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sicut_fw-la homines_fw-la plerunque_fw-la fallantur_fw-la say_v s._n augustine_n against_o 27._o cresconius_n the_o donatist_n but_o he_o speak_v not_o there_o of_o fundamental_o indeed_o not_o of_o the_o church_n representative_a as_o i_o explain_v myself_o nor_o do_v that_o principal_a place_n of_o all_o make_v against_o i_o which_o be_v in_o he_o contra_fw-la donatistas_n concern_v the_o err_a of_o general_n counsel_n et_fw-la ipsa_fw-la concilia_fw-la quae_fw-la per_fw-la singulas_fw-la regiones_fw-la &_o provincias_fw-la 3._o fiunt_fw-la plenariorum_fw-la conciliorum_fw-la authoritati_fw-la quae_fw-la siunt_fw-la ex_fw-la universo_fw-it christiano_n orbe_fw-la cedunt_fw-la ipsaque_fw-la plenaria_fw-la saepè_fw-la priora_fw-la à _fw-la posterioribus_fw-la emendantur_fw-la cum_fw-la aliquo_fw-la experimento_fw-la rerum_fw-la aperitur_fw-la quod_fw-la clausum_fw-la er_fw-mi at_o &_o cognoscitur_fw-la quod_fw-la latebat_fw-la for_o he_o take_v counsel_n in_o a_o general_a acception_n as_o it_o be_v plain_a by_o he_o and_o he_o speak_v not_o of_o fundamental_a point_n of_o faith_n as_o both_o the_o cause_n itself_o argue_v and_o his_o assign_v of_o better_a information_n in_o tract_n of_o time_n to_o direct_v consequent_a counsel_n in_o determine_v contrary_a to_o precedent_n who_o for_o any_o thing_n he_o say_v to_o the_o contrary_a may_v have_v true_o determine_v as_o thing_n then_o stand_v to_o conclude_v this_o information_n be_v a_o mere_a cavil_n de_fw-fr tali_fw-la concilio_n &_o saniori_fw-la parte_fw-la &_o conclusionibus_fw-la in_o fide_fw-la probabile_fw-la est_fw-la no_o more_o chap._n iii_o strange_a accusation_n antiquity_n reverence_v not_o deify_v father_n accuse_v of_o some_o error_n by_o jesuit_n the_o occasion_n of_o their_o enlarge_a speech_n concern_v freewill_n the_o author_n acquit_v of_o popery_n informer_n again_o speak_v of_o the_o father_n in_o general_a he_o profess_v his_o opinion_n to_o be_v that_o those_o worthy_a light_n do_v not_o any_o way_n fail_v nor_o do_v darkness_n possess_v their_o clear_a understanding_n chap._n xvi_o pag._n cxiii_o the_o which_o be_v a_o say_v more_o popish_a than_o learned_a papist_n dare_v ever_o affirm_v mountagu_n nay_o more_o sottish_a than_o any_o puritan_n but_o yourselves_o will_v ever_o quarrel_v malice_n and_o ignorance_n whither_o will_v thou_o as_o if_o m._n mountagu_n have_v affirm_v that_o no_o father_n ever_o err_v in_o any_o point_n whatsoever_o master_n informer_n you_o may_v go_v range_v this_o calumny_n under_o some_o other_o head_n for_o popery_n will_v not_o admit_v nor_o entertain_v it_o no_o ignorant_a papist_n less_o learned_a than_o yourselves_o nedum_fw-la learned_a papist_n either_o teach_v or_o think_v that_o no_o father_n ever_o err_v and_o as_o for_o m._n mountagu_n he_o utter_o disclaim_v it_o though_o no_o man_n live_v carry_v a_o more_o awful_a regard_n and_o reverend_a respect_n unto_o antiquity_n than_o he_o do_v yet_o never_o do_v he_o so_o dote_v upon_o they_o it_o be_v more_o than_o ever_o enter_v into_o the_o compass_n of_o his_o thought_n so_o to_o overlavish_a transcendent_o in_o their_o commendation_n as_o to_o give_v they_o prerogative_n of_o not_o err_v at_o all_o and_o so_o to_o advance_v they_o unto_o their_o maker_n seat_n it_o belong_v not_o to_o these_o ancient_n but_o to_o the_o ancient_n of_o day_n not_o to_o err_v and_o so_o much_o m._n mountagu_n have_v express_v in_o that_o former_a passage_n of_o his_o pen_n take_v they_o at_o large_a and_o they_o lavish_a so_o far_o sometime_o that_o the_o great_a patron_n of_o the_o power_n and_o efficacy_n of_o freewill_n dare_v not_o join_v issue_n with_o some_o of_o they_o then_o follow_v that_o calumniate_v piece_n by_o those_o pure_a one_o not_o as_o if_o those_o worthy_a light_n have_v at_o any_o time_n fail_v or_o darkness_n possess_v their_o clear_a understanding_n now_o you_o promoter_n can_v your_o christian_a charity_n be_v so_o defective_a or_o your_o common_a 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recite_v none_o so_o here_o i_o may_v be_v suppose_v to_o tell_v he_o why_o not_o that_o i_o can_v supply_v he_o with_o some_o experiment_a effect_n out_o of_o the_o same_o or_o the_o like_a father_n whereunto_o his_o small_a read_n can_v not_o i_o be_o sure_a have_v not_o lead_v he_o and_o what_o if_o i_o mean_v some_o experiment_a effect_n of_o my_o own_o knowledge_n what_o then_o can_v you_o control_v or_o convince_v i_o i_o be_o not_o bind_v to_o confess_v myself_o to_o you_o but_o what_o if_o upon_o diverse_a extremity_n i_o have_v find_v ease_n and_o remedy_n by_o use_v that_o ejaculatory_a prayer_n of_o our_o litany_n per_fw-la crucem_fw-la etc._n etc._n by_o thy_o cross_n and_o when_o i_o say_v it_o what_o if_o to_o testify_v my_o faith_n i_o make_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n and_o by_o thy_o passion_n good_a lord_n deliver_v we_o i_o can_v tell_v what_o you_o will_v say_v but_o you_o know_v well_o that_o some_o of_o your_o lewd_a forefather_n have_v account_v this_o and_o 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extreme_a chap._n xxviii_o the_o informer_n presumption_n against_o the_o current_n of_o antiquity_n informer_n in_o another_o place_n he_o say_v josuah_n in_o fight_n prevail_v against_o amalec_n through_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n rather_o than_o by_o the_o sword_n chap._n viii_o pag._n 66._o mountagu_n isaiah_n so_o indeed_o and_o be_v not_o you_o either_o ignorant_a or_o insolent_a you_o will_v not_o oppose_v or_o censure_v my_o say_n so_o for_o popery_n for_o almost_o which_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n have_v not_o say_v it_o to_o instruct_v your_o ignorance_n or_o else_o to_o abate_v your_o arrogance_n take_v a_o particular_a of_o some_o of_o they_o for_o the_o purpose_n justin_n martyr_n against_o trypho_n pag._n 95._o and_o 99_o edit_n graec._n rob._n stephani_fw-la tertullian_n contr_n judaeos_fw-la pag._n 102._o and_o lib._n 3._o against_o martion_n in_o the_o same_o word_n and_o in_o other_o place_n cyprian_a lib._n 2._o cap._n 21._o testimon_n adv_fw-la jud._n s._n 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for_o papist_n because_o we_o be_v not_o so_o contentious_a nor_o brabble_v as_o you_o will_v have_v we_o for_o here_o what_o need_v you_o quarrel_v the_o not_o except_v against_o the_o term_n sacrament_n it_o be_v not_o propose_v whether_o ordination_n be_v a_o sacrament_n or_o not_o but_o whether_o in_o that_o which_o they_o call_v the_o sacrament_n of_o holy_a order_n and_o the_o church_n of_o england_n at_o least_o holy_a order_n any_o interior_a grace_n be_v give_v by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n just_o as_o not_o long_o since_o you_o seek_v a_o knot_n in_o a_o rush_n for_o use_v the_o like_a phrase_n of_o sacrament_n of_o the_o altar_n so_o if_o be_v to_o say_v somewhat_o against_o transubstantiation_n i_o do_v not_o quarrel_v the_o word_n i_o be_o a_o papist_n though_o i_o dispute_v never_o so_o earnest_o against_o the_o thing_n see_v how_o apt_a and_o dispose_v man_n be_v that_o love_n faction_n and_o division_n to_o take_v hold_n and_o fasten_v upon_o any_o thing_n to_o maintain_v it_o but_o i_o can_v otherwise_o excuse_v myself_o and_o i_o believe_v shall_v not_o find_v they_o in_o the_o except_v humour_n for_o it_o know_v then_o sir_n informer_n i_o dare_v not_o except_v against_o the_o phrase_n for_o fear_n of_o draw_v more_o fist_n about_o my_o ear_n than_o my_o own_o viz._n of_o all_o your_o divine_n and_o they_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d who_o you_o call_v calvinist_n for_o have_v you_o not_o read_v it_o or_o do_v you_o not_o remember_v it_o what_o bellarmin_n have_v say_v that_o calvin_n admit_v ordination_n for_o a_o sacrament_n and_o bellarmine_n do_v not_o belie_v calvin_n for_o he_o do_v so_o indeed_o these_o be_v his_o word_n lib._n iu._n ca._n 19_o sect_n 31._o superest_fw-la impositio_fw-la manuum_fw-la quam_fw-la ut_fw-la in_o veris_fw-la legitimisque_fw-la ordinationibus_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la esse_fw-la concedo_fw-la ita_fw-la nego_fw-la locum_fw-la habere_fw-la in_o hâc_fw-la fabulâ_fw-la etc._n etc._n how_o that_o be_v and_o in_o what_o sort_n he_o express_v himself_o lib._n iu._n cap._n 14._o sect_n 20._o nam_fw-la impositionem_fw-la manuum_fw-la quâ_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ministri_fw-la in_o suum_fw-la munus_fw-la initiantur_fw-la ut_fw-la non_fw-la invitus_fw-la patior_fw-la vocari_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la ita_fw-la inter_fw-la ordinaria_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la non_fw-la numero_fw-la he_o admit_v it_o a_o sacrament_n but_o not_o a_o ordinary_a sacrament_n no_o papist_n living_n i_o think_v will_v say_v or_o desire_v more_o it_o be_v not_o for_o all_o but_o for_o some_o which_o say_v of_o his_o be_v semblable_o express_v in_o that_o short_a small_a but_o perfect_a catechism_n in_o our_o communion_n book_n where_o the_o question_n be_v ask_v how_o many_o sacrament_n be_v there_o the_o answer_n be_v make_v two_o only_a as_o general_o necessary_a unto_o salvation_n not_o exclude_v other_o from_o that_o name_n and_o designation_n though_o from_o the_o prerogative_n and_o degree_n for_o touch_v sacramental_a unction_n it_o be_v observe_v out_o of_o m._n hooker_n that_o in_o the_o write_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n all_o article_n peculiar_a unto_o christian_a faith_n all_o duty_n of_o religion_n contain_v that_o which_o sense_n or_o natural_a reason_n can_v of_o itself_o discern_v be_v common_o call_v sacrament_n and_o this_o be_v not_o deny_v by_o b._n morton_z for_o if_o we_o shall_v speak_v of_o improper_a sacrament_n 339._o say_v he_o which_o be_v mention_v by_o the_o ancient_a father_n our_o adversary_n will_v not_o deny_v that_o not_o only_o seven_o but_o seventy_o time_n seven_o sacrament_n may_v be_v name_v therefore_o for_o the_o church_n of_o england_n sake_n be_v good_a to_o master_n mountagu_n in_o this_o sin_n of_o omission_n and_o unto_o the_o church_n of_o england_n for_o the_o ancient_a father_n sake_n unto_o they_o and_o unto_o all_o for_o b._n morton_n and_o m._n calvin_n sake_n who_o be_v the_o father_n of_o your_o divine_n call_v calvinist_n who_o for_o order_n will_v you_o suffer_v they_o to_o be_v call_v holy_a go_v as_o far_o as_o may_v be_v both_o for_o force_n and_o for_o form_n of_o administration_n as_o if_o ordination_n do_v in_o his_o opinion_n consist_v in_o relation_n unto_o some_o such_o gift_n or_o grace_n supernatural_a as_o only_a god_n can_v bestow_v be_v the_o powerful_a mean_n of_o god_n though_o in_o different_a degree_n unto_o eternal_a life_n it_o follow_v chap._n xxxiv_o information_n against_o the_o church-book_n of_o ordination_n which_o acknowledge_v the_o give_v and_o receive_v of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o sacred_a order_n so_o that_o priest_n have_v that_o interior_a grace_n &_o power_n confer_v upon_o they_o for_o the_o dispensation_n of_o divine_a mystery_n which_o other_o have_v not_o informer_n but_o deny_v our_o church_n to_o hold_v any_o such_o opinion_n these_o be_v his_o word_n this_o indeed_o be_v contrary_a to_o express_v word_n of_o our_o bible_n and_o therefore_o direct_o contrary_a to_o our_o opinion_n doctrine_n &_o practice_n chap._n xxxviii_o fol._n 269._o mountagu_n counterfeit_v at_o length_n will_v be_v dismask_v and_o hypocrisy_n appear_v in_o the_o true_a comportment_n for_o here_o sorex_n svo_fw-la se_fw-la indicio_fw-la the_o ape_n discover_v himself_o to_o be_v so_o by_o crack_v of_o nut_n so_o do_v these_o man_n who_o what_o and_o what_o side_n they_o be_v of_o puritan_n in_o faction_n and_o engrayn_v in_o their_o affection_n that_o way_n howsoever_o pretend_v conformity_n by_o subscription_n for_o what_o be_v that_o trow_v you_o that_o m._n mountagu_n deny_v our_o church_n to_o hold_v which_o these_o informer_n and_o their_o abbetter_n hold_v not_o which_o they_o deny_v which_o in_o their_o opinion_n be_v popery_n the_o gaggers_n imputation_n upon_o we_o and_o our_o church_n be_v that_o in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n no_o interior_a grace_n be_v give_v by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o holy_a order_n in_o effect_n that_o when_o it_o be_v formal_o and_o solemn_o say_v receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n this_o be_v but_o idle_a and_o without_o effect_n this_o imputation_n m._n mountagu_n deny_v to_o be_v true_a and_o just_a and_o affirm_v that_o in_o the_o resolution_n and_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n internal_a grace_n be_v confer_v now_o this_o these_o good_a informer_n have_v present_v to_o be_v a_o popish_a error_n namely_o the_o public_a and_o by_o parliament_n establish_v and_o authorise_a doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n so_o say_v their_o grand_a patriarch_n and_o father_n before_o they_o the_o puritan_n undertaker_n and_o complayner_n unto_o parliament_n also_o against_o the_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n papisticus_fw-la quidam_fw-la ritus_fw-la be_v their_o own_o word_n stultè_fw-la quidem_fw-la ab_fw-la illis_fw-la &_o sine_fw-la ullo_fw-la scripturae_fw-la fundamento_fw-la institutus_fw-la &_o à _fw-la disciplinae_fw-la nostrae_fw-la authoribus_fw-la pace_fw-la illorum_fw-la dixerim_fw-la non_fw-la magno_fw-la primum_fw-la judicio_fw-la acceptus_fw-la minore_fw-la adhuc_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la nostrâ_fw-la retinetur_fw-la eccles_n discipli_v pag._n 53._o they_o say_v we_o can_v give_v the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o therefore_o we_o do_v foolish_o to_o bid_v man_n receive_v it_o and_o yet_o these_o man_n that_o be_v of_o the_o clergy_n m._n yates_n and_o m._n ward_n have_v subscribe_v i_o hope_v that_o interior_a grace_n be_v give_v that_o be_v the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v give_v in_o ordination_n who_o present_a m._n mountagu_n as_o a_o papist_n for_o say_v so_o how_o can_v these_o priest_n answer_v the_o one_o act_n or_o the_o other_o when_o they_o enter_v into_o priesthood_n their_o profession_n be_v then_o among_o other_o thing_n acknowledge_v and_o subscribe_v that_o the_o book_n of_o order_v bishop_n priest_n and_o deacon_n contain_v nothing_o contrary_a unto_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o now_o it_o contain_v for_o this_o be_v express_o contain_v there_o which_o m._n mountagu_n among_o other_o point_n of_o popery_n deliver_v that_o interior_a grace_n that_o be_v the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v confer_v in_o holy_a order_n and_o that_o this_o be_v the_o opinion_n doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i_o may_v and_o do_v conclude_v with_o the_o viii_o canon_n against_o they_o leave_v the_o execution_n which_o i_o hope_v will_v not_o be_v neglect_v unto_o authority_n the_o canon_n be_v whosoever_o shall_v hereafter_o affirm_v or_o teach_v that_o the_o form_n and_o manner_n of_o make_v and_o consecrate_v bishop_n priest_n and_o deacon_n contain_v any_o thing_n in_o it_o contrary_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la these_o man_n have_v affirm_v it_o in_o most_o public_a manner_n for_o popery_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o they_o have_v impute_v popery_n to_o i_o for_o say_v as_o i_o and_o they_o have_v subscribe_v i_o refer_v it_o to_o they_o unto_o who_o it_o belong_v
whether_o they_o stand_v not_o therefore_o excommunicate_a not_o to_o be_v restore_v until_o they_o repent_v and_o public_o revoke_v such_o their_o wicked_a reror_n the_o censure_n of_o the_o canon_n but_o i_o proceed_v from_o ordination_n to_o execution_n of_o priesthood_n from_o the_o original_a deny_v unto_o the_o ministerial_a part_n reject_v also_o by_o they_o and_o so_o i_o shall_v have_v do_v with_o they_o chap._n xxxv_o touch_v power_n of_o priesthood_n to_o forgive_v sin_n priest_n have_v power_n to_o forgive_v sin_n not_o original_o but_o ministerial_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o ordination_n and_o communion_n book_n for_o public_a and_o private_a absolution_n the_o informer_n to_o lose_v the_o profit_n of_o their_o live_n and_o to_o be_v imprison_v without_o bail_n for_o declare_v against_o it_o informer_n this_o be_v the_o doctrine_n say_v he_o of_o our_o communion-booke_n and_o the_o practice_n of_o our_o church_n according_o that_o priest_n have_v power_n not_o only_o to_o pronounce_v but_o to_o give_v remission_n of_o sin_n chap._n xi_o pag._n 78._o 79._o mountagu_n first_o be_v please_v whosoever_o shall_v view_v or_o read_v this_o apology_n to_o take_v the_o true_a state_n and_o tenent_n in_o the_o point_n inform_v against_o by_o these_o promoter_n it_o be_v impose_v by_o the_o gagger_n as_o a_o doctrine_n authorise_v in_o our_o church_n none_o but_o god_n can_v forgive_v sin_n or_o retain_v they_o it_o be_v answer_v by_o i_o that_o in_o some_o sense_n it_o be_v true_a none_o else_o can_v do_v it_o viz._n by_o authority_n and_o right_a original_n because_o all_o sin_n be_v proper_o commit_v against_o god_n tibi_fw-la soli_fw-la peccavi_fw-la and_o that_o in_o some_o sense_n also_o it_o be_v not_o true_a for_o by_o delegation_n other_o also_o may_v do_v it_o ministerial_o god_n do_v forgive_v they_o by_o the_o ministry_n of_o man_n the_o priest_n to_o do_v this_o have_v power_n confer_v upon_o he_o by_o god_n in_o as_o ample_a sort_n as_o he_o or_o any_o man_n can_v receive_v it_o and_o that_o this_o be_v indeed_o the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n i_o prove_v by_o the_o witness_n of_o a_o enemy_n and_o therefore_o the_o strong_a produce_v the_o verdict_n of_o a_o papist_n who_o confess_v that_o protestant_n hold_v that_o priest_n have_v power_n not_o only_o to_o pronounce_v but_o to_o give_v remission_n of_o sin_n which_o seem_v to_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o communion_n book_n in_o the_o visitation_n of_o the_o sick_a where_o the_o priest_n say_v and_o by_o his_o authority_n commit_v unto_o i_o i_o absolve_v thou_o from_o all_z thy_o sin_n this_o be_v my_o relation_n hitherto_o of_o what_o i_o find_v so_o that_o here_o be_v commit_v crimen_fw-la falsi_fw-la by_o these_o informer_n i_o relate_v what_o one_o of_o that_o side_n say_v i_o say_v it_o not_o myself_o but_o only_o recognize_v the_o truth_n of_o his_o relation_n which_o i_o can_v not_o deny_v for_o in_o the_o visitation_n of_o the_o sick_a in_o the_o communion-booke_n the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n be_v as_o he_o relate_v it_o so_o that_o be_v it_o not_o justifiable_a which_o be_v here_o report_v these_o honest_a faithful_a brethren_n have_v put_v a_o trick_n upon_o i_o namely_o a_o assertion_n for_o a_o bare_a relation_n as_o if_o i_o have_v justify_v what_o i_o do_v but_o report_v but_o it_o be_v justifiable_a it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n the_o bishop_n of_o meath_z be_v of_o that_o opinion_n pag._n 109._o against_o a_o jesuit_n challenge_n he_o have_v do_v we_o open_a wrong_n in_o charge_v we_o to_o deny_v that_o priest_n have_v power_n to_o forgive_v sin_n and_o he_o give_v a_o reason_n irrefragable_a whereas_o the_o very_a formal_a word_n which_o our_o church_n require_v to_o be_v use_v in_o the_o ordination_n of_o a_o minister_n be_v these_o who_o sin_n thou_o do_v forgive_v they_o be_v forgive_v and_o who_o sin_n thou_o do_v retain_v they_o be_v retain_v the_o execution_n of_o which_o authority_n according_o be_v put_v in_o practice_n in_o the_o visitation_n of_o the_o sick_a and_o no_o man_n can_v say_v more_o or_o come_v more_o full_o home_o unto_o popery_n in_o this_o point_n than_o bishop_n morton_z in_o his_o appeal_v pag._n 270._o and_o indeed_o the_o power_n of_o absolution_n whether_o it_o be_v general_n or_o particular_a whether_o in_o public_a or_o in_o private_a it_o be_v profess_v in_o our_o church_n where_o both_o in_o our_o public_a service_n be_v proclaim_v pardon_n and_o absolution_n upon_o all_o penitent_n and_o a_o private_a apply_v of_o particular_a absolution_n unto_o penitent_n by_o the_o office_n of_o the_o minister_n and_o great_a power_n than_o this_o no_o man_n have_v receive_v from_o god._n in_o as_o much_o then_o as_o these_o informer_n declare_v and_o speak_v against_o some_o part_n of_o the_o communion-booke_n in_o the_o visitation_n of_o the_o sick_a for_o absolution_n in_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o that_o they_o stand_v convict_v thereof_o per_fw-la evidentiam_fw-la facti_fw-la by_o statute_n of_o 1._o of_o elizab_n they_o be_v to_o lose_v the_o profit_n of_o all_o their_o spiritual_a promotion_n and_o benefice_n for_o one_o year_n unto_o the_o king_n and_o without_o bail_n or_o maineprise_n to_o suffer_v imprisonment_n for_o half_a a_o year_n if_o they_o be_v not_o benefice_v their_o endurance_n be_v the_o long_o the_o punishment_n allot_v be_v one_o whole_a year_n imprisonment_n which_o it_o be_v not_o amiss_o that_o authority_n will_v deserve_o inflict_v upon_o they_o to_o teach_v they_o better_a manner_n hereafter_o than_o to_o call_v that_o a_o point_n of_o popery_n which_o be_v apparent_a and_o confess_v to_o be_v the_o express_a and_o avow_a doctrine_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n confirm_v for_o performance_n by_o act_n of_o parliament_n i_o leave_v the_o censure_n of_o their_o desert_n unto_o authority_n who_o it_o touch_v and_o proceed_v to_o the_o next_o information_n upon_o the_o same_o point_n though_o with_o some_o addition_n chap._n xxxvi_o priest_n only_o and_o none_o other_o have_v commission_n from_o christ_n to_o forgive_v sin_n the_o extravagancy_n of_o puritan_n and_o papist_n both_o in_o this_o point_n informer_n and_o a_o little_a after_o it_o be_v consess_v that_o all_o priest_n and_o none_o but_o priest_n have_v power_n to_o forgive_v sin_n chap._n xii_o pag._n 83._o mountagu_n and_o be_v it_o not_o so_o confess_v when_o by_o public_a warrant_n in_o ordination_n that_o power_n be_v give_v unto_o all_o priest_n to_o do_v so_o in_o those_o solemn_a word_n of_o ordination_n who_o sin_v you_o forgive_v they_o be_v forgive_v and_o unto_o none_o but_o priest_n because_o none_o have_v else_o such_o ordination_n if_o this_o be_v not_o confess_v i_o will_v put_v myself_o to_o you_o to_o school_v to_o learn_v and_o to_o know_v what_o be_v confess_v the_o fact_n be_v apparent_a you_o can_v say_v nay_o haply_o you_o will_v nay_o certain_o you_o do_v question_n 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