dissensionem consensum in vera Religione firmandum that is to say to take away diversitie of Opinions and to establish an agreement in the true Religion Which end could never be effected if men were left unto the liberty of dissenting or might have leave to put their own sense upon the Articles But whereas our instances in the Article of Christs descent into Hell telling us that Christs preaching unto the Spirits there on which the Article seemed to be grounded in King Edwards Book was left out in this and thereupon inferreth that men are left unto a latitude concerning the cause time manner of his discent I must needs say that he is very much mistaken For first the Church of England hath alwaies constantly maintained a local Descent though many which would be thought her Children the better to comply with Calvin and some other Divines of forain Nations have deviated in this point from the sense of the Church And secondly the reason why this Convocation left out that passage of Christ preaching to the spirits in hell was not that men might be left unto a latitude concerning the cause time and manner of his Descent as our Author dreams but because that passaage of St. Peter being capable of some other interpretations was not conceived to be a clear and sufficient evidence to prove the Article For which see Bishop Bilsons Survey p. 388.389 Fuller I cannot fully concur with the Animadvertor That the Church of England hath constantly maintained a LOCAL DESCENT though no man hath an higher esteem for those worthy Writers who are of that perswasion I will confess this hitherto hath staggered me viz. St. Peter his application of Davids words to Christ thou shalt not leave my soul in hel I appeal whether these words import not a favour to all unprejudiced hearers which God did to his Son bearing this natural and unviolated sense That had God left Christs soul in hell his soul had been in a bad condition as being there in a suffering capacity but Gods Paternal affection to his dear Son would not leave his soul in hell but did rescue it thence Now all our Protestant and especially English Writers who maintain a LOCAL DESCENT doe very worthily in opposition to the Romish Error defend that Christ was then in a good estate yea in a triumphing condition Now then it had been no favour not to leave his soul in Hell but a less love unto him to contract his happiness in his triumph I protest that in this or any other point I am not possest with a spirit of opposition and when I am herein satisfied in any good degree I shall become the Animadvertors thankful Convert in this particular Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 74. In a word concerning this clause whether the Bishops were faulty in their addition or their opposites in their substraction I leave to more cunning Arithmeticians to decide The Clause here spoken of by our Author is the first Sentence in the twentieth Article entituled De Ecclesiae Authoritate where it is said that the Church hath power to decree Rites and Ceremonies and Authority in Controversies of the Faith c. Fuller To this and to what ensueth in two leaves following I return no answer not because I am pinched therein with any matter of moment but for these reasons following First I understand That the Animadvertors Stationer taketh exception that I have printed all his book which may tend to his detriment Now I protest when I â—irst took up this resolution to present the Animadvertors whole Cloth List Fagg and all I aimed not at his damage but my own defence noâ— can I see how I could doe otherwise seeing the plaister must be as broad as the sore the tent as deep as the wound yea I have been inâ—ormed by prime Stationers the like hath formerly been done without exception taken on either side in the Replies and Rejoynders betwixt Dr. Whitgift and Mr. Cartwright and many others However being willing to avoid all appearance of injury I have left out some observations which I conceived might well be spared as containing no pungent matter against me Secondly I am confident That there needs no other answer to these notes then the distinct and serious perusal of my Church History with the due alteration of favour indulged to all writings Lâ—stly What of moment in these notes is omitted by me relateth to those two Church Questions in Law which I have formerly desired may fairly be ventilated betwixt the Animadvertor and me and if he be sensible That any thing herein tendeth to his advantage he may and no doubt will re-assume and enforce the same Dr. Heylin From the Articles our Author proceeds unto the Homilies approved in those Articles and of them he tels us Fol. 75. That if they did little good they did little harm With scorn and insolence enough Those Homilies were so composed as to instruct the people in all positive Doctrines necessary for Christian men to know with reference both to Faith and Manners and being penned in a plain style as our Author hath it were fitter for the edification of the common people than either the strong lines of some or the flashes of vain wit in others in these latter times c. Fuller With scorn and insolence I defie the words The Animadvertor might have added my words immediately following viz. They preached not strange Doctrines to People as too many vent DARKNESSES now a dayes intituled New Ligâ—ts And well had it been for the peace and happiness of the Church if the Animadvertor and all of his Party had had as high an esteem as the Author hath for the Homilies If none of them had called them HOMELY HOMILIES as one did And if they had conformed their practise to the second Homilie in the second Book and not appeared so forward in countenancing Images of God and his Saints in Churches Dr. Heylin The Author proceeds Fol. 76. The English Bishops conceiving themselves impowred by their Canons began to shew their authority in urging the Clergy of their Diocess to subscribe to the Liturgy Ceremonies and Discipline of the Church and such as refused the same were branded with the odious name of Puritans Our Author having given the Parliament a power of confirming no Canons as before was shewed he brings the Bishops acting by as weak Authority in the years 1563. 1564. there being at that time no Canons for them to proceed upon for requiring their Clergy to subscribe to the Liturgies Ceremonies and Discipline of the Church And therefore if they did any such thing it was not as they were impowred by their Canons but as they were inabled by that Authority which was inherent naturally in their Episcopal Office Fuller I profess my self not to understand the sense of the Animadvertor and what he driveth at herein And as soon as I shall understand him I will either fully concur with him or fairly
new peice of cloth must be more unfashionable Besides that many of these old ends are so light and ludicrous so little pertinent to the business which he has in hand that they serve only to make sport for Children ut pueris placeas Declamatio fias and for nothing else Fuller Had the Animadvertor come with a good stomach such larding had been no bad Cookery Certain I am that a Comment admitteth less latitude in this kind than a Church-History Certain I am also that a Comment on the Creed is allowed less Liberty then other Comments Now the Animadvertor hath be scattered his every where with Verses and Translations It consisteth not with my Charity to miscall it a Creed-Romance accounting it a sin so to decry or disparage his usefull endevours The best way to discover the deformity of my Fabrick is for the Animadvertor to erect a more beautifull Building hard by it that so his rare and regular may shame my rude peece of Architecture What if such mixtures make the Garment which also I utterly deny to be less in the fashion the fondling of Fancy I made it not for Sight but Service that it might be strong and warm to the Wearers thereof I stand on my justification that no such light or ludicrous Verses are to be found in my Book which render it to just exception But no wonder if the Bel clinketh even as the prejudic'd Hearer thinketh thereof Dr. Heylyn This leads me to the next impertinency his raking into the Chanel of old Popish Legends writ in the darker times of Superstition but written with an honest zeal and a good intention as well to raise the Reader to the admiration of the person of whom they write as to the emulation of his virtues But being mixt with some Monkish dotages the most learned and ingenious men in the Church of Rome have now laid them by and it had been very well if our Author had done so to but that there must be something of entertainment for the gentle Reader and to inflame the reckoning which he pays not for Fuller I have not raked into the Kennel of old Popish Legends who took the clearest water in this kind out of those Rivers which run at this day in highest Reputation with the Romanists I never cited any Legend but either out of Harpsfield who wrote in the last Generation and was as Ingenuous as any of his Perswasion or else out of Hierom Porter his Flores Sanctorum who wrot some forty years and in high esteem with the Papists at this day as appears by the dear price thereof I confess I have instanced taking ten perchance out of ten thousand in the grossest of them that is the fairest Monster which is most Deformed partly to shew what a Spirit of Delusion acted in that Age partly to raise our Gratitude to God seeing such Lying vanities are now ridiculous even to children I believe not the Animadvertor when saying that the most learned and Ingenious of Rome have laid them aside seeing Cornelius à lapide weaveth them in all along his comments and K. Iames did justly complain that Bellarmine himself did mar his pretty Books of Devotion with such Legendary mixtures Dr. Heylyn But above all things recommend me to his Merry Tales and scraps of Trencherjests frequently interlaced in all parts of the History which if abstracted from the rest and put into a Book by themselves might very well be serv'd up for a second course to the Banquet of Iests a Supplement to the old Book entituled Wits Fits and Fancies or an additional Century to the old Hundred Merry Tales so long since extant But standing as they do they neither do become the gravity of a Church-Historian nor are consistent with the nature of a sober argument Fuller The Animadvertor should have rendred me liable to just Reproof by instancing in One of those Tales so inconsistent with the gravity of a Church-Historian which no doubt he had done but because he knew himself unable to produce it He who is often seen to snap hastily at and feed hungerly on an hard crust will not be believed if bragging that he can eat Pheasants and Partridges at his Pleasure And seeing the Animadvertor doth commonly carp and cavil at the silly shadows of seeming mistakes in my Book it is utterly improbable he can yet will not charge me with a fault which cannot be defended But let him at leasure produce the most light and ludicrous Story in all my Book and here I stand ready to Parallel it with as light I say not in the Animadvertor but in as Grave Authors as ever put Pen to Paper Dr. Heylyn But as it seems our Author came with the same thoughts to the writing of this present History as Poets anciently address themselves to the writing of Comedies of which thus my Terence Poeta cum primùm animum ad scribendum appulit Id sibi negotii credidit solum dari Populo ut placerent quas fecisset fabulas That is to say Thus Poets when their mind they first apply In looser verse to frame a Comedy Think there is nothing more for them to do Then please the people whom they speak unto Fuller I admire that the Animadvertor who so lately had taxed me for writing and translating of Verses will now do the same himself There is a double people-pleasing One sordid and servile made of falshood and flattery which I defie and detest The other lawful when men deliver and dress Truth in the most plausible expression I have a precedent above Exception to warrant it even Solomon himself Eccles. 12.10 The Preacher sought out Acceptable words This I did and will aim at in all my writings and I doubt not but that the Animadvertor's Stationer doth hope and desire that he hath thus pleased people in his Book for the advancing of the price and quickning the Sale thereof Dr. Heylyn In the last place proceed we to the manifold excursions about the Antiquity of Cambridge built on as weak Authority as the Monkish Legends and so impertinent to the matter which he hath in hand that the most Reverend Mat. Parker though a Cambridge man in his Antiquitates Britannicae makes no business of it The more impertinent in regard that at the fag-end of his Book there follows a distinct History of that University to which all former passages might have been reduced But as it seems he was resolved to insert nothing in that History but what he had some probable ground for leaving the Legendary part thereof to the Church-Romance as most proper for it And certainly he is wondrous wise in his generation For fearing lest he might be asked for those Bulls and Chartularies which frequently he relates unto in the former Books he tells us in the History of Cambridge fol 53. That they were burnt by some of the seditious Townsmen in the open Market place Anno 1380. or thereabouts So that for want of other
by an Arch-bishop attended with prayers and a Sermon 2. I never expected that a Chaplain to K. Charles should find fault with any thing tending to the honour of his Lord How can any good Disciple grudge at what is expended 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 on the buriall of the Memory of his Master being the last in this kind 3. My Collections I mean printed by me but observed by my most worthy Friend are abating onely the uncertain place of the Lord Maior most critically exact Lastly though the Heralds Office doth carefully preserve all such Ceremonyes yet cannot all persons living at great distance and desiring information herein have on all occasions so facill and convenient access to their Office as to my Printed Book Dr. Heylyn The like may be said also of the quick and active Raigns of Edward the the sixth and Queen Mary in which the wâ—ole Body of the reformed Religion was digested setled and destroyed sufficient of it self to make a competent Volume but contracted by our Author like Homer's Iliads in the Nut-shell into less than 25. sheets And yet in that small Abstract we find many Impertinences as to the work he hath in hand that is to say the great proficiency of King Edward in his Grammar Learning exemplified in three pieces of Latine of his making when he was but eight or nine yerrs old Fuller Just reason of such contraction because of Mr. Fox his dilatation on the same Where he found my fault he if so pleased might have found my defence viz. If Papists preserve the Nailes and Hairs of their supposed Saints give me leave to Record the first Essays of this Pious Prince especially they being unprinted rarieties with which no Divine or Schollar save the Animadvertor alone would or could have found any fault Dr. Heylyn The long Narrative of Sir Edward Montague Chief Justice of the Common Pleas to vindicate himself from being a voluntary Agent in the business of the Lady Iane Gray needlesly inserted Fuller King Edward the sixth his passing the Crown over the heads of his two Sisters to his Cousin the Lady Iane is a piece of Church-History because the continuing of the Protestant Religion is all the plausible Plea for the same and the fair varnish of so foul a Ground-work This passage of Consequence is defectively delivered by our Historians some Circumstances thereof being hitherto lockt from the world Some have endevoured to force the lock by their bold Conjectures I am the first that have brought the true key and opened it from Judge Montague's own hand truely Passive though charged to be most Active therein driven with the Tempest of Duke Dudley's anger against the Tide of his own Inclinations I prize a Dram of acceptance from the Ingenuous Reader above a Pound of the Animadvertor's Cavilling which is offended with my inserting of so authentique and informative a Manuscript Dr. Heylyn Needless the full and punctual relation of Wyats Rebellion and the Issue of it though acted upon some false grounds of Civil Interess without relating to Religion or to Church Affairs Infinitum esset ire per singula c. Fuller This Rebellion was grounded on Erronious Principles of Religion and therefore Goodman Il-man did in his Book of that Subject entitle it GODS-CAUSE and though souly mistaken therein it is enough to reduce this Design to Church-concernment Had I omitted it the Animadvertor would have charged me with Puritanical pardon the Prolepsis compliance so hard it is to please him either full or fasting Dr. Heylyn But well it were if onely Aberrations from Historicall truth were to be met with in our Author In whom we find such a continual vein of Puritanism such dangerous grounds for Inconformity and Sedition to be raised upon as easily may pervert the unwary Reader whom the facetiousness of the style like a Hook baited with a painted Fly may be apt to work on Murthering of Kings avowed for a necessary prudence as oft as they shall fall into the power of their Subjects Lib. 4. fol. 109. Fuller The Page cited by him happily happeneth to be the Initial One of a Section and hath no more therein then as followeth Church-History Book 4. Page 109. Soon after his Death K. Edward was much lamented by those of whom in his liâ—e time he was never beloved Whether this proceeded from the meer mutaâ—ility â—f mens minds weary to loiter long in the lazie posture of the same affection Or whether it proceeded from the Pride of Mortimer whose insolence grew intolerable Or whether because his punishment was generally apprehended too heavy for his fault so that Deposition without Death or at the worst Death without such unhumane cruelty had been sufficient One of our English-Poet-Historians accquainteth us with a passage which to my knowledge appeareth not in any other Author This all in that page Reader I request thee do Me thy Self and Truth right Whether can my avowance of King-murdering be collected from any thing here written by me But because some will say the Quotation possibly may be mistaken If any thing sounding to that sense there or elsewhere be found in my Book may the Ravens of the Valleys whom I behold as loyall Subjects in Vindication of the Eagle their Soveraign pick out my eyes for delivering such rebellious Doctrine Dr. Heylyn The Coronation of Kings and consequently their succession to the Crown of England made to depend upon the suffrage and consent of the People Lib. 11. fol. 122. The Sword extorted from the Supream Magistrate and put into the hands of the common People whensoever the Reforming humor shall grow strong amongst them Lib. 9. fol. 51. The Church depriv'd of her Authority in determining controversies of the Faith and a dispute rais'd against that clause of the Article in which that Authority is declared whether forg'd or not Lib. 9. fol. 73. Fuller Stylus Equabilis Here is a continued Champian large Levell and fair Flat of fourteen untruths at least without any Elevation of Truth interposed No such matter in that place as hereafter shall appear False as the former as in due time and place cited now afterwards by him eagerly improved will appear I am depraved unjustly who never deprived ' the Church of her Authority I raised no such Dispute but would have quel'd it if in my power All which I refer to my Answer to these respective Quotations Dr. Heylyn Her power in making Canons every where prostituted to the lust of the Parliament contrary both to Law and constant practise Fuller Every where is No where And seeing no particular place is instanced to a General Charge a General Deniall shall suffice Let me add that whereas the Animadvertor hereafter taxeth me for calling the two Houses the Parliament we therefore may presume that he not running on the same rock by Parliament meaneth the King Lords and Commons which granted how much of loyalty and Discretion there is in these his words prostituted to the LUST
humbly desiring your Grace as the same hath heretofore so from henceforth to shew your Graces minde and opinion unto us what your high Wisdome shall think convenient which we shall most gladly hear and follow if it shall please God to inspire us so to doe with all submission and humility beseech the same following the steps of of your most Noble Progenitors and conformably to your our own Acts doe maintain and defend such Laws and Ordinances as we according to our calling and by Authority of God shall for his honour make to the edification of vertue and maintaining Christs faith of which your Highnesse is named Defender and hath been hitherto indeed a special Protector Furthermore whereas your said Lay Subjects say that sundry of the said Laws extend in certain causes to your excellent Person your Liberty and Prerogative Royal and to the interdiction of your Land and Possessions To this your said Orators say that having submitted the tryal and examining of the Laws made in the Church by us and our Predecessors to the just and straight Rule of Gods Laws which giveth measure of Power Prerogative and Authority to all Emperors Kings Princes and Potentates and all other we have conceiv'd such opinion and have such estimation of your Majesties goodnesse and vertue that whatsoever any persons not so well learned as your Grace is would pretend unto the same whereby we your most humble Subjects may be brought in your Graces displeasure and indignation surmising that we should by usurpation and presumption extend our Laws to your most noble Person Prerogative and Realm yet the same your Highnesse being so highly learn'd will of your own most bounteous goodnesse facilly discharge and deliver us from that envy when it shall appear that the said Laws are made by us or out Predecessors conformable and maintainable by the Scripture of God and determination of the Church against which no Laws can stand or take effect Somewhat to this purpose had been before endeavoured by the Commons in the last Parliament of King Edw. 3. of which because they got nothing by it but only the shewing of their teeth without hurting any body I shall lay nothing in this place reserving it to the time of the long Parliament in the Reign of King Charles when this point was more hotly followed and more powerfully prosecuted than ever formerly What sayes our Author unto this Findes he here any such matter as that the Laity at their pleasure could limit the Canons of the Church Or that such Canons in whatsoever touched temporals were subject unto secular Laws and National Customes And here of I desire the Reader to take special notice as that which is to serve for a Catholicon or general Antidote against those many venomous insinuations which he shall meet with up and down in the course of this History As for the case in which our Author grounds this pestilent Position it was the Canon made in a Synod at Westminster in the time of Anselm Anno 1102. prohibiting the sale of men and women like brute beasts in the open Market Which Canon not finding presently an universal obedience over all the Kingdome as certainly ill customes are not easily left when they are countenanced by profit occasioned our Author to adventure upon this bold assertion Fuller I conceived it uncivil to interrupt the Animadvertor in his long discourse until he had ended it and now professe I know not how it maketh in opposition to what I said and heartily wish that the Reader may understand it better than I doe It cannot be denyed but that the Clergy did claim and challenge a power and sometimes de facto executed it over the temporal Estates of the Laâ—ty for I behold the Clergy more bound because binding themselves by their representatives unto their Canons yet they never peaceably injoyed their Power as constantly checkt and controled by the Laws of the Land in such things wherein the Temporal Estate Life and Limb of Persons were concerned We have an eminent instance hereof in the Canon occasioning this discourse Anselme makes a Constitution and that indeed charitable and Christian against the sale of men and women like brute beasts in the open market place Now such persons sold slaves and Vassals as I understand it being the Goods and Chattels of their Masters the proprietaries and owners of their Bodies they would not part with their right in obedience to the Canon Suppose a Convocation some thirty years agoe should have made a Canon without any confirmation from Parliament That no Merchant living in England should by his Factors sell any Negroes or Blacks in the Barbadoes which formerly he had bought in Guinnie it would not oblige to the observation thereof because in such matters wherein propertie was concerned the Canon must say to the Common-Law By your leave Sir I have writen nothing in this point buâ— what I have a good Author for And seeing the Animadvertor in his Geography hath been pleased to tell a passage betwixt him and his fathers man let me relate another wherein my self was concerned knowing it to be as true and hoping it to be as well applyed Some three years since walking on the Lords day into the Park at Copthall the third son a child in coats of the Earl of Dorset desired to goe with me whereof I was unwilling fearing he should straggle from me whilest I meditated on my Sermon And when I told him that if he went with me he would lose himself he returned Then you must lose your self first for I will goe with you This rule I alwayes observe when medling with matters of Law because I my self am a child therein I will ever goe with a man in that faculty such as is most eminent in his profession à cujus latere non discedam so that if he lose me he shall first lose himself as hereafter when we grapple together in this Controversie will appear As for this particular case for I will engage no further for the present this Canon did not dispossesse Masters of their property in their Vassals and no meaner than Mr. Selden is my conductor herein stiled hereafter by the Animadvertor 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that renowned Humanitian and Philologer Yea I entred my Author in the Margin had the Animadvertor been pleased to take notice thereof Spiceleg ad Edmerium page two hundred and eight Neque sane Canon hic aut alia apud nos lata Lex id juris hactenus adeo refixit quin in Iurisconsultorum nostratium Commentariis passim Legibus quibus utimur consonum agnoscatur Neither truly this Canon or any other Law made amongst us hath hitherto unfastened this right but that in the Comments or Reports of our Common Lawyers it is acknowledged consonant to those Laws which we use And though in processe of Time first conscientious then all Masters laudibly submitted themselves to this Canon forbearing such sales yet were they not by