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A07811 A iust and moderate answer to a most iniurious, and slaunderous pamphlet, intituled, An exact discouery of Romish doctrine in case of conspiracie and rebellion Wherein the innocency of Catholike religion is proued, and euery obiection returned vpon the Protestant accuser, and his owne profession. With licence of superior. Broughton, Richard. 1606 (1606) STC 18188; ESTC S112914 49,079 64

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with whome Io de Turrecrem Augustin●s de Ancona Castro and other Diuines consent which C●nsure Wickcl●ffe and hi● Protestant succ●ssors did imp●●e vppon P●inc●s and temporall Magistrates eyther for h●r●si● or any other ●rime Others as S●●us ●anus and Cordubensi● affir●e in that 〈…〉 ●o be depos●d And such ●● the discipline of the Chu●ch of God that these men and all Catho●ike ●cho●les euen in Rome it selfe as confid●nt●y disp●t th●s● q●estions for wh●●●a●se h●w and when and by Panormita● sup ca● Significa●●i Canonist in c. Si P●●● whom Popes may be d●posed a● they do● eith●r speake or write of the greatest p●iui●edges of th●t Apostolike See And Panormitanus a Canonist with others i● so confident in this businesse that they teach a Pope may be d●posed for any sinne that is scandalous to the Ch●●ch of Christ if he be inc●●rigible Fiftly the present Professor● which handle this q●●stion betweene Popes a●d P●inces doe not holde any sin●ul●r opinion tending to the indignitie or dommage of any Pr●testant Regent more than to all oth●rs in equ●ll termes b●● what is now by them main●ained was publike d●ctrine befo●e Protestancie had either pr●nce or pe●ple to e●brace ●t and at t●i● ti●e do iustifie ●he like sen●●nce c●ncerning all Catholi●e Rulers in ●q●all ballaunce of comp●●ison and ●hat openly w●thout ●●proofe in th●ir owne dom●●●ons Sixtly to giue contentment to all that will not be contentious or ●ff●ct to be singular in persec●●ing or domag●ng ●he Church of God Th●●e Authors doe not s●y that ●he 〈◊〉 power ●● simp●y and ●●●olutely subiect to the Papall and Sp●r●tuall au●hori●ie but in case of iniuries offered or great imp●diment of the spiritual good more preeminent then the t●mporall And in such c●uses euen in temporall affaires and among such powers and Princes iniuries offered and iust right denied or hindered giueth a prerogatiue to equalles iure belli among Kings and ciuill Regents to recouer their owne redeeme their wrong ●equite their iniuries where the offendor denieth to make requitall Therefore seeing this Discouerer cannot finde anie such ciuil power soueraigne ouer Kinges challenged by Popes and against which hee so much inueigheth nor any other more peculiarly intended against Protestant Princes then all others in like proceedings let him draw his weapon against those by whome he is assaulted in this kind First against the Canonists and the Legists euen in England and of the Arches except they will dissent from the more receaued opinion of like prof●ssors secondly against himselfe all Protest●nt write s. Against the first bicause which is his case in question they defend that the empror is lord of all the world insom●ch that Bartholus the great Leg●s● affirmes Ba●thol in extra●ag ad rep imen glosse per venerab Qui filii c. that peraduenture it is h●resie to te●ch the contrary 〈…〉 saith he it is against the scripture Exist ed●ctum à Caesare v● d●●●r●beretur or●is where the whole wo●ld and Princes thereof were at his designement And which the Protestants alleadge for tempor●ll Princes supremacie omnis anima potestatibus sublimiorjbus subdita sit therefore as he reasoneth all Princes be subiect to him as the highest power And in this case of Armes and death which this man so often obiecteth the cause is more daungerous in respect that in the whole papall and canon law of the Popes there is no penaltie of death against any hereticke or excommunicate neyther is such punnishement to bee inflicted by any spirituall Iudge or executioner But that kinde of reuenge or justice is only Codic haeret leg Adrian et Cod●c de Iudaeis leg Quicunque prouided by the emperiall and ciuill Constitutions and by temporall Authority and brach●um scecuiare to be put in practise Lastly lett him battaile against himselfe and his Protestant Protestants Religion of all others is the greatest e●nemy to Princes and Catholique worship the most fauourable brethren which of all people in the wo●lde that euer were or be are the most guilty in these proceedings as I will at large demonstrate hereafter and Catholikes of all most innocent For seeing all professors of Religion Israelites P●gans Catholikes Protestants and all others euer prescribed some meanes and manner to keepe both Rulers and the ruled in order of all people to whom that authority was attributed by any The Popes of Rome proportion of time and place cousidered haue beene the actors of the fewest translations of titles in Princes Not aboue foure or fiue examples can be giuen in the whole christian worlde in aboue 1500 yeares and not many excommunications from the first of ●hillip●e the first Christian Emperour as some suppose by the Eusch histor Pope of Rome or of Archad●●s by Pope Innoc n●●us the first within 400 yeares after Christ when the Prophettes and Priests of Nice●hor h●st in Arc●ad Iurie deposed more in one Kingdome and the excesse of the Paans is not to be recited And the Protestants themselues since their originall haue deposed as many or ●ore th●n all the Popes in to many yeares and that onelie for Religion when for that qua●r●ll not one Prince in the Popedome hath lost his Diademe nor any without common consent of the Christian worlde For Protestants I instance in the Prince of Geneua deposed and in the King of Spaine and the present Arche-duke in the Lowe Countries expelled from their Right the Kinge of Polonia in Sweueland at this present in litle better estate the Queene Regent in Scotland so made a subiect and his Maiesties mother deposed the Emperour denied his allowance of tribute for the Turkishe warres his Townes taken and ●ept against him the Duke of Loraine and others in the like predicament And the violent attempts which they haue vndertaken by rebellion ag●inst their Princes for this quarrell of Religion haue beene more then all excommunications of Princes by Popes for any respect what●oe●er the particulars will appeare in their proper place And whence can all these impious practises proceed with so gener●ll ap●l●●●e but from their most impious and rebellious publiqu● position you haue heard before that the proces of Popes is such in this busines that no Prince except more wicked th●n any now liuing or as vnfo●tunate as some foure or fiue in all the time of Christian●ty in the worlde neede stand in daunger Contrariewise by Protestant religion no sinner or no King Const Concil in a●● Wickcl Lu●●●● to 6. pag. 〈…〉 Luth. Cal●in in Dan. Suingl lib. 4. Philipp Nichol. fund●m Caluin Sect c. Luther denieth all obedience to Princes differing from him in Religion calling them Pilates Tyrants Herods Iudas and that his Protestants handes must be imbrued with bloud in such cases Caluin telleth that ipso facto they are bereaued If no permission of Swinglius doctrine no Prince with him and all bee Martirs that be slaine in rebellion for that quarrell The english Protestant Confer 14. 1604 pag. 47. Luther lib. capt Babyl Notes
of these kindes that is intending designing or practising the murther of Princes Ergo I answer that the late Lord Treasurer reputed the Author of the booke intituled The execution of Iustice c. was thought in his daies to be a man not second to many in politicall wisedome and affaires of Common-wealth And I thinke much to be preferr●d before this Discouerer for Execut. of Iust place and wisedome and yet he will tell vs the quite contrary to this assertion That there w●re many Catholike Priests and Bishops also in this kingdome which although they were depriued of their preferments and impr●●oned by Queene Elizabeth yet they were so farre from being contained within the circuite of this mans proposition that they be dignified by that wise Counceller with these titles faithfull and quiet subiects very quiet subiects inclined to dutifulnesse to the Queenes Maiesty and the like And for such hee reciteth very many famous men Doctor Heath Archbishop of Yorke Doctor ●oole Bishop of Peterborough Doctor Tunstall Bishop of Durham Bishops of Winchester Carlile Ely Lincolne together with Abbots Deanes c. Therefore by this authority the obiecters generall proposition of all Priests guiltinesse cannot be true But he vrgeth That all Priests professe it lawfull to take Armes against their Kings and what other meaning saith he can Armes haue but blood I haue answered him before that this is false by the cheefe Protestants declaration of many Priests quietnesse loyalty and obedience Secondly I tell this disputer that he hath made a sound argument to proue all the Protestant Ministers of England Scotlund France Heluetia Germany Sweueland and other Nations before with their confederate Protestants conuinced of sedition for taking or perswading Armes against their Soueraignes to be likewise guilty of the blood and murther of those Princes in their designements If Armes can haue no other meaning but onely blood as this bloody Sentencer affirmeth for all the world can witnesse that they tooke Armes against their Rulers But against Catholikes which know both an offensiue and defensiue warre his bloody iudgement can giue no deadly wound though he had prooued which is most falsly spoken that all Priests professe it lawfull to take Armes against their Kings which I haue before returned vpon the Protestant profession And yet how doubtfully and with equiuocation against which he● argueth in his ninth Reason doth he speake in this place neither expressing in what case or against what Prince A●mes are defended lawfull But I will answer him as before except he will make his Maiesty for whom hee would seeme to pleade an vsurping Tyrant an Apostata from Christian faith incorrigible in impiety and a monster as it were among men it is a protestant doctrine and no Catholike opinion that either blood must be exacted or Armes taken against a Prince Seeing his owne reputation hath no happier successe let vs examine his authorities He first bringeth the Author of Iust abdic Hen. 3 to say that Tyrannum occidere honestum est it is honest to kill a Tyrant Well then King Iames is a Tyrant by this iudgement otherwise both he and his Author be Iudges against himselfe for that writer expresly nameth a Tyrant And to shew this mans further dutifull affection to his Prince hee must meane an Reade Peter N●u●r Domin So●o Cuner and others vsurping Tyrant which is no King but an intrudor for by the common opinion such a Tyrant is vnderstoode in this case by the generall Councell of Constance to which that Author and all Catholikes must giue assent and yeelde obedience But such Diuines as this discouerer which are aboue generall Councells the whole Church of Christ and all authority may make Tyrants of whom they list and depose Princes at their pleasures And this futeth best with their holy spirit For if euery man among them may iudge of all Fathers Popes Councells Scriptures and authorities which be the highest they may with lesse presumption ch●llenge to be Superiors and sit in iudgement of all terrene and temporall businesse He bringeth no other authors for priests intending designing or practising the murther of Princes but onely citeth Mr. Rainolds Gregorius de valentia Simancha about censured heretickes often before answered in his sence and meaning But his holy obedience and duty can finde no other company in the christian world for his King and Soueraigne but Tirants excommunicate heretickes and such exploded persons For practise in this point he only alleadgeth three authoriiies besides this late vnhappie Stratageme His first testimony is from Gallobelgicus who among other of his farre fetched intelligences should affirme that one Arnolde in Paris ascribed the Tirannie of the Spaniards in the Indies to the Iesuites But Lewis Granado Metellus Sequanus and others of greater credite who speake dolefully and bitterlie against that Tirannie be of other minde And we intreate now of Christian Princes and not of poore Infidell and Pagan common people Therefore if this were true yet to no purpose if there were no priests but Iesuites But it is well knowne that Arnoldus was a professed enemy to that Societie and is confuted by Montanus and others And yet Gallobelgicus is not without his hiperbolicall Locutions His second example is that Rodolphu● Comes which he translateth Duke Rodolph foght against the Emperor Henry the 4. excommunicate To which he ioyneth the often repeated Bull of Pius the fift against Queene Elizabeth both answered before And still this man cannot ballaunce his Soueraigne with any but excommunicates Indian infidells Tirants Apostataes c. Lastly he addeth the late conspiracie against the house of Parliament But as he hath heard that all priests were not so well pleased in the former proc●dings with the deceased Queene So I trust they will be innocent in so vile a practise against our present Soueraigne And it is most certaine that this example serueth not for his purpose of prouing all priests to intend designe or practise such things For first the cheefest priest the Pope had absolutely fo●bidden all disobedience and strictly commanded obedience vnto his Maiesty by English Catholi●es priests or other and by his absolute power of spirituall superiority as by these words Quia Papaiubet the obedience and prohibe● the disobedience The cheefe superior of priests in England in spirituall things the Archpriest had so receiued and promulged the same command long since in August last And vpon his first notice of the pretended wickednesse condemned it by his particular letters for an intollerable vncharitable scandalous and desp●r●te fact against the order of holy Church against the prescript of a generall Councell against the s●ntence of the best writers of this age against the Popes commandement and consorting with the error of Wickliffe the protestant Saint and Martyr condemned in the Catholike generall councell at Constance Then if the secular priests of England will acknowledge eyther the Archpriest for their superior at home or the Pope at Rome as all both
but conspired with the Turke himselfe both against them and the whole christian world And their successours in Hungary these last yeares no better behaued themselues these directly admitted the Turks entry the first endeuoured to performe it as their owne Caspaectalio hist Symp. ad Sabell●c Defens Stap. contr Illerich Sleid petr Frar ora● cont Sectar Sleidan l. 22. letters of conspiracy and the comming of the Bassa of Buda against Ferdinando into Pannonia were witnesses And Sleydan himselfe a German Protestant giueth testimony that this was the doctrine of their diuines of Magdenburge publikely teaching in defence of s●ch rebellions that such wa●res were lawfull For Sweueland the protestants themselues giue also testimony Sweueland Chit chron an 1593 1594. that the Catholike King thereof was inforced by his rebellious gospellers to make himselfe a subiect vnto their designements and condiscend that no Catholike should beare office in that kingdome and catholike seruice for the King should be confined only to his owne Chappell And what rebellions did the Protestant Petr. Fa● orat contr sect Nobillitie by aduise of their Cleargie raise against their Prince for this cause in former times And who is ignorant of their still continued seditions and rebellions In Denmarke the same dogmaticall opinions were both publikely defended and put in execution What insurrections and rebellions Petr. Frar sup d●d the Protestants of that kingdome maintaine by this title Did they not assault the King vnder yeares and in minority with open warres Did they not confederate and colleague themselues with the professed enemies of the kingdome sell the Cities to strangers challenge regall power to their rebellions and such like intollerable treasons Let vs come to Heluetia and especially Geneua the mother Church of the ●eformed Maister Caluine the supreame head of the Consistory there hath told vs before that Princes not agreeing Bez. l. iur magist in supqit Sutclif answ l. to suphl with him in religion are rather to be spitted vpon than obeyed they ●re not worthy to be numbred among men they are bereaued of all authority Beza his successour in place succceded him also both in opinion and practise arming subiects against their Prince And as Maister Doctor Sutliffe saith in effect ouerthrowing all authority of Christian Kings and Magistrates and giuing power to subiects not onely to take Armes but to depose and kill the Prince if he impugne their religion And accordingly in practise the Protestants there as Caluine himselfe Doctor Sutliffe Caluin Sutel sup kiru pret discipl and the Archbishop of Canterbury be witnesses deposed their Soueraigne from his temporall right and euer since continue in that state of rebellion And not content with rebellion to one and their owne Lord and Ruler they celebrated a Councell wherein it was concluded that King Francis the second then king Petr. Fra● orat contr sectar de●ens Reg. relig of France his wife the Queene his children Queene mother the Nobility and all good Magistrates of that kingdome should by a certaine day by treacherous deceits be put to death In Burgundy a like Assembly and Conuenticle was called kept and therein decreed at Cabillon that three wormes must be taken forth of the world these men were not content to make their opinion and practise to one or a few kingdomes first the Church of Rome secondly the noble families of antient houses and thirdly all ciuill pollicy gouernment and iurisdiction How faithfully the Protestant Netherlanders laboured by all seditions and rebellion so many yeares and still perseuer to haue the canon of this holy Councell obserued it is too lamentable to be repeated that subiects should maintaine it or any Christians should applaud it Let vs come to France Were not Caluine Beza Othomanus Spiphanius Claud. de sanct de Saccad eglif fol 58. 55. and such publike and dogmaticall Protestants the eggers and instruments of all those slaughters rebellions and oppressions in that Monarchie wherein they tooke all law authoritie and Petr. Frar sup execution thereof from the King and Magistrates They conspired in one night to rob all the Chu●ches in France how did they depose Magistrates fell Cities giue the spoiles to strangers c. what murthering of priests and religious men hanging cutting bowelling rending strangling fleaing drowning stabbing shooting through with gunnes and arrowes of religious Priests wearing chaines of their eares cut off about their neckes how many were buried aliue and little infants themselues cut in sunder ●nforcing men to eate their vndecent parts cut off and rosted and opening the bellies when they liued to see whether they digested them or no I cease to recount the vnspeakeable tyranny of those Protestant traytors whom no conditions peace or graunt could satisfie After the remembred conspiracy against King Francis his Genebr chron ann 1560. Mother wife children Nobles and Magistrates at Geneua in the yeare 1560. within two yeares after 1562. they raised such rebellions and ciuill warres against King Charles the ninth that as Genebrande writeth France was more endammaged by one yeares ciuill warres than in all warres past by strangers The King of Nauarre and Duke Nyuers with others were slaine the Duke of Guise treacherously murthered by Pultrotus Canickname in France for that fact suborned by Beza and the Protestant Admirall and they enforced the Kings to grant them peace and conditions but they kept neither for in the yeare 1567. they made a new rebellion and being subdued accept againe of peace but Genebr chron 1567. Geneb chro● in these ye●●es breake it againe for in the yeare 1569. they rebell and in the next yeare 1570. and yet in the yeare 1575. breake againe into rebellion And such were the miserable murthers and cala●●●ies which they brought to that distressed kingdome that i● 〈…〉 first ciuill warres and rebellions aboue 100000. were slaine as Gaspar Coligne a principall Captaine in those rebellions witnessed in an oration before the King And when Charles the ninth forbade by Edict that no such Protestant should publikely H●stor F●ucase Popelim li. 27. stat Relig. in gal Sub. Carol. 9. lib. 3 pag. 347. preach thirteene thousands of them armed assembled at such a sermon in the suburbes of Paris it selfe and their rebellious malice and disobedience did not onely extend to their liuing Kings but indured against the dead as they most rebelliously persecuted King Francis when he liued so being dead they burnt his heart in rebellious de●pight So they dealt with King Lewis the eleuenth defaced his Image dismembring euery part thereof and burned his body Concerning this vnited Kingdome of Britaine I haue spoken before sufficientlie for the confusion of all Protestants thereof for euer I will adde something and first for Scotland Was not their Gospell there planted by force and violence to Princes and by the publique Dogmaticall decrees of Caluin and Knoxe Knox hist of the church of Scotland pag. 143. 144. Holins hist Scot. anno 1546.