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A07858 The hunting of the Romish foxe Presented to the popes holines, with the kisse of his disholy foote, as an odoriferous & redolent posie verie fit for his grauitie, so often as he walketh right stately, in his goodly pallace Bel-vidêre. Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610. 1598 (1598) STC 1823; ESTC S101468 27,735 82

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enim se fore obediētes summo Pontifici quod intelligitur donec Pontifex est dum iubet ea quae secundum Deum sacras canones iubere potest sed non iuràt se nō dicturos quod sentiunt in concilio vel se non deposituros ei● si haeretioū esse conuincant This oth taketh not away the liberty of Bishopps which in counsels is necessarie For they sweare that they will be obedient to the Pope which is to be vnderstood so long as he is Pope and while hee commaundeth those thinges which he may commaund agreeable to God and the holy cannons but they sweare not that they will not speake what they thinke in the counsell or that they will not depose him if they proue him to be an heretique Out of these wordes of the Iesuite I note first that he sawe right well that this oth bringeth no small discredite to the late Romish religion in regarde whereof hee seeketh many shiftes to saue the Popes credite if it might bee I note secondly that all clergie-men admitted to giue voyces in counsels are sworne wholy to obey the Popes constitutions I note thirdly that the said persons are sworne to beleeue that the Pope cannot erre in his iudiciall decrees of faith or manners that no counsels are of force without the Popes confirmation that all counsels confirmed by him are approued by the holy Ghost that he can excommunicate and depose all Emperours Kinges Queenes and Bishops in the Christian worlde that hee can deliuer by his free pardons all soules out of purgatorie and a thousand other thinges of like homelie qualitie for all such matters are contayned in the Popes holie holie cannons and consequently in their most lamentable othe I note fourthlye that they are sworne to admitte his decrees who as they beleeue may be an heretique I note fiftlye that they are sworne to admit his iudgement in all matters of faith whome yet them selues maye iudge and depose for heresie Fie fie vpon all filthy popery I note sixtly that the popish fundamentall article in appointing the Pope iudge ouer all controuersies is quite ouerthrowne turned vpside downe in this Bellarminus his explication For when hee saieth while he commaundeth c. he granteth euery Bishop freedome to examine and to iudge of the Popes cōstitutions Which libertie if they would constantly performe all true christians would agree with them For none that beleeue rightly in God will deny obedience to the Pope When soeuer he preacheth or teacheth any thing which is ag●eeable to God holy cannons But true christians finding his canons to be disholy his decrees to be against God thinke as Bellarmine heere teacheth them that they may iudge his bad dealing and are not bound to obey him The thirde hound is Melchior Canus whose expresse wordes are these Decreta quoe a legatis contra sedis apostolicae traditionem apprebentur non habent Romanae ecclesiae authoritatem nec aliter se habent quam si a consilio sine legatis prodijssent Sequitur solidam auctoritatem quam in confirmandis fratribus dogmatibus Petrus habet in legatos transferre non potest The decrees which the legates shall approue against the tradition of the Church of Rome haue no authoritie from the Church of Rome neither are they of any more force then if they had proceeded from the counsell without consent of the Legates The sound authority which Peter hath in confirming his brethren and decrees he can not transferre vnto his Legates Thus writeth Canus that great piller of Popishe Doctrine Out of whose wordes I note first that decrees of counsels be of no force without consent of the Popes Legates I note secondly that the decrees of counsels euen when they haue the consent of the Legates are for all that of no force when the Legates condiscend to any thing against the Popes minde I note thirdly that the Pope cannot giue or translate his authoritie to the legates and consequently that the Pope doth no little abuse the whole world when he calleth together all Byshoppes in the world and yet will allowe nothinge that they do vnlesse it be the same that he decreth in his chaire at home The 17 Hound TEll me O precursor of Antichrist if thou be not that Antichrist himselfe doest not thou take vpon thee to depose Kings and to dispossesse them of their Scepters and regalities doest not thou chalenge authoritie to make Kings doest not thou tell them that they haue not their power from God but through thee and thy meanes I wote it is so thy domicican Fryer Syluester reprooueth it thy Iesuite Bellermine confirmeth it and thy sworne Vassals Campion Ballard and their complices did put the same in execution Syluester hath these expresse wordes nec obstat quod potestas imperialis est adeo concessa secundum multa iura quia est a deo mediante Papa quia eam concedit non vt homo sed vt vicarius dei Nec sunt sic distinctae potestates spiritualis scilicet temporal●s quin vna alteri subaliernetur ad instar solis Lunae nec sunt distinctae quasi semper sint in diuersis sed quia sunt ordinata ad distincta scilicet spiritualia temporalia in vno eodemque summo pontifice est vtraque in summo It skilleth not that many lawes affirme imperiall power to be of GOD. For it is but from GOD by the Popes meanes who granteth it not as man but as the Vicar of GOD. Neither are the two powers the spirituall and the temporall so disti●ct but that they remaine subordinate the one to the other after the resemblance of the Sunne the Moone Neither are they distinct as being alwaies in diuers subiectes but as ordeyned to distinct thinges spirituall and temporall For they both are in one and the same Pope euen in the highest degree These wordes gentle Reader neede no interpretation they are full of open blasphemie as all that haue eyes may see Bellerminus hath these wordes Childericum deposuit Papa in eius locum Pipinum Caroli magni patrem regem creari iussit The Pope deposed Childericus and commaunded to place Pipinus father to Charles the great in his throne Againe in an other place the same Bellermine hath these expresse wordes at si isti ijdem principes conantur auertere populū a fide omnium consensu possunt debent priuari suo dominio But if these princes goe about to auerte the people from the faith of the Church of Rome for so he meaneth then by the consent of all they may and must be dispossessed of their scepters Regalities Againe in the second Chapter he saith thus quod si Christiani elim non deposuerunt Neronem Dioclesianum Iulianum apostatam ac valentem Arianū similes id fuit quia deerant vires temporales Christianis If the
reges differentia agnoscatur To the firmament of heauen that is of the vniuersall Church God made two greate lightes to witt hee ordeined two great dignities which are the authoritie of the Pope the power of the Kinge but that power which ruleth spirituall things is greater that which ruleth things carnal is lesser that there may be as great difference knowne betweene Popes and Kinges as there is betweene the Sunne and the Mone The fourth Hound TEll me O Pope is not thy Romishe Purgatorie so sotted and senselesse a thinge as it can neither be proued by the scriptures nor yet by the ancient writers haue not thyne owne renowmed children Syluester Prieras who was somtime maister of thy sacred pallace and for his profounde knowledge surnamed Absolutus Theologus as also thy glorious so supposed Martyr Iohn Fisher our late Byshoppe of Rochester vttered so much in printed bookes to the viewe of the worlde I wote it is so and that all the worlde may knowe the vanitie and abhomination of late Romish religion I will set downe their expresse wordes Thus therefore writeth Syluester Indulgentia nobis per scripturā minime innotuit licet inducatur illud apostoli si quid donaui vobis sed nec per dicta antiquorum doctorum sed modernorum the Popes pardons were not knowne to vs by the holy scriptures although some doe alledge S. Paul for that purpose nether knowne by the auncient father but onely by the late writers Loc pardons and consequently purgatory being the ground thereof cannot be proued out of the scriptures My Lord of Rochester hath these expresse wordes sed graecis ad hunc vsque diē non est creditum purgatorium esse Legat qui velit graecorum veterum commentarios et nullum quantum opinor aut quam rarissimum de purgatorio sermonem inueniet Sedneque Latini simul omnes at sensim huius reiveritatem cōceperunt paulo post non absque maxima sancti spiritus dispensatione factum est quod post tot annorum curricula purgatorij fines indulgentiarū vsus ab Orthodoxis sit receptus quamdiu nulla fuerat de purgatorij cura nemo quaesiuit indulgentias nam ex illo pendet omnis indulgentiarum existimatio Si tollas purgatorium quorsum indulgentiis opus erit his enim si nullum fuerit purgatorium nihil indigebimus contemplantes igitur aliquandiu purgatorium incognitum fuisse deinde quibusdam pedetentim Partim ex reuelationibus partim ex scripturis fuisse creditum atque ita tandem generatim eius fidem ab orthodoxa ecclesia fuisse receptissimam facillime rationem aliquā indulgentiarum intelligimus Quum itaque purgatoriū tā sero cognitū ac receptū ecciesiae fuerit vniuersae quis iam de indulgentijs mirari potest quod in principio nascentis ecclesiae nullus fuerat carū vsum caeperunt igitur indulgentiae post quā ad purgatorij cruciatus aliquandiu trepidatum erat The Greeks to this day do not beleeue there is a purgatorie Reade who will their commentaries and he shall finde either verie seldome mention of purgatorie or rather none at all for neither did the Latine Church conceiue the veritie of this matter all at once but ley surelye by little and little neither was it done without the great dispensation of the holy ghost that after so many yeares Catholicks both beleeued purgatory and receiued the vse of pardons generally so long as there was no care of purgatorie no man sought for pardons For of it dependeth all the estimation that we haue of pardons If thou take awaie purgatory to what end shal we need pardons For if there be no purgatory we shall need no pardons Considering therfore how long purgatory was vnknown thē that it was beleeued of some by little and little partly by reuelations and partly by the scriptures and so at the last beleeued generally of the whole Church we doe easily vnderstande the cause of pardons synce therefore purgatory was so lately knowne and receiued of the whole Church who can now admire pardons that there was no vse of them in the Primitiue Church Pardons therefore began after the people stoode in some feare of purgatorie Thus O Pope writeth thine owne deare Byshoppe whose testimonie must needes be of great credite with thee Whose wordes notwithstanding if they be well marked with the due circumstances thereof are able of themselues without more adoe to perswad any man liuing to detest all popish religion For first we learne here that the greekes neuer beleeued purgatory no not to the daies of this Byshoppe who liued within these three score yeares last past Secondly that the church of Rome now the mother of all superstition did not beleeue the said purgatory for many hundreds of yeares after S. Peters death whose successour for all that thou O Pope boasts thy selfe to be Thirdly that this purgatory which is now the foundation of papistry crept by little and little not all at once into the Latine Church Fourthly that purgatorie was found out by reuelation from heauen or if you had rather so thinke from the deuell of Hell Fiftly that pardons came not vp vntill purgatory was found out the reason hereof saith our popish Byshopp is this because forsooth if there be no purgatory all popish pardons are needlesse Sixtly that pardons were not heard of nor knowne to the Primatiue Church Seuently that pardons then began when men began to feare the paines of purgatorie but of this matter I haue written more at large in my booke of Motiues The Fift Hound TEll me O Pope hast thou not imposed vpon thy Monkes Friers and Nunnes such an heauie yoake as they are not able to beare Is not the prohibition of matrimonie contrarie to Christs institution to the doctrine of the Apostls to the practise of the Primitiue church was not Pope Syritius the first man that made any setled law for that purpose was not the mariage of priests allowed in the Church for one thousand yeares after christ doth not thine owne Gratianus tell vs euen out of thine owne approued decrees that many priests sonnes haue beene Popes of Rome Doth hee not name Bonifacius Agapitus Theodorus Syluerius Faelix Hosius Gelasius Densdedit and many others Doth not thine owne glosse vpon the same text thinke it better to say they were all bastardes then to graunt them to be legitimate children lawfully begotten in holie wedlocke doth not the same glosse alledge for his excuse that vit iu tollitur per successionem the fault is taken away by vertue of their holy succession commeth not the same Gratian roundly vpon the glosse and affirmeth plainly that priests might marrie lawfully euery where vntill the late inhibition made by Siritius doth not Socrates that famous Greeke historiographer tell vs that Byshops of the east Church did in his time beget children of their lawfull wiues and that euen in the time