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A00685 Ane answer to ane epistle written by Renat Benedict the Frenche doctor, profesor of Gods worde (as the translator of this epistle calleth him) to Iohn Knox, and the rest of his brethren ministers of the word of God: made by Dauid Feargussone minister of the same word at this present in Dumfermling. Fergusson, David, d. 1598.; Benoit, René, 1521-1608.; Winzet, Ninian, 1518-1592. 1563 (1563) STC 10819; ESTC S117552 36,974 88

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on ather partie writinges giuē and taken we shalbe instructed by the holy Spirit what we our selues should beleue in so weightie a mater and what we oght to propone to others and set furth to trow For the thing that I trow and beleuis is teached by the holy Scriptures the holy doctors writings and consuetude of the Kirk The same I as it ap●…rteineth to euerie Christiane mā to do I professe simple and plainly with out any simulation Written at Edinburgh in the Palaice of the moste noble Quene of Scotland 18. calend of December Remember I pray you and prent in your myndes that in the last dayes the continuall and daylie Sacrifice is to be ●…aken away Lawes and statutes to be ●…brogat and changed and ye knowe by ●…home by the Antichrist they that ta●…th part with him take head to youre ●…elues my brethren I besech you God is ●…itnes of what mynde I deal with you D. Feargussones answer HOw the aforsaides are by vs weyed and considered let the indifferēt ●…ader iudge what zeil it is that hither●…o hath and yet stil doeth burne you I ●…aue already noted Ye ask of vs why we ●…eiect the masse which ye call the Chri●…tiane peoples Sacrifice we answer Be●…ause it is not that thing in deid whiche ●…e call it in worde as at lenth before I ●…aue prouen nether are ye able to proue 〈◊〉 Gods word that euer Christ appoin●…ed his ministers to offer the Sacramen●…all bread and wine in Sacrifice for their ●…wn sinnes and the sinnes of the people ●…swel dead as aliue Cry out and affirme ●…his mater with als many wordes as ye ●…st ye●… may ye not be beleued vntill ye ●…roue it by the Scriptures other Sacri●…ces then Gods worde teacheth vs we may not with saif consciēce admit except we wilfully prouoke God to punish and consume vs in his wrath as he did Nadab and Abihu and vterlie reiect vs as he did Saule S. Paule writing to the Romans exhorteth vs to giue vp our bo dies a lyning Sacrifice holy and acceptable vnto God which he affirmeth to be our reasonable seruing of God The Apostle writing to the Hebreues also exhorteth vs to offer the Sacrifice of thankes geuinge alwayes to God through Christe which he sayeth is the frute of our lippes which confesse his name willing vs also not to forget to do good and to distribute he meaneth our substance to them that ●…edeth for sayeth he with suche Sacrifices God is pleased other Sacrifices appertening to Christiane people we knowe none commanded in the new Testament Ye boste much of Moyses of the Law of nature the Prophetes the Euangel but out of none of thē bring ye any prufe for your purpose Ye affirme that your masse wes authorised in the Primatiue Church and alwayes vsed of Gods chosen and yet ye infer none of their excersices for your exemple but the bare names of two men whose autoritie and strenth is to weak to withstand Gods worde As to Dionisius Areopagita I will set his master S. Paule against him writing to the Corinthians who hauing occasiō to treat of the veritie of the Lordes Supper abused in that Churche rehearseth the wordes of Christes institution which of him he had receaued faithfully without adding to or diminishing which wordes and whole action there by him recyted how lyke they are to your mischeuous masse I make your self iudge Then whi ther ●…ght we to creadit the Elect veshell of God S. Paule that spak not his own wordes but Christes or to Dionisse that hath added vnto them if it be treu that ye alledge on him iudge also Ye wil neuer be able to proue that that Dionisse of whō ye mean wes that Dionisius Areopagita that beleued Paules doctrine in the Actes of the Apostoles ād althogh it were yet is he of no suche authoritie as an Angel of heauen whome yet we are forbidden to creadit teachīg any other doctrine then Paule hath taught but rather to hold him accursed But that euer Paule taught ather to Timothie Titus or any other Minister that he did appoynte ouer any Churche the merualus craft of massing the Scripture maketh no mention Acursed therefore be the teachers of it as the Apostle hath commanded vs to hold them As to Ignatius and the rest of your holy Fathers I haue spoken my iudgement of them already that is that I nether contempne them nor builde my Faith vpon them seing that they were but men and so might be deceaued and also deceaue others As to your requeist wherein ye exhort vs to follow them obsolutlie in exponing the Scriptures it is more then any Christiane may admit seing that we may follow no man further then they follow Christe nether in this case cal any man Father or Master vpon earth hauing one Father the Eternall God and one Master Christe Iesus in the heauen yea and althogh that Paule wes the Elect and moste worthy veshell to bear the name of Christe to Nations Kinges and the Childrene of Israell and taught of God in the thride Heauen the moste wonderfull and vnspeakable Mysteries of God yet durst he not be so bolde as precisly to desyre men to follow him no but euer rebuked their depending vpon men moste seuerely exhorting them to follow him as he followed Christ affirming that nether he that plan●…ed nor he that watereth is any thing but God that giueth the incres is all in all c. Moreouer the Lord by his Propher accur seth all suche as dependeth vpon men in these wordes Cursed be the man that trusteth in man and maketh fleshe his arme and withdraueth his hart from the Lorde These and the lyke cōminations will not suffer vs to trust in mā or make him the Paterne of our saluation lest we be accursed of God As to the ●…nggishnes of your Pastors we leaue them to be stirred vp of you as ye think good for in our iudgements they are so fast a slepe that they can not be walkned so vnsauere that they can not be salted so blind that they can not be lyghtned we haue therefore long ago determined by the worde of God to giue none of our holy thinges to your dogges nor cast any mo of our pretious Pearles before your filthy Swyne Lift vp your voce cry als loude as eue●… ye can yet shal it come to pas that when Baal heareth his Chaplanes and sendeth them Fyre to consume their Sacrifice that then your ignorant Idole Bishopes who for the moste part knoweth nether new nor old shall preache the Euangel yea your holy Father S. Frances shall als sone make good Christianes of the fou les that he preached to as that ye beig an Idolater shal cause an ignorant Idole to do the deutie of a paineful Pastor There did neuer one of them enter in as the dure of the shepefolde but clam vp another ●…ay
the Prence and Patriarck and people of Cōstantinopol celebrated a latine masse●… all that were present for the tyme allowing it so easylie are men deceaued this long to wit 681. yeare wes the Churche without this Sacrifice which yet differed far from it that wes in our dayes for it wes almost 7. hundreth yeares after this or euer the people were commanded to worship it for that wes done by Honorious the 3 who wes Pope the yeare from our Redemption 1216. thereafter when it wes worshipped as a God the Deuil did find the meanes that this new Idole shoulde be caryed Solempnitlie throughout all tounes vpon a peculyar day dedicat to that Histrionicall gyse cal 〈◊〉 Corpuschristies day The īstruments ●…t the Deuill vseth to this labour were ●…banus Pope of Rome the 4. of that ●…e and a certane Religious woman ●…d Eua and it came to pas as ye shal 〈◊〉 The aforesaid Urbanus Pope in ●…ear from our Redemption 1261. had 〈◊〉 aforesaid supersticious Eua in fami●… acquentance ▪ before he came to the ●…tes saite who feinzeed her self to haue ●…a reuelation from heauen cōcerning ●…edication of a Festual day ●…o the Po 〈◊〉 God of bread in the masse the maner 〈◊〉 Circumstances of this reuelation she 〈◊〉 to Urbanꝰ at length desyring him ●…rforme her vision which he did with ●…elay cōfirming it with a Bul which ●…enth I omit The Churche wes a ●…sand two hundreth thre scoir and one 〈◊〉 without this Idolatrous gyse this ●…yte and muche more could out of ●…own Histories if it were not ouer ●…some to shew that all their braging ●…tiquitie is nothing els but●… fals for●…lies Their corrupted knauerie peice 〈◊〉 peice crope into the Churche by the 〈◊〉 of Sathan their Father who ●…urste not shew him self at ones list he shoulde haue bene knowen and so resisted But rather transfiguring him self in an Angel of light as the slacknes of Pastors begouth to incres wroght spedylie as a bissie Bishop vnder their handes til at length he had fully broght to pas the whole misterie of his iniquitie which the Apostle affirmeth to haue bene a working in his dayes But what nedeth Circumloquution when few wordes directlie spoken may spedily end this stryfe What if I should say with Ambrose Quicquid non ab Apostolis traditū est Sceleribus plenū est that is whatsoeuer is not giuen vnto vs by the Apostles is full of iniquitie or as he sayeth in an vther place Nos nou●… omnia que Christus non docuit iure damnamus quia fidelibus via Christus est Siigitur Christus non docuit quod docemus●… etiam nos id detestabile iudicamus that is we iustlie damp all new thinges that Christe hath not taught because Christe is the way to the faithfull If therefore Christ hath not taught that thing which we teache yea euen we our selues do iudge it detestable First therefore because your ●…se wes neuer giuen nor ordeined vnto vs by the Apostles I with Ambrose affirme it to be 〈◊〉 of iniquitie Secondly because it is a 〈◊〉 doctrine which Christ neuer taught ●…stly damp it that Christ neuer taught 〈◊〉 subsequentes s●…al declare where ●…euer Christe or any of his Apostles ●…o a man when they Elected and ad●…ed him to the ministerie of the church ●…pe potestatem celebrandi vel sacrificandi ●…iuis et mortuis as your Idole Bis●…s sayeth to you their shawelinges ●…n ye receaue the beastes marke with ●…er to by and sell the marchandrise of 〈◊〉 great hoore of Babilon These word●…ey say whē the Chalice is giuen you ●…ther with the Paiene the bread and ●…ine take thou authoritie or power ●…lebrate or say masse for the quick and ●…ead yea so heighly are these wordes ●…ed of your Doctors that if the Bis●… omit the saying of them for his part ●…e prosering of the aforesaid thinges ●…he that is to be ordeined omit the ●…hing of the thinges profered that all ●…r noght where commanded Christe ●…t ye should deuore all alone standing ●…n alter with your back to the p●…ple ●…ere are ye cōmanded to lift the bread your heades that the people may commit Idolatrie with it Where are ye cōmanded to dissagyse your selues lyke players or fooles with shauē crownes long wide sarkes aboue your clothing and shorte peies lyke cotes of Armoure aboue all ▪ Where are ye cōmanded at the ministra●…i on of the Sacrament some tymes to i●…ke and some tymes to nod to slepe a while and walk another now to cry out with a loud voice and thē to quhisper that you●… taill may not hear you to put bothe your handes to your eares and then to streiche them out as the Daw doeth whē she raxeth her in the morning Why speak ye in a strange langage contrar to the mynde o●… the holy Ghoste that the people vnderstandeth not when ye haue told me who learned you these iugling castes thē will I assay what reckening ye can giue of the rest Fynally I wold ask at you if the thre thousand persones that Peter by the word of God conuerted of whom we read in the Second Chapiter of the Actes were of the Church of God or not ye dar not deny but that they were of the Church If then the masse be the wonted Sacrifice of holy Church as ye wolde make men beleue I wonder that they ●…itted it For the holy Ghoste for our ●…rning by the ●…en of Lucas hath moste ●…gentlie registrat their excercise which ●…at after they had receaued the word 〈◊〉 were baptised continued in the Apo●… doctrine sele wship breakig of bread ●…yers to be shorte get me one word ●…tion of a Sacrifice offered for sinnes 〈◊〉 the death of Christ in all the Actes ●…he Apostles or in any part of the new ●…ament by Gods people and I will ●…t your argument trew but vnto the ●…e that ye proue your arguments out 〈◊〉 word of god ye must apardone me 〈◊〉 can not beleue you no not suppose ●…ere ane Angel as ye are but a man 〈◊〉 to your generall Counsels my faith ●…ot builded vpon them nether am I ●…nd to beleue one iote of them further ●…hey aggre with Gods word for they ●…beleueth or taketh any counsel but of 〈◊〉 hath an extreme wo pronounced ●…nst them by the Spirit of God in ●…e wordes Wo to the rebellions chil●… sayeth the Lord that take counsel 〈◊〉 not of me and couer with a couering 〈◊〉 not by my Spirit that they may lay sinne vpon sinne And in few wordes except these foure to wit the first Counsell Nicen holden against Arrius and gathered by the Empreoure Constantine and by no Pope for many hundreth yeares after the Bishopes of Rome were but Prechers of the word of God hauing no further dominion then their own diosies did streich The nixt general Coūsel wes gathered by the Empreoure Graciane against the Herisie of Macidonins and
Endo●…us and wes holden in Constantinopol The thrid wes holdē in Ephesus ▪ vnder the Empreour Theodorieꝰ against the Herisie of Nestorius The fourth in Chalchedō vnder the Empreour Martiane against the Herisie of Eutiches except these foure all the rest for the moste part are suspect to me because your Popes were iudges in them their selues Therefore seing the wise man hath counselled me otherwise namely not to go to Law with the Iudge forasmuch as he will giue sentence according to his owne honor it were but Foly then to subiect my Faith to the iudgement of these counseles whereof Antichristes haue bene hea des and Iudges The controuersie then being betuix vs Christians you papi●…es ye striuing for the tyrannical domi●…ion and vainglorie of your Pope and ●…e certitude of his Counsels and we for ●…e eternal heauenly glorie of our Christ ●…d the veritie of his holy Euangle Let 〈◊〉 men iudge whither it be right to ad●…t the Pope Arbiter in his owne cause 〈◊〉 whither he oght to be iudged by the ●…ord of God and Gospel of his Christe 〈◊〉 whome all power is giuen in heauen ●…d in earth whose word that he hath spo ●…n shall iudge vs all in the last day I ●…re not to affirme that the mater oght ●…e tryed by the Scriptures howsoeuer ●…tichrist bragge of his owne authoritie ●…t moste ●…iustly he vsurpeth ouer mē as 〈◊〉 Law doeth witnes in these wordes ●…nes Christi fideles de necessitate Salutis 〈◊〉 sunt Romano pontifica qui vtrūque gladium ●…et et omnes iudicat a n●…mine ●…utē iudicatur ●…t is all that be faithfull Christianis 〈◊〉 the necessitie of Saluation are subiect 〈◊〉 the Bishop of Rome which hath bothe ●…e swordes that is spiritual and tempo 〈◊〉 and iudgeth all men and to be iudg●… of no man what I beseche you may ●…e loke for at those Counsels ▪ whereof this tyrant is iudge euen this in my iudgement that when all the adulterers and hooremongers of Scotland and all vther Countries giueth their general cōseut to put doun al ●…ordales and villany that then a generall Counsel whereof the ●…ope is head and iudge with his Creatures the carnall Caroinalles and their a●…s for●…e slaues and mōstrous ●…ytiar Bishopes shal aboli●…e and put doun al superstitiō Idolatrie Meruell nor therefore why we affirme this doctrine or oures I meane the Euangle with so great clamoure and laboure not to our own perdition and others as ye suppose but rather to our Saluation yea we ●…we that damnation abydeth vs if that we preach not the Euangle whiche also we are commanded to cry and not to ce●…s from speaking and bearing witnes to the treuth which we haue bothe hard and ●…ene nether do●…th our doctrine repugne as ye wold make men beleue to all good and cunning men as I trust the vnaffec●…onat Reader shal perceaue but we ●…e nor vpon men but vpon the treuth of God con●…nge eure ●…elues to k●…w nothing but Iesus Christe not him that hingeth in a cord or halter ouer your altars sumtyme til he be woormeatten and not worth the holding adiudged to the fyre no but him we confesse that wes made not of white corne but of the ●…ede of Dauid according to the fleshe yea euen him that wes crucified and declared ●…ightylie to be the Sonne of God touch●…g the Spirit of Sanctification by the Resurrection from the dead ye bragge muche of Doctors and learned men to be ●…pon your syde but hitherto we haue ne●…her hard their names nor yet any autho cities out of their writings for your prufe And that it may appeare how fals this ●…our accusation is althogh I haue no ●…ede of Doctors yet do I infer some and ●…al godwilling infer mo hereafter as that occasion shal be offered As to your ●…clandring with noualtie our faith and ●…octrine I haue alreadie in the first Sec●…on answered and partlie by occasiō also 〈◊〉 this The doctrine that we professe ●…ach to haue bene from the beginning 〈◊〉 haue alreadie prouē and that the scope thereof is onely to teache men to knowe the Eternal the Father of our Lorde Iesus to be the verie onely trew God and that he whom he sent is the Sauioure of the world In this doctrine alone consisteth lyfe euerlasting as witnesseth the Lord IIesus and this is lyfe eternal that they knowe thee to be onely verie God and whom thow hath sent Iesus Christ this doctrine we haue professed at this present doeth and shall by Gods grace confesse vnto the end in dispyte of Satan and his Uickar your Pope Antechrist Renats Epistle the Thrid Section BEhold I besech you that ye deceaue not your selues and namely in these last and moste perrellous dayes of the which the holy write prophecieth and affirmeth the great dangeres and mischief so that in the dayes euen the chosen and Elect if it were possible therethrough shalbe peruerted Ye knowe planely if that ye loke ouer the Scripture with humilitie the slight and desait of Sathan Christes and all Christianes enimies for to misreule and disturb the trew Kirk and his furious interpryses also to deleit and put away the remembrance of Christ Iesus ye misknow not Take head therfore I adiure you welbeloued and Christiane brethren that ye be not Seduced with his subteltie and craftines and being Seduced that ye be not the instruments to peruert others from the faith ●…athan can not take Christes name from you but yet be war I pray you and I warne you of charitie for your weill and Saluation that he pluk not Christe him self from you Think I besech you where and by what maner we haue Christ treulie Haue we him not by his trew worde in the trew Sacrament Haue we him ●…ot ī the trew Kirk by verie faith Haue ●…e not lightlyed I make your selues iud●…es and contempned the trew Kirk sit●…uat vpon the montane and this yneugh knowing of all men Intruse ye not an onely figure for the treuh of Christes liue ●…y bodie in the Sacramēt and euchariste They knowe who hath red the Scriptu●…es and Doctors writinges that ye pro●…one the wordes of the Law and not the Law it self nor the trew worde of God for probation and setting forthe of your doctrine therefore ye reteane onely the name of Christe but be war I pray you that ye put not Christe him selfe frome you haue ye not expelled him first in his Ymages and thereafter in the euchariste and masse And last of all in exponing the Scripture otherwise then it behoued in whose roume what other thīg haue ye set out but a Creatur or creatures inuent that is your doctrine and teachement D. Feargussones answer IF that we did depend ather on men or mens doctrine whither it were our owne or other mens then no dout we were verie able to be deceaued and to deceaue others But forasmuch as the doctrine that we