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A19668 Fryer Iohn Frauncis of Nigeon in Fraunce A replication to that lewde aunswere, which Fryer Iohn Frauncis (of the Minimes order in Nigeon nigh vnto Paris in Fraunce) hath made to a letter, that his mother caused to be written, and sent to him out of England, in August. 1585. Wherevnto is annexed an aunswere, to that which the same fryer hath written to his father and mother: in defence, and to the prayse of that religion, which he dooth nowe professe: and to the disprayse and defacing of that religion, which is nowe professed in Englande. Whereof the fryer himselfe was a scholler and professor, vntill the yeere 1583. which was the 18. yeere of hys age. VVritten by Robert Crowley. Anno. 1586. Crowley, Robert, 1518?-1588.; Debnam, Samuel. 1586 (1586) STC 6091; ESTC S109119 122,478 144

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were decayed in the Countrey where he dwelt And on a time as he was at his laboure a companie of tall fellowes that had beene théeues and were condemned to be hanged were by the Officers brought that way towards the Gallowse to bee executed When Frauncis sawe them he was moued with pittie and besought the Officers to staie the execution whilst hee might goe to the King who lay then not farre off and begge their pardon and so it was doone When Frauncis had obtained pardon for these men hee clothed them in such apparell as the Gray Fryers doo nowe weare and girded those Garments to them with the halters wherewyth they should haue béene hanged The Garment is very commodious for it is long and large and may be tucked vp short let down to the foote as occasion shall serue and require for the commodity of the wearer of it It hath a hoode that may hang on the backe and not be any let in labour and when néede is it may couer and defend the head and face from the iniuries of the wether These men being thus apparailed fell to their laboure lustily in short space brought their masters worke to such forwardnes that hee thought méete to trauaile into some other part of the Countrey to sée where other decayed high wayes were that he might kéepe his newe men and himselfe in worke still But to be briefe he was from them so long that they hauing finished the worke that he left them in had gotten them a house in the next Towne and had perswaded the people thereof that by rysing at midnight and making of continuall prayers vnto God for that people that shoulde séede and maintayne them without laboure they should be much more beneficiall to the Common weale then they could be by any sore laboure of their bodies in emending the high wayes that should be decaied But when Frauncis came and found them thus occupied hee vtterly misliked with them and sayd vnto them Théeues I found you and theeues I leaue you And so departing from them he would haue no more to doo with them If this be not true then blame them that haue made this report of Frauncis whom the Gray Fryers take for their Patron If it be true then you may sée what beginning the Order of the Gray Friers had and howe acceptable that rysing at midnight and singing of Mattens and masses was to that Frauncis of whose holines the Gray Fryers doo make so great bragges And so by good consequence what account good and wise men shold make of the great paines that you and your Brethren doo take in your rysing and singing both by day and by night Whether thys Frauncis were your Frauncis of Paula or not I leaue to be discussed by your selfe with the helpe of the chiefe Pryor or Prouintiall of your Order at your best leasure Thus much for the second part of your vowe The third part of your vowe or as you doo terme it your third vowe was obedience to be obedient to the Pryor and to your superiors If you had considered well of that triple vowe that was made for you in Baptisme and your selfe confirmed when you answered me in my Church at Creplegate in London I thinke you would haue thought this newe triple vowe altogether vnnecessarie except you meant to reuoke your first triple vowe made to GOD and in stéede thereof to make a newe triple vow to man For what haue you vowed héere in substance that was not vowed before in your first triple vowe Except this onely that you vowe nowe to liue without a wise so long as you shall liue which is not in your power to performe neither haue you the example of anie Patriarke Prophet or Apostle that made this vowe or taught anie other to make it nor yet any promise of assistance at Gods hand in the performance of it You promised in the first vow●d keep your bodie in temperance sobernes and chastitie You promised to renounce the world which is to be in the world not as of y e world as hauing all things and vsing all and yet possessing nothing not as a Lord of things héere on earth but as a steward that looketh continually to be called to his account You promised also obedience to your Prince and to all in authority vnder your Prince c. but that vowe you haue vtterly renounced and are now shrewded vnder the shield of Antichrist and holde by an immunitie wherby you are exempted from the power of all Princes and doo owe obedience to none but to that great Antichrist and your graund Pryor and such superiors as be of that sort The Lord open the eyes of your vnder standing that you may sée whose serui●e you haue forsaken and to whom you haue made your selfe a slaue and what wylbe the ende if you repent not Well you procéede and you say The Fryer Our life is as foloweth We neuer eate fleshe nor egges nor butter nor cheese nor milke nor any thing els that commeth of flesh except in great sicknes So that being in good health we eate Fysh Oyle and fruites when they be giuen vs. We eate not to fill our belly but to sustaine nature VVe● also speake not one to another at dinner and supper except there be great necessitie We fast eating but once a day from the day of all Saintes to Christmas day except Sondayes The like from Shrouesunday to Easter day Likewise euery Friday in the yeere and wednesday except the Wednesdaies betweene Christmas and Shrouetide and betweene Easter and Whitsontide All other wednesdayes we fast We touch no money We rise euery night Winter and Somer hote colde at midnight to sing Mattins before the blessed Sacrament of the Alter the precious body and blood of our Lorde and Sauior Iesus Christ which is there kept ouer the high Alter VVe sing two or three high Masses euery day Crovvley And héere you haue set downe in the margine of your Letters a note to be as it were a caueat for your mother and Father and all other that may séeme to mislike with your Religion and thus you say Fryar You thinke that we be foles because that we light wax candles at day light and because of other our Ceremonies You thinke that we be fooles our Religion folly But heare what you may reade in the booke of VVisedome Chap. 5. where it is written that the damned in the latter day bewayling their foolishnes shall speake these words These be they whom in times past wee haue had in derysion and in the similitude of mockery We being fooles esteemed their ●ife to be madnes and their ende without honour But now how are they numbred amongst the sons of God and amongst the Saints their Lot is fallen VVe haue erred from the way of truth the light of iustice hath not shined vpon vs so forth Take heede I pray you that you be not one of them that shall so
S. Iohn saith in the same Epistle Cap. 4. Hée doth there teache you howe to knowe Antichrist and so consequently Antichristians Omnis spiritus qui soluit Iesum ex Deo non est hic est Antichristus de quo audistis quoniam venit iam nunc in mundo est Euery spirite that loseth or dissolueth Jesus or the Sauiour for so dooth the name Jesus signify is not of God and the same is Antechrist of whom you haue heard that he commeth and he is euen nowe in the worlde Who be they that may be sayd to lose or dissolue Jesus which is the Sauiour but they which doo as you doo That is asscribe one part of your saluation to Jesus Christ and another to your owne workes and merites If you can find any better interpretation of this place let vs at your leasure sée it If not leaue your dissoluing of Jesus and ioyne with vs in ascribing your whole saluation to the mediation of Jesus Christ as we doo But perhaps you wyll héere ●lée from your olde allowed translation and for an aduantage take holde of the Gréeke text which is thus Euery spirite that denyeth or doth not confesse that Jesus is come in the flesh is not of God c. But what can that helpe your cause Jesus Christe came in the flesh that he might treade the wine presse of Gods wrath alone and not to haue any one to helpe him Esay 63. Hee came in the flesh that he might be wounded for our iniquities broken for our great and wicked sinnes that the correction wherby we might be reconciled myght fall vpon him that we might bée made whole by the brwsing of his stripes Esay 53. Agayne S. Paule 1. Tim 1. Thys is a true saying and méete to be receiued of all men that Christ Jesus came into this world to saue sinners And in Math. 1. Hée shall saue his people from their sinnes And in S. Iohns Gospell 1. Beholde him that taketh away the sinnes of the worlde By all these places it is plaine that whosoeuer ascribeth any parte of our saluation to any other then to Christ Jesus alone denyeth him to bée come in the flesh and is of that Antichrist that S. Iohn speaketh of 1. Epistle 4. You are therefore Antichristians and we are for good cause come from you because we were not Antichristians and therefore not of you We are returned to that Romish Catholicke Church that was in Johns time from whom you came out because you were not of them And we doo now beléeue as they beléeued then They beléeued then that there is but one God that hath made all creatures and him they glorifyed in the vse of hys creatures and they gaue thankes to hym alone for those creatures and studyed to serue him onely in spyrite and and with spiritual seruice fléeing from the example of the Heathen Nations that presumed to counterfayte his maiestie by Images Rom. 1. And so doo wée They beléeued and confessed that all men are sinners and that man can not iustify himselfe before God because no man can so kéepe the Lawe but that his own conscience shall condemne him as a transgressor therefore they dyd cleaue to the mercy of God and so doo we They beléeued that they were iustified that is discharged of their sinnes fréely by fayth wythout the déedes of the Law and yet they thought themselues bound to doo all that God had and should make them able to doo in obseruing and fulfilling the Law and so doo we Rom. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. They beléeued that God making choyse of them had in mercy made them his owne children by adoption inheritours of his kingdome and heyres annexed with his onely begotten sonne Christ Jesus and héere of they were assured by the spirit of Christ which was gyuen to them and cried in their harts Abba Pater Father Father and so doo we They beléeued that this election and choyse was made in the fore knowledge and purpose of GOD before them selues were and so consequently before they eyther had or coulde doo good or euill and so doo we Rom. 9. They beléeued that as they were by frée mercy of God adopted predestinated called iustified and acquitted of their sinnes and in Gods predestination glorifyed and made like to the Image of his onely begotten sonne Christ Jesus Rom. 8. So their duety was to be carefull to leade a righteous life before men and not be bolde to commit sinne because God had in mercy discharged them of sin but to liue in awe and a reuerent childlike feare of his iustice as they that would shewe themselues continually thankfull for his mercy in making their owne bodies a Sacrifice to God lyuing holy and acceptable vnto God as theyr reasonable seruing of God Rom. 10. 11. 12. And euen so doo wée They beléeued that theyr duety was to submytte themselues to all such as God had sette ouer them in authoritye and to obey them not onelie for feare of punishment but for conscience sake also knowing that whosoeuer resisteth power resisteth the ordinaunce of GOD and doth purchase to himselfe damnation And they beléeued that their duety was to giue euery man his owne and to vse louing behauiour towards all men knowing that loue is the fulfilling of the Lawe And that béeing baptised they had put vpon themselues Christ and ought to walke and continue their liues in honesty not making prouision for the fleshe to satisfy the lustes thereof Rom. 13. and euen so doo we They beléeued that although God had gyuen them liberty in the vse of al his creatures yet their duety was to haue a continuall regarde to the infirmitie of their brethren●● and not to vse any of those creatures to the offence of any of them Rom. 14. 15. and euen so doo we They beléeued that they together with all other Christians els where in any part of the worlde were fellowe members of one bodye in Christ and vnder Christ alone acknowledging no vniuersal heade of that body but onely Christ Jesus alone Rom. 12. And euen so doo we Thus you may sée that we are not departed from the Catholicke Romaine Church which was in the time of S. Iohn but from you that departed from them more then 1000. yéeres before this day You put many of Gods creatures in the place of God in reposing trust in them in calling vpon them and crauing helpe at theyr handes in rendring thankes vnto them in honouring them in and by their Images in seruing thē and in consecrating daies Temples and Altars to their honour You presume vppon your owne power as they that are able either to fulfill the Law or els hauing broken the Lawe to satisfie to God for your sinne in breaking the Lawe and to that end you fast from flesh you goe and lye woolwarde you rise at midnight you sing mattins and masses you whyp your selues with your disciplines or whyps not following therein any commaundement of God