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A14347 A discourse or traictise of Petur Martyr Vermilla Flore[n]tine, the publyque reader of diuinitee in the Vniuersitee of Oxford wherein he openly declared his whole and determinate iudgemente concernynge the sacrament of the Lordes supper in the sayde Vniuersitee.; Tractatio de sacramento eucharistiae. English Vermigli, Pietro Martire, 1499-1562.; Udall, Nicholas, 1505-1556. 1550 (1550) STC 24665; ESTC S119144 134,300 226

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he might conclude that the sonne of God also is naturally ioyned to the father in very substaunce The prouing therfore of Hilarius cōclusiō renneth thus If the sonne of God did truly verily take the nature or substaunce of man vpō hym he agreeth with vs naturally in his fleshe we bee sayed to abide in him be cause he hath oure nature in hym And agayn for the other side when we receyue the meate which was instituted of Christe yf we dooe truely and veraily receyue his fleshe we are partakers with hym naturally and he doeth trulye and veraily abide in vs. And thus doeth Hilarius take and frame his argumente of the veritee and trueth of the sacramentes whiche veritee or to bee in the sacramentes we dooe not denye And this was a common custome emong the auncient wryters to fetche the grounde of theyr argumentes out of the Sacramentes as thinges most perfitly knowē to al Christē mē And of al these thinges there is not one iote that is contrary to our sentence and determinacion For it is no part of Hilarius entente to proue that Christes fleashe lieth hidden vnder the accidentes of bread or in this sacrament but he maketh proufe onely and so concludeth that we bee truely and verayly ioyned vnto Christes fleshe whan we receyue the sacrament which thing we do not deny nor say agaynst But ye that make so muche a do for transubstanciacion marke me this poinct that the same self Hilarius a litle before these wordes whiche he writeth of Eucharistia doeth say the very same thinge of baptisme that through baptisme we be ioyned vnto Christ euery on● of vs to other not only by an vnion of consent agreyng to gether in minde will but also in an vnitie of nature substaunce Wherfore it the same thinge so be than are ye cōpelled driuen of force to putte a trāsubstanciacion in Baptisme too yf ye beeyng a transubstanciacion into the sacrament of Eucharistia for the respect aboue mencioned Chrisostome doeth not muche varie from this custome of framing his argumentes out of the sacramentes For in his eightie eighte Homelie vpon the ghospell of Mathew he sayeth as we alledged before that these bee the signes or Sacramentes of oure Lorde Iesus with the whiche wee do both brydle and stop the mouthes of Heretiques For they oftentimes saie howe did Christe suffer And we on oure side obiecte agaynst them again If Christ had not verai true natural fleash in dede thā are these signes but vain thinges whych thing foloweth veray well For els the sacramentes shoulde signifye and represente vnto vs feigned thynges And thus the mouthes of the Manichees of the Marcionites and of suche other pernicious heretiques wer stopped of Chrisostome and suche others as he was As touchyng Leo byshope of Rome An aūswere to Leo Bysshoppe of Rome there is no cause why to take muche ca●e or peine to aunswer him For he in the sentence and determinacion of the sacramentes that is layd vnto vs doth both graūt a mystycal dystribucyon of it to mo then one and also dooeth putte a spirytuall nourishyng and an heauenly vertue and affyrmeth that we bee transfourmed and chaunged into Chrystes fleashe as he tooke our fleashe and nature vpon him They bryng Emisenus againste vs whose woordes bee reade in the tytle De consecratione that is to saye Emisenus aunswered vnto of consecration and in the second distinction But ther if thou looke well thou shalt finde these woordes Mente attingas et manu cordis accipias corpus Christi● that is to saye touche thou Chrystes bodye wyth thy mynde and take thou his bodye wyth the hande of thy herte In the whyche woordes it is plain that he dooeth affyrme and holde that we dooe eate Chrystes bodye spirytually when we receue the sacrament And he moreouer byndeth earnestly as the other olde wryters dooe vpon the chaungeyng of vs into Chryst whych chaūgeinge neuerthelesse is doen as we see without any transubstancyatynge of vs. I knowe that many men maye meruaile why we so often times dooe matche that same chaungeing whyche the olde wryters seme to speake of in the sygnes or sacramentes wyth the chaungyng of vs into Chryst whyche they all dooe graunte and constauntly affyrme And some men dooe imagin that there is another manier of ioygnynge betwene Chrystes bodye and the sacramente then there is betwene vs and Chrystes bodye and that therefore thys proporcion and comparisō hath no place in this matier although the old wryters affirme avouche both chaunginges To suche persones we aunswer and saye that oure argumente is moste pithie and strong For the reason dooeth argue as the Logicyans termes be a maiore ad minus that is to saye from the more necessarye requisyte to the lesse and that regatiuely that is to saye in the waye of denyinge a thing to bee so or so For ther is a greater coniunction and couplyng together of Chryste vnto vs and to suche as dooe receyue the communion then there is of Chryste wyth these outwarde signes of the sacramente For somuche therfore as in vs to bee knitte vnto Christ and to bee made one wyth hym there is no transubstanciacion required muche lesse is there any suche transubstanciacion requyred in the sayd outward sygnes of the sacramēte And that we be more nere ioygned and knitte vnto Chryste then the outeward signes of the sacramente we are more nere ioyned ●o Chris● thē the signes it is manifestli proued by this reason that the ioynyng of Christe with the sayde sygnes was first inuented deuised and wrought to none other ende but the we might be ioigned to Christ made one with hym as aforsaid Morouer y● wordes of holi scripture pronoūce before the receyuyng of the Sacrament● the holy spirite by which two thinges the signes be cōsecrated do much lesse appertaine belong to the sayde said signes then they do appertaine be long to man that receyueth y● signes And as touchyng Theophylactus we saie that he is but a newe wryter and a man that wrote but of late dayes Theophilactus aunswered vnto and paraduenture that chaunced to lyue in those daies whan many doubtes and disputacions be gonne to bee moued aboute thys transubstanciacyon that is to wete Nycolas the byshop of Rome at what tyme Ranfrancke and Berengarius were alyue Morouer Theophylactus was a man of no great iudgemente as it maie full well appere by hys declaracyon and exposicyon of the thyrde chapytur of the ghospell of Iohn towardes the later ende of the chapytur where he ch●cketh expressely by name the latin Churche concernynge the procedynge of the holy Ghoste because the latin Churche hade determined that the procedinge of the holy Ghoste is from the father and the soonne Therfore we wyll not thinke nor repute his aucthoritye to be of so greate weight that it ought to bee preiudicyall to the trueth Yet neuerthelesse leat vs ponder weighe his woordes he
saieth that the bread is not a signe of Christes body this he sayeth vpon Mathewes Ghospell which thyng is well spoken if he mene that y● bread is not an emptye figure or a vain figure void of al strēgth efficacy Neither do we saie that the bred is suche a signe or figure And we do nothīg doubt but y● this was his interpretaciō mening in dede for because that vpō Markes gospel he saith that the bread is not a figure not onely For els if he shoulde vtterly denye that the bread is a signe or a figure of Christes bodi he should be contrary to the rest of the fathers and olde writers whom we haue alredy plainly declared to graunte and putte bothe a sygne and a fygure to bee heere in this sacramente He saieth also that the bread is transformed conuerted and chaunged from the elemente and matier that it was afore into an other Whiche maniers of speaking if he vnderstande and mene Sacramentally we dooe not abhorre from them For the breade and wyne become sacramentes they passe bee chaunged into elementes that is to saye matyers of heauenly thynges and they putte on as it were a newe garmente and shape to bee nowe the sygnes and tokens of an higher matier But saye they thys Theophylactus wryteth that the fleashe and the bloude for thys cause bee not seen leste oure stomackes shoulde stande agaynste the receyuynge of it But if thou what soeuer thou bee wilt so eagrely and so sore bynde vpon these woordes we for oure parte laye agaynst the agayne the wordes that the same Theophylactus wryteth vpon Markes ghospell whyche are that the kyndes or symylitudes of breade and wyne bee turned into the vertue or strength of the lordes bodye and bloud That if thou wilt allege that the sayd Theophylactus dooeth in all other places not saye into the vertue c. But into Christes boddye and bloud The kindes and similitudes of breade and wine cōuerted into the vertue of Christes body bloude we aunswere that the interpretacion of these wordes is that these sygnes take vnto them the vertue of the thynges whyche they signyfye by reason of the whyche vertue the sacramentes bee of no lesse effecte then if the v●raithyng self wer there present And as I haue sayed the yrkesomnes and abhorrynge of it is taken away yf we putte that the chaunge is made not into the thinge but in to the vertue of the thing Hys other sentence semeth to bee somewhat more violēte and of some more force vehemencye● whych he wroote vpon the sixth chapytur of Ihons ghospell where he thus sayeth As the breade that Chryste did eate whyles he lyued here in yearthe was chaunged into his fleashe by a naturall transubstanciation or chaungeyng after the common rate of foode and nourishement in mannes bodye so is this breade chaunged into Christes body here in the Sacramente Yet this similitude and comparison we graunte also to bee true yf it bee generally taken For in this sacrament also we dooe not denye but there is a chaunge Sacramentall that is to saye suche as in a Sacrament is required That if thou saye thou wylte nedes take this similitude euen plainly as it is made and as it souneth whiche is that the breade bee as verayly chaunged in the Sacramente of Eucharistia as breade was turned into Christes fleshe at suche tymes as he eate it whiles he here lyued than wyll there folowe an inconuenience cleane contrary to thyne owne sentence and determination For it wyll folowe that the accidentes of the signes cannot remayne or be reserued still in the Sacramente of Eucharistia For in thee foode and sustenaunce that Christe tooke frome time to tyme whiles he liued the ac●identes did not remayne Besydes the premisses I wyll here allege for our purpose the woordes of the same selfe expositour vpon the sixth chapitur of Iohns gospell vpon these woordes he that eateth my fleashe and drynketh my bloude abideth in me and I in hym c. Upon whiche woordes Theophylactus expounyng them in the persone of Christ saith that this thyng is dooen whiles the partie is quodammodo that is to saye in a manier mingled and ioygned vnto me and is chaunged ouer into me Where thou seest agayne that Theophilactus holdeth as the reste of the fathers and wryters dooe holde that there is so great a chaungeyng of vs into Christe that he wryteth vs to bee chaunged ouer and dooe passe into Christe And thus muche I saye at this present for aunswere of that that was broughte in and allegedde agaynste vs out of Theophylactus Of the later wryters they bryng Anselmus and Hugo Anselmus and Hugo aunswered vnto and Rycharde whiche were in the tyme of Uictor But fora●muche as in the tyme of these menne the doctrine of transubstanciacion was now already perforce thrust into the lappe of the churche and the people compelled to receyue it the sayde wryters in suche woorkes as they made didde accordyng to the tyme so that the newe inuencion of suche oug●te not to haue place to the preiudice of the mooste aunciente opynyon of the churche and of the determinacion of the olde auncient fathers Iohn Damascene aūswered vnto But one mā emong all others they seme to haue most highe in price and this is Iohn Damascene who in the fourthe booke and fowerteenthe chapitur of his worke of the right feith Hath verai largely wrytē of this matier But I fynd that this Damascene liueth vnder the Greke Emperour Leo Isanricus so that betwene the tyme of Gregorius Magnus bishop of Rome and thissame Ihon Damascene it was a full nye hundred and twentie yeares space at the leaste The time of Damascene whan he li●ed And wheras now alreadye in the tyme of Gregorie many poinctes of supersticion and manye thynges of mānes inuenciō wer come by heapes into the Churche the matier did euery daye from that tyme forward renue still headlong to wurse wurse By reason wherof it is no meruaile at al if this Damascene stumbled vpon many pointes that wer both vntru and also ful of supersticion The iugemēt of Damascene in diuerse Articles of doc●trine And as for his iudgement how good and how great it was as well in arcticles and pointes of doctrine as also in expounyng of the holy scriptures we haue a sample good enough For he is a wonderous great fauourer of Images and susteyned both great and sore daungiers mo then one for vpholdynge and maynteining of them yea and in this selfsame fourth booke he wrote a seuerall chapitur of a sette purpose concernyng the same matier of Images where his mynde sentence is that Images not onelye are to bee made but also to be honoured and wurshypped Besides this he so highly estemed the reliques of sainctes and holy men whiche are now in rest that he appointed vnto them also a certayne chapitur for the nonce in whiche he feared not to