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A42757 Aarons rod blossoming, or, The divine ordinance of church-government vindicated so as the present Erastian controversie concerning the distinction of civill and ecclesiasticall government, excommunication, and suspension, is fully debated and discussed, from the holy scripture, from the Jewish and Christian antiquities, from the consent of latter writers, from the true nature and rights of magistracy, and from the groundlesnesse of the chief objections made against the Presbyteriall government in point of a domineering arbitrary unlimited power / by George Gillespie ... Gillespie, George, 1613-1648. 1646 (1646) Wing G744; ESTC R177416 512,720 654

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the_o magistrate_n may_v command_v church-officer_n to_o suspend_v or_o excommunicate_v all_o obstinate_a and_o scandalous_a person_n he_o may_v command_v the_o classis_fw-la to_o ordain_v able_a and_o godly_a minister_n and_o no_o other_o he_o may_v command_v a_o synod_n to_o meet_v to_o debate_v and_o determine_v such_o or_o such_o a_o controversy_n consequent_o also_o when_o the_o thing_n be_v examine_v judge_v resolve_v or_o do_v by_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n the_o magistrate_n have_v power_n and_o authority_n to_o add_v his_o civil_a sanction_n confirmation_n ot_fw-mi ratification_n to_o make_v the_o ecclesiastical_a sentence_n to_o be_v obey_v and_o submit_v unto_o by_o all_o who_o it_o concern_v in_o all_o which_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n do_v exceed_v much_o for_o the_o conservation_n and_o purgation_n of_o religion_n not_o elici●…ndo_v actus_fw-la do_v or_o exercise_v by_o himself_o or_o by_o his_o own_o authority_n act_n of_o church_n government_n or_o 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8._o we_o can_v do_v nothing_o against_o the_o truth_n but_o for_o the_o truth_n this_o proviso_n therefore_o be_v just_o make_v that_o whatever_o power_n the_o magistrate_n have_v in_o matter_n of_o religion_n it_o be_v not_o to_o hinder_v the_o free_a exercise_n of_o church_n discipline_n and_o censure_n against_o scandalous_a and_o obstinate_a sinner_n as_o the_o casuist_n in_o other_o case_n distinguish_v lucrum_fw-la cessans_fw-la and_o damnum_fw-la emergens_fw-la so_o must_v we_o distinguish_v between_o the_o magistrate_n his_o do_v no_o good_a to_o the_o church_n and_o his_o do_v evil_a to_o the_o church_n between_o his_o not_o assist_v and_o his_o oppose_a between_o his_o not_o allow_v or_o authorise_v and_o his_o forbid_v or_o restrain_v it_o do_v proper_o and_o of_o right_a belong_v to_o the_o magistrate_n to_o add_v a_o civil_a sanction_n and_o strength_n of_o a_o law_n for_o strengthen_v and_o aid_v the_o exercise_n of_o church_n discipline_n or_o not_o to_o add_v it_o 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godliness_n yet_o in_o such_o a_o case_n he_o ought_v to_o consult_v with_o such_o orthodox_n godly_a divine_n as_o can_v be_v have_v either_o in_o his_o own_o or_o from_o other_o dominion_n fest._n hon._n disp._n 30._o thes._n 5._o and_o so_o much_o be_v speak_v of_o the_o magistrate_n his_o power_n and_o duty_n in_o thing_n and_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a as_o we_o do_v not_o deny_v to_o the_o magistrate_n any_o thing_n which_o the_o word_n of_o god_n do_v allow_v he_o so_o we_o dare_v not_o approve_v his_o go_n beyond_o the_o bound_n and_o limit_n which_o god_n have_v set_v he_o and_o i_o pray_v god_n that_o this_o be_v not_o find_v to_o be_v the_o bottom_n of_o the_o controversy_n whether_o magistracy_n shall_v be_v a_o arbitrary_a government_n if_o not_o in_o civil_a yet_o in_o ecclesiastical_a thing_n whether_o the_o magistrate_n may_v do_v or_o appoint_v to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o matter_n of_o church-government_n admission_n to_o or_o exclusion_n from_o the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n what_o ever_o shall_v seem_v good_a in_o his_o eye_n and_o whether_o in_o purge_v of_o the_o church_n he_o be_v oblige_v to_o follow_v the_o rule_n of_o scripture_n and_o to_o consult_v with_o learned_a and_o godly_a minister_n although_o erastus_n himself_o as_o be_v before_o observe_v and_o sutlivius_n a_o great_a follower_n of_o he_o de_fw-fr presbyt_fw-la cap._n 8._o be_v ashamed_a of_o and_o do_v disclaim_v such_o assertion_n chap._n ix_o that_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n there_o ought_v to_o be_v another_o government_n beside_o magistracy_n ●r_o civil_a goveram●nt_n ●amely_o a_o ecclesiastical_a government_n proper_o so_o call●d_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o church-offic●rs_a this_o question_n have_v arisen_a from_o mr._n colemans_fw-mi three_o and_o four_o rule_n which_o he_o offer_v to_o the_o parliament_n exclude_v all_o government_n of_o church-officer_n minister_n and_o elder_n that_o be_v as_o he_o expound_v himself_o all_o corrective_a government_n leave_v they_o no_o power_n except_o what_o be_v mere_o doctrinal_a and_o appropriate_v all_o government_n proper_o so_o call_v to_o the_o magistrate_n only_o mr._n hussey_n follow_v he_o
fall_v in_o the_o same_o ditch_n with_o he_o the_o question_n be_v not_o whether_o church-officer_n ought_v to_o have_v any_o share_n in_o the_o civil_a government_n nor_o whether_o church-officer_n may_v have_v any_o lordly_a government_n or_o imperious_a domination_n over_o the_o lord_n heritage_n nor_o whether_o church-officer_n may_v exercise_v a_o arbitrary_a irregular_a government_n and_o rule_v as_o themselves_o list_n god_n forbid_v but_o the_o question_n plain_o be_v whether_o there_o may_v not_o yea_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v in_o the_o church_n a_o ministerial_a or_o ecclesiastical_a government_n proper_o so_o call_v beside_o the_o civil_a government_n or_o magistracy_n mr._n coleman_n do_v and_o mr._n hussey_n do_v hold_v there_o ought_v not_o i_o hold_v there_o aught_o and_o i_o shall_v propound_v for_o the_o affirmative_a these_o argument_n the_o first_o argument_n i_o draw_v from_o 1_o tim._n 5._o 17._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d elder_n that_o rule_v well_o mr._n hussey_n pag._n 8._o ask_v whether_o the_o word_n elder_a be_v prima_fw-la or_o secunda_fw-la notio_fw-la if_o prima_fw-la notio_fw-la why_o must_v not_o elder_a woman_n be_v church-officer_n as_o well_o as_o elder_a man_n if_o secunda_fw-la notio_fw-la for_o a_o roll_a officer_n parliament_z man_n king_n and_o all_o civil_a governor_n be_v such_o elder_n i_o know_v no_o use_n which_o that_o distinction_n of_o prima_fw-la and_o secunda_fw-la notio_fw-la have_v in_o this_o place_n except_o to_o let_v we_o know_v that_o he_o understand_v these_o logical_a term_n egregiam_fw-la vero_fw-la laudem_fw-la he_o may_v have_v save_v himself_o the_o labour_n for_o who_o know_v not_o hieromes_n distinction_n elder_n be_v either_o a_o word_n of_o age_n or_o of_o office_n but_o in_o ecclesiastical_a use_n it_o be_v a_o word_n of_o office_n mr._n husseys_n first_o notion_n concern_v elder_a woman_n be_v no_o masculine_a notion_n his_o second_o notion_n be_v a_o anti-parliamentary_a notion_n for_o 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parliament_n man_n see_v how_o well_o mr._n hussey_n plead_v for_o christian_a magistracy_n it_o be_v also_o a_o anti-scripturall_a notion_n for_o some_o of_o those_o elder_n that_o rule_v well_o do_v labour_n in_o the_o word_n and_o doctrine_n as_o paul_n tell_v we_o in_o the_o very_a same_o place_n these_o sure_a be_v not_o civil_a governor_n wherefore_o mr._n hussey_n must_v seek_v a_o three_o notion_n before_o he_o hit_v the_o apostle_n meaning_n it_o be_v not_o huius_fw-la loci_fw-la to_o debate_n from_o this_o text_n the_o distinction_n of_o two_o sort_n of_o elder_n though_o among_o all_o the_o answer_n which_o ever_o i_o hear_v or_o read_v mr._n husseys_n be_v the_o weak_a pag._n 11._o that_o by_o elder_n that_o labour_v in_o the_o word_n and_o doctrine_n be_v mean_v those_o minister_n who_o excellency_n lie_v in_o doctrine_n and_o instruction_n and_o that_o by_o elder_n that_o rule_v be_v mean_v those_o that_o give_v reproof_n he_o contradistinguish_v a_o reprove_v minister_n from_o a_o minister_n labour_v in_o the_o word_n and_o doctrine_n the_o very_a reproof_n give_v by_o a_o minister_n will_v be_v it_o seem_v at_o last_o challenge_v as_o a_o act_n of_o government_n it_o be_v as_o wide_a from_o the_o mark_n that_o he_o will_v have_v the_o two_o sort_n of_o elder_n to_o differ_v thus_o that_o the_o one_o must_v govern_v and_o not_o preach_v the_o other_o must_v preach_v and_o not_o govern_v not_o observe_v that_o the_o text_n make_v rule_v to_o be_v common_a to_o both_o the_o one_o do_v both_o rule_n and_o labour_n in_o the_o word_n and_o doctrine_n the_o other_o rule_v one_o y_o and_o be_v therefore_o call_v rule_v elder_a non_fw-la quia_fw-la solus_fw-la praeest_fw-la sed_fw-la quia_fw-la solum_fw-la praeest_fw-la but_o to_o let_v all_o these_o thing_n be_v lay_v aside_o as_o heterogeneous_a to_o this_o present_a argument_n the_o point_n be_v here_o be_v ruler_n in_o the_o church_n who_o be_v no_o civil_a ruler_n yea_o this_o my_o argument_n from_o this_o text_n be_v clear_o yield_v by_o mr._n coleman_n in_o his_o maledicis_fw-la pag._n 8._o but_o i_o will_v deal_v clear_o say_v he_o these_o officer_n be_v minister_n which_o be_v institute_v not_o here_o but_o elsewhere_o and_o those_o be_v the_o ruler_n here_o mention_v ergo_fw-la he_o yield_v ecclesiastical_a ruler_n and_o those_o institute_v distinct_a from_o magistracy_n neither_o be_v it_o a_o lordly_a but_o a_o ministerial_a rule_n of_o which_o our_o question_n be_v for_o my_o part_n say_v mr._n hussey_n i_o know_v not_o how_o lordship_n and_o government_n do_v differ_v one_o from_o another_o then_o every_o governor_n of_o a_o ship_n must_v be_v a_o lord_n then_o every_o steward_n of_o a_o great_a house_n must_v be_v lord_n of_o the_o house_n there_o be_v a_o economical_a or_o ministerial_a government_n and_o of_o that_o we_o mean_v my_o second_o argument_n i_o take_v from_o 1_o thes._n 5._o 12._o and_o we_o beseech_v you_o brethren_n to_o know_v they_o which_o labour_n among_o you_o and_o be_v over_o you_o in_o the_o lord_n and_o admonish_v you_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d qui_fw-la praesunt_fw-la vobis_fw-la hence_o do_v calvin_n conclude_v gubernant_a a_o church_n government_n distinct_a from_o civil_a government_n for_o this_o be_v a_o spiritual_a government_n it_o be_v in_o the_o lord_n that_o be_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n or_o as_o other_o in_o thing_n pertain_v to_o god_n hence_o also_o beza_n argue_v against_o episcopal_a government_n because_o the_o elder_n in_o the_o apostolic_a church_n do_v govern_v in_o common_a but_o say_v mr._n hussey_n pag._n 18._o pasor_n tell_v we_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o a_o genitive_a case_n signify_v praecedo_fw-la and_o then_o it_o signify_v no_o more_o but_o they_o that_o go_v before_o you_o either_o by_o doctrine_n or_o example_n i_o answer_v first_o to_o the_o matter_n next_o to_o the_o force_n of_o the_o word_n for_o the_o matter_n certain_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 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