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own_o salvation_n whereas_o the_o greek_a father_n expound_v it_o of_o the_o full_a and_o assure_a faith_n that_o every_o faithful_a man_n must_v have_v of_o all_o such_o thing_n in_o heaven_n as_o he_o see_v not_o namely_o that_o christ_n be_v ascend_v thither_o etc._n etc._n add_v further_o and_o prove_v out_o of_o the_o apostle_n 10._o word_n next_o follow_v that_o the_o protestants*_n only_a faith_n be_v not_o sufficient_a be_v it_o never_o so_o special_a or_o assure_v fulk_n 2._o have_v nothing_o to_o impugn_v this_o clear_a interpretation_n of_o the_o greek_a word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o the_o unperfect_a translation_n of_o your_o vulgar_a latin_a interpreter_n who_o be_v both_o a_o unperfect_a graecian_n &_o a_o very_a barbarous_a latinist_n you_o be_v not_o ashamed_a to_o say_v we_o force_v the_o greek_a to_o make_v it_o signify_v assurance_n which_o all_o man_n that_o be_v but_o mean_o learn_v in_o the_o greek_a tongue_n may_v know_v that_o it_o signify_v 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the_o assurance_n of_o faith_n and_o the_o assurance_n of_o faith_n upon_o the_o certain_a persuasion_n of_o knowledge_n and_o understanding_n yea_o your_o vulgar_a interpreter_n translate_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rom._n 4._o v._n 21._o plenissimè_fw-la sciens_fw-la know_v most_o full_o may_v teach_v you_o that_o it_o signify_v more_o than_o fullness_n for_o else_o he_o shall_v have_v say_v be_v fulfil_v and_o better_a do_v beza_n express_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 2._o tim._n 4._o than_o some_o of_o our_o english_a interpreter_n which_o say_v fulfil_v thy_o ministry_n whereas_o the_o apostle_n meaning_n be_v that_o he_o shall_v approve_v the_o credit_n and_o dignity_n of_o his_o ministry_n unto_o other_o man_n but_o the_o greek_a father_n you_o say_v find_v none_o other_o interpretation_n of_o it_o and_o for_o proof_n you_o cite_v ignatius_n ep_v ad_fw-la smyr_n which_o although_o it_o be_v not_o authentical_a yet_o i_o see_v no_o cause_n why_o we_o may_v not_o interpret_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v certain_o persuade_v in_o faith_n &_o love_n and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o assurance_n of_o faith_n and_o so_o be_v it_o translate_v in_o bibliotheca_fw-la sacra_fw-la margarini_fw-la de_fw-fr la_fw-fr bigne_n plenè_fw-la instructae_fw-la in_o fide_fw-la &_o charitate_fw-la &_o cognovi_fw-la vos_fw-la absolutè_fw-la perfectos_fw-la in_o fool_n stabili_fw-la full_o instruct_v in_o faith_n and_o charity_n and_o i_o have_v know_v you_o absolute_o perfect_a in_o a_o stedfaste_a faith_n chrysostome_n and_o theodoret_n because_o you_o vouch_v at_o large_a i_o know_v not_o what_o you_o will_v show_v out_o of_o they_o in_o theophylact_n i_o find_v that_o he_o speak_v against_o all_o hesitation_n &_o doubtfulness_n of_o faith_n but_o against_o the_o certain_a persuasion_n thereof_o never_o a_o word_n ne_fw-fr aliquam_fw-la inducas_fw-la in_o animum_fw-la tuum_fw-la haesitationem_fw-la neque_fw-la pendeas_fw-la animi_fw-la 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yourself_o confess_v as_o much_o where_o you_o say_v the_o greek_a father_n expound_v it_o of_o the_o full_a assure_a faith_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v enough_o to_o justify_v our_o translation_n now_o if_o the_o father_n understand_v this_o full_a assure_a faith_n only_o of_o a_o historical_a faith_n as_o you_o say_v &_o not_o of_o trust_n and_o confidence_n in_o god_n it_o be_v a_o other_o controversy_n our_o translation_n be_v not_o false_a although_o we_o have_v a_o false_a meaning_n if_o it_o be_v answerable_a to_o the_o word_n neither_o do_v chrysostome_n speak_v of_o a_o historical_a faith_n only_o by_o certainty_n whereof_o we_o have_v access_n unto_o god_n but_o also_o of_o confidence_n which_o remission_n of_o our_o sin_n do_v cause_n and_o that_o we_o be_v make_v coheire_n with_o christ_n &_o that_o we_o enjoy_v so_o great_a love_n neither_o do_v he_o prove_v that_o the_o protestant_n only_a faith_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o justify_v but_o the_o apostle_n show_v say_v he_o that_o not_o faith_n alone_o but_o also_o a_o virtuous_a life_n be_v require_v &_o that_o a_o man_n be_v not_o guilty_a to_o himself_o of_o maliciousness_n for_o these_o holy_a place_n do_v not_o receive_v those_o man_n with_o certain_a assurance_n which_o be_v not_o make_v such_o this_o judgement_n of_o chrysostome_n the_o protestant_n do_v allow_v of_o better_a than_o the_o papist_n for_o we_o know_v that_o a_o godly_a life_n be_v necessary_a in_o they_o that_o believe_v to_o justification_n without_o which_o they_o can_v have_v no_o assurance_n of_o faith_n no_o nor_o faith_n in_o deed_n but_o that_o which_o be_v by_o aequivocation_n call_v faith_n such_o say_v as_o the_o devil_n and_o the_o reprobate_n may_v have_v mart._n 3._o yet_o do_v these_o term_n please_v they_o exceed_o in_o so_o much_o that_o for_o the_o choose_a gift_n of_o faith_n sap._n 3._o 14._o they_o 9_o translate_v the_o special_a gift_n of_o faith_n and_o rom._n 8._o 38._o â—â—ni_fw-fr sure_a that_o nothing_o 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sure_a and_o not_o as_o in_o other_o place_n i_o be_o persuade_v but_o in_o favour_n of_o your_o error_n by_o insinuate_v the_o term_n of_o sure_a and_o assurance_n and_o such_o like_a as_o elsewhere_o you_o neglect_v the_o term_n of_o just_a and_o justification_n 4._o in_o which_o your_o secret_a thing_n of_o dishonesty_n &_o craftiness_n as_o the_o apostle_n call_v it_o we_o can_v always_o use_v demonstration_n to_o convince_v you_o but_o yet_o even_o in_o these_o thing_n we_o talk_v with_o your_o conscience_n and_o leave_v the_o consideration_n thereof_o to_o the_o wise_a reader_n fulk_n 3._o see_v they_o account_v the_o book_n of_o wisdom_n to_o be_v of_o no_o authority_n to_o establish_v the_o certainty_n of_o doctrine_n it_o be_v not_o like_a they_o can_v have_v any_o such_o respect_n as_o you_o malicious_o surmise_n and_o yet_o the_o translation_n good_a and_o true_a for_o what_o be_v the_o choice_a gift_n of_o faith_n but_o a_o special_a
be_v charge_v by_o tertullian_n for_o martions_n heresy_n be_v not_o so_o general_o receive_v by_o the_o greek_a church_n that_o all_o man_n will_v yield_v unto_o he_o neither_o be_v tertullian_n so_o sound_a of_o judgement_n in_o the_o latin_a church_n that_o whatsoever_o he_o judge_v to_o be_v a_o corruption_n in_o martion_n must_n of_o necessity_n be_v so_o take_v but_o if_o add_v and_o detract_n from_o the_o scripture_n be_v proper_a note_n of_o heretic_n who_o can_v purge_v stephen_n gardiner_n &_o gregory_n martin_n the_o one_o for_o add_v unto_o a_o the_o verse_n of_o the_o psalm_n this_o pronowne_n see_v himself_o to_o prove_v the_o carnal_a presen_n cite_v it_o thus_o escam_fw-la se_fw-la dedit_fw-la timentibus_fw-la eum_fw-la he_o give_v himself_o to_o be_v meat_n to_o they_o that_o fear_v he_o whereas_o the_o word_n of_o the_o prophet_n according_a to_o the_o hebrew_n greek_n and_o latin_a be_v no_o more_o but_o escam_fw-la dedit_fw-la he_o have_v give_v meat_n etc._n etc._n the_o other_o in_o his_o fond_a book_n of_o schism_n cite_v this_o text_n out_o of_o 1._o cor._n 10._o as_o many_o papist_n do_v against_o the_o certainty_n of_o faith_n qui_fw-la stat_fw-la videat_fw-la ne_fw-la cadat_fw-la he_o that_o stand_v let_v he_o take_v heed_n he_o fall_v not_o whereas_o not_o only_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o greek_a but_o even_o the_o vulgar_a latin_a translation_n have_v qui_fw-la se_fw-la existimat_fw-la stare_n he_o that_o think_v or_o suppose_v that_o he_o stand_v let_v he_o take_v heed_n that_o he_o fall_v not_o but_o of_o such_o addition_n and_o detraction_n use_v by_o the_o romishe_a rat_n far_o worse_o than_o the_o myse_n of_o pontus_n we_o shall_v have_v more_o occasion_n to_o speak_v hereafter_o mart._n 5._o another_o way_n be_v to_o make_v false_a translation_n of_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o error_n and_o heresy_n so_o translation_n do_v the_o arian_n as_o s._n hierome_n note_v in_o 26._o esa._n read_v and_o translate_v 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d aug._n ep_v 89._o &_o lib._n 1._o de_fw-la pec_fw-la mer._n cap._n 11._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o the_o protestant_n &_o caluinist_n use_v the_o foresay_a five_o mean_n of_o deface_v the_o scripture_n scripture_n cont._n rat_n edm._n camp_n pag._n 18._o retent_a pag._n 32._o do_v of_o the_o rock_n pag._n 307._o luther_n in_o noâ—o_n test._n germa_n in_o prefat_n jacobi_fw-la conc._n cart._n 3._o can_v 47._o 47._o argu._n in_o epist_n jacob_n jacob_n whitak_n p._n 10._o 10._o ibid._n lib._n 6._o cap._n 18._o de_fw-fr doct_n christ._n lib._n 2._o cap._n 8._o anno._n 1532._o anno._n 1537._o ibid._n pag._n 17._o m._n whitaker_n by_o these_o word_n condemn_v their_o own_o service_n book_n which_o appoint_v these_o book_n of_o toby_n and_o ecclesiasticus_fw-la to_o be_v read_v for_o holy_a scripture_n as_o the_o other_o do_v they_o read_v in_o their_o church_n apocryphal_a &_o superstitious_a book_n for_o holy_a scripture_n or_o be_v he_o a_o puritan_n that_o thus_o disgrace_v their_o order_n of_o daily_a service_n in_o expositione_n symbol_n pag._n 10._o m._n whitaker_n book_n in_o the_o argument_n bib._n a_o 1579._o 1579._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d euseb._n lib._n 6._o cap._n â—_o hieronim_n ad_fw-la â—aâ—d_n tom._n 3._o â—â—â—â—â—â—_o lib._n 3._o cap._n 6._o in_o euang_n math._n â—â—_o 5._o cap._n 26._o cyprianus_n &_o aliâ—_n in_o concilio_n aphricano_n aphricano_n whitak_n pag._n 17._o &_o 120._o ibid._n pag._n 101._o praef._n ad_fw-la 6._o thesis_n oxon_n pag._n 25._o lib._n confess_v 1._o cap._n 14._o lib._n 7._o c._n 20._o cicer._n the_o senect_n beza_n the_o mouse_n of_o geneva_n gnaw_v the_o text_n of_o scripture_n de_fw-fr ineam_fw-la dom_n cap._n 4._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d no._n test._n a_o 1556._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d beza_n reconcile_v the_o greek_a â—â—â—â—_o of_o the_o new_a testament_n with_o the_o hebrew_a text_n of_o the_o old_a by_o put_v out_o of_o the_o greek_a text_n so_o much_o as_o please_v he_o 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