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A88972	An answer by letter to a worthy gentleman who desired of a divine some reasons by which it might appeare how inconsistent presbyteriall government is with monarchy. In which the platforme of that government is briefly delineated, with the tenents and suitable practices thereof. And withall it is demonstrated, that it is inconsistent with any government whatsoever; is full of faction, sedition and treason; an enemy to all peace, domesticall, neighbourly, brotherly, &c. against soveraigne authority, authority of all iudges, and iudicatories, entrenching upon all so farre, as there can be no liberty of person, trade, commerce or propriety, but at their pleasure who bear sway therein.	Maxwell, John, 1590?-1647.	1644 (1644)	Wing M1377; Thomason E53_13; ESTC R20000	49,076	82

Order of Episcopacy as Popish and Antichristian as M. Andrew Melvil and his disciples afterward maintained Nor were they so foolish to seclude all Church-men from voyce in Parliament onely their desire was that seeing the Popish Bishops were allowed to enjoy their Benefices and Rents during their life time this was more then our charitable glorious Reformers allowed to their Protestant Bishops now with all other Priviledges except spirituall jurisdiction that they should not sit in Parliament as the representative of the Church but in their places should sit the Superintendents and Commissioners of the Church Which indeed were somewhat like to Bishops but resembled more Arch-Presbyters then Bishops To returne againe thither from whence we digressed after that this platforme of discipline was so agreed and established as we told before M. Andrew Melvil comes to Scotland about the yeare 1574 or 75. ultra citra This man a good Hebrecian and Linguist and full of the Geneva Talmud which was now more refined beginneth to set Presbyterian discipline higher to make a second book of Policy or devout Imaginations acknowledgeth no more Orders in the Church then the foure above named A Bishop was no more in Scripture but the same identically with Presbyter and where Abbots and Priors to his time were nominated and admitted to the Abbies and Priories as Church-men gave their trialls and were collated as they speake by the superintendents This great Doctor found out another Divinity that there was no Bishop but a Parish Priest Scripture for Abbots and Priors there were none such in God's book At this time and from that they call Reformation to this time there was no Bishoprick nor Abbie annexed to the Crowne and consequently not impropriate to any Subject It is true Lay-men held them in commendam by the King's gift but as men able to doe the King and Church good service and before their right could be completed or perfected they were to returne to the King from the Superintendent a collation or certificate that he was of that ability to doe good service to the King and Church Men sacrilegiously disposed grasped greedily this doctrine and thanked God that their names as Abbots Priors were not in the book of God And to have these Church livings and dignities with Bishopricks annexed to the Crowne and from thence to impropriate them to them and their heires they deified M. Melvil and contributed their best wits and uttermost power to raise Presbyteriall government higher And by the sole authority of that they call the Church they began without the King Councell or Parliament's consent or authority to distribute the whole Kingdome into so many Presbyteries as they thought fit in their discretion and by the direction of the holy Spirit and did procure private subscriptions to their new Book of Policie and put it in practice Sir I hope you are the more apt to beleeve this because you know in England the disciplinarians in London meetings debated and established their orders in secret and not warrantable Conventicles and much about the same time and great correspondence was entertained betwixt the Scots and the English at that time How that book of Discipline was practised without any authority in Surrey and Northamptonshire and other places you know well enough Now I pray you when without Authority by their owne inherent radicall Right they make Orders reforme establish a Discipline doe these men imagine that the concurrence of Christian authority Soveraigne is absolutely necessary or that their demand is any thing else but an act of courtesie when by themselves and assistants they may establish and practise it This Second book of Policie Master Melvils reformation is the Epocha of our second Reformation The fruits of which I will tell you were the Annexation of all Bishopricks Abbyes Priories c. to the Crown which was effectuated anno 1587. If you will cast your eyes upon the third glorious reformation that makes the Popes knees shake like Belshazzars when he did see the handwriting on the Wall that is if we will speak truly this deformation which is the disgrace of reformed Catholike Religion and which threatneth Church and Religion King and Kingdom with ruine you will find these men have sung a note above Ela have ordered and practised more then all that went before them Hanc movere nolo Camarinam I hope a better wit and more elegant and eloquent pen shall some time Anatomise this Monster and so lay it open to the view of the world that it shall appeare to be no true brood of the Reformed Catholike Protestant Religion 2. Secondly another argument to prove that this Superlative Soveraignty in spiritualibus hath all its most naturall Subjects at its devotion and obedience is this that what they command to be Preached must sound alike in all their Synagogues And whosoever he be that is the Minister of the Kings family he must Preach the same There is no coequall corrivall or coordinate power that can doe so much as intercedere make the least sort of crossing opposing or interposing Is it not known that the Kings Minister in Scotland at the direction of this Conclave when his Councell have been to meet frequently for Treaty with Ambassadors from forrain Kings upon the Lord's day or Week-daies Sermon before the meeting {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} in great freedom of the Spirit hath told him all the Counsell of God from Heaven with a denunciation of Iudgements if he swerve from it And if the King had gone to the Church of Edenburgh a Beardlesse boy had told him more sound wisdome from Heaven how to article and conclude in matters of Highest concernment betwixt him and Spaine or him and France then all the wisest Councellors and greatest Nobles in the Land and this forsooth must be the King and Councell's rule 3. Thirdly doe they not challenge to themselves the sole power to appoynt publike fasts to give the reasons of it which ordinarily are that Gods judgements are incumbent and imminent upon Church and Kingdom for the sinnes of the Governour and Governours and that the Government is amisse And the consequent or effect of these fasts is too too frequently and ordinarily some Commotion Sedition Rebellion or at least some change of Court Councell or Session I cannot here passe by a storie as true as strange While King Iames was in Scotland two French Ambassadors had remained some months there with Him being ready to depart and take their leave of the King the King for His own and the French Kings greater Honour sent on a Satterday for the Major and Aldermen of Edenburgh commanding them the very next Monday to Feast the French Ambassadors The Ministers of Edenburgh to affront the King and the King of France too on Sunday intervening indict a solemne fast to be kept to morrow on Monday the day appoynted the Saterday before by His Majesty for the entertainment of the

Ambassodors The Magistrats of Edenburgh proudly contemne the command of the supream spirituall powers and out of carnall affection feast the King the French Ambassadors Royally Nobly on Monday when the Ministers the good Christians of Edenburgh fast the King the Ambassadors and Magistrates of Edenburgh feast ô facinus horrendum But to avert Gods judgement from the Land the Major and Aldermen were cited and convented here was some favour that the King and Ambassadors were not but I will tell you it was partiality and corruption for some of the Ministers were the Kings Pensioners and this kept the King free to be censured for their high Scandall in contemning so solemne a Fast There was much work but the King who was the chiefe and almost sole transgressor with interposed delayes and much sollicitation and prudence took off the edge of their zeale and the pursuit ceased 4. That this Assembly is Soveraigne in all Spiritualls admits no Coordinate or Coequall power farre lesse a superior is cleer in this That if any Preacher be charged before King or Councell for any offence to be punished if they in any case can cloath it with a spirituall respect or circumstantiate it so that it may be qualified for the Spirltuall High Sanhedrim the party cited and convented may and ought to appeale to the Generall Assembly as to the Iudge competent Mr Andrew Melvil if I be not deceived was the first Spirituall Councellor of Law that taught this way It is certain that what they Preach in Pulpit is not censurable by King Parliament nor Councell or any Iudge or Iudicatory else There be two reasons for it one is that Spiritus Prophetarum subjecti prophetis the spirit of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets onely 1. Cor. 14. the t'other is whilst men are there in that infallible pulpit they are ruled by some superior good spirit and they dare not blame or condemne them least they should offend and sinne against the Spirit and so although a man Preach downright Treason if it be in this place he is priviledged It is known and I hope yet remembred that after King Iames of blessed memory anno 1584. made many good Lawes to curbe the Insolency of Ministers did by Statute and Act of Parliament declare His Supremacy over Ecclesiasticall Persons and causes condemne all Iudicatories in use which were not by his own authority established He meaned the Presbyteriall That the Ministers then did importune the King to repeale them and when that would not doe did they not fall at last into open railing against him in pulpit as an enemy to Christ and his Kingdom they dispersed through the Kingdom infamous libells against his Person and Royall Honour they branded him as an Apostate from the truth and reviled him as an ofspring of the cruell and bloody house of Guise This forced the King to put out a Declaration anno 1585. in Print yet extant to vindicate himselfe and his Honour from that unchristian and more then disloyall calumnies At or about the very same time some fugitive Ministers out of Scotland pretending they were persecuted did in the Pulpits of London with their fowle mouths raile against His Majesty the wisest and learnedst of Kings so that the Scottish Ambassador was forced to complaine to Queen Elizabeth of it Her Majesty gave present order to the Lord Bishop of London then to silence all the Scottish Preachersthere Now that this Sanhedrim is only competent Iudge in Spiritualibus and that one convented before King and Councell may decline his and the Councel's authority although he hath Preached Treason appeareth cleerly 1. First if this had not been an ordinary practice before this time what needeth the making of that Act of Parliament anno 1584. declaring it Treason in all time to come to decline the Power and Iurisdiction of the King and His Councell 2. Secondly has not Iames Gibsonne Minister at Pencaitland witnessed for or against himselfe rather in this case in Print who publiquely in his Preachings compared His Majesty unto Ieroboam told him He should be the last of His Race reproached him as a Persecutor and much more of this zealous stuffe who being convented before the King and Councell and accused of those pious crimes He with that boldnesse becometh His Order justified all saying to His Majesty As long as you maintain these cursed acts of 1584. the tyranny of Bishops you are a Persecutor And addes that as Jeroboam for the leading of the people of Israell from the Lawes of the house of Iudah and from the true worship of God was rooted out he and all his posterity so should the King if He continued in that wicked course maintaining those wicked acts against God be rooted out and conclude the race much more to the like purpose was said if any look upon the Privy Councell Books of the Kingdom of Scotland he will find this a truth He was convented 27. December anno 1585. This man was an Oracle consulted and gave his answer in Coppinger Arthington and Hacket's extraordinary motion which storie you know better then I. Mr Black Minister of St Andrew's was convented too before the King and Councell about the same time who appealed from King and Councell to the Presbytery or Generall Assembly this last had spoken against both King and Queen There was a great businesse for the two mens appeales their brethren sided so much with them that the King had too much to doe At last out of more then warrantable indulgence His Majesty was content to insist no farther against them before His Councell but to remit their censure to the Generall Assembly it selfe before which it was cleerly proved that in pulpit they had spoken reproachfull and Treasonable speeches yet could the King by no power or entreaty obtain of them to inflict any punishment upon them because said they They knew not with what Spirit they were overruled I will shut up this poynt with one instance more then sufficient to make the truth of what I say to appeare Before King Iames came to the Crowne of England it was ordinary in Scotland to have a Generall Assembly once a yeare and oftner pro re natâ upon any great exigent The last which was kept during His Majesties abode there was Anno 1602. in the close of which the next ensuing was appoynted to be at Aberdine Anno 1603. in the interim the King succeeding to Q. Elizabeth and being in England He was so much taken up with the affaires of the Kingdom that He was necessitated to lay aside those concerned Scotland and for this reason His Majesty thought it fit to adjourne the Assembly unto which he had a speciall eye knowing their turbulent disposition and experienced in it whilest he was present amongst them to the next Summer in Anno 1604. When the time appoynted was come His Majesties more weighty affaires not suffering him to think upon the Assemblies businesse He gave

regard the King had made defection from the true Religion He being the nearest of the blood should come and take the Government upon him I know the just Copy of this Letter is extant to this day They runne to Armes the word is The Sword of the Lord and Gideon The good King was in the place of Iustice the prime of the Octavians with him hearing something of the uproare and tumult by a secret passage he and some other goe up to the Exchequer house overhead A great Lord was head of the Congregation he and some others came Commissioners to the King were admitted demanded those ●●tavians to justice The King askes this Lord how durst he against His authority His Lawes His Proclamation keep unlawfull meetings at Edenburgh for the King before had discharged the meeting of those Commissioners of Assemblie or any other meeting whatsoever without his Royall warrand The Lord with courage in zeale to a good cause told the King that he should see ere long they durst to doe more The Lord or some other taketh hold of one of the Octavians Gowne who was President of Session but he pulleth his Gowne out of his hand and conveyeth himselfe downe to the house where the Lords did sit in judgement In fine the King and Lords were forced to shun the danger of this tumultuarie insurrection to close up the doores and some to stand with their swords drawne if any should offer violence to break up the doores Some good Subjects especially Alexander Home of Northborvick for the time Provost of Edenburgh and Roger Mackmath whom King Iames ordinarily called His Bailie with others well disposed and Loyally affected Subjects and namely the Hammer-men rise up in Armes for the King who partly by smooth words and partly by threats husht and housed the Factious and Seditious The King came out of the place of Iudicatorie and on foot attended with many Nobles Gentlemen and other good Subjects came to His Pallace at Halyrude-house in Peace where immediatly in the afternoon he convened his Privy-Councell and by his Wisdome and Authority so repressed and punished that insolencie that all the time of His Raigne the like Barbarous treacherous course was never attempted I hope you are the more apt to believe this when you remember what a Petition or Declaration was presented to Queen Elizabeth at Green●●ch anno 1582. to remove from her Service and Trust such as they know were not well affected to the Religion and Church Sir I could make it appeare how all Seditions almost and Rebellions in that Kingdom have been set a foot or fomented by this Government Presbyterian How neighbourly Feudes have been encreased and entertained How Moneys collected for the reliefe and support of Geneva were by the chiefe Gamaliels and Presbyters interverted employed to raise and pay Souldiers to ayde and assist the Earle of Bothvell and his complices in Rebellion against the King I feare I have wearied you already the Subject is everlasting and I am weary of it If I should give account of the late practices and tenets of this late Covenant it were possible to let you see that it hath farre exceeded all the mischiefe ever their forefathers did although they tread in the same footsteps The reason why I have spared it is not I feared it I hope to discover it sometime to the World by anatomising it fully Next I hope you have espyed the Noble passages of it and are sufficiently confirmed that nothing can be more destructive of Monarchie and the Peace of any government To shut up all give me leave in the close to give the Articles of their Apostaticall Creed inconsistent with Monarchie which they hold as the twelve Articles of the Apostolicall Symbole I will touch onely the prime of those for for their other Articles they are so many and of so vast an extent abounding in Negatives that as King Iames saith well he that would keep them is not able to keep them in his Braine but must keep them in a Table Booke The Articles of the Dogmaticall Presbyterian Faith inconsistent with Monarchie 1. AS I have said before They Preach and maintaine that the Church is the house of God the civill Policy and Government are onely the hangings 2. Next they beleeve all Ministers are pari consortio honoris potestatis praediti that there must be a parity in the Church Ioyne these two together and you have a faire way for Democracie 3. They vindicate to themselves and their Consistory a soveraigne complete universall independent power in all things spirituall that concerne Salvation they have not onely the directive power but the Legislative also and all temporall things in order to Salvation and Religion come within the verge of their Scepter All soveraigne Power wheresoever you fixe it whether in one as in a Monarchie or in few as in an Aristocracie or in many or all by vicissitudinarie turnes have onely the Executive power to doe as they command and is bound to preserve by it's Power Lawes and Armes their sacred and celestiall Priviledges and Soveraignty 4. Whatsoever Lawes civilly enacted by King or Parliament they conceive to be against the Lawes of the Kingdome of Christ by their native proper intrinsecall right immediately derived from Christ they may repeale and make voyd discharge the Subject to obey them They may decree not onely different Lawes of their owne from the standing Lawes of the Kingdome but contrary contradictory and destructive of them And have withall so much coactive power that if obedience be denyed to the Lawes of this Soveraignty they can destroy the Soules of the Subjects by delivering them over to Satan 5. No Minister Preaching in Pulpit Sedition or Treason or railing at King Councell the prime Iudges is accountable or punishable by King Parliament Councell or any Iudicatory whatsoever But from all he may appeale to the Sanhedrim and Consistorie as the sole and proper competent Iudge 6. What Corroboration or civill Confirmation or Sanction they demand of the King which he is able to doe civilly for they will give him no formall interest in any sacred or religious thing He is bound to Grant it and to obey them as Christ's immediate Vice-gerents otherwise they may Excommunicate him 7. Reformation and preservation of Religion especially to prescribe the way and Orders for Reformation is solely theirs 8. The King is bound to put their Orders in Execution but if neither He nor His Councell nor His Parliament will doe it the Inferiour Iudges the Nobles the Commons nay every individuall man to his utmost power at their direction are bound to doe it 9. That they may without warrant of supreame Authority Assemble where and when they will for God and Christ's cause and for the Liberty and Peace of Subject and Kingdome in ordine ad spiritualia and there they may Covenant together sweare and subscribe for the glory of God the advancement of Religion and conspire and combine