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B11734 The vnreasonablenesse of the separation Made apparant, by an examination of Mr. Iohnsons pretended reasons, published an. 1608. Wherby hee laboureth to iustifie his schisme from the church assemblies of England. Bradshaw, William, 1571-1618.; Ames, William, 1576-1633. Manudicition for Mr. Robinson. 1614 (1614) STC 3532; ESTC S113892 55,662 116

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therefore_o hear_v their_o ministry_n under_o coler_n of_o learn_v the_o truth_n because_o in_o yield_n to_o receive_v and_o hear_v it_o from_o antichrist_n ministry_n they_o defile_v the_o temple_n of_o god_n and_o become_v the_o subject_n of_o antichrist_n pag._n 75._o ans_fw-fr where_o he_o again_o take_v it_o as_o matter_n that_o must_v whether_o we_o will_v or_o no_o be_v grant_v unto_o he_o that_o our_o ministry_n be_v antichrist_n ministry_n which_o need_v no_o other_o answer_n then_o before_o yet_o thus_o much_o further_o 1._o that_o no_o ministry_n whatsoever_o so_o far_o forth_o as_o it_o teach_v the_o truth_n of_o christ_n especial_o a_o truth_n opposite_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o antichrist_n be_v the_o ministry_n of_o antichrist_n and_o those_o which_o shall_v submit_v and_o subject_v themselves_o unto_o any_o ministry_n whatsoever_o only_o so_o far_o forth_o as_o they_o minister_v and_o teach_v such_o truth_n can_v therein_o be_v say_v to_o defile_v the_o temple_n of_o 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