partakers of this Sacrament of Baptism Matt. 28.19 29. Mark 16.16 Acts 2.38 and 8.38 Answ All that are within the Covenant of Grace are first men or women of ripe yeers embracing the Gospel and converted to beleeve in Christ repent of their sins and be new Creatures yea able and willing to make profession of the faith and graces of God in them And secondly the custome of the Church for many hundred yeers hath practised Baptizing of Infants especially of beleevers in the Church Quest 2. What grounds or proof of this do you finde that have or may be produced from Scripture that children of beleevers should be admitted to Baptism Ans Divers Reasons have been observed by Divines But first this Rule is noted by Divines That whatsoever is or may be found a command or Institution of Christ in the Old Testament or in the New either in expresse words and terms or by good and necessary consequence not upon supposition onely but true foundation in the Book of God either for moral or for positive Duty It hath sufficient authority to be commended as a Truth of Christ for the benefit of Christs Church and may hold good for substance in the New Testament as well as in the Old although in a different manner of dispensation And therefore those who cast off a Truth of Christ plainly set forth in the Old Testament because it is not in so many words held forth or expressed in the New I conceive do much derogate from Christ who was the glorious Prophet of his Church as truly in the Old Testament as in the New The same Spirit of Christ preaching to 1 Pet. 3.19 20. and in the Patriarks and by the Prophets in the Old Testament as in the New and both Moses the Prophets and Apostles being all the Amanuenses and Pen-men of the Holy Ghost The whole Scripture being written by the Inspiration the Holy Ghost not by any private Interpretation and so the whole Scripture or any part of it in the Old Testament or in the New 2 Pet. 1.19 20 21. either in expresse words or evident consequence is a sufficient ground to prove Infants Baptism or any Truth of God whatsoever Quest 3. Although this be granted yet vvhat Arguments do you finde dravvn either from the Old Testament or the Nevv for Pedobaptism or the practise of Infants Baptism in the Church Ans First you may take notice of this which followeth Whatsoever was a positive rule and institution of Christ to a beleever as a beleever either concerning himself or his children as children of a beleever for assurance of salvation by Faith in Christ and inward Circumcision of the heart according to
soul wilt thou seek my face and have me for thy Lord and Husband and Saviour Behold I have loved thee Gal. 2.20 and given my self for thee 2. The soul answering again as by consent and agreement Lord 1 Tim. 15. I know thou haste loved me to come into the World to save sinners of which I am cheif Behold thy face will I seek and I Will have yea I do receive and take thee for my Lord and my Husband and my onely Saviour Hosea 2.14 19. upon whom alone I rest for salvation and life eternal here I say is a kinde of secret covenanting and a preparation for admission as I noted before in part in the internal entrance before specified Secondly Outwardly there was first an inchoation or degree of entrance and admission into Church fellowship by desiring of Baptism the Seal of the Covenant with Christ and the Members of Christ Acts 8.16 the head of his Church as the Eunuch did desire to be baptized Secondly There was an open profession of this Faith and internal Covenant and union with Christ the Head of his Church by beleeving and so inwardly or by that inward bond of the spirit and saith with all Christs members and an open Declaration and holding forth of this Faith of Christ and beleef of it before the Church or those who had authority from Christ to admit and receive into Church fellowship as visible membership in the Church Acts 8.37 This Philip requireth of the Eunuch when he demanded or desired Baptism First Here is water saith the Eunuch what letteth but that I may be baptized Secondly Philip Answereth if thou believest with all thy heart thou mayst Thirdly the Eunuch replieth Act. 8.16 17. I believe that Iesus Christ is the Son of God I believe that Iesus Christ of whom I have read in the 53 of Isaiah and whom then Philip had preached unto him and namely Christ the Saviour Here was two things first a holding forth of the truth of the Gospel Secondly of his belief and assent thereunto and so a receiving of Christ and a hearty-covenant with Christ which moved him to desire Baptism as the seal and Sacrament of the Covenant and of admission into the Church and of Communion with the Saints Thirdly In this profession of Faith and declaration of a willingnesse to and desire of Baptism the signe and seal of the Covenant of Grace in Christ as circumcision was before is implied a Declaration that we have and do actually Covenant with Christ And as it was foretold by the Prophet Zachary as the Lord sayes ye are my people Zac. 13.9 so Gods people also say the Lord is our God First Christ saith to the soul thou art my spouse Secondly and the soul saith to Christ thou art my Lord my loving Husband And so though not in so many words outwardly yet in substance in this belief in the heart and profession or confession of Faith with the mouth and willingnesse to be baptized is an entrance by way of Covenant or witnessing that the party desiring Baptism hath entred Covenant with God in Christ which he now desired to be sealed and his admission to be compleated in Baptism 4ly A Covenant is entred and sealed in Baptism with the Head Christ and all the members of his mystical Body the party thus confessing and professing Faith and Covenant when the Church or persons authorized by it that did finde that according to Christs institution Act. 10.47 he or she had jus adrem a right unto Church-fellowship and to Baptism the seal of admission yea a kinde of inward right in the Communion and spiritual membership of Saints in Christ the Head as far as in judgement of charity they could discern thus admitted by Christ this professor of the Faith I say was baptized and so outwardly compleated and entertained as a Church member not only to the Sacrament of the Lords Supper and breaking of bread Act. 2.46 but also to all other Acts of Church fellowship which agree to a member by the Ordinance of Christs sealing in Baptism both his Covenant with God in Christ and with all the members of Christs mystical Body And thus you see how men of ripe years converted from Iudaism or Paganism to the Faith and holinesse of the Gospel had their outward admission into the Church and Communion of the Saints with Christ their Head and one with another And so far you may behold the Scripture way of admission into or making up the Body or Church of Christ Thus there were dayly added to the Church such as should be saved Act. 2.47 1 Cor. 12.27 Eph. 1.22 23. men and women converts and professors being made visible members of the Church And all particular members making up one Body of which Christ is the Head and so Saints to and with whom we must exercise our Christian love and charity Quest 26. How then may a visible Church of Christ be described by this that you have held forth Answ I conceive a true visible Church of Christ to be a company or Act. 8.17 18 c. society of professours of the true Faith of Christ and holinesse of the Gospel 2 Cor. ●● 13 and of their belief obedience and subjection thereunto united and joyned by Covenant and Covenant union unto one with Christ their Head and in Christ and with another both sealed in the Sacrament of Baptism rightly admitted and compleated according to the Scriptures by and in which they are admitted and received and approved as visible members of the Church and Body of Christ Quest 27. I like of this description if you make the matter of a visible Church to be visible Saints as you seem to intimate Rom. 1.7 Ans The matter of a visible Church certainly ought to be visible Saints if you mean Saints by profession of true Faith and true holinesse and such as desire and endeavour to walk not after the flesh Rom. 8.1 2. but after the spirit so as the Church can discern Quest 28. But what if any admitted prove offensive Ans If any declare themselves otherwise in their walkings or common course of life after their admission the Church and those in authority by Christ may and ought to cast them out upon due proofs and convictions in a due and right exercise of the Keys and power of Christ though not for every failing Matth. 18.17 1 Cor. 5. and not before other means used according to the custome and practise of the Churches of Christ Quest 29. But if this Discipline be wanting Ans For want of this although the Lord Christ hath not used in any Scripture example to un-Church a Church for any personal corruption of particular members or for the Churches neglect in this particular Revel 2.10 11 c. yet Christ hath reproved the particular Churches for this fault and that sharpely as the Scripture holdeth forth evidently unto us Quest 30. But
if Christ do not un-Church for this fault nor for personal corruptions of particular members then what say you of those particular persons men or women who will and do not onely Separate from but un-Church those Churches and Congregations where they cannot deny but the Gospel hath been comfortably preached and Sacraments administred so as they have been converted conceived in the Womb born again and received Isai 66. suck from the Brests of consolation for nourishment of the life of Grace in them Matth. 18.20 in which Churches they have often met Christ in his Ordinances of the Word and Sacraments in prayers and praises to their comfort And yet now for particular failings it may be for want of full power in the Congregation to exercise Reformation as they desire do brand the Churches and Congregations of Christ with the name of Antichrists Synagogues and the faithful painful Ministers of Christ Baals Priests Lims of Antichrist no true but false and counterfeit Churches and not Ministers of Christ indeed as they judge but of Antichrist himself Ans Truely howsoever some weak Christians may be seduced by deceivers and led into this errour yet it appears divers of these spirits have either none or but little of Christ or true Christianity in them for a man to call his mother whore it would be very uncivil and unchristian although she be sick and weak and faln into divers noysome diseases it is his duty rather to seek first to God and secondly to the Physitians and use all good means for the recovery of her health not separate from and leave her to death and desolation without respect Simile Is it a Christian course when two or three are sick or faln lame in a Family to forsake the house without taking care or affording help and assistance for recovery of a brother sister or fellow servants How will the father or master of the family take this certainly if a murderer must be destroyed when the great King Christ shall come to judgement These that kill in not endeavouring to save life shall not escape unpunished except in time God open their eyes and in and by Christ Acts 5.32 give them repentance let such then repent and return and assist in Reformation not go on in Separation from the Church Quest 31. But what if men be forbidden by Law and men of power to use those means which might by Gods blessing reform such corrupted persons or heal such sick Congregations Ans Howsoever any new course of Discipline or that great censure of excommunication may be forbidden by some acts except they be repelled and so in some course directed by authority of Parliament yet no Law forbids brotherly and neighbourly Exhortations Admonitions Reprehensions Counsels Instructions out of Gods Word Prayers and Supplications and such like and all these should be used for Reformation and not fall to a rash and offensive Separation to grieve the souls of weak Brethren and harden wicked men which it may be by good means and Gods blessing might be reformed and reclaimed as I have shewed in former Classes of this Diologue But God giveth us good hope of authority sufficient in a Christian humble way to reform our Congregations and if some blemishes be not reformed yet a Church may be a true Church if it hold forth the substantial and necessary truth of the Gospel and professed subjection thereunto though many failings and corruptions be botn in particular members and the Church in general 1 Cor. 5. Gal. 1. Revel 2. Revel 3. witnesse the Churches of Corinth of Galatia Ephesus Pergamos Sardis and Philadelphia and many other ancient and modern Churches of Iesus Christ and yet esteemed true Churches as the Church of England Scotland France Bohemia Belgia Geneva the Churches of Holland yea the Churches of London and our particular Congregations though they be too full of corruptions may and ought to be esteemed true Churches at least where true Saints are joyned together in the enjoyment of Ordinances although in mixed Congregations Quest 35. You have given me good satisfaction thus far what is a true visible Church of Christ or the matter of a Church and who are visible Members and of the houshold of faith to and with whom we may exercise our Christian love and charity But how can Infant-children of beleevers baptized in their infancy which can neither professe the Faith of Christ or their Faith in Christ nor shew any subjection to the Gosp●l agree to your description of a visible Church or how and when and in what manner can these be accounted Members of the visible Church of Christ Ans This is the next manner of admission to Church-membership to be held forth unto you to shew who are Saints and of the houshold of Faith and who is our neighbour and fellow Saint to and with whom I ought to exercise this Christian love and charity even children according to their capacity as well as men of riper yeers Quest 33. But how or in what manner have children of beleevers been admitted and esteemed or reputed members of the visible Church Ans How the children of faithful Abraham and professors of Faith were admitted in the Old Testament Gen. 17. First in infancy to the Sacrament of Circumcision and after to the Sacrament of the Passeover Exod. 12. especially when they were come to yeers of discretion so far as to be able to enquire of their parents the reason of that service Neh. 10. And so to covenant solemnly with God when they were of knowledge and understanding I have shewed before Now for children of beleevers in the New Testament there are two things to be considered First their admission unto Baptism as the children of Abraham in the Old Testament were to Circumcision in infancy and so they were used to be admitted to a true Infant-membership of and in the Church and were and are to be reputed as true visible Infant-members of and in the Church of Christ and visible Infant-saints in judgement of charity Mark 10. and such as of which is the Kingdom of God as our Saviour speaks And this is a true and compleat admission in respect of truth to outward membership though I cannot call it a compleat and perfect membership in respect of perfect visibility and declarative subjection to the faith and profession of the Gospel which they are to declare themselves when they come to yeers of discretion as before in part I observed Quest 34. What reason is for this Ans The cause of those four particulars in Baptism we declared in the example of the Eunuchs baptizing 1. A desire of Baptism 2. A profession of Faith in Christ and subjection unto it 3. An intimation of Covenant and an embracing of Christ and Faith and Covenant union with Christ the head of his Church and in him with members of his mystical body 4. And last of all the receiving of the seal as a patient and
they were not true Ministers of the Gospel because ordained by a Bishop and a company of Presbyters according to the ancient practise of the Church Secondly I say the Ministers of Christ have had a twofold vocation or calling to that office Acts 20.18 18. and 13.1 2 3. 1 T t .4.14 First extraordinary by Christ Himself as the Apostle and Saint Paul had And Secondly more ordinarily by the Apostles and Elders of the Church and by the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery as the Scripture held forth unto us as Paul left Titus Tit. 1.3 4. Act. 20 2● Bishop Titus or overseer Titus as Saint Paul calleth the Bishops or Elders of Ephesus far different from our late Bishops or overseers in many respects the manner commonly by laying on of hands of Presbyters and a Bishop or overseer not as a Bishop of later stamp but as a Presbyter and overseer of old have Ministers of Christ been ordained and after ordination sent and received of particular Churches And howsoever some corruptions have crept into the manner of Ordination and although some ordained Presbyters have turned Popes and Popish Bishops and some Popish Bishops with a company of Presbyters have examined approved and ordained Ministers and given outward Ordination and Authority to preach the Gospel yet this cannot nullifie the call of a Minister of Christ if he be called and gifted inwardly and inabled by Christs spirit with gifts fit for the ministerial office as all the outward calling and approbation by a particular Congregation maketh not an illiterate cobler or other mechanick to be a true Minister of Christ when Christ hath not furnished him with gifts and graces fit for so high and honourable a calling Thirdly We who are Ministers of Christ receive not our calling from Antichrist but from Christ and our Ordination for substance is truly Christian not Antichristian Howsoever some Antichristianly affected might sometimes have had a hand in Ordination the Gospel of Christ hath been conveyed to Reformed Churches yea to separate congregations themselves to such as separate themselves from Babylon it may be by the hands and means of Romish Babylon God hath made the servants of Antichrist to be his servants in this that they have been porters and carriers to bring the holy Scriptures unto the Reformed Churches by the hands of glorious Reformers in the Churches of Christ and yet the Scriptures are the true Word of God and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ for all this And so are our Ministers true Ministers of Christ though their outward Ordination had been carried through the polluted hands of some Antichristianly affected Bishops and Presbyters who did sit in place as Scribes and Pharisees did sit in Moses chair But we say further Mat. 23.1 2 3. as God did extraordinarily call and gifted the Apostles and Ministers in the Primitive times and they ordained others in the Church whose Ministery the Lord did blesse for the propagation of the Gospel So did the Lord wonderfully stir up and in an extraordinary manner call Luther Calvin and others in the Reformed Churches And so Reverend Bishop Cranmer Ridley Latimer and other godly Martyrs Bishops and Ministers of Christ by whose hand their successors the faithful Ministers in the Churches of Christ in England received their outward ordination but their inward from Christ himself and his spirit by whose grace the Lord hath made our Ministery glorious in the conversion of many thousand souls to God and building up of as glorious Saints as any ever was in the Christian world since the Primitive times yea even the Separatists themselves 1 Cor. 4 15. who now deny us to be the true Ministers of Jesus Christ must needs confesse that we have been their spiritual Fathers in Christ and have begotten them again to God through the Gospel yea Gal. 4.19 we as tender Mothers have travelled in birth again in our painful Ministery until Christ hath been formed in them all though now in a most ingrateful manner they dishonour their parents and sin against Christ the Lord of his Church Quest 43. This I suppose is sufficient to satisfie any humbled soul not filled too much with pride self-conceit and the spirit of division and separation as too many are in these dayes But yet some object That howsoever Ministers outward approbation and ordination may be passed over and they be lawful Ministers yet what lawful call have they to particular Congregations and places Ans I answer Patrons of Churches and congregations were and have been honoured and trusted with the nomination and presentation of Ministers to particular Churches but so as none ought to have been put upon any congregation but such as ought to have been well approved of by the Bishop who had a trust reposed in him also for sufficiency and ability for the work of the Ministery and for holinesse of life and and conversation which when and where the trust was rightly performed and the Ministers have been faithful labourers in the Lords harvest and after admission approved of by the faithful and godly party in a Parochial Congregation certainly there was a call sufficient and a sufficient union and form of union between Pastor and people to make up in this respect a true Church of Christ Secondly Howsoever this trust both in Patrons and Bishops hath been most grosly abused by corrupt Simoniacal Patrons most unconscionably seeking to thrust wicked Ministers they cared not whom upon the people and carelesse Bishops neglecting that trust reposed in them yet the failings herein was not enough to un-church a Church where yet the Gospel hath been preached and Sacraments administred for substance according to the institution of Christ though here as in Corinth Galatia and Jerusalem many faults might be found to stand in need of Reformation And howsoever no face of a Church might for a time appear 1 Kin. i9 14 Ier. 3.15 as in Jerusalem for a time yet God in many places have given Pastors after his own heart to feed his people with knowledge and understanding and where the Candlestick hath been removed for a time or at least a Candle shut up as in a dark lanthorn God at prayers of his people hath removed a carelesse shepherd and in his due time restored comfort in a faithful Minister to his people and so still continued and preserved the Churches of Christ amongst us yea both for matter and form sufficient to constitute a Church howsoever there hath been some failings in both Quest 44. You have in some measure cleared this Objection Yet how are our Churches rightly constituted in respect of a formal union of members one with another Ans I conceive there is a twofold union First a civil union as in division of Kingdoms Provinces Cities or Parishes And as God hath in this providence united men in habitation and course Act. 17.26 and means of livelyhood God having determined the times before appointed
discover and learn to flye from all that false Antichristian light of superstitious Will-Worship of God by mens inventions contrary to the light of Christ in the light of his Word aqd this Law or commanding part of his will and word in particular Mat. 15.9 By this true light of Christ you may finde out the falshood of those blinding lights who set up the false light of natural reason corrupted since Adams fall without the enlightning of the spirit of Christ Rationis lumen quo Deus ns donavit ostendit non debere nec posso paenam corporalem quam unus debea ab alio persolvi Sociuus Tract de Salvatore above the light of Christ in the scripture as if it were no further to be believed then the sense can agree with the right reason as they call it of their darkned understanding by which as the wicked Arrians they question the Divinity of the Son of God and the All-sufficient satisfaction of Christ for poor sinners Isa 53.5 6. Ioh. 1.12 1 Cor. 2.14 a most abominable error odious to every true Christian whatsoever and most contrary to the light of Christ revealed in Scripture which is sometimes above not contrary to right Reason enlightned by the spirit of Christ By this light of Christ you may see evidently that odious hateful false light of the Mahometan Alcaron upheld by Turkish Tyranny to the miserable slavery and destruction of many thousands I may say the same of those false lights of the Councel of Trent Conc. Trident Decret 1. Sess 4. de Tradit Conc. Trid. de Interpret Script Decret ● Sess 4. making unwritten Traditions of equal Authority with the written Word of God and the Church of Rome the Judge of all Interpretations of Scripture as Cardinal Bellarmine maketh the Pope chief Iudge as being the Church vertual and having infallibility of spirit as he vainly pretends when as in truth his light is darknesse a blinde leader of the blinde to error and destruction I might name the Arminian false light that gilded Popery the Antinomian false light I mean not such Orthodox men who Preach Christ clearly a justifier and sanctifier and love the Law of God the commanding part of the will and word of God as Christ by his light holdeth it forth in Scripture But Antinomian enemies to the Law of God indeed their light is a false light easily discovered by the true light of Christ Others there are not worth the naming who go about like Guido Fauks with the dark Lanthern of Errors A Memento of Nov. 5. 1605. to blow up the Parliament house of the true light of Christ from the Saints if the Lord did not hold forth the light of Christ in grace to quicken them by his Spirit of truth unto glory I say no more of any these false lights but desire the true light Christ if it be his blessed will may bring them from darknesse to light and from the power of Satan unto God Acts 26.18 reconciled in Christ Iesus Again if Christ be such a light the true light Then how should every Christian soul highly prize this true light Christ above all false wandring uncertain dangerous light wha●soever new or old for this light Lux vera et sincara nil ficti habeus Christ and his light is true light without any counterfeit at all and who will not prise truth above fallehoodjts not a true precious Diamond far more valued then a counterfeite Is not pure Gold far more excellent then guilded Lead or Copper what woman will not prise a rich chaine of precious Pearle above any counterfeit Beads or Glasse or the like what hungry man will value a painted banquet above a solid feast was not the Land of Goshen where was light far more sweet and comfortable then Egypt where was darknesse that might be felt Exod. 10.23 even so is Chr●st and his light excelling the darknesse of all false lights in the world look upon the light of Christ it is pure cleare and Genuine as it hath not falsehood so it hath no obscurity in it It is Christs owne proper light as the light of the Sun not borrowed as the light of the Moone if it seem dark to men at any time it is because some Cloud or mist of ignorance or unbeliefe cometh between a soule and Christ Yea Christ is a full and perfect light the light of Christ it self admitteth no lessening no decrease the Moon the more it draweth from the Sun the more her light decreaseth But Christs light doth not diminish at all if any darknesse seem to be it is the weaknesse of our eyes not able to behold the glorious light of Christ as sick eyes cannot look upon the Sun in his glory If Iohn Baptist was a burning Iohn 5.35 Iohn 1.8 and a shining light who was not that true light how much more Christ who is the true light it self by whose brightnesse we may see the glory of a reconciled God 2 Cor. 4.6 as in the Face of Christ The light of Christ is full of vertue to drive away all darknesse from a soule The Land that sate in darknesse Mat. 4.13 c. and in the sh●ddow of death unto them hath the light shined and then darknesse flieth away Christ shineth in the midle of darknesse He is truly a light to lighten the hearts and the glory or Gods people Israel Luke 2.31 32. He driveth away the darknesse of ignorance out of the minde and understanding and causeth light of Divine and heavenly knowledge to shine into the Soule as it is with the light of a candle brought into a dark Dungeon it expelleth darknesse and light shineth in the place So it is with the light of Christ when he cometh into a darkned soul he driveth out the darknesse of error and light of truth shineth in the place thereof He driveth out the darknesse of unbelief when a soul walketh in darknesse and seeth no light yet when the light of Christ cometh shining into a soul and revealing the light of Divine truth inclosed in the promises the sparks of faith which were as it were raked up in the Embers they are kindled and the flame of faith shineth as a light with joy and peace in believing yea Christ brings the light of joy to a troubled conscience Phil. 4.7 and peace of God which passeth all understanding And how then is the light of Christ precious How is it to be rested in as satisfactory above all other lights whatsoever And how should every soul that liveth and walketh in darknesse draw nigh to Christ for light for he lightneth every man that cometh into the world all that receive light they do and must receive it in and through Christ whether light of Justification or light of Sanctification or light of glory O then my soul come into Christ for increase of light come near to Christ and meet him often in his
7.51 Prov. 20.25 Malac. 3.8 9. or resist or revile or discontent the Ministers of Jesus Chrst in or about their Ministeriall office or any other unlawful wayes is a sin Fifthly to take away or keepe back from them any part of that honorable maintenance or countenance which is due unto them by the Ordinance of the Lord Jesus 1 Thess 5.17 Galat. 6.6 7. is sacriledge a robbing and mocking of God and an odious sinne and more particularly what is approved of by the lawfull Magistrate Iohn 15.20 21. Iohn 16.1 2 3. Acts 9.25 2 Cor. 11.32.33 Luke 11.49 50. Acts. 8.2 3 Acts 9.4 5 Luk. 19.27 2 Sam 6.7 Sixthly to persecute betray or not to defend and preserve the Ministers of Jesus Christ by all lawfull and good meanes in their lives goods good names and especially in and for the execution of their Ministeriall office is a sinne and the property and marke of wicked men whom Christ will one day take for his enemies who refuse to have him to rule over them Seventhly for any to intrude themselves into the office of Christs Ministers 2 Chron. 26.19 20. or to usurpe a Ministeriall office in the Church of Christ for which he hath no call from Christ nor ground or title from the Word of God Heb. 5.4 is certainly a sin an odious sin against Christ Jesus Quest 34. You have revealed by Scripture and light from Christ in the Scripture what are the duties required and the sinne● forbidden both of Christs Ministers an● of the people over whom the holy Ghost hat● made them overseers and in particula● how the people ought to receive reverence and countenance their Ministers Pastors and Teachers and give them that honorable maintenance which is due to Gods Ministers by Divine right and according to the Ordinances of the Lord Christ But is there any promise of blessing or any such encouragement to those who do thus receive honour and pay freely that honorable Maintenance that is due to God for his service and to Gods Ministers for their labour and service according to the O●dinance of Christ Ans Yea verily the Scripture holdeth forth diverse promises to this effect Prov. 3.9.10 as that in the Proverbs Honour the Lord with thy substance and with the first fruits of all thy increase so shall thy Barnes be filled with plenty and thy Presses shall burst out with new Wine thou shalt be sure if thou honour God in his service or faithfull servants 1 Sam. 2.30 God will honour thee yea the Lord biddeth his people to trie and prove him if they would bring in the maintenance of his Ministery and service as they ought Malac. 3.10 11. if he would not open the Windowes of Heaven and powre a blessing upon them and he would blesse and not curse their increase and Christ saith hee Mat. 10.40 41. that receiveth his Disciples and Ministers receiveth him and they that receive a Prophet in the Name of a Prophet shall receive a Prophets reward so that there is great encouragement for Saints and all Gods people to perform their duties herein Quest 35. Is there any thinke you that love the Lord Iesus that will not love and honour his faithfull Ministers and willingly give them all respect due to them by the Ordinance of Christ Ans Certainly all men have not faith and some are unreasonable and wicked men 2 Thess 3.2 who love not Christ nor his Ministers I have heard divers Ministers complaine Gens 47.22.26 2 Chron. 36.16 17. that in some parts they have beene used far worse then the Egyptians used their Priests they finde no favour but have been subject to divers abuses which was a fearfull sinne that once brought a forraigne enemy upon Gods owne people But now we hope better things that as the Lord hath honoured those who are in high places so he will honour them with one grace more to take care that there may be faithfull and honorable Ministers placed in every congregation in the Kingdome 1 Tim. 5.71 and that they may have an honorable maintenance duly payd them according to the Ordinance of Christ 1 Cor. 9.14 Quest 36. I have received good satisfaction for the duties of Ministers Pastors and Teachers in the church of Christ and the peoples duties unto them both in respect of reverence and maintenance But what is your judgement I pray you hath Christ appointed no government in his Church and so no governours who as Fathers are to be honoured and who are to be as Rulers in the Church for right ord●●ing of Christs discipline for Gods glory and the good of his Church what light from Christ to direct in this Ans Yes certainly as the Scripture holdeth forth the Lord Christ himselfe to be the chiefe Lord and Governour Isaia 2.6 7 Mich. 5.2 Mat. 2.6 yea the King of his Church and the Governement to be upon his shoulder so when the Lord Christ ascended up into Heaven and led captivity captive and gave gifts unto men as hee gave some to be Apostles and some Prophets some Pastors and Teachers Eph. 4 11 12. c. 1 Tim. 5.17 Rom. 12.8 for the perfecting of the Saints for the worke of the Ministery for the edifying of the body of Christ so hee hath given Elders 1 Cor. 12.28 Acts 6.1 2 3. Rom. 12.7 Rulers and Governments or helpes in Government as Overseers Deacons Ministers and Officers for the good of the Church of Christ Quest 37. But who are these Elders and Officers that are to have government in the Church Ans First it is evident in Scripture that the same men who are called in Scripture Presbyters Acts 20.17 28. or Elders and Rulers they are called Overseers or Bishops and Pastors 1 Tim. 5.17 such as must labour in the word and Doctrine and not only take heede to all the flocke over which the holy Ghost hath made them overseers Titus 1.5 6 7 8 9. But feede the Church of God which hee hath purchased with his own blood Acts 29.28 So that it is evident that the same men who are Pastors and Teachers have authority from Christ to be Elders 1 Pet. 5.2 3 4. and Rulers in the Church although they are not to lord it over Gods heritage but to be ensamples to the flock as St. Seter holdeth forth the light of Christ unto the Church Quest 38. Are there no other Elders or Ruling Officers in the Church but Pastors and Teachers and such as labour publikely in Preaching and so in the word and doctrin Ans Divers learned men do affirme from that place of the Apostle to Timothy Aretius Pisc●tor Beza in 1 Tim. 5.17 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 1 Cor. 12.28 Heb. 13.17 24. The Church of G●neva The Chu ch of Scotland And Holland Fr●nce N●w England and n●w England the Elders that Rule well are worthy of double honour especially those that labour in Word and