exercised when by Protestants confession is was in her Florisheing and best estate a Rule to all Anker of pietie cheife and onely Church that it still ought to enioy and wee to graunt vnto it But in that time it claymed and exercised supreamacie ouer all Therefore it ought now to enioy it and wee to graunt it The Maior is euident for that which is a Rule to all may not be crooked neither that which is confessed cheife be made Inferior And that the Church of Rome had those eminent priuiledges is thus proued by these Protestants our Kinge saith of this Romane Kings speach in Parlam Churche it is our mother Church it was a Rule to all bothe in doctrine and ceremonies when it was in her florisheinge and best estate D. Couell writeth thus The Churche of Rome was the cheife and Couell def of Hook onely Churche M ◠Ormerod calleth it the eye of the west in which diussion England is and Ormerod pict pap pag. 184. Down l. 2. Antichr pag. 105. the Anker of pietie D. Downame graunteth it was a note of a Good Christian to cleane vnto the Roman Apostolicall Churche The seconde proposition that the Church of Rome claymed and had supreamacie in that vnspotted and primatiue time of Christianitie is also proued in the former for that which is Mother Rule to all bothe in doctrine and ceremonies cheife Churche c. must needs be graunted supreame Yett to proue it further D. Sutcliffe citeing S. Sutcliffe subu pag. 57. Irenaeus lyueing neare the Apostles time and longe before any generall Cowncell or Christian Emperour to giue supreamacie to the See of Rome writeth thus Irenaeus saith that euery Church ought to haue respect to the Church of Rome for her eminent principalitie Mr. Ormerod ascendeth to Pope S. Anacletus lyuing withein one hundred yeares of Christ his words be these To proue that the Church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all Churches Ormerod pict pap pag. 78. Anacletus alleadgeth Matth. 16. vers 18. vppon this rocke will I builde my Churche and hee expowndeth it thus super hanc Petram id est super Ecclesiam Romanam vppon this Rocke that is vppon the Church of Rome will I builde my Churche And who shall wee thinke was better acquainted with the priuiledge of that highest Apostle S. Peter Bishop of Rome then this so glorious a Pope Martyr and Sainct so neare succeedeing vnto him when especially these Protestāts before haue assured vs that this supreame power was not to dye with S. Peter but to continue in the Church for euer And this was not a singular opinion of that Holy Pope and Sainct but of others also the words of D. Downame be Down l. 1. Antichrist cap. 3. pag. 35. these diuers Bishops of Rome before the time of Socrates the historiam in her that best and florishing estate contended to haue the primacie ouer all other Churches and that is the cheife scope of many of their Epistles decret all And yett in that time the Protestants confesse those Popes for Saincts and if their Epistles be decretalls and lawes to the Church as this Doctor calleth them how had not these Masters of decrees and lawemakers vnto the Church also supreame and highest power in the Church for lawes and decrees ar made by Soueraignes and not by subiects And not onely Popes but other Saincts and Doctors before and to be cited hereafter by Protestants were of the same myndc for this time it shall suffice that M ◠Middleton Middleton Papistom pag. 200. writeth thus Papias lyueinge in the Apostles time taught Peters primacie and Romish Episcopalitye My next Argument or further confirmation of the former is thus That Church or gouernor that in the best and florishing estate of the Church by Protestants did clayme exercise and execute supreame highest spirituall Iurisdiction in all knowne parts of the worlde Asia Afrike and Europe was truely supreame and so still to be accompted But the Pope and Church of Rome was such Therefore supreame in authorine The Maior is euidently true for in this life no supreamacie can extend further then into the whole knowne world and all parts thereof The second proposition is thus proued by these Protestants and first of Asia amonge the Greeke Churches and priuiledges which they clayme D. Couell telleth vs that Pope Couell ag thea plea of the Inn. pag. 65. Victor a glorious Sainct and Martyr did in that best time authoritatiuely take vppon him supreamacie ouer all Asia excommunicating the Churches of it his words be inseperateing all Asia from the vnitie of the faithfull for being disobedient in the point and question of Easter And what greater supreamacie can be named in the Church then to excommunicate and purt forthe of the Churche so greate a part of the world Therefore seeing such Iurisdiction is not but in superioritie this supreamacie must needs be graunted to the Church of Rome for of all Churches of the world euen by the graunt of Protestants the Greeke Church next to the Church of Rome hath euer moste contended for superiotie and in the auncient cowncells next to the Church of Rome is moste priuiledged yett here they ar by a Sainct Bishop of Rome iustly excommunicated as by their superior for as these Protestants argue in an other place par in parem non habet authoritatem An equall against an equall hath not authoritie And Doctor Couell before hath told vs that they were thus censured by the Pope of Rome to vse his words againe for beinge disobedient in the point and question of Easter Which makes it playne in his opinion that the Pope of Rome was supreame and had highest power not onely to censure but to decree in matters of Religion and bynde others vnto it otherwise not to haue conformed themselues vnto him had not beene in these Greeke Churches disobedience which is onely against authoritie and superioritie And although S. Iraeneus disliked this proceedeing with the Asiaticall Churches Ob. as these Protestants vse to obiect yett it Answ was onely because hee thought there was not such seueritie then to be vsed not that hee denyed the power and authoritie of the Pope to doe it for of his opinion of the iustice of his supreamacie D. Sutcliffe Sucl subu pag. 57. hath wittnessed before that he saith Euery Church ought to haue respect to the Church of Rome for her eminent principalitie Therefore hee thought it had supreamacie For principalitie eminent ouer euery Church here mentioned must needs be supreamacie ouer all for euery Church being subiected vnto it none is priuiledged from subiection and obedience vnto it Next lett vs come to Afrike for which M. Perkins writeth thus Appeales were often made out of Afrike to the Popes of Rome in those Perk. problem pag. 237. 238. dayes of her best estate And yet appeales be all wayes to superiors and neuer out of forrayne kingdomes but to the highest for
A BOOKE INTITVLED THE ENGLISH Protestants Recantation in matters of Religion WHEREIN IS DEMONstratiuely proued by the writings of the principall and best learned English Protestant Bishops and Doctors and Rules of their Religion published allowed or subscribed vnto by them since the comminge of our King IAMES into England That not onely all generall grownds of Diuinitie are against theÌ„ But in euery particular cheife Question betweene Catholicks them they are in errour by their owne Iudgments Diuided accordingly into two parts whereof the first entreateth of those generall Grounds The other of such particular Controuersies Whereby will also manifestely appeare the vanitie of D. MORTON Protest Bishop of Chester his booke called Appeale or Ansvveare to the Catholicke Authour of the booke entituled The Protestants Apologie Psal 126. v. 1. Except our Lord build the howse They labour in vayne that build yt With Licence Anno 1617. TO ALL HIS WELBELOVED CONTRYMEN ENGLISH PROTESTANTS especially persecutors of the Romane catholicke Religion DVely and moste frendly I remember my seruice and best loue vnto you In maladies and diseases desperate vsuall remedies will not â—uer in controuersies those that bee and wrongefully distressed when equall triall will not bee graunted must accept vnequall or none at all Your late commended history of the world recommendeth vnto vs for moste true this sentence nothing can bee a more excellent wittnessinge then where an Enemy doth approue our cause Your D. Morton doth testifie as much and no man will deny it neyther this that followeth that in controuersed questions and their tryall no condemnation is more approued then where men in their owne cause are condemned by their owne Iudgment Thus in our lawes confession of wronges and euill behauiour is conuiction And in matters of Religion a Recantation But without some high commaundinge cause how shall wee finde such enforceinge and forced wittnes Balaam his Asse spake not of himselfe nor Cayphas of himselfe did prophesye And in English Protestant Religion where euery one is made a Iudge ouer all that will gayne say him in their conceipts no man will suppose or once Imagine that any one will bee fownde amonge them to giue sentence against themselues whome they value and esteeme at so high a rate aboue all the world besides especially for the church of Rome which they hate and persecute so much Yett because no other meanes is left I must build vppon this vnleuell groundes and come for Iudgment at such a Consistory onely to take what they shall giue and haue nothinge but what they please to allowe Which I hope will bee that which is expressed in the Title of this booke the same to which they haue all sworne or subscribed ratified or confirmed printed and published for their doctrine and Religion I dare not goe hygher to the dayes of Queene Elizabeth nor bringe the testimonies of Protestants in other contries leaste I receaue for Answeare as others haue done that they stand not vppon what forreyne and former Protestants haue taught which though it bee a vayne and onely cauillons exception to bee at variance or defyance with them in faith of whose church as they name it they would bee members yett to auoide all suspition and colour of euasion though neuer so friuolous Because no protestant may deny but that is their protestant Religion in England vnder our Kinge supreame heade stiled of that Church which hee by his lawes and proceedings with their Consents and Assentinge hath here established and this their Bishops and Doctors by oath or subscription haue synce then confirmed and by their published printed writings defended or mayntayned or by their Religion ought so to doe I will onely insist in this their owne priuiledged and allowed testimonyes and authorities And assume by them to proue not onely that all grownds of Religion in generall doe proue and mayntayne the doctrine of the church of Rome and condemne this protestant Religion But further and demonstratiuely to manifest by true consequence that in euery cheife question betweene this ProtestaÌ„ts and Catholicks they ar in error and wee in truthe Which will be more then euident demoÌ„stration against D. Morton ProtestaÌ„t Bishop of Chester his Appeale or pretended Answeare to the Catholick Author of the Protestants Apologie And therefore being confidently assured that I haue truely and fully performed what I vndertake by their so greate aduantage as to make them both wittnes and Iudge in their owne cause I presume as it is soe to name this Booke The English Protestants Recantation in Matters of Religion I wish it were as easye and no more difficult labour to bridle their wills and Appetites from libertie ouermuch loue of this world and wanton delights thereof as it is to demonstrate to their vnderstandings that they bee in error many men ar able to doe this But God and themselues must reforme the other which of his greate mercy I moste humbly beseech him to grauÌ„t That they which so longe tyme haue onely talked of Reformed Churches and Religions may come to the true and reall practise of reformation both in mynde and maners Which I hope they may the soener attayne vnto if they shall duely consider how fowle and deformed the face of this their new doctrine is euen as it is poynted by their owne colours and pencell That which remayneth as my onely suite to you is this not to bee regardlesse of your best good not willfully to erre from the way of truthe to esteeme of the sacred Religion of the Church of Rome as the greatest enemyes to it and frends to you shall conclude it worthye and lett my self and labours enioy your loue as wee shall deserue it And so I shall euer rest Your most wellwishing Contriman and frend Author of this Booke THE ENGLISH PROTESTANST RECANTATION IN MATTERS OF Religion THE FIRST PART CHAPTER I. PROVEINGE BY ENGLISH Protestant writers since the begynninge of his Maiesties Raigne in England that the true Church of Christ is of Infallible Iudgment The Protestants not so and so not the true Church BECAVSE the cheefest and moste generall controuersie in Religion in this time betweene the Catholicks of England and their Aduersaries their contry persecutors and Innouators is concerninge the true Churche of Christ which where with whome and what it is what bee the properties true notes signes qualities authoritie office and commaunde of it I will first begin with that Question In which I argue thus Whatsoeuer Companie Societie Consistorye Iudgment or Authoritie is in time of difference about Religion moste necessarie to bee knowe followed and obeyed and is the companie of holy ones the howsholde of faithe spouse of Christ the piller and grownde of truthe whose communyon is to bee embraced directions followed and Iudgment to bee rested in must needes bothe bee priuiledged from error and to bee obeyed in Matters of controuersie But the true Church of Christ is such Therefore free from error and to bee obeyed in this busines
which cause D. Dâ—wname graunteth in this Downam l. 2. Antichrist pag. 105. 106. maner that S. Augustine and Victor Vticensis in Asrike were of opinion that to adhere to the Churche of Rome was a Marke of a true Catholicke in those times Which could not be except it were the commaunding Churche and enfranchised from error Neither doth this Doctor Down suâ— pag. 106. 107. Denye but the Bishops then did sweare obedience to the Pope And entreateing of a Bishopp recanteinge his Heresies hee writeth thus Hee sweareth to renownce his former Heresies and to professe and mayntayne that Faith And Religion which the Bishopp and Church of Rome did professe Which is a thinge in it self so absurde for Bishops in that best time to doe except they did hold the Popes Authoritie to be supreame and Iudgment in religeons controuersies Infallible that no man of vnderstanding can beleeue it Therefore Mr. Ormerod wittnesseth that S. Leo taught that Ormerod pict pap pag. 44. Sutcl suâ—â— pag. 19. God did assist and direct that See in decrees Concerninge Europe D. Sutcliffe giueth particular examples how S. Gregorie to vse his words commaunded the Bishops of fraunce And commaundeth also in England the constituting of our Archbishop S. Augustine and the verie See of that preeminence at Canterbury D. Couell writeth the like of Pope Gregorie his Couell against Burg. pag. 49. commaundeing authoritie in all Spayne who prouoked by the Heresie of the Arians commaunded that through all Spayne there should be but once dippinge in baptisme And if either a generall Cowncell in the primatiue Church to which Protestants will seeme to giue highest authoritie or the Emperor to Bilson Suru pag. 83. Mort. Apol. part 2. pag 340. Relat. c. 47. Suâ—cl subu pag. 119. Feild pag. 228. c. Doâ—n l. 1. Antich c. 3. pag. 36. whome by their proceedings they would highest power if they could procure any of their Religion could either giue or confirme this highest authoritie to the Pope of Rome Then D. Downame denieth not but that bothe the Emperor Iustinian and the generall Cowncell of Calcedon in the primatiue Church attributed to the Pope of Rome to be heade of the Churche which hee saith is the greatest style And addeth of that Church in that best estate Titles of honor and preeminence were giuen to the Church of Rome as the cheife or Heade of the Churches Againe I argue thus whatsoeuer power doth rightly ordaine in the Churche generally ceremonies by all to be vsed in it appointeth Metropolitanes Archbishops Bishops assigneth precincts to euery parishe and a certayne compasse to euery presbyter in the primatiue Church and best estate thereof musts needs be supreame But the power of the Pope of Rome is such Therefore it is supreame The Maior is euidently true for it conteyneth authoritie ouer all in the Churches The Minor is proued by D. Morton Mr. Ormerod Mr. Hull Mort. apol part 2. Orm. pict pur Couell exam Hull Rom. pol pag. 82. 83. 84. 85. 86. and Doctor Couell telling vs that Lent Imbringe dayes Friday Altars Albes Corporalls Preists Robes Saincts Fastings euens Saincts Shrines Hymnes Pax Pascall Taper Masse for the deade Canonicall howers Processione Holy water Introite of Masse Annoyntinge Bishops crosseing with Chrisme in Baptisme were ordayned in the Church by these primatiue and holy Popes Telesphorus Calixtus Stephanus Syluester Sixtus Vigilius Honorius Boâ—ifacius Sergius Leo Innocentius Zozimus Vitellian Celestine Pelagius Vrbanus Agapitus Damasus Higimus Pius Alexander all which ruled the Churche longe before the exceptions of Protestants against it D. Couell doth not onely tell vs that Metropolitanes Archbishops c. came from thence and whoe to whome should be obedient or superior and were so vsed before the Nicene Councell Couell mod exam pag. 111. But further to vse his words either Euaristus Bishopp in the See of Rome in the yeare of Christ 112. or as some say Dionysius first assigned the precincts to euery parishe and appointed to eache Presbyter a certaine compasse whereof himself should take chardge alone Therefore that authoritie of the Pope which thus from Couell exam pag. 162. sup the begynninge and before councells were holden assigned limited and appointed to all spirituall parsons and callings their Titles honors precincts Iurisdiction and power must needs be supreame I argue againe That Churche whose Bishoppe was before the first generall Councell Cheefe Patriarke in the Church of Christ and in that and other generall Councells so allowed and confirmed by the confession of Protestants and whose Rulers when that Church was in her florisheing and best estate a Rule to all our mother Churche c. Did make and publish decrees and lawes to the whole Church and in the greatest affaires of generall and other Councells that they should not doe against the directions of that commaundeinge Ruler els to be accompted no Councells and that it were not lawfull for Bishops to doe any thinge against his decrees must needs be the supreame and commaundinge Church ouer all others But the Church of Rome by the testimonye of ProtestaÌ„ts is in this preeminent and priuiledged estate Therefore by them it is the supreame and commaundinge Churche of the whole Christian worlde The Maior proposition is euidently true for first hee that is the first and cheife amonge all others cannot be dependant therefore hee must needs be supreame otherwise D. Feilds vnities of the Churche could not possibly be kept as is proued before nor the graunt of his fellowes that there euer was since Christ one supreame in his Church cannot be iustified For if the first cheife and moste worthie is not hee the seconde lesse cheife or lesse worthy carnot be hee And if by Protestants a generall Councell is highest and supreame Iudge as D. Morton Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 340. Sutcl subu pag. 119. Feild pag. 228. saith a generall Councell is highest Iudge by D. Surcliffe generall Councells haue soueraigne authoritie in externall gouernment by D. Feild Bishops assembled in a generall Councell haue and onely haue authoritie to interprett scriptures and by their authoritie to suppresse all them that gainesay such Interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and censure of like nature Then that Pope or prelate which in that true Chnrch where such vsurpation vniustly could not be that had authoritie to confirme ratifie or to frustrat and inualidate such and all other Councells must of necessitie be supreame and of the highest commaunding power ouer all The Minor proposition is proued by these Protestants first D. Feild writeth in these words The mayne Feild l. 3. c. 1. pag. 61. 62. diuision of the christian Church is presently and was formerly for certaine hundreds of yeares into the Latine and Greeke Church as most principall In the time of the Nicene Councell and before as appeareth Nicen. Concil can 6. by the Acts of the Councell limiteinge
chosen him that Act. 15. 7. from his mouth they might heare the Ghospell as himself alledgeth and that hee here fownded Churches and ordayned preists and deacons which is reported by Simon Metaphrastes out of the Greeke Metaphrast Centur. 1. part 7. dist 8. Antiquities and Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Centurie whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes time Therefore if the Antiquities of the gretians and Aduersaries to the Romaue See giue this testimone vnto it wee need not be scrupulous to receaue it especially when these Protestant Bishops with their Pantaleon giue creditt to this authoritie of S. Peter ouer this kingedome in these wordes Much about these times as Beatus Rhenanus Theat sup pag. 204. n. 9. cap. 9. in his Historie of Germanie Pantaleon and others doe reporte one Suetonius a noble mans sonne in Britaine conuerted to the faith by the first planters of the Ghospell in this Iland and after his baptisme called Beatus was sent by the brethren from hence vnto Rome to be better iustructed and further directed by Saint Peter himself Therefore a dependance of this kingedome from S. Peter and the Church of Rome in spirituall things from the begynninge of Christianitie is to be allowed Which they further confirme in their historie of Kinge Luâ—ius sendeinge to Pope Eleutherius at Rome about the Conuersion of this Kingedome and his sendeing hither Faganus and Damianus two famous Thea of G. Br. pag. 206. n. 18. l. 6. cap. 9. Clerkes to that purpose of whome they write in this maner These together both preached and baptized amongst the Britaines whereby many dayly were drawne to the faith And as a worthie Dicetus Deane of London a manuscript in the Kings library ad An. 178. and auntient historian saith the Temples which had beene fownded to the honor of their many Gods were then dedicated to the one and onely true God for there were in Britaine eight and twentie Flamins and three Archflamins in stead of which so many Bishops and Archbishops were appointed vnder the Archbishop of London were the prouinces of Loegria and Cornubia vnder Yorke Deira and Saint Dauids in Wales Albania vnder vrbs begionum Cambria by which meanes this happie Kingedome vnder that godly Kinge was nobly beatified with so many cathedrall Churches and Christian Bishops Sees before any other Kingedome of the world Now because these Protestants haue tolde vs before that to ordaine Bishops and teachers and to fownde Churches is an Argument of supreamacie seing all Bishops of this Kingedome were ordayned Sutcliff ag Kâ—ll pag 105. their Sees designed and Churches fownded by Eleutherius Pope of Rome and his authoritie in those which he sent hither with that power Faganus and Damianus all spirituall and ecclesiasticall Iâ—risdiction of that primatiue Church in this Kingedome of necessitie was deriued from the Church of Rome For although Mr Francis Mason in his new defence of the English Ministery Mason of the consecration c. pag. 52. would attribute greate priuiledge to Eluanuâ— and Meduinus whome as hee with his Bishops say Kinge Lucius sent to Pope Eleutherius at Rome about the conuersion of this nation standeinge vppon a Reporte in these wordes Iohn Capgraue reporteth that Eleutherius made Eluanus Bishop of Britaine and Meduinus a Doctour to preach the faith of Christ throughe the whole Iland Yett hee must needs graunt that both Order and Iurisdiction Episcopall came into and was preserued in this Kingedome from the Pope of Rome For first hee writeth of Kinge Lucius in this maner The Kinge wrote to Eleutherius desireing that by his commaundement hee might be made a Mason sup cap. 3. §. 2. Christian Secondly hee proueth Kinge Lucius had but a part of this Kingedome but the Pagan Emperors Marcus Antonius Verus and Aurelius Commodus his brother were cheife vnto Beda l. 1. histor cap. 4. the wall of seperation and Lucius was tributary vnto them Thus hee writeth of Kinge Lucius Hee had seene Christians reproched by the Pagans as infamous parsons and dispitefully Mason l. 2. pag. 52. cap. 3. §. 1. handled by the Romans that were in authoritie Therfore the Pagan Romans then were in authoritie Thirdly his owne words before That Eleutherius made Eluanus Bishop of Britaine and Meduinus a Doctor to preach the faith of Christ through the whole Iland ar cleare for Eleutherius the Pope his authoritie vniuersally ouer all for Kinge Lucius was but a tributary Kinge for one parcell of this Iland and the Romans themselues had but part Yett the Iurisdiction was giuen as before through the whole Iland Mr. Masons words be these The Romans had spred their golden Eagle ouer a greate part of the Iland The Emperor Hadrian had made a wall fourescore miles longe Antonius Pius had made an other to diuide the Romans from the Brittans and all that liued within this wall were tributary to the Romans of which number Kinge Lucius is said to be Therefore Lucius being but one of that number of tributaryes for a part of the Romans part had neither spirituall nor temporall Iurisdiction any further much lesse ouer all His words of this whole Iland ar these Yorke London Caerlegion in these three noble citties Mason sup l. 2. cap. 3. pag. 54. were the seates of the Archflamynes so there were 28. Flamynes and three Archflamynes in steade of which so many Bishops and Archbishops were appointed Therefore seing the Romans themselues had but a part of Brittaine and Lucius but a tributary part of that part and these men assuer vs that so many were assigned Bishops and Archbishoppes with their seuerall Sees and Iurisdictions ouer all this Iland comprehendeing both England conteined in the names Loegria Stowe Annal 12. cap. 1. and others and Cornubia vnto Humber the North and Scotland in Deira and Albania and Wales in Cambria as our Historians tell vs it followeth by vndeniable consequence that all spirituall Iurisdiction and authoritie in all this land now termed greate Brittaine was deduced brought in and continued from and vnder the Pope of Rome And that neither Kinge Lucius or any his successor did or in iustice could clayme any supreamacie in such causes For none of them vntill our Kinge Iames was quietly possessed of them all and yett one and the same spirituall Iurisdiction ruled in all these Kingedomes of England Scotland and Ireland Ireland subiect to Canterbury and Scotland to Yorke and all to the Pope as these Protestants acknowledge vntill late yares Therefore ridiculous it is for the Theater Protestants to giue such supreamacie to Kings because as they say Pope Eleutherius in his epistle to Kinge Lucius calleth him the vicar of God in his Kingedome for by that Kinde of reasoninge euery vicar in his parish being so called might clayme such supreamacy And the Presbytery must needs be obeyed of all But if wee may beleeue these men that the lawes of S. Edward doe warrant S. Eleutherius
authoritie though wicked sed etiam discolis And to say as you must doe otherwise you demonstrate against your English Protestant Church whose mouthe you so often vndertake to be and for the Pope of Rome that Magistrates falling into deadly synne cease to be Magistrates one of your brother Witkliffe his Heresies condemned by highest authoritie For otherwise if the present Pope Paulus the fift a Sainct in all Indifferent Iudgments as all his predecessors from Leo the tenth and the reuolt of Luther in respect of any Protestant succession might be thought worthie to be esteemed such or as your wordes prescribe in your Protestant Censure Yett except it were his due without that your adiudged sanctitie neither our Kinge of England nor all the Protestant Princes and Regiments in the world could by your Religion make the Pope or any other to be primate and haue the charge or â—uersight of the whole Church For by your owne doctrine of Princes or Presbyteries supreamacie none extendeth further then their owne temporall dominions much lesse ouer the whole Church or any greate part thereof And by Lord Cookâ— prot assert Iacob Reas your owne Rule of authoritie iustified both by the Lord Cheefe Iustice of England and your Ministers Nemo potest plus Iuris in alium transferre quam ipse habet No man can transfer or bestowe more Right vppon an other then hee himself hath Therefore by our sentence from our Kings Mouthe as you assuer vs all Popes euer were and this is supreame Heade and Ruler of Christs whole Church in England and all other partes of the worldes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of the whole Church as your Greeke graunt with S. Gregory Nazianzen is And all that desire to be accompted the chosen and true sheepe and members of this greate flocke folde and Church of Christ ought to submitt themselues to this high sheephard primate and Ouerseer of the whole Christian worlde and to be Iudged by him and not to be Iudges ouer him And to this also D. Morton himself Morton App. lib. 4. cap. 7. must subscribe though hee will be singular aboue his fellowes as often times hee is For first hee alloweth this sentence of their so named Archbishop Whiteguist against Cartwright Victor in the yeare of Christ 198 was a godly Bishop and Martyr and the Church at that time was in greate puritie as not beinge longe after the Apostles And his Maiestie telleth him that this Church of Rome was then a Rule to all Yet D. Morton assureth vs that this godly Bishop and Martyr and Ruler of that Church which was a Rule to all did exercise the highest Act of Iurisdiction and power ouer all Churches in the world that did not yeeld vnto him in the Easter obseruation inflicting excommunication the greatest act of Iurisdiction by Protestants against them his wordes be these Morton App. l. 1. cap. 9. Pope Victor excommunicated all Churches both Greeke and Latine which differed from his Church in the obseruation of Easter This clayme and exercise of this supreame Iurisdiction was when the Church of Rome was a Rule to all in the Iudgment of these Protestants and a matter of so greate moment that the doeing of it if vniustly had beene moste damnable and yett hee liued and dyed an holy Saint Therefore I vrge D. Morton with these his Morton app pag. 298. owne wordes in the case of S. Ciprian This wee thinke might worke in our Aduersaries at least blush except they would intend to proue concerninge Sainct Victor that the same man of God and holy Martyr of Christ was neither Sainct nor Martyr But vndoubtedly a damnable scismaticke When D. Morton wittnesseth the quite contrary sayeinge they were condemned for Hereticks whoe after the Councell of Nice conformed not themselues herein to the Romane Order But D. Morton insisteth Mort. supr pag 76. further in these words S. Ciprian directly ordeyned in a Councell that euery mans cause should be hard there where it was comitted and Mort. sup pag. 296. therefore commaunded those men to returne home againe vnto Carthadge whoe had aduentured to appeale vnto Rome And yet Bellarmine vrgeth appealeinge vnto the Bishop of Rome from all the coastes of the world as a speciall Argument of the Popes absolute primacie D. Morton is answeared by himselfe before proueinge that the Bishop of Rome exercised this supreame power ouer all Churches both Greeke and Latine Then ouer Africke and Carthadge And in this very obiection againe confoundeth himself for hee telleth vs that in S. Ciprian his time they appealed to Mort. supr Rome and proueth by S. Ciprian whome hee would haue an enemy to such Appeales and supreamacy of the Church of Rome that such appeales were then vsed longe before any generall Councell or Christian Emperor to graunt such priuiledges to that Church And that the Popes and Bishops of Rome that claymed receaued and admitted such appeales namely S. Cornelius and others ware Holy Saincts and Martyrs Therefore if that had beene true which D. Morton writeth in these wordes Morton pag 296. Saint Ciprian directly ordeyned in a Councell that euery mans cause should behard there where it waâ— committed and therefore commaunded those men to returne home againe vnto Carthadge who had aduentured to appeale vnto Rome not alloweinge that any other Bishops should retract things done by them in Africke vnlesse saith Ciprian a few leude and desperate parsons thinke the Bishops of Africke to haue lesse authoritie by whome they haue beene allready Iudged and condemned If this allegation of D. Morton were true and certayne Yet it nothing preiudicateth the Authoritie and supreamacie of the Pope of Rome not to be censured and Iudged by Inferior Bishops such as those of Africke were vnto Rome by Protestants doctrine And D. Morton himself besides all that is said before is wittnes sufficient in this Matter for writeing of Pope Iulius in those allowed times hee hath these words Two points Morton pag. 286. would be obserued in this claime of Pope Iulius The first is what it was that hee challenged the second is by what right Bothe these ar recorded by Socrates His challenge was that hee ought to be called vnto the Councell and that without his sentence no decrees should be concluded The right hereof hee pretendeth to stand vppon the authoritie of an Ecclesiastical canon The wordes of Socrates his Author Socrat. histor ccclesiast circa An. 346. histor tripart lib. 4. cap. 9. because D. Morton is a knowne myncer of authorities ar these Regula Ecclesiastica iubeat non oportere praeter sententiam Romani Pontificis concilia celebrari The Ecclesiasticall Rule commaundeth that Councells he not celebrated without the sâ—â—tence of the Bishop of Rome And againe Canonibus iubentibus praeter Romanum nibil decerni Socrat. sup histor trip lib. 4. cap. 19. Pontificem The canons commaundeinge that nothinge be decreed without the Pope of Rome And yet D. Morton
will not haue any such canon or constitution his friuolous distinction in the Nicene Councell then lately ended then they must needs be of more auntient and vncontroleable antiquitie and authoritie by his owne censure and S. Ciprians Councell and decree against this highest power of no validitie if hee could bringe forth any such decree or Councell which hee doth not but onely alledgeth these words of S. Ciprian to Pope Cornelius statutum est omnibus nobis Which hee thus translated S. Ciprian directly ordeyned in a Councell Which Ciprian ep 55. ad Cornel. Morton App. lib. 2. pag. 296. S. Ciprian neither had done nor could doe to bynde S. Cornelius and the Church of Rome with all others For by D. Mortons owne Argument if Pope and S. Cornelius Pope and Saint Stephen with others Bishops of the Mother and commaunding Churche of Rome then by his Maiestie a Rule vnto all might not be a Rule and commaunder ouer the African Church much lesse could the Church of Africke subiect Ruled and dependinge make statutes and decrees to rule and commaund this Rule and commaunder of all And Mr Morton might haue concluded the contrary of his translation for the Church of Rome if hee had considered that S. Ciprians words be not Statutum sit ab omnibus nobis it is decreed of or by vs all â—â—t statutum sit omnibus nobis a decree is made for vs all Because S. Fabian Pope of Rome and predicessor to S. Cornelius had made such a â—abian â—â—ist 3. â—â—m 1. conc decree to bynde all as S. Ciprian spake of Ibi causa agatur vbi crimen admittitur lett the cause be hard there where the fault is committed Yet in the same place Appeales to Rome ar excepted in these words Wee forbid forreyne Iudgments by a generall decree reserued allwayes the Apostolicke authoritie And againe It pleaseth alsoe that if a Bishop accused hath appealed to the See Apostolicke that shall be decreed which the high Bishop of that See giueth sentence of All which as alsoe that whole epistle of S. Ciprian to S. Cornelius then Pope of Rome neuer denyeing appeales thither but excuseinge and defendeing and purgeing himself and other Bishops of Africke accused by Appellants at Rome as they had likewise done priori anno the yeare before sufficiently Ciprian ep 55. supr confirme the vndeniable supreame authoritie of that Church Which S. Ciprian there proueth to be of Infallible Iudgment and vndeceaueable by any Appellants or others in matters of Religion and so to be appealed vnto and supreame His words in the same epistle and concerning the same Appellants ar these Nauigare audent ad Petri cathedram They dare to saile euen to the chayre of Peter and to the principall Church from whence preistly vnitie is risen and cary thither letters from Scismaticks and wicked men nor to thinke that they be Romans whose faith by the Apostle preachinge is praised to whome false beleefe cannot haue accesse Hitherto the very wordes of S. Ciprian in that place and epistle which D. Morton alleadgeth against the Romane supreamacie by which is euident that S. Ciprian neither did nor could by his doctrine deny appeales to that Church which as hee writeth could not be deceaued with Hereticks nor false beleefe could haue accesse vnto it which could be for no other cause but for the Infallible Iudgment thereof and that God did assist it in truthe as other Protestants ar wittnesses before And D. Morton haueing first written Morton app pag. 296. in this order The Title of vniuersall Bishop of the Church hath beene long vsed of the Pope of Rome is as mutch to blame to speake thus S. Ciprian saith none of vs is called the Bishop of Bishops which not S. Ciprian onely but the whole Councell of Carthadge vnder Ciprian did professe furthermore callinge it a terror tyrannicall for any one Bishop to impose vppon his fellowe Bishops a necessitie of obedience For first D. Morton cannot but knowe that this Councell of Africke defendeinge Rebaptization was iustly condemned by the then Popes of Rome and recanted by the African Bishops present at it as is proued before Secondly D. Morton will be a Presbyterian if hee maketh equalitie in the cleargie and denyeth Archbishops primates and Patriarkes as his citation without better glosse implyeth Thirdly hee doth abuse his Readers to wish them to beleeue that S. Ciprian and the African Bishops decreed any thing against the clayme of S. Stephen then Bishop of Rome his predecessors and successors to be Bishop of Bishops Mort. sup pag. 296. in a right sence as hee there citeth from Binias for so against his owne words and citation they had called their owne decree a terror tyrannicall for any one Bishop to impose vppon his fellowe Bishops a necessitie of obedience For D. Morton dareth not to deny but S. Stephen and other Popes of Rome were at the leaste fellowe Bishops with those of Africke But S. Ciprian and those Bishops decreed no such thinge for D. Morton may so in that Councell that the sentence of S. Ciprian is the laste of all and after all the other Bishops and onely to condemne Baptisme by Hereticks after recanted and condemned And the words which hee cited against Bishop of Bishops ar in S. Ciprians Carthagin concil sub Cyprian to 1. concil init exhortation not decree to the Bishops of Africke begynninge Audistis Collegae Dilectissimi you haue hard ô moste beloued fellowes nothing concerning except affirminge or confirminge that clayme and Title in Pope Stephen an holy Saint and Martyr but alltogether about rebaptization and are these Superest vt de hacre quid singuli sentiamus proferamus Yt remayneth that euery of vs speaketh of this matter what hee thinketh Iudginge no man or remoueing any man from the Right of communion if hee shall thinke otherwise for none of vs there assembled constituted himself Bishop of Bishops Which seing S. Stephen an holy Pope and Martyr with others of that sacred See then a Rule to all by Protestants and D. Morton did by them also it must be yeelded to be iust and lawfull Neither must D. Morton be so hyperpapall as to deny the Councell of Sardyce where appeales to Rome ar warranted to be generall for his Masters the makers of their greate Theater haue so allowed and receaued it before Nor slander S. Cyprian by perswadeing the worlde that hee dyed out of the vnitie of the Church of Rome for recallinge of which his greate rashnes I referre him to better Authorities of S. Augustine S. Ierome Augustin ep 48. Hieron dialog cont Luciferian and the like And this sufficeth of this question By which the vniuersitie of Cambridg may easely resolue themselues by their owne Doctors of the second proposition offered vnto them by the Preists of Wisbich There is an externall Iudge in matters of faith whoe it is and of what authoritie his definitiue sentence is in such things
CHAPTER IIII. WHEREIN BY THESE Protestants is proued that all Bookes of scripture receaued for such by the Church of Rome ar canonicall That the Protestants also haue either no scriptures at all or vncertaine and doubtfull and no true Canon of them THvs haueinge demonstratiuely proued by these our English Protestants that the true Church of Christ is of that byndeinge and commaunding authoritie power and priuiledge That There is no saluation remission of synnes or Hope of eternall life out of the Churche it is the blessed companie of holy ones household of faith spouse of Christ piller and grawnd of truthe her communion is to be embraced directions followed Iudgment rested in to ouerrule all Inferior Iudgment whatsoeuer c. And that bothe the present Churche of Rome is this so excellent and enfraunchised societie and the Pope and Bishop thereof supreame heade and spirituall gouernor ouer the whole Christian worlde all other Questions against these ProtestaÌ„ts ar all readie determined by them for the Church and Pope of Rome So that nothing is further needfull to be disputed in this busines eyther of scriptures or any other matter in controuersy yet for particular satisfaction to all in all particulars I will proceede and first for the Bookes of holy scriptures and argue these first in generall Whatsoeuer Bookes ar proposed vnto vs by the true Church of Christ and the supreame Gouernor thereof to be canonicall scripture ar for such to be embraced and reuerenced But all Bookes allowed for canonicall by the Church of Rome at this present be such Therefore so to be embraced and reuerenced The Maior proposition is euident before by the priuiledges of the true Church recited in generall and not onely so but in particular also concerninge the authoritie of the true Church in approueinge and proposeinge holy scriptures for Mr. Wotton hath thus testified for Wotton â—ef of Perk pag. 442. Protestants The Iugdment of the Church wee are so far from discreditinge that wee Holde it for a very speciall grownde in this matter of scriptures And D. Couell hath these conuinceing Couell against Burg. pag. 60. words The Church of Christ accordeing to her authoritie receaued from him hath warrant to approue the scriptures to acknowledge to receaue to publish and commaunde vnto her children And to make it euident that this priuiledge by these Protestants cannot be attributed or ascribed to any other Church then the Church of Rome they haue before confessed that neuer any other Church but that onely exceptinge the Church of Constantinople pretended Title much lesse enioyed it to this supreamacie to propownde scriptures or make decrees and lawes to the whole Church and the children thereof and the clayme thereof in that behalf was but pretended and vsurped and now is by their desolation left desolate And to make this the next argument and others more cleare I will in this place recite the words of D. Feild wherein to omitt the Holy scriptures because they in no place tell vs which be or be not canonicall scriptures But wee ar as these Protestants before haue told vs and shall more particularely testifie Hereafter in this chapter to receaue them from the Church of Christ That wee may knowe whome moste to trust and obey in this and such matters of controuersy hee writeth thus haueing spoken of the Church before Hither Feild pag. 202. l. 4. c. 5. wee may referre those different degrees of obedience which wee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the Church of God excellently described and sett downe by Waldensis Wee Waldens doct Fidei l. 2. art 2. 3. p. 27. must saith hee reuerence and respect the authoritie of all Catholicke Doctors whose doctrynes and writeings the Church alloweth wee must more regard the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Hitherto D. Feilds allowance that this sentence is excellent Therefore soeinge Protestants neuer had nor can haue as they haue testified before any generall Councell and deny all Councells to be generall which Catholikes alledge for this Question of the Bookes of scriptures and others also They ar bownde to be obedient to that sentence next vnto them which D. Feild here hath told vs to be the Iudgment of the Church of Rome or Pope of Rome which hath defined and allowed the catholicke doctrine for the Bookes of canonicall scripture as alsoe other questions as all Protestants acknowledge Otherwise they ar in one of highest degrees of disobedience that is in this world as his words before are wittnesse For hee alloweth it for an excellent direction for this present time and state of controuersies And yett if he would contend which hee neither doth nor can being allowed for this present time to drawe it to the dayes of Thomas Waldensis disputing against Witcliffe their Brother in Religion as they write and resisting the Popes authoritie it maketh nothing for his excuse for if Witcliffe as they say was of their Religion the case betweene Waldensis and him was the same which now is with my self and other Catholicks writinge against these Protestants Brethren and Associates in Religion vnto Wickliffe and his Adherents This supposed I make the like Argument againe in this maner Whatsoeuer bookes ar proposed for canonicall scripture by the true Church ar the highest Rule that can be had or fownde in time of controueâ—sie ar to be receaued for holy scriptures But all those Bookes which the present Romane Church alloweth ar so proposed Therefore to be receaued for holy scriptures The Maior proposition is euidently true otherwise all Christians in such times must needs be perplexed in the cheifest matter of Religion by Protestants the scriptures themselues which cannot be for so contradictories might bothe be true The highest Rule ought to be followed the highest Rule ought not to be followed Which be contradictorie It ought to be followed because it is our Rule and the best that can be assigned it ought not to be followed because it is false and deceatefull And no man can be so bownde vnder damnation to followe a false Rule And concerninge the authoritie of the Church in this case it is further confirmed by these Protestant sentences D. Couells words be Couell def of Hook pag. 31. these The Church of Rome teacheth no badd opinion to affirme that the scriptures are holy and diuine in themselues but so esteemed by vs for the authoritie of the Churche And againe That the scriptures ar true wee haue it from the Church And further thus The Church hath fowre Couell sup pag. 32. 33. singular offices towards the scripture First to be of them as it were a faithefull Register Secondly to discerne and Iudge betweene false and adulterate and that which is true and perfect The third to publish and diuulge to proclayme as a cryer the true edict
authoritie in such cases is priuate Therefore no Protestant Interpretation is binding or Iuridicall The Maior proposition is thus proued by D. Feild Feild l. 4. c. 19. pag. 235. in these wordes Wee confesse that neither conference of places nor consideration of the antecedeÌ„tia and consequentia nor lookinge into the originalls are of any force vnlesse wee fynde the thingâ— which wee conceaue to be vnderstoode and ment in the places interpreted to be consonant to the Rule of faithe And hee writeth thus againe priuate Interpretation Feild pag. 226. is not so proposed and vrged as if they would binde all others to receaue it The Minor proposition That all Protestant expositions in respect of a bindeing and Iuridicall power are priuate is thus proued by this Protestant Argument No Interpretation or Interpreters wanteing Iurisdiction and authoritie to commaunde their Interpretations and expositions in matters of faith to be beleued as suche is to be accompted byndeing and Iuridicall But all English Protestant Interpretations expositions and definitions by their owne Iudgment want this bindeing and commaundeing authoritie in matters of faithe Therefore they are not Iuridicall and byndeinge to be beleeued The Maior is euidently true for where there is not power and authoritie in things those things cannot be rightly and iuridically commaunded or bindeing men to doe or beleeue them The Minor proposition is proued by D. Feild in these wordes As before wee made Feild pag. 228. three kinds of Iudgment the one of discretion Common to all the other of direction Common to the Pastors of the Churche and a third of Iurisdiction proper to them that haue supreame power in the Church So likewise wee make three kindes of Interpretation the first priuate the seconde of publickâ— direction and so the Pastors of the Church may publickly propose what they conceaue of it And the third of Iurisdiction and so they that haue supreame power that is in the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpreate the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gaynesay such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and Censures of the like nature Hitherto D. Feilds wordes playnely declareing that in his Iudgment the Protestants neither haue nor can haue this Iuridicall and commaundeing Iudgment or Interpretation because as is proued by themselues before they neither haue had nor can haue any generall Councell in which alone he placeth this Iurisdiction and bindeing power For proposeing without authoritie which hee giueth there to Bishops is not Iuridicall and coactiue If hee shall answeare that in the first three hundred yeares there was no generall Councell and yet matters of Religion were decided and embraced hee condemneth himself and all Protestants in this busines for either hee must leaue that primatiue Church absolutely without Iurisdictâ—on and power which is moste absurde or leaue it to them that both truely claymed and vsed it the Popes of Rome as these Protestants haue before acknowledged And aboue all men D. Feild must be of that opinion for hee Feild pag. 202. hath written and allowed in this maner Wee must reuerence the authoritie of all Catholiâ—ke Doctors whose doctrine and writeings the Church alloweth wee must more regarde the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Therefore by this Protestant Doctor in tyme when generall Councells cannot be the highest deciding and Iuridicall sentence and power is in the Church and Pope of Rome And by this hee is also preuented from sayinge that Protestants may commaunde such Interpretations and definitions within their owne temporall Territories for so they should not moste reuerence and respect next to a generall Councell the Church of Rome the next Iudge as hee hath written but quite the contrary their owne stubborne and disobedient wills which in such causes is Hereâ—icall or Scâ—maticall vsurpation and yet D. Feild in his diuision of Interpretations before assigneth no Iurisdiction at all to inferior Bishops to commaunde either in the whole Church or in Prouinciall in such cases Further I argue thus No opinions or Articles not grownded vppon the worde of God are to be beleeued or commaunded as matters of faith But all Protestants deductions and Interpretations in these controuersies are such not grownded vppon the word of God therefore not to be beleeued or commaunded as Articles of faith The Maior is the Common doctrine of Protestants The Minor is proued both before when Protestants haue depriued themselues of Councells Popes and all true proposers of the word of God tying themselues to their owne doctrines and deductions and is thus further confirmed by D. Couell in these wordes Couell def of Hook pag. 85. Doctrines deriued exhortations deducted Interpretations agreable are not the word of God Therefore the whole Religion of Protestants against Catholicks beinge thus fownded vppon so deceatefull a grounde as humanee deduction is cannot truely and Iuridically be commaunder Yet it is so manifest to all that their Religion consisteth wholly on their Imagined Interpretations and deductions that Mr. Wotton and Wottoâ— def of Perk. pag. 467. c. others are enforced absurdely to say that deduction from scripture maketh a matter of Faithe otherwiâ—e hee â—annot make any articlâ— of faith to be in their doctrine against vs. And D. Feild himself so resolute before against these priuate Interpretations and expositions seemeth to be of the same minde to defend their Religion in makeing such deductions to be matters of faith by euery priuate deduction his wordes be these Wee Feild pag 226. say that men not neglâ—cting that light of direction which the Churche yeeldeth noâ— other helps and meanes may be assured out of the nature of the things themselues the Conference of places the knowledg of tongues and the sutable correspondence that one parte of dyuine truth hath with an other that they haue sownde out the true meaneinge of it And by this assurednes hee seemeth to vnderstand assurednes of faith makeing their priuate deductions and Interpretations the worde of God as M. Wotton before cited doth in Wotton def of Perk. pag. 467. these wordes Wee acknowledge both and holde all matters concludeth Logically out of the scriptures to be the word of God as well as if they were expressely sett downe in it worde for worde Therefore I may lâ—wfully take it is a Common Protestant doctryne both Doctor Feild and M. Wotton speakeinge for their Protestants in the plurall number wee say wee acknowledge c. so that by their Religion M. Feilds or M. Wottons Logicke vaine and vncertayne deduction is of higher authoritie and more to be beleeued then any generall Councell or Articl of Relig. art 21. other externall Rule of Religion for all these by them as is presently to be proued may erre euen in
Iude his Epistle Iosephus Pag. 79. 80. Origen Tertullian S. Augustine Beda Procopius Gazaeus and others that Enoch did write diâ—ine things And thus they add it is probable that Noah had seene and might preserue this booke For it is not likely that so exquisite knowledge as these men had was sodenly inuented and fownd out And entreating how the booke of the battailes Pag. 306. cap. 5. §. 7. with others of holy scriptures had beene lost thus they write it seemeth probable that such a booke as this there was and that the same should now be wantinge it is not straunge seeing so many other volumes filled with diuine discourse haue perished in the longe race of time or haue beene destroyed by the ignorant and malitious heathen Magistrate For the bookes of Henoch howsoeuer they haue beene in later ages corrupted and therefore now suspected are remembred in an Epistle of Thaddaeus and cited by Origen and by Tertullian That worke also of the Patriarke Abraham of formation which others bestowe on Rabbi Achiba is no where fownde The bookes remembred by Iosua c. 10. v. 13. and in the second of Samuel c. 1. v. 18. called the booke of Iasher or Iustorum is also loste The booke of Chozai concerninge Manasse remembred in the second of Chron. 33. v. 18. and 19. of this booke also lost Hierome conceyues that the Prophet Isay was the author The same mischaunce came aswell to the story of Salomon written by Ahia Silonites as to the bookes of Nathan the Prophet and to those of Ieedo the Seer remembred in the second of Chron. c. 9. v. 29. with these haue the bookes of Shemaiah and of Iddo remembred in the second of Chron. c. 12. v. 15. perished and that of Iohn the sonne of Hanain cited in the second of Chron. c. 20. v. 34. also that of Salomons which the Hebrues write Hiscirim of 5000 verses of which that part called Canticum Canticorum onely remaineth 1. Kings 4. 32. and with this diuers other of Salomons workes haue perished as his booke of the natures of trees plants beasts fishes c. 1. Kings 4. 33. with the rest remembred by Origen Iosephus Hierome Cedrenus Ciccus Aesculanus Picus Mirandula and others Of Pag. 307. these and other bookes many were consumed with the same fyer wherewith Nebuchadnessar burnt the temple of Hierusalem Hitherto this Protestant discourse of the necessitie of vnwritten traditions not onely before the scriptures were written but after so many bookes of holy scriptures dictated by the holy Ghost hauing vtterly perished Except wee will say which God forbid that God reuealed and published in holy scriptures so many needles and fruitelesse things or els so many necessary and diuine Reuelations haue alltogether beene loste and concealed from those that should beleeue and keepe them CHAPTER VIII WHERE THE HIGHEST supreame Iudiciall definitiue authoritie of generall Councells is both proued to be such by these Protestants To binde all Christians in matters of Religion to approue the doctrine of the Church of Rome and condemne protestancie THE next Question is concerninge generall Councells of what authoritie and commaunde they are in controuersies of Religion and whether the Doctrine of the present Churche of Rome or that of English Protestants is proued and confirmed by them in the sentence of these Protestants themselues Toucheinge their power and commaunding authoritie in these causes I argue thus Whatsoeuer in controuersies of Religion is the highest Iudge the onely remedie to redresse errors hath soueraigne authoritie is aboue others to be appealed vnto hath authoritie to interprete scriptures and to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation and subiect euery man disobeyeing suche determinations to excommunication and Censures of like Nature and aboue all other Iudgments is moste to be reuerenced and respected in the opinion of Protestants must also by them be allowed for the supreame highest and laste not to be appealed from Iudgment in this world in such questions But by the testimonie of these Englishe Protestants a generall Councell is of these preeminences in these matters Therefore by them the supreame moste bynding vncontroleable and Iudgment not to be appealed from or denyed by any The Maior proposition is euidently true for that which is supreame and highest cannot be Inferior vnto any neither that which hath commaunde and authoritie ouer all can possibly be vnder the controlement and correction of any none being left to be superior vnto it The Minor is proued by these Bilson Suru pag. 82. Morton part 2. Apol. pag. 340. l. 4. cap. 18. Relat. cap. 47. Protestants following The Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson hath these words The authoritie of generall Councells is moste holsome in the Church and hee citeth S. Augustine to that purpose D. Morton writeth thus Concilium publicum est summus Iudex a generall Councell is highest Iudge The Protestant Relator of Religion nameth it the onely remedie in such times of controuersies D. Sutcliffe hath Sutcliffe subu pag. 119. Sutcl ag D. Kell pag. 41. 42. 102. these wordes generall Councells haue soueraigne authoritie in externall gouernment And thus againe False it is that wee will admitt no Iudge but scriptures for wee appeale still to a lawfull genenerall Councell Wee holde all the Christian faith explaned in the sixe generall Councells D. Feild hath written thus Bishops assembled in a generall Feild pag. 228. Councell haue authoritie to Interprete scriptures and by their authoritie to suppresse all them that gaynesay such Interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and censures of like nature And Feild l. 4. cap. 5. pag. 202. as before is cited alloweth this sentence Wee must reuerence and respect the authoritie of all Catholicke Doctors whose doctrine and writings the Church alloweth wee must more regarde the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Now to proue that generall Councells thus allowed by these Protestants for the highest and irreuocable Iudgment cannot by their owne doctrine proue their Religion to be true and so consequently no Inferior authoritie Iustifie their cause I argue in this maner whosoeuer by publicke decree and constitution doe condemne generall Councelle of error and to be a fallible and deceatefull Rule in Matters of Religion and haue no other meanes to finde the truth cannot pretend their Religion to be infallibly true as matters of faith and reuealed of God are by such testimonies But the English Protestants are in this condition concerninge generall Councells Therefore their Religion neither is nor can by their owne proceedings be warranted and proued by them to be true The Maior proposition is euident for no Iudgment erroneous and fallible can possibly make any matter or question free from error and infallible otherwise a thinge might be effected and
caused without a cause The Minor proposition is manifestly proued by these Protestants in this order for they haue before condemned all other Rules which they haue of error as their parlement Kings Censure and all priuate Interpretations and made them subiect and controleable by generall Councells as hauing authoritie ouer all parsons D. Feilds wordes of allowance after hee had with others graunted generall Councells to be supreame bynding and commaunding all be these Wee must obey without scrupulous questioninge with all modestie of Feild pag. 202. minde and reuerence of bodye with all good allowance acceptation and repose in the wordes of them that teach vs vnlesse they teach vs any thinge which the authoritie of the higher and superior controlleth Immediately before hee had allowed the supreame and highest Iudgment to generall Councells and the next to the Pope and Church of Rome Then Protestants teacheing contrarie to superior and higher authoritie in the Pope are to be condemned by him But notwithstanding all this to make their cause desolate and demonstrate that their Religion hath no warrant of truth and Infallibilitie at all Thus they write of this highest Rule of generall Councells euen in their publick Articles of Religion Articles of Relig. art 21. generall Councells may erre and sometime haue erred euen in things pertayninge vnto God Wherefore things ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse it may be declared that they be taken out of holy scripture Therefore how truely or certainely soeuer generall Councells make decrees and definitions in matters of faith they giue no validitie to Protestant Religion if in themselues they should approue it for by their cited Article their ordination hath neither strength nor authoritie as it is the decree of the generall Councells but as it may be declared by a priuate Protestant writer Prince Parlament or Conuocation in their conceipt to be taken out of scripture and yet before they haue tolde vs a generall Councell commaundeth all all must submitt themselues vnto it and all other their Rules be erroneous and deceatefull Therefore by these Protestants neither generall Councell nor any other Rule assigned by them can by any possibilitie proue their Religion true Further I argue thus No societie people or professors of Religion which by their owne confession neither haue nor by their proceedings can hereafter haue or haue heretofore had any generall Councell or meanes to assemble and call it can in reason pretend it for their cause But the state of Protestants by their owne confession is such Therefore generall Councells cannot be pretended for them The Maior proposition is euidently true for esse and beinge must needs in all things goe before operari and workeinge by them For as by nature nothinge can be made of nothinge so that which wanteth being and is not can produce nothinge The Minor proposition is likewise manifestly true for neuer any Protestant nor altogether so much as clayme authoritie or Iurisdiction in this matter none amonge them pretending it further then their owne particular temporall dominions which all vnited together neuer like to be are farre to shorte and vnequall to make a Councell generall which they say excludeth none especially of the greate patriarkes of Rome Constantinople Alexandria and Antioche not one of them being for them but all with their whole precincts limitts subiects and ditions against them by their owne confession To this I add the Censure of their owne Protestant Relator in these wordes The Protestants Relation of Religion cap. 47. are seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes each drawing diuers way without any meanes to pacific their quarrells to take vpp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a Common superintendance of care of their Churches for correspondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a generall Councell of their part the onely hope remayninge euer to assuage their contentions And yet if they could haue meanes for such a meeteing of Protestants so few in number and weake in Iurisdiction by their owne graunte in regard of Catholicks and other Christian Kingdomes and prouinces different to them in Religion this would be farre from the leaste shewe and name of an vniuersall and generall Councell such as they allowe to Iudge and sentence in this busines Neither can these men now deny the necessitie of generall Councells hauing so much allowed them for supreame sentencer before and appealed to a generall Councell to be assembled Neither may they compare their so desolate estate with the primatiue Church of the first three hundred yeares for themselues haue graunted before that a supreame and commaunding binding power ouer all was not onely claymed but lawfully and iuridically exercised and executed by the Popes of Rome in those times in all partes of the Christian world and both power and authoritie to approue and reproue Councells was belongeing vnto them by publickly receaued Canon in those dayes And herevppon I argue in this maner that generall Councells are for the doctrine of the Church of Rome Whatsoeuer Church in the primatiue time of Christianitie was endowed with such priuiledges that euery thinge was voide that was done without the consent of the Bishop and Ruler of it and no Councell could be called without his allowance and at this present hath by the graunte of Protestants a common Father aduiser and conductor to end Iarrs displeasures differences to keepe Religion in vnitie by Councells when no other Church enioyeth these immunities must needs in all reason be sayde to be warranted and defended by generall Councells But the Church of Rome is by the graunte of Protestants in this Condition Therefore warranted and defended by generall Councells The first proposition is euidently true for hee that from the begynning had these prerogatiues to approue or disproue Confirme or inualidate Councells cannot be conceaued to haue ratified or confirmed any thinge against the immunities and Common receaued doctrine of that Church so exalted dignified and priuiledged aboue all others of the whole Christian worlde and against his owne supreame and eminent Authoritie The Minor proposition is thus proued first D. Couell sheweth that an hundred yeares before the Nycene Councell in the yeare of our Lorde 2â—5 when there was no Emperour Christian to call Councells as Protestants would pâ—rsuade the world they did and should the Pope of Rome had this prerogatiue to call Councells Therefore from the begynninge by preeminence of his See seing there had not beene either generall Councell or Emperour to giue it vnto him His wordes be these The synode of Rome called Couell ag the plea of the Innoc. pag. 110. by Cornelius Pope of Rome against Nonatus consisted of threescore Bishops and many others of the cleargie Where wee see Heresie condemned and â—â— that scarcetie of Bishops in those first dayes of Christianitie so greate in Councell assembled by the Popes authoritie
of D. Gâ—orge Abbot sup pag. 48. 52. Constance before by him and others generall did define Wickliffe to be an Hereticke Also Pope Iohn the 23 in a generall Councell at Rome did condemne him for an Hereticke Then by this graunt The protestancie of England being the same as these Protestants tell vs which was taught be Iohn Wickliffe and by these Councells generall by their owne assertions condemned for Heresie must needs be Heresie And the contrarie doctrine of the Church of Rome orthodoxall and Catholicke otherwise no doctrine euer at any time was or can be hereafter lawfully condemned for Heresie or iuridically approued and allowed for true and Catholicke For by their owne Censure the highest Iudgment in the Church generall Councells haue thus defined and by their doctrine before of the power of generall Councells bownde all Christians vnder penaltie of eternall damnation so to beleeue in these questions And allthough the generall Councells of the primatiue Church were assembled about other Heresies The Catholicke doctrine of these points now impugned by Protestants then generally receaued and not doubted of as will manifestly appeare in the Chapter of Holy Fathers and Doctors of the primatiue Church yet because the first fower generall Councells are by name receaued and authorized by Parlament both by Queene Elizabeth and our Statut. 1. Eliz. 1. Iacob c. Sutcliffe ag D. Kell pag. 102. present Soueraigne And D. Sutcliffe for Protestants hath answeared thus before wee hold all the Christian faithe explaned in the sixe generall Councells Then seing the first sixe haue gott this greate papall approbation first concerninge the first generall Councell of Nice all though Vitus and Vincentius were presidents there for the Pope of Rome yet it was further confirmed by that Apostolicke Conc. Rom. tom 1. concil See in these words Whatsoeuer is constituted in Nyce of Bithinia to the strength of our holy Mother the Catholicke Church by 318 Preists wee confirme with our mouth Wee anathematize all them that shall dare to dissolue the definition of the holy and greate Councell gathered together at Nyce The third Canon of that holy Councell Conc. 1. Nicen can 3. defineth thus Omnibus modis Interdixit sancta Synodus c. The holy Councell hath wholly forbidden that it shall be lawfull neither for Bishop Preist nor Protest Booke of makeing and Order Bish. Preists c. An 3. Edw. 6. 1. El. 1. Iacob can Iacob can 7. can 8. Socr. 1. c. 8. Sozom. Deacon nor any other of the Cleargie to haue with him any straunge woman except perhaps mother or Sister or Grandmother c. Where there be more Orders of the Cleargie then Bishops Preists and Deacons onely allowed with them and none of these to haue any other woman or wife but to lyue in chastitie Their Answeare that Paphnutius persuaded the Councell that wiues maryed before orders might be kept out of Socrates and Sozomen is directly against the words of the Councell l. 1. c. 22. Epip in Compend Basil epist 17. in addit Hier. in vigilant epist 50. ad Pammach cone Carthag 2. can 2. concil 6. generca 2. in Trull before cited against S. Epiphanius that glorious Saint and Father of the Greeke Church S. Basile also S. Hierome c. the second Carthagenian Councell confirmed in the sixt generall Councell allowed by D. Sutcliffe defineing thus Apostoli docuerunt ipsa seruauit antiquitas c. The Apostles taught and antiquitie it self obserued that Bishops Preists and Deacons and those that handle Sacraments should be keepers of Chastitie and abstayne from wiues And yet these Protestants vtterly deny the opinion of Paphnutius himself as they themselues cite hym for they Marry after Orders which they confesse both Paphnutius and the first Nicen Councell denyed to be lawfull together with Socrates Sozomenus and all Greeke authoritie and practice In the fourtenth Canon of that first generall Councell the sacrifice of Masse and Christs reall presence in the blessed Sacrament of the altare are taught in these Concil Nicen 1. can 14. words This neither the Rule nor custome hath deliuered that they which haue not power to offer sacrifice should giue the bodie of Christ to them that offer it vp The sixt canon deliuereth by their Concil 1. Nicen. can 6. owne Interpretation that the Pope of Rome is supreame heade of the Church of England and all others in this part of the world And in truthe of the whole Iohn Speed in Theatr. pag. â—06 concil Sardicen can 3. 4. 7. c. Theodoret. l 2. hist c. 8 hist trip l. 4. c. 24. 2â— 15. 16. Conc. Constantinopol 2. gener can 2. Can. 5. Christian worlde as is declared in the greate Sardican Councell generall and otherwise binding this Kingdome by our Bishops presence and assent there by our Protestant Theater where Appeales be graunted to the Pope from any Bishops or Councells themselues And the second generall Councell held at Constantinople maketh manifest that the Nicen Councell prescribed no limits to the Pope of Rome but to other Patriarkes and plainely deciareth Episcopuin Romanum habere primatum That the Bishop of Rome is supreame And by denying this to haue beene the decree of the Nicen Councell they proue the Popes supreamacie from the beginninge For Socrates Socrates in histor tripart lib. 4. cap. 9. writeing how the Antiochian Councell kept within twentie yeares of that of Nyce Was reiected because not approued by the See of Rome writeth thus Cum vtique Regula eâ—clesiastica iubeat non oportere praeter sententiam Romani pontifiâ—is Con ilia celebrare The ecclesiasticall Rule commaundeth that Councells be not called without the consent of the Pope of Rome Therefore their Bishop Bilson writeth thus The Canon Bilson true diff pag. 67 pag. 66. sup of the primatiue Church forbad any Councell to be called without the Bishop of Rome his consent The canon of the primatiue Church made euery thinge voide that was done without the Bishop of Rome Then what may wee thinke of the Protestants doeings in England where his Authoritie Nicephor Calix histecel in concil Ephes Prosper in Chron. An. 431. is so dispised In the third generall Councell at Ephesus the then Pope of Rome Celestiâ—â—â— constituted Cyrillus Patriarke of Alexandria to be president for him In the fourth generall Councell at Caleedon the cause of the Popes supreamacie is so cleare that D. Downame denieth not but it attributed Downam l. 1. Antichrist c. 3. pag. 36. concil Calcedon sess 8. to the Pope of Rome to be heade of the Churche In that Councell in the 8. session is thus registred Omnes Episcopi clamauerunt c. All the Bishops cryed out next vnto God Leo then Pope of Rome hath Iudged And the Pope himself not being present in that Councell his legates gaue sentence against Dioscorus The wordes of the Councell be these Et cum Concil Calced Act. 1. 2.
venerable Imadges commaunding the making and vse of them In the last Canon they giue diligent and longe directions Can. 102. vnto preists how to behaue themselues in aduising and absoluing penitents in the Sacramen◠of penance Therefore I may conclude that Protestants Religion is vtterly condemned by generall Councells both of the primatiue Church and latter ages And consequently by all other Iudgments in the Church of Christ Because these men haue told vs that all Bishops Doctors and Professors of Religion are bownde to followe the definitions of generall Councells CHAPTER IX WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these Protestants That the authoritie of the primatiue Fathers is to be receaued and followed in matters of Religion And how it wholly proueth the present doctrine of the Church of Rome vtterly condemninge all Protestant Religion THE authoritie and value of the Testimonie of the auncient Fathers and that they taught and approued the doctrine of the present Churche of Rome euen by the graunt of these Protestants is euident in the laste Chapter for being of that opinion in generall Councells and publicke assemblies and sentences to which by their owne consent and subscription they submitted and bownde themselues as to their lawfull and commaunding Rule they could not and might not teache and write otherwise in priuate then in publicke themselues and others had authoritatiuely concluded Yet for a full satisfaction to Protestants in all things I will breefely entreate of these also as they wer◠priuate writers And first of their authoritie I argue thus Whoso euer allowe in shewe and wordes amonge the Ignorant Readers or hearers of their writings and sermons the authoritie of the auncient and primatiue Fathers to procure people to beleeue that their Religion and doctrine agreeth with them as men teaching and writing the truthe and to that purpose doe yeeld vnto them greate respect and reuerence ought truely and syncerely to beleeue and embrace their Religion But these English Protestant writers be such Therefore they ought and are bownde to followe and embrace their doctrine The Maior proposition is euidently true for as dissimulation craftie and double dealeinges to delude and deceaue others in all thinges is a vile and abominable synne against truthe charitie and Iustice so in matters of Religion wherein not the least equiuocation of to saue a mans life may be vsed it must needs be an offence moste damnable and deuelishe The Minor proposition is thus proued by these Protestants Their Protestant Bishop D. Bilson writeth thus The Bilson suru pag. 85. auncient consent of godly Fathers is with greate care to be searched and fallowed of vs cheifely in the Rule of faith And agayne Wee rest vppon the Pag. 82. sup scriptures of God vppon the authoritie of the auncient Doctors and Councells And maketh the same reason with Vincentius Lirinensis in these Pag. 83. sup words Leaste euery man should wrest the scriptures to his fansye and sucke thence not the truthe but the patronage of his error And hee addeth that S. Augustine gaue this respect not onely to generall Councells but to the testimonies of particular Fathers Irenaeus Ciprian Hilarius Ambrose Gregory c. Chrisestome Basil and others D. Sutcliffe writeth thus Wee Sutcl subuers pag. 87. acknowledge the faith of the Fathers of the fourth fift and sixt ages and adioyne our selues to that Church And to credite his cause and make his readers beleeue hee consenteth with those Fathers hee speaketh in this maner The Fathers in all points of faith are for vs Protestants Sutel ag D. Kell pag. 17. and not for the Pope D. Willer knowing of what little credit his bare worde is euen by his Protestants as appeareth hereafter would procure creditt to his protestancye by damnable periury in these wordes I take God to wittnesse before Willet Antilog pag. 263. whome I must render accompt c. That the same faithe and Religion which I defend is taught and confirmed in the more substantiall points by these Historians Councells Fathers that liued within syne or sixe hundred yeares after Christ And further Pag. 264. sup thus It is moste notoriously euident that for the grossest points of Popery as Transsabstantiation sacrifice of Masse worshipping of Imadges Iustification by workes the supreamacie of the Pope prohibition of Mariage and such other they of the Romane Churche haue no shewe at all of any euidence from the Fathers within syue hundred yeares of Christ In all which questions amonge others I am to proue the contrary be these Protestants themselues hereafter in their place And in an other page of the same treatise hee writeth thus The auntient Fathers that liued within sixe hundred yeares of Christ are Willet Antil pag. 271. K. speache in parl An. 1603 conference at Hampt pag. 73. against them His Maiesties speach in parlament it this I will euer yeeld all reuerence to antiquitie And in their conference For my parte I knowe not howe to answeare the obiection of papists when they charge vs with nouelties but to tell them their abuses are new And hee approueth the dayes of Constantine for a Rule in Religion saying Constantine is not to be appeached of superstition but thinges then vsed may still be continued Confer pag. 69. But now it shall appeare that these Protestant Doctors and Ministers are so far from iustifying these their oathes protestations and assertions they be enforced to acknowledge those primatiue Fathers doe allowe teache and approue the doctrine of the present Romane Churche which these men impugne and persecute and for that cause doe not onely deny the authorities of those primatiue learned and holy Fathers but call and censure them with vnciuill barbarous contemptuous and Irreligeous names and phrases For proofe whereof I argue thus Whatsoeuer Sect Religion or People being vrged by such testimonies as Protestants haue giuen for allowance of the Fathers authorities before to followe them accept of their doctrine and stand to their Iudgment in these controuersies of Religion doe vtterly refuse and disallowe it though his Maiestie should approue it but say they are vnfit Iudges in controuersies of diuinitie that their Iudgment is little to be respected their testimonie is not worthe answearing there is no probabilitie in their opiniōs they are not to be beleeued deserue not credit are not credible to be admitted are not fitt Iudges were to partiall are to bee forsaken contemned and dispised such men cannot with any apparance of truthe affirme those primatiue Fathers and Doctors to allowe their Religion and proceedings or defend their cause by their Authorities But these Protestants Doctors and Ministers of England be such Therefore those Fathers are not for their Religion The Maior proposition is to manifestly true and the Minor is proued also by these Protestants themselues in this maner M. Wotton expressely controlleth the Kings sentence before concerninge Wotton def of Perk. pag. 15. 16. the time of Constantine and antiquitie his wordes be these the
Latines and Romane Church in all opinions and ceremonies vsed before their seperation For to make manifest the Antiquitie of these holy ceremonies by that his prescribed time of seperation first D. Willet Willet Antil pag. 169. telleth vs it was before the writing of the tripartite historie which hee citeth to that end and was twelue hundreds of yeares synce D. Downame is of the like opinion Downame Booke of Antichrist denowncing it to haue beene in the dayes of the primatiue Churche before they take any exception to the Churche of Rome D. Feild is of the same mynde all of them assigning Feild l. 3. c. 1. pag. 62. Sutcliff subuor pag. 89 epist dedicat Willet Antilog pag. 263. 271. it longe before the 600. yeare which D. Sutcliffe D. Willet and others allowe for an vnspotted time in Religion and ceremonies thereof And thus wee see that those things which to their ignorant Readers and Auditors they will seeme to reprehend themselues in their owne Iudgment and Rule in such causes haue moste highely and vndenieably confirmed and iustified Againe I argue thus from the Relator himselfe Those Ceremonies which breede order in the Church auoyde scandall giue propagation vnto Religion breede vnitie and doe ingender quicken encrease and norish the inwarde Reuerence respect and deuotion which is due vnto soueraigne Maiestie and power and of themselues are decent reuerent and significant are to be allowed retayned and adiudged such as become true Religion But the present Ceremonies of the Romane Church at this day are such Therefore to be allowed retayned and adiudged for decent holy reuerent c. The Maior proposition is without all question true and more then the Protestants require in this case The Minor is Relation of Religion cap. 47. proued by this Relator speaking of the Church of Rome and the ceremonies thereof in these words For order in the worlde for quiet in the Churche for auoyding of scandall for propagatinge and encrease of what greate power that vnitie is which proceeds from authoritie the papacie may teache And againe The outward state and glorie of their seruice doth ingender Relation sup cap. 6. quicken encrease and norish the inwarde reuerence respect and deuotion which is due vnto soueraigne Maiestie and power Their outward gestures are decent Cap. 5. reuerent and significant Then these holy Ceremonies hauing so greate allowance from our Enemyes themselues for their decencie reuerence signification vertue and antiquitie must needs be so embraced preserued and exercised and may not be termed offensyue ceremonyes by that or any Protestant And to exemplify particularly in those ceremonies of the present Church of Rome which be moste disallowed of our English Protestants I argue thus Those ceremonies which were vsed in the primatiue Church of Rome when it was in her best and florishinge state a Rule to all c. ought or may still be practized and obserued But those ceremonies which the present Romane Church now obserueth and are so much disliked by many English Protestants are such Therefore they ought or may still to be vsed and with reuerence practized The Maior proposition is often graunted before Articul of Relig. 20. An. 1562. by these Protestants and thus defined in the 20. Article of their Religion The Church hath power to decree Rites or ceremonies and authoritie in controuersies of faith So that whether these ceremonies belonge to faith or manners being practized or ordayned by our Mother Church of Rome and the gouernors thereof when by all confessions it was holy and the true Church of Christ they are religeously to be embraced and receaued The Minor proposition is thus proued by these men M. Hull in his worke intituled Hull Romes polecies pag 82. 13. 83. 84. 85. 86. Romes polecies thus recompteth them Lent embringe dayes friday altares lynnen Albes corporalls preists Roabes the feaste of S. Peters chaynes the feast of Candlemasse The exaltation of the crosse the Saincts fastinge euens Annoyntinge the sicke annoynting Bishops crossinge with Chrisme in Baptisme Saincts Shrynes Hymnes pax to be caryed about to be kissed the paschall Tapar on Easter Eauen to be hallowed organes and Church instruments singeing of psalmes in order with Antiphones Masse for the deade canonicall howres processions processions to goe rownde about the Churche euery sonday Hitherto the words of this Protestant writer Others of them as D. Morton D. Couell M. Ormerod Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 141. Couell examinat Ormerod pict parit G. 2. 1. 3. 4. Theat of gr Britan. pag. 298. 299. 351. c. doe add holy water holy fonts interrogatories in Baptisme dedication of Churches introyte of Masse wafer cakes to be consecrated in the holy Mysteries Gloria in excelsis the Ringe in Marriadge And others are added by their Theater before and other Protestants And they tell vs further the names of those sacred Popes and Pastors of the Church that vsed approued constituted or confirmed vnto vs these sacred Ceremonies to haue beene in the primatiue Church when it truely was by his Maiesties graunt in her best estate and Mother Church to prescribe vnto other prouinciall Kinges speache in parlam Churches her daughters and as they then were and now should be her obedient children And they name them as followeth Telesphorus Calixtus Stephanus Siluester Sixtus Hull sup pag. 82. 13. 83. 84. 85. 86. Morton Couell Ormer sup Vigilius Honorius Bonifacius Sergius Leo Innocentius Zozimus Vitellian Celestine Pelagius Vrbanus Agapitus Damasus Higinius Pius Celestinus Alexander All which ruled the Church and liued longe before Protestants exception to the Church of Rome K. in parlam Kinge in Confer at Hampton pag. 75. and when it was in her florishing and best estate such as wee may not depart from it by his regall sentence Of what higthest and commaunding authoritie ouer others the Popes of Rome were in those vnspotted dayes of Christianitie hath beene proued before To which I add that D. Couell doth not onely tell vs that Metropolitanes Archbishops Couell modest exam pag. 111. c. came from thence and who to whome should be obedient and Superior and were so vsed before the first generall Councell to testifie that this supreamacie was from Christ immediately and not from Councells But hee further speaketh thus Eyther Euaristus Bishop in the See of Rome in the Couell supr pag. 162 yeare 112 or as some say Dyonisius first assigned the precincts to euery parish and appointed to each Presbiter a certaine compasse whereof himself should take charge alone Hitherto his words Then if this supreame and binding authoritie was in that chaste and florishinge time of true Religion in the Bishop of Rome ouer all Preists Bishops Archbishops Metropolitanes c. to appoint constitute and decree not onely what ceremonies and solemnities should be vsed in all Churches but to rate and proportion out what power priuiledge and iurisdiction all Pastors prelates and spirituall Rulers should enioy
England to bee no true ministery Assertion An. Dom. 1604. pag. 277. 218. doth make demonstration of it in this maner The Queenes Royall Maiestie being neuer capable of any part of spirituall power The same could not bee deryued from her parson to the Archbishopps and Bishops Nemo potest plus Iuris in alium transferre quà m ipse habet No parson can transferre more authoritie vnto an other then hee himselfe hath And thus much concerninge Couell cont Burg. pag. 60. WottoÌ„ def of Perk. pag. 442. the first proposition The second is thus proued by D. Couell and D. Whitakers cited and allowed by him in this words The Church of Christ according to her authoritie receaued from him hath warrant to approue the scriptures to acknowledge to receaue to publishe and commaunde vnto her children Mr. Wotton witnesseth the like in this maner The Iugdment of the Churche wee ar so far from discrediting that wee holde it for a speciall grounde in this matter of scriptures Therefore that Iudgment which may in no wayes bee discredited in the greatest matter must needs bee infallible For euery witnes that is fallible may iustely bee discredited in such busines especially My fourth Argument is this whatsoeuer doth support and sustayne the truthe in which and no where els the truthe is preserued which is a diligent and warye keeper of Christs true doctrine committed vnto it chaungeinge nothinge at any time diminisheinge nothinge addinge nothinge not loseing her owne nor vsurpinge things belonginge to others must needs bee of Infallible Iudgment and free from error But the true Church of Christ is suche Therefore it is infallible in Iudgment and free from error The first propositions is euidently true for truthe once committed vnto one and continually so supported sustayned and preserued without chaunge diminution addition losse or vsurpation must of necessitie and Infallibly still bee truthe for neither truthe nor any thinge els so mayntayned and kept vnuiolable can by any possibilitie bee ouerthrowne or altered The seconde proposition is thus proued by this Protestants Mr. Ormerods Ormerod pict pap pap 93. words bee thus The Church is called a piller because it is like vnto a piller For as a piller dothe supporte and vnderproppe a buildinge and maketh it more stable firme and stronge so the Church doth sustayne and supporte the truthe for the truthe is no where preserued but in the Churche D. Sutcliffe Sutcliffe against the 3 conuers pag. 79. approueth this sentence Christs true Church is a diligent and wary keeper of doctrines committed to her and chaungeth nothinge at any time diminisheth nothinge addeth nothinge superfluous looseth not her owne nor vsurpeth things belongeinge to others Therefore Christs true doctrine committed to the true Church and continued and preserued longe time in the Church of Rome Christs true Church as this Protestants graunt in the next chapter must needs still be there and that still the true Church of Christ because that euer preserueth and neuer looseth or chaungeth the truthe nor any part thereof fundamentall or not fundamentall Lastely in this Question I argue thus whatsoeuer Societie or Companie hath authoritie in controuersies of faith and out of it there is no saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life must needs bee infallible in Iugdment free from error and onely to be obeyed in such things aboue all other Consistories Conuenticles or priuate parsons But the true Church is such Therefore Infallible in Iudgment free from error and so to be obeyed The first proposition is euidently true otherwise men were some times bownde to bee Hereticks or beleeue errors because authoritie is to bee obeyed and not resisted and Hereticks might be saued or God our moste good and mercifull Lord and Sauiour compelleth and necessitateth man to bee damned which be euident blasphemies The second proposition is proued by these English ProtestaÌ„ts first their booke of Articles to which they all sweare or subscribe Booke of Articl articul 20. reconfirmed by his maiestie Feild pag. 69. Couell def of Hoocker pag. 76. defineth thus The Church hath authoritie in controuersies of faith D. Feild hath this sentence There is no saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life out of the Churche Like is the Iudgment of D. Couell and others And thus much of the Infallible highest Authoritie Iudgment Commaunding and Bindinge power of Christs true Church in generall Which can be but one as that Article of our Creede I beleeue the holy Catholick Church not Churches teacheth vs. And these Protestants in their Articles define it Artic. 19. A congregation of faithfull men c. not congregations And thus comment vppon it â—here Rogers vpp their Articl pag. 86. 88. 89. is but one Church And proue it by these scriptures Rom. 11. 5. 1. Cor. 10. 17. 1. Cor. 12 12. 13. 27. Rom. 12. 4. 5. Gal. 3. 28. and add thus all Gods people agree with vs in this point And cyte for it the Protestant confessions of Heluetia Boheme Gall. Belgia Augâ—st Wittenb Suew And these Protestants before haue so taught vs when they define or descrebe it allwayes in the singular number onely by these their names and distinctions blessed companie of holy ones houshold of faithe spouse of Christ Church of the liueing God piller of truthe c. And in all verbes relatiues or demonstratiues of it so singularly speakeing of it as her communion her directions her Iudgment her Children her Definitions hath warrant to approue to publish to commaunde is a diligent keeper of doctrines committed to her chaungeth nothinge diminisheth nothing c. Which by no possibilitie can bee verified of the Protestants either in England or any other nation none of them in particular or all together haueing clayming or pretending either infallibilitie in Iudgment to warrant any one article in controuersie but voluntarily and generally teachinge that Thesis generalâ—â— est it is a generall Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. willet Antil praef engl pag. 71. 120. 150. 4â— pref to the Read in Antil Artiâ—l of Relig. art 21. Relation of the state of Religion cap. 47. c. Comm vppon the Articl of Engl. Protest by Mr Rog. in pref Maxime there is none in their Church whose Iudgment is of Infallible authoritie Neither Prince Parlament Cowncell Ministery or their Church hath any priuilegd from error but they haue and doe erre in things pertayning to God Neither challenge any Iurisdiction generall to bynde others to their Religion but absolutely confessinge The Protestant ar without any meanes to take vp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a common Superintendance or care of their Churches And their publick comment vppon their Articles to which they haue all subscribed assureth vs is to be so for relatinge vnto vs how in the begynninge of their Reuolt from the Church of Rome to persuade the world they laboured by all
means they could to come to vnitie amonge themselues as in the true Church it must bee Crammer and others vsed all deuises and Caluyne wrote vnto him sayeing That might his labours stand the Church insteed ne decem quideÌ„ Maria it would not greeue him to sayle ouer ten seas to such a purpose But this proued a worke of much difficultie if not altogether vnpossible in mans eyes Where they well might haue left out their addition if not and haue playnely sayd without any exception as it hath playnely proued that it was altogether vnpossible in mans eyes especially in the common order of proceedings amonge them which by their owne Relation was this That euery kingedome and free state or principalitie which had abandoned the Religion of Rome should diuulge a breife of that Religion which amonge them was taught and beleeued Wherevppon as this men tell came forthe the seuerall Protestant confessions or Religions of the seuerall Protestant Congregations of Wittemberge Ausburge Bohem Sueue Scotland Heluetia Fraunce Belgia Basile Saxonie England in their 39. Articles c. amonge whome euen those of England it selfe what contradiction there is euen in matters by their owne doctrine fundamentall and essentiall in Religion demonstration is lately made by this same maner and methode by their owne authorities and will be also manifest in this worke And yett The Answ of Orford â—â— the 1000. pet Articul 19. 21. this men which say they ar the learnest ministerye in the worlde and definitiuely condemne all Churches as Ierusalem Alexandria Antioch and Rome and generall Councells themselues of error and may not pleade Ignorance for themselues to excuse them from error Neither can they with the least pretence of truth affirme their acknowledged lyeing and erroneous Churche to be the true Church of God except they will also moste blasphemously teach and mayntayne that prima veritas and eternall truthe is eternall August lib. de mendas falsehood or with the damned Priscillianists that God in his Reuelations to his Church and in the holy scriptures hath deliuered lyes and errours commaundinge vs to beleeue them For they haue before assured vs that the true Church of God warily keepeth all doctrine committed to her chaungeth diminiâ—heth addeth loseth vsurpeth nothinge Therefore this chaungeing diminishinge loseinge and vsurpinge Church of Protestants cannot be this true Church of Christ by their owne doctrine And as materiall essentiall and fundamentall it is in Religion concerninge the true grounde and fowndation of faith and as greate a falsehood to say in the meanest or least point of faith that truth is error God a lyar or his Church a seducer as so to affirme in the greatest and moste concerninge mystery of Religion The true groundes and fowndation of true beleeueinge equally weakened or ouerthrowne in the one as the other And the first proposition which our Catholick Preists and brethren prisoners at Wisbych offered to the vice-chaunceller of Cambridge and that vniuersitie that is Ecclesia protestantium non est vera Christi Ecclesia The Protestant Churche is not the true Church of Christ is here sufficiently questioned and by themsels not longe since more then sufficiently demonstrated to bâ— Pulâ—â—â—a propositio really Demonstrat of Recuse dem 2. 3. 4. c. and sincerely a true proposition and not scoffingly as hee pleaseth to parenthesize And so will be defended or proued by those propownders of it As also their second proposition for of the third in his proper place dâ—tur externus Iudex in rebus fidei there is an externall Iudge in matters of faith will bee maynâ—ayned not onely in such sense as the Vniuersiâ—ie of Cambridge accordinge to the nature of their Church and Religion graunteth that is fallible and deceatfull But as our Brethren accordinge to the nature of true Faithe Religion and the true Church infallible intended it and still offer to make it good for the Romane Church euer synce the time of Christ and so hereafter When our English Protestant vniuersitie for their so lately as they terme Vicech of Camb D. Carey his letter Aug. 7. it reformed Church and light of the Ghospell ar driuen to this Answeare in these words Your second question is affirmatiue auerring an externall Iudge in maâ—ters of faith If you vnderstand a Iugde infallible in his sentence wee deny what you affirme otherwise wee gaynesay not your assertion Which in their owne meaninge aboue remembred is pulchra propositio for their Illuminated Church which will haue no Iudge or Iudgment in matters of faith aboue all things most infallible and certainely true except wee will allowe it for an Article of faithe or an infallible truthe that the Iudge and Iudgment must be fallible and deceatefull And the Religion and faith so adiudged and propownded to bee followed and with diuine faith to be beleeued against the nature thereof to be false erroneoes fallible or deceatefull for such as the Iudge is the Iudgment and difficultie adiudged must needs be And yett further one scruple more there is in this busines which because Cambridge is now busyed enough against pore prisoners without bookes I wish that Oxford could resolue how it can stand with the Integritie and sownd doctrine of a Reformed Church and spoken consequenter like a learned vniuersitie to graunt as they haue done and must doe by their Religion to this day that there be and must be so many Supreame and Independant Iudges and heaps in their Churche as I haue before remembred from themselues Religions Churches seuerall and different Confessions or Professions of Faithe euery one absolute of it self and without dependance of any other and to vse their owne wordes Without any meanes to take vp their controuersies no Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke to haue a common superintendence or care of their Churches Their lett sup Aug. 7. And yett now the vniuersitie of Cambridge haueing as they write warrant from our Kinge to accept our Preists challendge God graunt they performe their warrant Ioyneth with them in this position datur externus Iudex there â—â— an externall or one externall Iudge in matters of faith If there is but one externall Iudge for Iudex externâ—â— and externall Iudge in the singular number is but one then those Churches or Church of theirs which from their begynning haue had so many supreame Iudges and Iudgments cannot be the true Church of Christ which as now the graunt hath but one And if their former both doctrine and practise of many such Iudges is true then their present doctrine and graunt of onely one is false and inferreth a false Church But I leaue them to our Preists at Wisbych Onely here I will adde because they haue now allowed one externall Iudge in matters of faith in the true Church to whose Iudgment all must be obedient otherwise hee is not to be named a Iudge they must also against their owne limitation allowe that his Iudgment
that they are malitious against it they shall deny it to be the true Church of Christ because in his Iudgment the true and essentiall definition of the true Church euer was and still is vnseperably annexed vnto it Concerning D. Mortons exception and limitation That the error and superstition doe proceede not from knowledge but from Ignorance is fully answeared by his owne fellowes in Religion before graunteinge that the Popes greatest Doctors and Princes of our Religion ar Saints and saued soules And to auoide ignorance or willfull erringe they haue written The Papists cry mamely in all Relation of Relig. cap. 29. places for triall by disputation And that English Protestants persecutions against vs ar thought to equall those of Nero and Dioclesian Which wee would not suffer if wee knew our selues in error willfull both to be afflicted in this and the world to come Besides D. Mortons limitation is ridiculous for error and superstition doe not proceede from knowledge as his fonde distinction surmiseth neither doth the state of knowledge or ignorance â—arye the essentiall necessary and fundamentall definition nature or essence of the Church being one and the same in that as in all other things in all estates and times The particular exceptions which hee taketh against the Innouation of some doctrines which hee contendeth to haue beene in the Romane Church first ar friuolous in this dispute none of them as hee confesseth being of any thinge essentiall and necessarie either to the true Church or saluation of which wee contend in this place Secondly they shall be all confuted in their proper places by these his owne brethren and present frends and contrymen in Religion Thirdly not to suspend my Readers Iudgment so longe Doctor Morton shall answeare and by a generall Morton Appeal lib. 4. cap. 30. pag. 573. 574. reason so much as this place will permitt confute himself in his owne obiection His words be these Protestants in oppugninge doctrines which they call new and not Catholicke ar so farre from sufferinge the limitation of the first 4â—0 yeares that they giue the Romanists the scope of the first 600. yeares S. Gregory liued within the first 600. yeares Hee addeth for himself and other Protestants as the Centuriarists and many more of our conuersion then in this Morton lib. 1. cap. â— pag. 60. supr maner Pagan and Heathnish people by the light of the ghospell throughe the Ministerie of Austen the legate of S. Gregory were brought vnto the folde of Christ And therefore our Authors called iâ— a gratious conuersion And yett that this light Ghospell fold of Christ and gratiuâ— conuersion to which they were conuerted was as they now scoffingly terme our Catholicke Romane Religion Romanisme Papisme Papistry superstitions Ceremonies and the like by which they expresse the full state of our Religion is thus testified by D. Mortons Protestant Authors and wittnesses The wordes of his Centuriarists be these Augustinus Romanus ordinis Centuriator CeÌ„tur 6. An. 1â—82 pag. 747. 748. Benedicti Monachuâ— Ã Gregorio Papa Anno Domini 582. Augustine a Romane a Monke of the order of Benedict was sent from Gregory the Pope in the yeare of our Lord 582. into England to wyn it to the Pope of Rome and to make it subiect to his superstitious Iurisdiction Enterin into the Kentish Isle named Tenet in the yeare of our Lord 596. hee endued Kinge Edelbert and his superstitious Wife in the Romane Religion Yett with that condition that this Popish worship should be free and not compelled After calling a councell hee obtruded the Romish Rites and customes to those Churches that it to say Altares Vestments Images Masses Chalices Crosses Candlesticks Censors Banners sacred vessels holy water thee bookes of the Romane Ceremonies Oblations Processions Pompes Tithes and the like When hee had subiected the brittane Churches to the Antichrist of Rome Romano Antichristo subiecisset hee dyed Thus wee see by D. Morton his greately reuerenced Col. 749. and esteemed frends and fellowes in Religion that the state of the Romane Church in that his allowed time was the same that it is at this present And not onely his Centuriarists but other Protestants by his owne Relation ar wittnesses Morton App. lib. 1. cap. 3. Willet de August mon. Morton supr pag. 67. l. 1. cap. 6. Centuriat centur 7. col 559. in this cause Doctor Humfrey as hee acknowledgeth saith that Gregory brought in on us ceremoniarum a burthen of Ceremonies D. Willet saith hee brought in Popery Luke Osiander and his before cited frends call that Religion ceremonias papisticas papisticall ceremonies And to vse their words Ceremonias papisticas instituturi propagaturi quod Beda vocat aliquos Christo praedicando acquirere to teach and publish papisticall ceremonies which Bede that glorie of our nation calleth to gett some to Christ by preachinge Mr. Bale an other of his frends Ioan. Bal. l. de script Brit. centur 1. in August pag. 34. fol. 3 5. and Authors hath these wordes Augustine was sent Apostle from Gregorie to instruct the English Saxons in the papisticall faith papistica fide initiandos And againe Kinge Ethelbert being conuerted receaued Romanisme with the superstitions adioyned Romanismum cum adiunctis superstitionibus suscepit Augustine brought in Alâ—â—rs Vestments sacred Vessels Relicts and bookes of Câ—â—â—monies all which Gregory had sent vnto him with the blessinge of Peter And that these with the rest of our sacred câ—remonies which they call the body of popery were not then newly Inuented but vsed in the Church of Rome when his maiestie saithe it was a Rule to all K. Speach both in faith and ceremonies shall be testified and proued hereafter in the proper question of such things by D. Morton himself and too many others of his now English Protestant confederates in Religion to be without manifest impudencie to be denyed Therefore by these Protestants The present Romane Church must be allowed to be the true Church of Christ And all their former Inuectiues against it and their departeing from it by their owne Iudgments must be recanted CHAPTER III. WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these Protestants that the Pope of Rome euer was and now lawfully is and ought so to be esteemed the supreame pastor and heade on earth of the whole Church of Christ of his sentence and Authoritie FROM hence it is euidently proued That the Pope of Rome is supreame heade of the true Church of Christ for seeing these Protestants haue tolde vs that true Regiment and discipline is a note of the true Church of Christ and thus it appeareth that the Church of Rome is this true Churehe and hath this note of true Regiment the supreame bindeing and commaundinge Authoritie of the Pope being the cheefest of that gouernment is therein concluded Likewise it so followeth by their note of true doctrine wherein they haue graunted the Church of Rome constantly persisteth in all things necessarie and essentiall such as this
Question of the Popes prerogatiue and highest Iuridicall power is for as it followeth in these mens Iudgments if the Pope is not supreame heade and Ruler of the true Church of Christ then that societie that so accepteth him is not the true Church So if it be proued that hee is the highest supreame pastor and vicar of Christ in earthe That Church which so receaueth him and no other is the true Church of Christ For to be supreame gouernor of the true Churche and the true Church so to be gouerned ar mutuall and vnseparable Correlatyues as a Kinge and Kingedome Lord and Seruant and the like And this with that which is entreated in the former chapter might suffice in this controuersie But to giue all contentment I will proue it more in particular and first argue thus That Church which is the Mother and consequently commaundeing Church ouer all Churches her children hath supreame authoritie ouer them otherwise no Mother nor commaunder ouer all But the Church of Rome is this Mother and commaunding Church Therefore it hath supreame authoritie ouer all Therefore the Pope highest Pastor in it is this supreame Ruler and Commaunder Bothe propositions be proued by Protestants before and so nothinge remayneth doubtfull Further I argue in this order No societie or companie wanteing one supreame and cheefe Pastor ouer the rest to suppresse Scismes and auoide factions can be the true Church of God whose communion all men ar bownde to embrace followe her directions and rest in her Iudgment But all Protestant companies societies and Congregations want this cheefe Ruleâ— and commaunder and the Church of Rome onely enioyeth it Therefore no Assembly or societie of Protestants but onely the Church of Rome is the true Church of Christ The Maior though it be euident before yett thus it also is proued and confirmed againe by these Protestants teacheing that from the begynninge this supreamacie was in one D. Feild writeth thus Tertullian saith rightly Feild l. 4. c. 2. pag. 196. and apâ—ly what was hidden and concealed from Peter on whome Christ promised to builde his Churche D. Sutcliffe speaketh more plainely in these Sutcliffe sub pag. 40. words Tertullian giueth the keyes onely to Peter saying that the Church is built vppon him And to proue that this prerogatiue fownded in thiâ— cheife Apostle first Bishop of Rome was to continue to his successors D. Downame saith that in the primatiue Churche Downame l. 1. Antich p. 36. Titles of honor and prâ—eminence were giuen to the Churche of Rome as the cheife or head of the Churches Further D. Feild citeth and approueth this sayinge of S. Hierome Ecclâ—siâ—salâ—â— Hieron contra Lucifer in summi sacâ—rdotis dignitaâ—â— peâ—deâ— cui si non exors quaedam ab omnibu◠〈◊〉 deâ—â—â— poâ—esâ—aâ— tot in ecclesia efficientur scismata quot sacerdotes The health of the Church dependeth on the dignitie of the highest Preist to whome except an extraordinary and eminent power be giuen by all men there will be so many scismes where the wordes Church highest Preist and of all demonstrate that hee speaketh of the whole Churche vniuersall for those words cannot be applyed to any particular Church Againe D. Couell hath these words The twelue were not like to agree except there had beene one cheife amongst them for saith S. Hierome amongst the twelue one was therefore chosen that a cheefe being appointed occasion of dissention might be preuented Which neither S. Hierosme D. Couell or any other Couell ag the plea of the Innoc. pag. 107. Catholicke or Protestant could suspect amonge the Apostles confirmed in grace that any mortall or damnable dissention could fall amonge them Therefore this appointing of one to be cheife amonge the Apostles and him that was to be our first Bishop of Rome S. Peter it must needs be for a continuall Rule and lawe for the Vniuersall Church for euer And yett if wee would be maliciously enuious to the Apostles priuiledge in grace if in that speciall time of the grace and fauour of God The supreamacie of one aboue all was so necessarie that otherwise schismes which be more properly against the whole Church and heade thereof then against any particular Church wantinge such supreame authoritie to be disobeyed could not then he otherwise preuented it must needs be much more necessarie in the continuance and later ages of the Church as shall be proued from these Protestants in the next Argument in the meane time for this poynt D. Couell writeth in this order wee easely see Couell against the plea of the Innocent pag. 106. that equalitte doth breede factions and therefore wisemen to suppresse the seeds of dissentions haue made one aboue the rest And better to cleare this doubt by these Protestants I will heare repeate againe what their Protestant Relator hath written in this matter vtterly disablinge the Protestants Religion and commending Relation of Religion c. 47. the Church of Rome his words be these The Protestants ar seuered bands or rather scattered troupes eache draweing diuers way without any meanes to pacifie their quarrells to take vpp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a Common superintendance or care of their Churches for respondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a generall Councell of their parte the onely hope remayninge to asswadge their contentions The other haue the Pope as a Common Father Aduiser and conductor to them all to reconcile their â—arâ—â— to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all things to drawe their Religion by consent of councells to vnitie Hitherto this Protestant writer where D. Feild may plainely see that those three things wherein hee teacheath the vnitie of the Church consisteth cannot in the Iudgment of his fellowe Protestants be mayntayned without this one supreame and commaundeing pastor and authoritie in the Churche of Christ My next Argument is thus whatsoeuer Regiment Supremacie and Gouernment of the Church was ordayned by Christ in his time and was as muche or more necessarie to remayne and continue in it for future and succeedeing ages is still to be allowed and continued But the Supreame Regiment and commaundeing Iurisdiction of one highest spirituall Pastor and Gouernor is such Therefore still to be allowed and continued The Maior proposition is euidently true for Christs ordinance aboue all things is to be obserued and notheing so necessarie to his Churche may be without damnation omitted The Minor proposition is thus proued by these wordes of D. Couell that followe Because in the execution of holy things where the parsons Couell against the plea of the Innocent pag. 106. putt in trust are but men discord and disorder vsually doe breake in the wisedome of God thought it necessarie that amongst them whoe for their Ministery were equall an Inequalitie for Order and Superioritie to commaunde should be graunted that by this meanes Order and vnion should both
be preserued in Christs Church Which of it concerne all persons and ages in the Churche of Christ as suerly it doth the gouernment must not cease with the Apostles where it is euident that Christ amonge his Apostles instituted in one an Authoritie and Superioritie to commaund and without this one commaundeing superioritie vnion and order could not be preserued that it concerneth all parsons and ages and so must neuer cease but enduer for euer which is all I contende to proue for all Protestants want it and onely the Romane Church enioyeth it And further the same Protestants Doctor proueth this spirituall supreamacie of one Pastor to be perpetuall because now in these times of scisme dissentions there is more neede of that commaundeing superioritie And yett saith hee it was the principall meanes to preuent scismes and dissentions in the Couell sup pag. 207. primatiue Churche when the graces of God were farr mâ—re aboundant and eminent then now they ar nay if the twelue were not like to agree excâ—pt there had bâ—â—ne one châ—ife amongst them for saith S. Hierome amongst the twelue one was therefore chosen that a cheife beinge appoinâ—â—d occasion of dissention might be prâ—uâ—â—â—ed And as in the same place hee thus argueth against the puritans Presbiâ—â—ry how can they thinke that equalitie would keepe all the Pastoâ—s of the world in vnitiâ— So I say to all Protestants they cannot with reason thinke that so many equall Regiments and Rulers in Religion as they make in their distinct Prouinces and Churches if the world were of their Religion could ouer agree to which the lamentable experience of their miserable dissentions and errors allreadie for want of one supreame Commaunder and not otherwise to be redressed as the Protestant Relator hath Relat. sup written before doth testifie Which absurditie and moste vnsufferable inconuenience for want of such commaunding power D. Couell setteth downe in these words seeing Couell sup pag. 107. that all men may easely erre and that no errors ar so daungerous as those which concerne Religion the Church should be in a farre worse case then the meanest Common wealth nay all moste then a denne of Theeues if it were destituâ—e of meanes eyther to conuince Heresies or suppresse them Which cannot be done as they playnely confesse by any power in their Church not by any authoritie as they write but by a Generall Feild Cowncell and a supreame Commaunder to call it which they want and as their Relator telleth vs can neuer haue it Further Relation I argue thus That Churche which as the Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury wittnesseth Abbot ag Hill pag. 189. by tradition of the auncient was the seate of S. Peter the highest and supreame pastor in the Church as D. Feild and D. Couell before haue allowed from S. Hierome and Tertullian and D. Sutcliffe Sutcliff subt pag. 40. thus citeth and writeth Tertullian giueth the keyes onely to Peter sayeing that the Church is built on him And thus hee testifieth for himself Peter preached in no place but hee there ordayned Sup. pag. 3. Bishops and teachers and fownded Churches Which in his booke against D. Kellison hee Sutel against Kell pag. 105. maketh an Argument of supreamacie And which as the same Protestant Archbishopp citeth from S. Leo and Prosper greate Doctors and Saincts was by Religion supreame heade of the worlde This Church I say must needs be Abb. sup pag. 189. 190. cheife and supreame But the Churche of Rome is that Church as is euident and appeareth by these Protestants in those their places cited Therefore it is and so ought by Protestants to be honored and obeyed Both propositions be affirmed by Protestants before and so notheinge in this Argument remayneth to be further proued Next I suppose what D. Feild writeth of the greate and patriarchall Churches of Gracia Armenia Aethiopia Russia neuer subiect or inferior vnto any except to the Church of Rome as Catholicks holde teacheing that to be supreame his words of those Churches be these Wee conclude therefore Feild l. 3. c. 5. pag. 7â— that their scismes and seperations ar sinfull wicked and daungerous and their errors inexcusable And concerninge scisme hee thus defineth it Scisme is a breache of the vnitie of the Church That supposed and that scisme which is Feild sup pag 70. contempt of authoritie is a kinde of disobedience which allwayes is against a Superior and one higher in dignitie and commaunde I argue thus Whatsoeuer Church is that to which and against which all patriarchall Churches excepting one clayminge to be highest ar in scisme and disobedience is supreame and of highest authoritie But this is the Church of Rome Therfore that is supreame The Maior proposition is euident otherwise those Churches against D. Feilds words before could not be scismaticall nor possiblie could be in scisme which hee saith is a breach of the vnitie of the Church and must needs be a contempt of superioritie The Minor is manifestly true for by D. Feild before the other patriarchall sees besides Rome ar in scisme and no other Church but the Romane Church was extant in the worlde besides them at the time of their scisme and longe after neither any other then did or now doth clayme superioritie ouer them Therefore that alone is supreame otherwise those Churches not resisting superioritie cannot be in scisme against D. Feild his graunt before related Feild sup l. 3. c. 5. pag. 70. Further for my next Argument the same D. Feilds hath these words Scisme is a breach of the vnitie of the Church The vnitie of the Churche consisteth in three things first the subiection of people to their lawfull Pastors secondly the connexion and communion which many particular Churches and the Pastors of them haue amonge themselues thirdly in holdinge the same rule of faithe This supposed which as it confirmeth the former argument for all these things required to the vnitie of the Churche so necessarie to be preserued must needs imply a supreame authorite So it giueth matter of an other Argument in this maner Whatsoeuer doctrine and power in the Church is so necessary that without it neyther all nor any of these vnities absolutely needfull can be preserued is to be graunted But one supreame spirituall commaundeing Ruler and the doctrine thereof is such Therefore one supreame gouernor and doctrine according is to be allowed The Maior proposition is euidently Relation of Relig supr cap. 47. true by D. Feild and other Protestants otherwise nothinge can be scisme nothinge can be heresie The Minor proposition is directly proued before by the Protestant Relator twice allreadie cited where hee expressely teacheth that without one such supreame preeminence of Iuridiction aboue the rest which hee saith all Protestants want and Catholicks haue quarrells cannot be pacified vnitie kept controuersies decided and consequently neither Scisme nor Heresie condemned Againe thus I argue whatsoeuer the Church of Rome claymed or
there bounds there were three principall Bishops or Patriarkes of the Christian Churche namely the Bishop of Rome Alexandria and Antioche After which time Constantinople before named Bizantium made greate by Constantine and being the seate of the Emperors the Bishops of this See not onely obtayned to haue the dignitie of a Patriarche amonge the rest but in the second generall Counâ—â—ll holden at Constantinople was preferred before bothe the other of Alexandria and Antioche and sett in degree of honor next vnto the Bishop of Rome Hitherto See D. Feild l. 4. c. 5. pag. 202. clearely allowtâ—e Popes sentence to be greatest next to a generall Councell It is cited in the next chapter D. Feild by which discourse of his there is euident demonstration made that the priuiledge of the Bishop of Rome was not giuen him by generall Councells but hee had it before the first Nicene Councell the first generall Secondly that it was the moste principall that was in the Christian Church for of the twoe moste principall Churches â—atine and Greeke to vse his words the Latine the moste principall was vnder him thirdly hee was from the begynninge preferred before the Patriarches of Alexandria and Antioche and Constantinople in so much that for Constantinople claymeing after to be cheefe hee calleth it a pretended Title Feild sup pag 62. and false and further his words of the Bishops of Constantinople be these The mognificence and glorie of his citie dayly encreaseinge hee challenged to be superior and would be namâ—d vniuersall B. not challengeing to himself to be B. alone but enchroacheinge vppon the Right of all other and thereby declareinge Himself greater and more honorable then any of the rest and the cheife Bishop of the whole worlde Hitherto his words of the encreacheing and vsurpation of that Bishop Then by his sentence the Pope of Rome still was cheife and obtayned by right the primacie in the whole Christian Church And this cheefnes and primacie as D. Couell hath told before must needs be supreamacie for no other could haue it and D. Downame alsoe hath acknowledged Down l. 1. Ant. pag. 36. that both the Emperor and generall Councell attributed to the Pope of Rome in the primatiue Church to be heade of the Churche the greatest stile in his Iudgment and it must needs be if as it is amonge all members of the bodie the heade is cheife supreame and most excellent Lett vs add to this twoe sentences of D. Feild the one concerninge the authoritie of Traditions in these words There is no reason why traditions or vnwritten verities should not be made equall Feild pag. 238. with the words precepts and doctrines of Christ the Apostles and Pastors of the Church left vnto vs in writeinge if they could proue any such vnwritten verities for it is not the writeinge that giueth things their authoritie But the worthe and creditt of him that deliuereth them though by word and lyuely voyce onely And after delyuering three Rules Feild pag. 242. how to knowe certaynely these so authorized traditions and vnwritten verities hee speaketh in this maner The third Rule is the constant testimonie of the Pastors of an Apostolicall Churche succeedeingly deliuered To which some add the present Testimonye of any Apostolicall Churche whose declynings when they began wee cannot precisely tell Hitherto the words of this Protestant Doctor of the authoritie of traditions equall to scriptures being proued by this his Rule Then if the opinion of these some his Protestants by his maner of argueinge teacheing that the present testimonie of an Apostolicke Church is sufficient Rule to proue true traditions of so high authoritie not onely this Catholique doctrine of the Popes supreamacie and commaunding power but all other doctrines taught against these Protestants of necessitie must needs be true by this Rule for they all being the doctrines of the present Church of Rome the first and principall Apostolicke Church must needs be iustified by the Testimonie of an Apostolicke Church at this present when they ar taught by it And this is sufficient for my purpose for so that some Protestants be of this opinion it is as much as I request and doe not desire or expect D. Feilds voyce or an harmony of Protestants neuer yett agreeing well in any thinge to be all of one mynde in this matter But to vrdge this particular question in hand of the Popes supreamacie by that Rule of traditions which hee alloweth which is The constant testimonie of the Pastors of an Apostolicke Churche succeedingly deliuered It is proued by these Protestants before that the Pastors of that greatest Apostolicke Church euen from the Apostle S. Peter haue succeedingly claymed taught decreed exercised and executed that highest power of supreamacie in all parts of the knowne worlde And yett for further proofe of my Minor proposition Mr. Powell writeth of these holy primatiue Powell l. 1. Antichrist pag. 230. 231. Popes followeing in this maner Calixtus Pope defined that all Bishops thoughe gathered in a generall Councell shall fullfill the will of the Churche of Rome They which doe not this ar pronownced of Pope Pelagius to keepe a Conciliable and not a Councell And againe in these wordes Powell sap pag. 240. Pope Damasus wrote that it is not lawfull for the Bishopps to doe any thinge against the decrees of the Bishops of Rome Therefore by these Protestants The Pope of Rome of right is and of all ought to be acknowledged and admitted for the supreame heade and Ruler of the Church of Christ And this being thus vnuincibly proued by these English Protestants themselues our mortall enemyes and persecutors I conclude with their owne words graunted before vppon such triall and conuiction That the Pope and the Offer of Conference pag. 16. Church of Rome and in them God and Christ Iesus himself haue had greate wronge and Indignitie offered vnto them in that they ar reiected and that all the Protestant Churches arre scismaticastin forsakeinge vnitie and communion with them Which D. Feild must alsoe Iustifie affirminge as Feild l. 4. c. 5. pag. 202. shall be cited at lardge in the next chapter that the Iudgment of the Pope of Rome or Church of Rome is one of the greatest in this world and as greate disobedience to resist or deny it which is euident alsoe before but more of it hereafter Now lett vs come to the New Protestants historie it self maliciously by their Bishops published against the Church of Rome First entreateing of the conuersion of this kingedome to the faith of Christ they sett downe this marginall supposition in these Theater of the Empire of greate Britanie pag. 203. cap. 9. n. 5. wordes Saint Peter the Apostle supposed to haue preached in Britaine And further write as followeth To which vncontrolable testimonie some others haue added that Saint Peter the Apostle preached the worde of life in this Iland as to other gentils hee did for whome God had
embrace doctrine for this whole Kingdome were so renowned for constancie pietie and learninge and all this in their confessed puer time of Christianitie I will recite what doctrine in this poynt of Popes supreamacye they approued and receaued there for this and all nations to followe and obserue In the third Canon of this Concil Sardic can 3. their greate Councell it is thus decreed Bishop Osius said if any Bishop shall be iudged in an other cause and hee thinketh hee hath a Good cause that a Councell should be called againe if it please you lett vs honor the memorie of S. Peter the Apostle that they which haue examined the cause may write to Iulius Bishop of Rome and if hee shall adiudge that Iudgment is to be renewed lett it be renewed and lett him appoint Iudges but if hee shall allowe the cause to be such that the things that ar done shall not be examined againe such things as hee shall decree shall be confirmed Doth this please you all The Councell answeareth it pleaseth vs. Therefore all now in England ought to be pleased with the supreamacie of that highest See and appeales vnto it The 4. and next Canon Can. 4. sup immediatly beginneth thus Bishop Gandentius said lett it be added if you please to this sentence full of sanctitie that when any Bishop shall be deposed by the Iudgment of those Bishops that be in the places neare And hee shall demaunde to haue his busines handled in the citie of Rome that after his appeale no Bishop be ordeyned in his chaire that was thought to be deposed except his cause shall be determined in the Iudgment of the Bishop of Rome The 7. Canon declareth it to be in the Can. 7. sup Popes power to send a latere Iudges in such causes into any contry notwitstandeing any sentence of other Bishops And as these primatiue Bishops of this Kingedome with that learned and Holy assemble of that generall Councell receaued and approued that supreame power in the Pope of Rome so hee by these Ptotestants testimonie euer practized it in this nation For besides that which is written before they vse these words Celestine Pope of Rome sent his Archdeacon Palladius into Brittaine to withstand Theater lib. 4. cap. 1. pag. 138. n. 22. the Pelagian Heresie whoe at one time did driue out these enemyes of grace and ordayned a Bishop amonge the Scots whereby that Barbarous nation â—mbrâ—ced Christianitic This they cite and approue from Prosper Aquitan And againe in this maner Pelagius by birth a brittane by profession a Mouke by leude doctrine an Hereticke brought vp in the fame us Lib. 6. cap. 53. pag. 277. n. 10. monasterie of Bangor in Wales his Hereticall assertions were afterwards condemned by Innocentius the first Bishop of Rome Whose doctrines were 1. that man without the grace of God was able to fullfill all the commaundements 2 that man in himself had free will That the grace of God was giuen vnto vs according to out merits 4. That the Iust haue no synne 5. That children ar free from originall synne 6. That Adam should haue died though hee had not synned Concerninge the Towne of Stanford Lib. 1. cap. 31. pag. 59. n. 8. they make this relation from Ihon Hardinge it continued an vniuersitie vnto the comeing of Augustine at which time the Bishops of Rome interdicted it for certayne Heresies sprange vp amonge the Brittaines and Saxons They write futher thus Yorke hath challenged to haue beene sometime Pag. 6. n. 7. Metropolitane ouer all the Bishops in Scotland It was made equall in honor and power with Canterbury by Pope Gregory as Beda relateth and had twelue suffragan Bishopricks that owed obedience And againe Yorke was made a Metropolitane Pag. 78. n. 9. cittie by a pall sent vnto it from Honorius And to shew that the disposeing of these things was in the power of that highest See thus they testifie againe That Lichfeild was made an Lib. 1. cap. 3. pag. 6. n. 8. Archiepiscopall See by Pope Hadrian the first at the suite of Offa the greate Kinge of Mercia is manifested by Mathew of Westminister vnto whose IurisdictioÌ„ were assigned the Bishopricks of Winchester Hereford Leicester Siduacester Helinham and Dunwich Like were the condition of S. Dauids n. 6. 8. Dorchester by Oxford and others And to shew that these primatiue bishops were onely subiect to the Pope and no Prince in their spirituall proceedeings when the wicked Kinge Vortigern had put away his first lawfull Christian wife and maryed Rowena the daughter of Hengist a Pagan Theat l. 7. cap. 12. pag. 313. about the yeare of Christ 470 for declareing the remedie thereof they write in these wordes Which Pagan mariadge proued not onely the bane of the land but so ruinated the Church of Christianitie that a prouinciall Councell of the Brittaines was assembled in Ann. 470. to repaire those things that this mariadge had decayed Then Popes and not Princes by these Parker lib. antiq Britan nic pag. 329 Protestants euer had spirituall supreamacie in this Kingedome For their first Archbishop Parker An. 1536. writeth thus Potentia populis nongentis amplius Annu in Anglia durauit The power of the Pope continued in England aboue nyne hundred yeares And there ought to continue still as I haue made demonstration by these Protestants before to which I add this sentence of Isaac Casanbon ex oâ—e Isaac Casanb respons ad ep Cardinal pâ—r pag. 8. ipso ser Regis taken from the mouth it self of our moste syncere Kinge commaundeing him to committ it te writeinge and is as followeth Rebus ipsis probet Romanus pontifex lett the Pope of Rome proue by things themselues that hee doth not seeke his owne Pag. 67. supr but the glory of God immortall and the peace of people concord and saluation to be a care vnto him then our moste seâ—ene Kinge as hee hath longe since protested in his Admonitory epistle without delay primas illi deferet ipsumque 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 cum Gregorio Nazianzenâ— dicet non inuitus will giue primacie vnto him and not vnwillingely say with Gregorie Nazienzen that hee hath charge ouer the whole Church To which I answeare that I wish and I trust with more deuotion and Religion then hee That not onely Popes but other Princes spirituall and temporall Bishops Preists and all men in authoritie and others did more seeke the glorie of God then their owne and were more carefull of the peoples peace concord and saluation then they now ar or many were euen from the time of Christ Then so many disorders and Impieties should not haue so full dominion where Protestancie Ruleth and the scripture had neuer saide omnes quae sua sunt quaerunt non quâ— Iesu Christi all men or all sortes of men seeke the things that be their owne and not of Iesus Christ And it chargeth vs againe to obey Magistrats and men in
of our Lord himself The laste is to be an Interpreter and in that followeing the safest Rule to make an vndiuided vnitie of the truthe vncapable of contradiction to be a moste faithfull Couell sup pag. 34. expositor of his owne meaneinge And hee concludeth thus Wâ—e say that wee are taught to receaue the worde of God from the authoritie of the Churche wee see her iudgment wee heare her voice and in hâ—militie subscribe vnto all this Therefore beinge so proued before by these Protestants that the Church of Rome is the Church of Christ endowed with these priuiledges concerninge scriptures that the sentence of it by D. Feild before is more Feild l 4. c. 5. pag. 202. to be regarded then any they haue or can pretend and hath proposed all bookes for scripture which Catholicks receaue wee must obey it and the rather agreeing with the Greeke Church of which D. Feild writeth Feild pag. 71. l. 3. c. 5. thus wee accompt them in the number of the Churches of God Which that Church cannot be which proposeth adulterate and false scriptures for true and the vndoubted word of God The Minor proposition is also euidently true That all bookes which the Church of Rome receaueth for Holy scriptures as so proposed published and proued vnto vs by the true Church and that sentence which in this time is highest and to be obeyed as these Protestants haue written And so all things in this Argument ar euidently confessed for true by our Aduersaries Before my next argument I will cite the opinion of D. Doue Protestant Bishoppe of Peterboroughe in this matter that wee may playnely see where vppon Protestants denyeing so many bookes for canonicall scriptures which Catholicks receaue is grownded his wordes be these Catholicks Doue persuas pag. 15. proue them to be canonicall out of S. Augustine wee that they be Apochrypha out of S. Hierome both which Doctors are of no small authoritie with the Church of Rome And therefore in this wee differ no more from them then S. Hierome did from S. Augustine This supposed I argue thus from these Protestants Whatsoeuer doctrine was taught in the time of the primatiue Churche by a Bishoppe Sainct and Doctor of the Church in the Iudgment of Protestants farre the moste Learned Doctor that euer was or shall be in all likelyhood excepting the Apostles and this so constantly that this so worthie a man taught it to be the Common doctrine of the Churche of Christ in all probabilitie is more like to be true then that which doubtefully taught by an other Doctor of the same time who bothe as the same Protestants write delt vnchristianely and his authoritie in some other questions was not much worthe and in this also recalled his opinion or renownced it to be his meanening But the doctrine which Catholicks hold concerning canonicall scriptures is by the testimonie of Protetestants thus much more likely to be true and worthie to be beleeued then the contrary opinion of Protestants Therefore by Protestants it is more probable credible and worthie to be beleeued The Maior proposition in the proceedings of these Protestants by whome I dispute in this place is euidently true For amonge men learned in professions the Common maxime and reason is wee must beleeue euery one moste cunninge in his art and amonge men learned hee that is moste or more learned is to be credited before him that is supposed to be his inferior in learning And doctrine constantly taught not onely to be the doctrine of such a more or moste learned Father and Doctor and Sainct but further to be doctrine generally of Christs true Churche is of more creditt and more worthie to be beleeued then that which by a man supposed not so learned is either doubtfully or singularly taught or vncertaine whether it was so taught or if it were yet was recanted disclaymed or retracted by himselfe The second proposition concerning these two greate Doctors and their opinions in this point is thus proued by these Protestants D. Couâ—ll writeth of S. Augustine in Couell against Burges pag. 3. these termes Hee was farre the moste learned Doctor that euer was or shall be in all likelyhood except the Apostles And giueing the highest commendation hee could to S. Thomas Aquinâ—s our holy and learned schole-man hee Couell ag Burg. writeth thus By a Common prouerbe it was spoken that the soule of S. Augustine dwelt in Aquinas Concerning S. Hiâ—â—ome vppon whose Imagined opinion in this point they would hazard their whole Religion in their Iudgments alloweing onely the scriptures to be Iudges and grownds in other poynts they vse him in these termes Mr. Wottons Wotton def of perk 495. 500. 519. 520. words be Hieromes authoritie in the case of single life is not much worthe Hierome condemninge Iouinian delt vnchristianely with him The authoritie of Hierome concludeinge a worke of perfection from those words of Christ goe and sell all c. is not to be admitted Now let vs heare from these Protestants in what maner these two Doctors taught as this Protestants tell vs these two diuers doctrines one for Catholicks and the other for Protestants D. Feild writeinge of bookes which Catholicks admitt for canonicall and the Protestants refuse telleth vs that S. Augustine and the third Councell Feild pag. 248. l. 4. c. 23. pag. 246. of Carthage confirmed in the sixt generall Councell wherein Augustine was present and Innocentius Pope lyueing in that time seeme to add them to the Canon Then it seemeth by this Protestant testimonie that S. Augustines opinion approued in so greate a prouinciall Councell confirmed in a generall Councell the highest commaundeinge Iudgement by them before and by the Pope of the greatest Apostolicke See the seconde Iudge in the Christian world before in D. Feilds allowance especially in that best time when his Maiestie saith it was a Rule to all and constantly taught as the doctrine of the Church by this the greatest doctor that euer was or is like to be by these men is worthie to be credited and beleeued and by their doctrine before All men that will not be disobedient bothe in the seconde and first degree also ar bownde to embrace and followe it Now let vs heare what these Protestants will testifie of S. Hierome for their opinion in this Question of these bookes The Protestant Conference at Hampton court before Conference pag. 60. the Kinge entreateing of Protestants exceptions against these scriptures vseth these words Moste of the obiections made against those bookes were the olde Cauills of the Iewes renewed by S. Hiâ—rome in his time who was the first that gaue them that name of Apochrypha which opinion vppon Ruffinus his challendge hee after a sorte disclaymed the rather because a generall offence was taken at his speaches in that Kinde Hitherto the censure at that publicke Protestant Conference by which the Protestants grownde for deniall of those bookes of scripture and tearminge
thinke be plurall That whosoeuer by their Interpretations should allowe such absurdities cannot haue the true interpretation of scriptures Now the Minor is easely proued by him also for all men are bownde to obey lawfull superioritie and authoritie such as hee saith a generall Councell hath ouer all Christians in these cases his wordes before cited be these They that haue supreame Feild l. 4. â— 16. pag. 228. power that is the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpret the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gaynesay such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determination as they consent vppon to excommunication and Censures of like nature Wherefore seing generall Councells haue this bindeing and commaundeing power ouer all men by these Protestants and yet by their Article before may erre and haue Art 21. sup erred euen in things pertayning vnto God the whole Christian worlde with so many absurdities may be in this damnable error the Church might cease not be Catholicke Christ Feild pag. 203. should be without a Church which D. Feild before esteemeth greate absurdities Againe thus I argue They which straungely peruert bely depraue abuse and falsefye holy scriptures cannot be thought to be true interpreters of them But M. Parkes so testifieth of our Parkes ag lymbom def of the 1. 2. 3. testim English Protestants Therefore they cannot be thought to be true Interpreters of them Notheing remaineth in this Argument to be proued Further I argue thus No Interpreters or expositors of scripture whose Interpretations be partiall vntrue seditious sauoureing of Treason poysen the Ghospell c. are to be Iudged true and Iuridicall But the English Protestants hy their owne testimonyes be such Therefore not to be iudged true and iuridicall interpreters The Maior is true and euident And the Minor thus proued first by the Protestant Confer at Hampt pag. 47. conference in these wordes The notes annexed to the Geneua translation some are very partiall vntrue seditious and sauoureing toâ— much of daungerous and trayterous conceits Yet these were allowed and published as publicke and approued interpretations An other Protestant writeth in this maner The Bishops Aduerment An. 1604. notes betray our Lord and Redeemer and befoole the rocke of saluation they are the verie poyson to all the Ghospell M. Ormerod writeth thus of his fellowe Ormer pict purit q. 4. Protestants They fill the margents of their bookes full of places of scripture in a wronge sense that by this meanes they might more easely deceaue the simple people They neither care for Maior Minor nor Conclusion so they may say some thinge They point their margents with shamefull abuseing of scripture To these I might add more arguments as that by their owne testimonies they are Hereticks Scismaticks haue no ttue Churche no true Religion and the like as amonge other reasons from themselues why Catholiks may not communicate with them in spirituall and religeous affayres is proued in a late treatise against them I will therefore passe them ouer as allready proued CHAPTER VII WHEREIN BY THESE PROtestants is proued that vnwritten traditions lawfully proued are the word of God equally as the holy scriptures That many such are and all confirme the doctrine of the Church of Rome and condemne Protestants Religion AFTER this entreateinge of holy scriptures the written worde of God lett vs come to that parte of his sacred worde delyuered by traditions and vnwritten verities preserued and proposed to faithfull Christians by the holy spouse and Church of Christ whose Iudgment Rule and direction is so dignified aboue all Inferiour Iudgments by these Protestants before Concerninge the validitie and authoritie of truely proued traditions I argue thus All Rules Groundes and Authorities in matters of Religion that are equall with holy scriptures in the Iudgment of Protestants the highest Rule in such causes are â—eghely to be reuerenced and obeyed of all Christians But the holy traditions and vnwritten verities deliuered by Christ and Apostles being lawfully proued are of this nature Therefore to be reuerenced embraced and receaued The Maior proposition is euidently true for where there is absolute equalitie there is not inferioritie but paritie as is manifest in all equalities The Minor is thus proued in this maner first M. Wotton speakeing of such hath these Wotton def of Perk. pag. 405. pag. 436. supr words out of all question wee are bounde to keepe them and telleth vs that M. Perkins was of the same opinion D. Feild speaketh thus concerninge traditions In this question by tradition wee vnderstand such partes of Christian doctrine or Feild pag. 238. l. 4. cap. 20. discipline as were not written by them by whomâ— they were first deliuered For thus our Aduersaries vnderstand traditions which they diuide into diuers kindes First in respect of the authors so makeing them of three sortes Diuine Apostolicall and Ecclesiasticall Secondly in respect of the matter they concerne in which respect they make them to be of two sortes for either they concerne matters of faiâ—he or matters of manners and these later againe either temporall or perpetuall vniuersall or particular All these in their seuerall kindes they make equall with the words precepts and doctrines of Christ the Apostles and pastors of the Church left vnto vs in writeinge Neither is there any reason why they should not so doe if they could proue any such vnwritten verities For it is not the writeing that giueth things their authoritie but the worthe and credit of him that deliuereth them though by worde and lyuely voyce onely Thus the authoritie of Traditions is iustified by Protestants to be equall with the scriptures if they can be proued Now because Protestants mayntayneinge the sufficiencie of scripture for matters of faith deny traditions of that nature I argue in this maner All Articles and matters of faith are in Protestants Iudgment proued and deliuered to vs by tradition Therefore some articles and matters of faith are in their Iudgment or so must be graunted to be deliuered by tradition The consequence is euident for euery generall proposition includeth the particular The Antecedent is thus proued by them Whosoeuer doe graunte those things which by them conteyne all matters and Articles of faith to be delyuered by tradition must needs allowe traditions in matters of faith But these Protestants doe so Therefore they must allowe such traditions The Maior is euident for whatsoeuer conteineth all excludeth none and so comprehending all comprehendeth also some and the parts of that all The Minor is likewise proued in this maner supposeing the Common opinion of these Protestants set downe in the sixt Article of their Religion Articl of Relig. art 6. in these wordes Holy scripture conteyneth all things necessarie to saluation so that whatsoeuer iâ— not reade thâ—rein nor may be proued thereby is not to be required of any man that it should be beleeued as an Article of the
Wherefore the Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson D. â—orton his late â—ppeale with others of his Protestants graunte these propositions Bilson true diff pag. 66. 67. Morton Appeale pag. 286. The Canon of the primatiâ—e Church made euery thinge voide that was done without the Bishop of Rome And againe The Canon of the primatiue Church forbad any Councell to be called without his coâ—sent Which being onely peculiar to him and his See Apostolicke and from the begynning must proue a singular preeminence in him and a power supreame in deciding Matters and doubts of faith Therefore M. Ormerod wittnesseth that S. â—eo Ormer pict pa. pag. 44. Orm. sup pag. 78. that glorious Sainct and Doctor taught that God did assist and direct that See in decrees And further hee wittnesseth in these wordes To proue that the Church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all Churches Anacleâ—us liueing in the Apostles time and Pope of Rome alleadgeth Matth. 16. vers 18. vppon this rocke will I builde my Church and hee expowndeth it thus super hanc Petram id est super Ecolesiam Romanam vppon this rocke that is vppon the Church of Rome will I builde my Churche This of the testimonie of that Apostolicke Pope Sainct and Martyr And D. Downame graunted that Downame lib. â— Anâ—â—chr pag. 105. S. Augustine that renowned Doctor and Victor Vticensis were of opinion that to adhere to the Church of Rome was a Marke of a true Catholicke in those times And telleth vs further of a Pag. 107. sup Bishop fallen into Heresie and after recanting it in this order Hee sweareth to renownce his former Heresies and to professe and mayntaynâ— that faithe and Religion which the Bishoppe and Church of Rome did professe All which proceedings of so greate consequence and preeminencie testified by enemies themselues could neuer haue beene exercised by that Apostolicke See with so greate approbation of Saincts and Doctors in the primatiue Churche and best estate thereof except supreame authoritie euen in Councells themselues as those Canons testifie and peculiar assistance as S. Leo taught to be freed from error in decrees and consequently not to be condemned by generall Councells whome it was to confirme or reproue had beene graunted by Christ vnto it Then this priuiledge and prerogatiue of that Church Apostolicke being thus both supreame and perpetuall it may not now without Irreligeous Iniustice be denyed vnto it And therefore the Protestant Relator of Religion hauing as before excluded his fellowe Protestants from all hope of comforte and releife by generall Councell addeth immediatly of Catholicks in Relation cap. 47. sup these wordes The other haue the Pope as a Commom Father Aduiser and Conductor to all to reconcile their Iarres to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all things to drawe their Religion by Consent of Councells vnitie And that this Iurisdiction of the See of Rome is not onely ouer the Catholicke and truely beleeuing members of the Romane Church but of right belongeth vnto it ouer all Christians in the worlde is proued before by these Protestants themselues Cap. 3. sup Further I argue thus whatsoeuer Councells define or confirme the doctrine of the Romane Churche and condemne Protestant opinions defended against it are to be saide to proue the Religion of Catholicks But diuers Councells bothe allowed by Protestants for generall and others in the primatiue Churche and confirmed euen in the Iudgment of Protestants are such Therefore the Religion of the Romane Church is proued by them The Maior proposition is euidently true And the Minor thus is proued first concerninge the first generall Councell of Nice D. Couell Couell ag Burg. pag. 87. hath told vs before from S. Hierome that it receaued more bookes for scripture then Protestants allowe M. Middleton saith it Middlet papistan pag. 39. taught the dignitie of Rome ouer the West prouinces at the leaste and this by olde custome How much more ample this custome was is proued before and himself sufficiently insinuateth speaking in this maner Papias Pag. 200. sup liueing in the Apostles time taught Peters primacie and Romish episcopalitie And D. Downame denieth not but the greate generall Down l. 1. Antich pag. 36. Councell of Calcedon attributed to the Pope of Rome to be heade of the Church Which hee saith is the greatest stile D. Feild before hath wittnessed that the third Councell of Carthage confirmed Feild sup in the sixt generall Councell and wherein S. Augustine was present receaueth canonicall scriptures as the Church of Rome now doth D. Willet perceauing Willâ—t Antil pag. 88. 89. the primatiue Councells to be so cleare for the Church of Rome that hee could not glosse them with any resemblance or colour of truthe calleth the auncient confirmed Councells of Neocesarea and Toletane the first and the sixt generall Councell before expressely allowed by D. Sutcliffe the papall Church popery doctrine in popery And of the seuenth generall Councell hee writeth thus The Greekes in a Willet sup pag. 178. Middlet papist pag. 193. generall Councell held at Nice confirmed and allowed the adoration of Images M. Middleton speaketh in this maner peruseing Councells Fathers and stories from the Apostles forâ—ward wee finde the print of the Popes feete So that it is euident by them that from the very begynning the doctrine of the Church of Rome as occasion was is allowed both by Councells Fathers and Histories And this is the reason why in their Article of Religion Artic. 21. before they haue thus defined generall Councells may erre and some times haue erred euen in things pertayninge vnto God Because from time to time as cause was giuen they haue defined the truthe of the doctrine of the Romane Church against them And because I may not in this breuiate repeate many particulars breefely I argue thus Diuers Councells allowed by these Protestants for generall Councells haue confirmed and allowed all or the cheefest doctrines which the Romane Church now teacheath against Protestants and condemned the contrary held by them euen by their owne testimonie Therefore by their owne Iudgment they are for the Romane Church and not for them The consequence is euident and the Antecedent is thus proued by them The Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury writeth thus The Councell of Constance was a generall Councell D. Abbot ag D. Kill pag. 38. 48. 49. 51. Bilson Willet apud Parkes pag. 137. 180. So their Protestant Bishop D. Bilson and affirmeth the same of the Councell of Basile So doth Doctor Willet and graunteth the same of the Councell of Florence And yet it is euident to all the worlde that in these Councells the compleate bodie of their Protestant Religion was condemned in their predecessors Iohn Wickliffe Iohn Husse and Hierome of prage and the quite contrary in all things decreed and concluded for the Churche of Rome For further confirmation whereof the Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury hath these words the Councell
triall of Doctrine is not to be fetched from the opinions and examples of men And agayne It may not seeme straunge if superstition were crept into the Church before Constantines time M. Ormerod scoffeth Ormerod pict pag. 78. at the authoritie and testimonie of S. Anacletus Pope of Rome that liued in the Apostles time and was a glorious Martyr for Christ because hee proueth the supreamacie Middleton papistem pag. 200. of the See of Rome from the graunt of our Sauiour M. Middleton doth the like by Papias lyueing with the Apostles for the same doctrine M. Hull condemneth for like causes allmoste all the blessed Popes Hull Rom. pol. and Martyrs Bishops of Rome from S. Peter the Apostle with in the first foure hundred yeares as shall be cited hereafter D. Couell before hath stiled S. Augustine with Part. 2. cap. Ceremonies Wotton def of perk pag. 8. pag. 17. 9. 88. the greatest commendation of learninge yet M. Wotton writeth Wee neede not feare S. Augustine though against vs. Eusebius is to be reprehended There was want of modestie and truthe also in the treatise of Hierome against Vigilantius The auntieÌ„t Fathers spake more like philosophers then dyuines It is more then I knowe that Gregory is a Sainct The Author of the Epistle to the Philippians attributed to S. Ignatius is an vnfitt Iudge in Wotton sup pag. 118. 224. 422. 440. 462. controuersies of diuinitie Tertullians wittnesse is of small authoritie Damascen is not greately to be respected Oâ—igen is generally condemned Ignatius epistle to the Romanes approued by S. Hierome and Protestants also is a counterfaite Ignatius for Pag. 340 Pag. 387. Pag. 467. Pag. 494. Pag. 495. teaching meritt of good workes Ciprian is toe farre caryed away since hee ascribeth to almes daes the purgeing of sinne Irenaus Iudgement is little to be respected Tertullians testimonie is not worthe answeareinge Tertullian and Origen may be ioyned together Chrisostoms Rhetoricke is better then his Pag. 499. Logicke Hieroms authoritie in case of single life is not murch worth Those Christian Fathers which condemned Pag. 500. Iouinian as S. Augustine Ambrose Hierome c. delt vnchristianly with him The Pag. 519. Pag. 520. authoritie of the auntient writers Athanasius Augustine Hierome concludeinge a worke of perfection from those wordes of Christ goe sell all c. is Pag. 543. not to be admitted The authoritie of Clement of Alexandria and Augustine with the schoole Doctors is inferior to the Iewes Origen and Theodoret whome before hee preferreth before S. Pag. 545. 546. 584. 594. Augustine ouerthrowe their owne distinction Lactantius though hee were an auntient Christian yett in his verses of worshipping the Crosse hee sheweth himself liker a light Poet then a graue writer And as hee hath vsed all the learned Fathers of the primatiue Churche for teacheing the doctrine of the present Church of Rome so he exclameth as barbarously and vndutifully against all Christian Kings of this and other nations for the same cause his wordes be these The Wotton def of perk pag. 53. Ormer pict pag. 44. Kings of England and Scottland c. were Sathanes Souldiers when they were of the Popes Religion M. Ormerod disalloweth S. Leo because hee taught that God assisted the See of Rome in decres For the like reason D. Downame reiected the authoritie of many holy Popes and Martyrs of that Church in her best dayes when it was a Rule to all accordinge to his Maiesties Censure Down lib. 1. Antichr cap. 3. pag. 35. 36. because to vse his wordes Diuers Bishops of Rome before the time of Socrates the Historian contented to haue the primacie ouer all other Churches and that is the cheife scope of many of their epistles decretall Yet this was as our Kinge Conference at Hampt pag. 75. Perk. problem pag. 4. hath told vs when it was a Rule to all and when no man might seperate himself from the doctrine of that Churche M. Perkins hath written thus The Fathers haue spoken many things incommodiously of holy thinges The auncient Fathers did Pag. 93. 94. Pag. 105. Pag. 184. synne in the Inuocation of Saincts yea were guiltie of sacriledge such were Paulinus Fortunatus S. Leo S. Ephrem S. Fulgentius Petrus Damianus Prosper The auncient Fathers sometimes speake inconueniently of the Article of Iustification Some of the auntient Fathers as Tertullian and Cyprian are Montanists or at the leaste doe erre filthely for making Confirmation a Sacrament D. Sutcliffe Sutel subu pag. 5. Pag. 8. Pag. 9. Whoe before made so much shewe of reuerence to the Fathers writeth thus Metaphrastes is a lyeinge pedant writeinge more lyes then leaues Bede reporteth to many thinges by heareasy Ado is a fabulous writer The Historie of Kinge Lucius his conuersion testified by so many authorities Pag. 19. May well be parogoned with the tales of Kinge Arthure Sir Tristram and Lancelot Duâ—acke The Brittaynes haue cause to detest the memorie of Augustine That holy Sainct syrnamed the Apostle of our nation for conuertinge iâ— M. Ormerod is not onely at defiance with Ormer paganop pag. 44. all Fathers for teaching that Christ descended to comforte the Patriarkes and Fathers deade before him but compareth the Article and beleefe of Christs descending into Hell for such purpose to the fable of Hercules fayned to goe thither and fetche from thence Theseus Peâ—ithous and Cerberus the greate dogge of Hell with three heades as the poets Imagine M. Middleton Middleton papistom pag. 40. writeth thus The credit of men is but a sandy foundatiâ—n to builde vpon Meaninge the holy primatiue Fathers of the Church and scoffingly telling that greate Sainct and Pag. 27. Doctor S. Epiphanius that hee loste the booke of Pag. 45. the Apostles Constitutions out of his bosome which hee cited Haeres 45. hee addeth of him thus I must craue leaue to say of Epiphanius many assertions hee counted for Heresies which were not Heresies many assertions hee counted not Heresies which are Heresies And all this because hee condemneth diuers Protestant opinions of Heresie and iustifieth the doctrine of the Church of Rome against them Against S. Middleton sup pag. 49. Dionysius the Areopagite for teaching prayer for the deade hee scoffeth in this maner Denys his aunsweare is shortheeld readie to fall backe When S. Ambrose approueth Christs reall presence in the blessed Sacrament and Transsubstantiation hee writeth of him thus Pag. 61. Pag. 64. hee is gultie of presumptuous and desperate blasphemye At S. Chrisostome hee scoffeth and teacheth him how hee should speake because hee teacheth the doctrine of prayer for the deade And vseth this mocke against him callinge Pag. 66. sup it an apostolicall Tradition well might Chrysostome say the Apostles knew what profite redownded to the deade by prayer for them for himself knew not And thus in generall The Fathers sometime went beyonde the boundes of sobrietie in the doctrine Middlet sup Pag.
their owne writings and authorities published allowed or receaued amonge them since the beginning of the Raigne of our Soueraigne Kinge Iames in England That in all the cheefest Controuersies of this time in particular The doctrine of the present Church of Rome is onely orthodoxe Catholicke and true And the Contrary of these Protestants erroneous Hereticall and damnable Here endeth the first part of the generall grownds in Religion and ensueth the second of the particular Questions betweene Catholicks and Protestant of England THE SECOND PART OF ENGLISH PROTESTANTS RECANTATION IN MATTERS OF RELIGION CHAPTER I. WHEREIN BY THE PRESENT English Protestant writers is proued against Protestants and their doctrine That the predestination of particular men cannot without particular Reuelation be certaynely knowne much lesse as a matter of faith AS amonge all Questions of Religion the eternall predestination of men to be saued being from eternitie in God can haue none before it in duration So in order lett vs first entreate and begin from thence how fare and certainely it may be knowne of particular mens preordination to glorie in this worlde The holy Councell of Trent aduertising all men with S. Paule to worke their saluation with feare and trembling hath thus defined of Philipp 2. v. 12. Conc. Trid. sess 6. can 12. this secrett So longe as wee lyue in this mortalitie no man ought so much to presume of the hidden misterie of Gods Predestination that he certainely determine himself to be in the number of the predestinate as though it were true that hee which is iustified could either syn no more or if hee shall syn ought to promise to himself a certaine Amendement for except by speciall reuelation it cannot be knowne whom God hath chosen The like doctrine it concludeth against the predestinaries of Can. 15. 16. sup this time in the 15. and 16. canons of the same session The contradictorie of which Catholicke position hath beene so fare and generally defended by Protestants That it is as the See cap. 2. infra principall and cheefest grownde of their Religion That as a man is iustified by faith so this faith is that which assureth him that hee is iust in grace and fauour with God that hee cannot at the leaste finally or totally fall from grace And so consequently that hee knoweth as a matter of faith that hee is both iust and predestinate as will sufficiently appeare in the next chapter by English Protestants synce his maiesties entrance into England the short time which I haue limited to dispute against them by themselues what inconueniences abuses and iniquities this inuention hath brought into the world will in some sort appeare in this chapter by their owne writeings and is so much knowne to all men by lamentable experience that I neede not to repeate it in this place Wherefore I will onely confute this Protestant opinion by the present English Protestant writers and thereby demonstrate the Catholicke doctrine of the cited sacred Councell to be moste true and religious in this point euen by their sentence Then first concerning this proposition I argue thus No doctrine or opinion which is a desperate doctrine contrarie to diuinitie and to the true doctrine of predestination is or can be the true doctrine in this question But the predestinarie Protestant doctrine with assurednes of faith without particular reuelation that a man shall be saued is thus desperate contrarie to diuinitie and to the true doctrine of predestination Therefore it neither is nor can be the true doctrine To deny the Maior or first proposition is blasphemie because God infinite and immutable wisedome cannot possibly commaunde or reueale for truth any such error Therefore the first proposition being euidently true The Minor or second proposition is authoritatyuely with English Protestants concluded against this predestinarie opinion in the publicke Protestant Conference at Hampton Court before his Conference at Hampton court pag. 29. Maiestie and with his allowance in these words Verie manie in these dayes neglecting holines of life presume too much of persisting in grace layeing all their Religion vppon predestination If I shall be saued I shall be saued which is a dâ—sperate doctrine contrarie to good diuinitie and the true doctrine of predestination wherein wee should reason rather asceÌ„dendo then disceÌ„dendo thus I liue in obedience to God in loue my neighbour I followe my vocation c. Therefore I trust that God hath elected and predestinated mee to saluation Hitherto the consent of this English Protestant Conference from whence it is manifest that no certanitie much lesse by faith but onely a morall trust or hope according to the good life of man can be had without reuelation that wee are predestinate Secondely supposing which with the scriptures all Protestants graunt that without grace by Christ and persisting in it no man can be saued I Argue thus No man that is vncertaine whether hee sall fall from grace can be certaine with certanitie of faith that hee is predestinate or shall be saued But without particular Reuelation all men Protestants and others be vncertaine whether they shall fall from grace Therefore no man without particular reuelation is or can be certaine hee is predestinate The Maior proposition is certainely true And his Maiestie in the same cited Protestant Assembly citeing the place of S. Paule before related against the certainerie of predestination concludeth the Minor or second proposition thus Wee may full from grace Conference at Hampton sup pag. 30. and addeth the doctrine of predestination should be handled with greate discretion which hee insinuateth the Protestants haue not done and speaketh plainely of them in these words The Inferring of the necessitie of standing and persisting in grace is a desperate presumption The like is taught more at lardge in other places of that conference where it is also Confer sup pag. 41. 42. 43. acknowledged that present Iustification or iustice is loste by any mortall or greuous syn which to be frequently committed by Protestants will appeare hereafter by their owne testimonies My third Argument is this No doctrine that is pestilent and scandalous to all Churches is or can be true doctrine But this predestinarie doctrine is such Therefore neither is nor can be true The Maior Relation of Religion cap. 45. is euident The Minor is proued by the Protestant Relator of Religion whoe telleth vs that ProtestaÌ„ts in Germanie will rather returne to the Church of Rome then admitt this Protestant point of doctrine which they call predestinarie pestilence and addeth that this with some others Cap. 48. of their opinions hath exceedeingly scandalized all other Churches My fourth Argument is this Nothing that is not reuealed of God can be beleeued with certaintie of faith or with faith But particular mens predestination is not reuealed of God Therefore it cannot be by faith beleeued The first proposition is euidently true because Gods reuelation or to be reuealed of him is the formall
languadges Latine and Greeke with the Hebrue beeing the learned tonges of the world and the Hebrues and Iewes especially in Iury for the moste part remayninge in incredulitie The learned and religeous Conuerters of contries to Christ often not vnderstandinge their barbarous languadges but preaching and persuading by Interpretors yett vseing a publicke Liturgie Masse or church seruice could neither practize it for themselues or frame it for others in their tonges vnknowne Of which D. Sutcliffe giueth vs a fitt domesticall example of this nation English his words of S. Augustine coming hither from S. Gregorie Pope of Rome to conuert vs are these comming alsoe into Kent hee was not Sutcliff Feb. Pag. 19. able to speake one worde of English nor to preache vnlesse it were by his Interpretor And yett hee doth and must needs acknowledge that S. Augustine vsed a publicke Liturgie and seruice which could be none in any equall Iudgment but that which was vsed in Rome hee brought from thence And in no wise English for this hee must either find among the Infidells which could not bee or els to be composed by him or his associats or by them translated which cannot be Imagined they neither as before vnderstanding our languadge to compose it for the Inhabitants or vse it for themselues But this they haue confessed before Againe thus I argue Such church seruice masse or liturgie and in such tonge as was sunge in the citie of Constantinople it self the cheefe citie of Greece and in the time of a generall Councell and yett not in Greeke may with as good reason or more be now vsed in England or any such nation But the latine Masse was then and there sunge Therefore it may bee still vsed in England and other nations The Maior is euident for by no probabilitie the commaunding citie of Greece and of the christian world at that time and a generall Councell there and then assembled would haue allowed a publicke absurditie in ReligioÌ„ hauing so much more shew of authoritie to reprehend and correct euen by Protestants sentence then they haue The Minor is proued by M Hull in these words Latine Masse was sunge at the sixt Synode Hull Romes polecies Pag. 83. at Constantinople in the yeare 666. Thirdly thus I argue all that allowe of the publicke church seruice in a straunge and barbarous tonge to people not vnderstanding ought in al reason rather to allowe it in the latine a learned and common tonge to all learned in this part of the world But the English Protestants allowe of the church seruice in such a barbarous tonge vnknowne Therefore by much more reason they must approue of the publicke seruice in the Latine tonge which allwayes the Preist and cheefest Auditors doe vnderstand The Maior cannot bee denied And the Minor is thus proued from D. Doue a Protestant Doue persuas pag. 24. Bishop in these words In Wales their mother tonge is welche in Cornewall cornish in Ireland Irish yett in all these places the publicke seruice is reade in English And yett hee will neuer proue nor with all his Protestants take such paynes in catechizing that the Ignorant people in those Prouinces those that most neede instruction will euer bee able to vnderstand the English seruice vsed among them or other more shorte and familiar things in our languadge so straunge vnto the. Fourthly supposing as often is proued before the primatiue Church and practize thereof to bee a warrant vnto vs as also that which no Protestant can deny the priuiledges of the Latine Church to bee at the leaste equal with the Greeke and that which all experience and obseruation by lyuing among Greeks and Romanes proueth that the present vulgare Greeke languadge common in Greece is altogether different from that learned tonge of Greece vsed in the primatiue Church with the holy Fathers of that Church in those times as S. Basile S. Chrisostome and such others thus I argue The present Greeke Church allowed for the true Church before by Protestants puâ—lickly vseth the Masses of S. Basile S. Chrisostome c. Which the common Grecians doe not vnderstand Therefore the Contries vnder the Latine Church may vse their auncient Latine Masses and Liturgies The consequence is not to bee denied And the Antecedent is proued from the Protestant Relator who speaking of the custome of the Greeke Church hath these words Their Liturgies bee Relation cap. 53. or 54. the same that in the olde time namely S. Basils S. Chrisostomes and S. Gregories translated without any bending of them to that chaunge of languadge which their tonge hath suffered Lastely in this point supposing the mayne graunde of Protestants against Latine seruice to bee because so the vulgare and ignorant not vnderstanding it remayne without due Instruction as they pretend I argue thus That Church whether it is the Catholicke or the Protestant which by confession and graunte of the opposites and Aduersaries doth much more duely truely and diligently instructe and catechise yong people and the ignorant both by word and writing in their knowne and common languadge then the other doth is not to bee condemned either of negligence or vnskillfulnes in this busines But the present Church of Rome by Protestants testimonie is in this case Therefore not to bee condemned The Maior is euident and the Minor proued from the same Relator of Religion who speaking of Catholick Preists vseth these words They bee of excellencie for pietie and reuerence Relation cap. 27. sup towards God zeale towards the truthe of loue towards this people which euen with teares they can often testifie they match their aduersaries Protestants in the best and in the rest farr exceede them And further to the same of Protestants and honour of our Religion thus hee writeth For bookes of prayer and pietie all Contryes are Cap. 27. sup full of them at this day in their owne languadge Their opposites Protestants by their weakenes and coldnes are enforced to take their bookes to supply theirs And againe in this maner Such is their diligence and Cap. 28. sup dexteritie in instructing that euen the Protestants themselues in some places send their sonnes to their scholes vppon desire to haue them proue excellent in those arts they teache This order hath alsoe their solemne catechizinge in their churches on sondayes and holydayes for all youth that will come or can bee drawne vnto it But this point of their scholes in instructing youth is thought of such moment by men of wisedome and Iudgment beeing taught so by very experience and triall thereof that the planting of a good Colledge of Iesuites in any place is esteemed the onely suer way to replant that Religion and in time to eate out the contrary Hitherto this Protestant Relator to his owne and his Associats shame and confusion in this cause And so I end his Questions hoping that himself with others of his so confounded Religion will vppon this so great satisfaction conforme
ensue Transsubstantiation the Sacrifice of Masse worshipping of Imadges Iustification by workes the supreamacie of the Pope prohibition of Marriadge in the cleargie which hee calleth the grossest points of popery Hee addeth also an equalitie of Bishops onoly approueth the Hebrue scripture Iustification by faith and disliketh free will These bee all their Exceptions neither doth the Booke of Articles of their Religion make mention of any other much materiall except Sacraments whereof hereafter then either such as I haue allreadie handled or bee comprised in these Cataloges Allthough all in these remembred are not the doctrine of the Parlament Protestant Church of England But Additions and new Inuentions of particular Puritanes as D. Willets Hebrue scriptures equalitie of Bishops c. In which excepting that which I haue spoken of the scriptures before consonant to the Councell of Trent I must leaue him to bee censured as a periured man hauing sworne to their Articles by their owne Religion lawes and proceedings For the rest most of them bee proued by themselues before as Popes supremacie Indulgences Imadges Iustification by workes or inherent Iustice not onely by faith and free will All the others I am now to examine And first of Transsubstantiation and Christs reall presence in the blessed Eucharist Because it comprehendeth as well this maner of Christs presence and a true Sacrifice as they all graunt vppon proofe of that veritie as the question also of D. Sutcliffs termed half communion For if Christ bee substantially truly and wholly present in both kinds Then it is not an half but whole communion and receauing of Christ for hee must needs bee equally receaued and participated vnder the one as vnder boâ—h kindes and formes according D. Thom. 3. p q. 80. ar 3. Gabr. lect 84. Ric. d. 11. Caiet 3. p. q 3. ar 3. Sot d 12. q. 1. ar 12. pet Sot lect 20. Euchar Lâ—des Claud. de Saincts Ruard alij to the common opinion of schooles aswell longe before the Councell of Constance as after teaching that no more fruite is communicated and giuen to the Receauers and Communicants by both then by one kinde this supposed I Argue thus in this Question Whatsoeuer doctrine the highest binding authoritatiue and commaunding Iudgment which by these Protestants before is a generall Councell hath determined defined concluded is to bee embraced and mayntained But the doctrine of Christs reall presence and Transsubstantiation is such Therefore to bee embraced and maintayned The Maior is euident and often graunted by many of these Protestants among whome D. Feild writeth thus The Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpret Feild l. 4. c. 16. the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gayne say such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and censures of like nature The Minor is also proued Couell defof Hook pag. 21 Parkes against Limbom pag. 176. Tom. â— CoÌ„cil in Concil Later Bergam hist an 1213. Genebr hist an 1215. Palmer Floren. chron an 1215. Concil Lateran cap. 1. by them directly in this maner for first both D. Couell and M. Parkes cite and allow the Councell of Laterane as a Rule of faith And hauing present in it the Patriarkes of Greece Constantinople and Hierusalem 70. Metropolitanes 400. Bishops and other Fathers aboue 800. together with the Legates both of the Greeke and Romane Empire with the Orators of the Kings of Hierusalem Fraunce Spayne England so especially binding vs and Cyprus I trust the rest of them cannot deny it to bee generall if euer any was so termed this beeing farr the greatest that euer was in the worlde now that it defined Christs reall presence in the blessed Sacrament is euidently demonstrated by these expresse words of the Councell graunted by Protestants Verum Christi Corpus Sanguis in Sacramento altaris sub speciebus panis vini veraciter continetur transsubstantiatis pane in Corpus vino in Sanguinem potestate diuina The true bodie and blood of Christ is truely conteyned in the Sacrament of the altare vnder the formes of breade and wyne the breade beeing transsubstantiated into his bodie and the wine into his blood by the diuine power Therefore all English Protestants are Feild l. 4. c. 16. suppressed by D. Feilds sentence before from gayne saying it And to shew further that this was no new and straunge doctrine then first held and defined but of the auncient primatiue Fathers thus I argue againe in this question Whosoeuer held that there is in this Sacrament a conuersion mutation of one thinge into an other and not in shape but in nature that breade is made Christs bodie that the visible creatures are chaunged into the substance of Christs body blood c. Doe and must needs graunt transsubstantiation and Christs reall presence in the B. Sacrament But the auncient Fathers doe this Therefore they teach and graunt Transsubstantiation The Maior is euident those termes beeing equiualent with transsubstantiation and seme the verie same both in effect and name The Minor is proued by M. Perkins in these Perkins probl pag. 153. 154. words The Auncients when they speake of the supper haue many formes of speache which shew a conuersion Ambrose vseth the name of conuersion and the name of mutation Ciprian saith it is chaunged not in shape but in nature Origen saith that breade is made the body by prayer Gaudentius saith Christs bodie is made of breade and his blood of wyne Eusebius Emissenus saith that the Preist by secret power doth chaunge the visible creatures into the substance of Christs bodie and blood And that the breade doth passe into the nature of our Lords bodie Anselmes saith that the breads doth flitt into Christs bodie Fulbertus saith it is transfused Algerus saith it is transiected and transferred into Christs bodie Hitherto this Protestants words of those auncient Fathers doctrine in this point to which hee might haue added many more and more conuincing But hee knew these too many and manifest against them as appeareth by this his friuolous glosse vppon their expresse sentences confounding and confuting himself in his owne words which bee these But the Auncient Doctors where they speake of the conuersion and chaunge of the breade they vnderstand the chaunge of the vse and condition not of the substance What man but impudent and voide of all shame and grace would Father vppon so many holy and renowned Learned Fathers so grosse equiuocation or rather flatt lyinge to speake one thinge and meane an other as hee speaketh and this in so cheefe and materiall article of Faith and Religion wherein not the least equiuocation may bee vsed if it could saue the life of thousands or millions of men And to confound this Sacramentarie by his owne fellowes First D. Feild Feild pag. 150. writeth thus The bodie of Christ is present in and with the sanctified Elements The primatiue Church
of hande is Diuinae ordinationis and de iure diuino The ordinance of God and by his diuine lawe From which doctrine graunted by them in so publicke assemblie one of their owne fellowes in Religion inferreth this conclusion in these termes If the English Protestants opinion bee maintained Certaine coÌ„s pag. 46. that Bishops Iurisdiction is de iure diuino his Maiestie and all the Nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication Neither do I vrdge these Protestants Authorities The Authors inteÌ„t and meaning by prouing seuen SacrameÌ„ts by Protestants how to bee vnderstood either for this or the other Sacraments that I seeme to graunt vnto Protestants that number of seuen Sacraments to bee among them to whome as to other Hereticks of any other now want a true and lawfull succession in orders as they do I can onely allow two Sacraments Baptisme and Marriage whereof the first for the necessitie thereof may bee in such cases of extremitie as this Inundation of heresie is not onely bee administred by Hereticks but Infidells themselues retayning the true matter forme and Intention due in that holy Sacrament And the other of Matrimony not requiring as of the essence thereof the operation of the Preist Yett do I not graunt the grace of this Sacrament to any Protestant or other out of vnitie of the Catholicke Church out of which as there is no saluation so no grace to bee hoped for bringing men to eternall beatitude But seeing this number of seuen Sacraments hath beene so much Impugned by Protestants and denied by them to bee in the true Catholicke Church which before I haue proued the present Church of Rome to bee I haue now made demostration by them selues that by their owne proceedings they ought to allow this number vnto the Church of Rome And now I proceede in like maner to Matrimonie and Extreame vnction and in the first I argue thus That which hath an externall or visible Matrimonie a Sacrament by English ProtestaÌ„ts signe or Ceremonie instituted of God signifying or giuing grace and sanctification is an holy estate honorable representing the grace of vnion betweene Christ and his Church is a Sacrament But Matrimonie is such therefore a Sacrament The Maior consisteth of the Protestant definition of a Sacrament wholly conteyning it and more them Protestants require vnto it and so cannot by them bee denied The Minor is proued by their owne publike directorie where in the treatise intituled The forme of solemnization of Comm. Booke tit Matrim §. dearely c. Matrimonie it is called in these termes Holy Matrimonie an honorable estate instituted of God signifying vnto vs the mysticall vnion which is betweene Christ and his Church which holy estate Christ adorned and bewtified with his presence and first miracle And in an other place it is named holy wedlocke §. For asmuch c. To which purpose tendeth also that their prayer ouer those that bee married in these words God the father God the sonne God the Sup. §. God c. holy Ghost blesse preserue and keepe you the Lord mercifully with his fauour looke vppon you and so fill you with all spirituall benediction and grace Againe thus I argue That externall visible ceremonie or signe that is consecrated of God to such an excellent misterie as to signifie the spirituall Marriadge betwixt Christ and his Church and by the grace and bonde whereof men are bound to loue their wyues as their owne bodies to leaue Father and Mother to whome by nature wee are so much bownde and to bee but one fleesh with his wiffe c. must needs bee a Sacrament But Matrimonie is such by Protestants of England Therefore by them to bee esteemed a Sacrament The Maior is manifestly true in it self And the Minor in those §. ô God §. all yee which words and more expressely to proue it a Sacrament sett downe in that their publicke directorie in the places here cited And had not the licentious wantonnes of these men soe much for their ownc lasciuiousnes mayntayninge Marriadge and accomptinge it an holy state in those of the cleargie in whom the holy Fathers before name it incest sacriledge and matter of excommunication disliked of the inseperabilitie betweene man and wife which beeing graunted for a Sacrament it bringeth with it they would neuer haue denyed vnto it that dignitie and denomination To which soe often and many pluralities of wiues in their ministry it self and some Protestant Bishops amonge them vntill a little restraint was ordayned by his Maiestie in parlament are more then The Sacrament of Extreame vnction Iacob 5. v. 14. 15. sufficient testimonie in this case That Extreame-Vnction is a Sacrament by their Articles and S. Iames his doctryne in his epistle â—eceaued by them for canonicall is more then manifest And soe manifest that except credible Protestant Testimonies deceaue mee greater Protestant Authoritie hath soe graunted then these their Doctors may contradict In which I will bee silent and onely add in this place that their Communion Booke it self and their common doctrine conteyned in their Catechisme there set downe to bee beleeued of all sufficiently insinuate that either there be seuen Sacraments as Catholicks beleeue or at the leaste more then two accordinge to their Article doctrine before For in proceedinge dialoguewise by question and answeare their words be these Question How CommunioÌ„ Booke Tit. Catechisme many Sacraments hath Christ ordeyned in his Church Answeare two onely as generally necessary to saluation that is to say Baptisme and the supper of the Lorde Where the words generally and necessary to saluation do emply that there be others not generally to be receaued of all as Matrimony is peculiar to the marryed Orders to cleargie men c. neyther are these absolute necessary to saluation otherwise the vnmaryed and virgyns could not bee saued all women which are vncapable of preisthood should be damned and none but cleargie men saued c. And these Protestants doe not holde that those words generally necessary to saluation are essentiall to the definition of a Sacrament which they define in the next words followeinge in this maner By this word Sacrament I meane an Catechis supr outward and visible signe of an Inward and spirituall grace giuen vnto vs ordeyned by Christ himself as a meanes whereby wee receaue the same and a pledge to assure vs thereof Which aswell proueth the Catholick doctryne that Sacraments giue grace of which hereafter as also that which I haue vrged in this place CHAPTER XX. PROVING BY THESE PROtestants the Catholicke doctrine of an Indeleble Character in the Sacraments of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders CONCERNING the Catholicke doctrine of the Church of Rome teaching a spirituall Character to bee impressed in some of these Sacraments and hitherto denyed by Protestants The Councell of Trent hath thus defined In three Sacraments Baptisme Confirmation CoÌ„cil TrideÌ„t Sess 7. cap. 4. and Orders a Character is