convictive_a where_o be_v your_o argument_n from_o the_o long_o stand_v of_o episcopacy_n the_o other_o thing_n which_o he_o refer_v to_o their_o more_o proper_a place_n we_o shall_v expect_v there_o only_o for_o his_o confident_a challenge_n he_o make_v to_o we_o to_o name_v any_o man_n in_o this_o nation_n that_o have_v contradict_v episcopacy_n till_o this_o present_a age_n 45._o we_o must_v put_v he_o in_o remembrance_n that_o in_o his_o remonstrance_n his_o word_n be_v unto_o this_o present_a day_n which_o unless_o he_o will_v have_v recourse_n to_o his_o trope_n be_v more_o than_o this_o age_n if_o by_o this_o age_n he_o mean_v this_o last_o century_n but_o let_v it_o be_v this_o age_n we_o can_v produce_v instance_n of_o some_o and_o that_o long_a before_o this_o age_n in_o this_o kingdom_n that_o have_v contradict_v episcopacy_n and_o our_o instance_n shall_v not_o be_v mean_v that_o bless_a man_n wickliff_n age_n ago_o do_v judge_v there_o ought_v only_o to_o be_v two_o order_n of_o minister_n 2._o and_o who_o these_o be_v he_o express_v in_o the_o follow_a word_n diaconos_fw-la viz._n presbyter_n and_o deacon_n if_o there_o be_v but_o two_o order_n of_o minister_n in_o the_o church_n presbyter_n and_o deacon_n then_o where_o be_v your_o sacred_a order_n of_o episcopacy_n and_o if_o wickliff_n deny_v the_o be_v of_o that_o order_n do_v he_o not_o contradict_v it_o in_o the_o follow_a page_n he_o say_v pauli_n etc._n etc._n that_o in_o the_o time_n of_o paul_n two_o distinct_a order_n of_o clergy_n man_n be_v sufficient_a priest_n and_o deacon_n neither_o be_v there_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n any_o distinction_n of_o pope_n patriarch_n archbishop_n it_o be_v enough_o that_o there_o be_v presbyter_n and_o deacon_n so_o 205._o there_o be_v one_o in_o this_o nation_n who_o before_o this_o age_n contradict_v episcopacy_n of_o he_o also_o walsingham_n say_v that_o this_o be_v one_o of_o wickliffs_n error_n that_o every_o priest_n right_o ordain_v have_v sufficient_a power_n to_o administer_v all_o sacrament_n and_o consequent_o order_n and_o penance_n for_o they_o be_v then_o esteem_v sacrament_n consonant_a to_o this_o of_o wickliff_n be_v the_o judgement_n of_o john_n lambert_n martyreâ—_n who_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o article_n object_v against_o he_o say_v thus_o as_o touch_v priesthood_n in_o the_o primitive_a church_n when_o virtue_n bear_v as_o ancient_a doctor_n do_v deem_v and_o scripture_n in_o my_o opinion_n record_v the_o same_o most_o room_n there_o be_v no_o more_o officer_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n than_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n that_o it_o minister_n as_o witness_n beside_o scripture_n hierome_n full_o apert_o in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o the_o epistle_n of_o paul_n though_o these_o be_v but_o single_a man_n yet_o they_o be_v martyr_n therefore_o we_o hope_v their_o word_n will_v bear_v some_o weight_n we_o can_v tell_v you_o further_o that_o richardus_fw-la de_fw-la media_fw-la valla_n in_o 4._o sent._n dist._n 24._o quaest_n 2._o non_fw-la ordo_fw-la qui_fw-la est_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la sed_fw-la potius_fw-la quaedam_fw-la ordinis_fw-la dignitas_fw-la episcopatus_fw-la dicendus_fw-la est_fw-la episcopacy_n be_v not_o to_o be_v call_v order_n but_o a_o kind_n of_o a_o dignity_n of_o a_o order_n 2._o guli_fw-la occam_fw-la anno_fw-la 1330_o quod_fw-la sacerdotes_fw-la omnes_fw-la cujuscunque_fw-la gradus_fw-la existant_fw-la sunt_fw-la aequalis_fw-la autoritatis_fw-la potestatis_fw-la &_o jurisdictionis_fw-la institutione_n christi_fw-la sed_fw-la caesaris_fw-la institutione_n papam_fw-la esse_fw-la superiorem_fw-la qui_fw-la etiam_fw-la potest_fw-la hoc_fw-la revocare_fw-la that_o all_o priest_n of_o whatsoever_o degree_n they_o be_v be_v of_o equal_a authority_n power_n and_o jurisdiction_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n but_o by_o caesar_n institution_n the_o pope_n be_v the_o superior_a who_o may_v also_o recall_v this_o we_o can_v tell_v you_o further_o of_o one_o gualther_n mapes_n a_o man_n who_o history_n record_v famous_a for_o learning_n who_o flourish_v in_o the_o year_n 1210_o that_o write_v many_o book_n among_o the_o rest_n one_o call_v a_o complaint_n against_o bishop_n 61._o another_o against_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o court._n another_o to_o the_o wicked_a prelate_n in_o which_o he_o call_v the_o pope_n plutonem_fw-la &_o asinum_fw-la prelate_n animalia_fw-la bruta_fw-la &_o stercora_fw-la whether_o this_o man_n do_v contradict_v episcopacy_n or_o no_o let_v themselves_o judge_v but_o we_o be_v sure_a if_o any_o man_n a_o few_o year_n ago_o shall_v have_v so_o write_v or_o speak_v it_o have_v be_v a_o crime_n next_o lâ—sae_fw-la majestatis_fw-la we_o can_v tell_v they_o of_o many_o more_o but_o the_o remonstrant_n desire_v but_o to_o name_v any_o one_o we_o hope_v we_o shall_v indifferent_o well_o satisfy_v his_o desire_n by_o that_o time_n we_o have_v mention_v one_o more_o robert_z longland_n a_o scholar_n of_o wickliffs_n who_o put_v forth_o a_o book_n in_o english_a call_v the_o ploughman_n dream_n which_o end_v thus_o god_n save_o the_o king_n and_o speed_n the_o plough_n and_o send_v the_o prelate_n care_v enough_o enough_o enough_o enough_o enough_o if_o single_a instance_n will_v not_o serve_v the_o turn_n we_o can_v give_v instance_n of_o a_o combination_n of_o learned_a and_o godly_a man_n in_o oxford_n who_o be_v call_v in_o question_n before_o the_o king_n 960._o and_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o kingdom_n be_v condemn_v to_o be_v stigmatise_v and_o banish_v the_o kingdom_n the_o fatal_a punishment_n of_o the_o adversary_n of_o episcopacy_n for_o say_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o whore_n of_o babylon_n the_o barren_a figtree_n that_o god_n have_v curse_v and_o for_o say_v non_fw-la obediendum_fw-la esse_fw-la papae_fw-la &_o episcopis_fw-la that_o neither_o pope_n nor_o bishop_n be_v to_o be_v obey_v if_o this_o be_v not_o enough_o we_o can_v produce_v the_o combination_n of_o the_o whole_a kingdom_n anno_fw-la 1537_o somewhat_o above_o a_o age_n ago_o out_o of_o a_o book_n call_v the_o institution_n of_o a_o christian_a man_n make_v by_o the_o whole_a clergy_n in_o their_o provincial_n synod_n set_v forth_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o king_n majesty_n and_o approve_v by_o the_o whole_a parliament_n and_o command_v to_o be_v preach_v to_o the_o whole_a kingdom_n wherein_o speak_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o order_n it_o be_v say_v express_o that_o although_o the_o father_n of_o the_o succeed_a church_n after_o the_o apostle_n institute_v certain_a inferior_a degree_n of_o ministry_n yet_o the_o truth_n be_v episcoporun_n that_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n there_o be_v no_o mention_n make_v of_o any_o other_o degree_n or_o distinction_n in_o order_n but_o only_o of_o deacon_n or_o minister_n and_o presbyter_n or_o bishop_n and_o throughout_o the_o whole_a discourse_n make_v presbyter_n &_o bishop_n the_o same_o from_o whence_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o in_o that_o age_n the_o whole_a clergy_n know_v not_o any_o difference_n make_v by_o the_o scripture_n between_o presbyter_n and_o bishop_n and_o by_o this_o time_n we_o hope_v you_o have_v more_o than_o one_o in_o this_o kingdom_n who_o have_v contradict_v your_o episcopacy_n before_o this_o age_n and_o if_o we_o shall_v expatiate_v beyond_o the_o bound_n of_o this_o kingdom_n we_o may_v with_o ease_n produce_v not_o only_o testimony_n of_o schoolman_n but_o of_o other_o who_o acknowledge_v but_o two_o order_n in_o the_o ministry_n but_o see_v you_o require_v only_o home-born_a witness_n we_o will_v trouble_v you_o with_o no_o other_o and_o entreat_v you_o to_o make_v much_o of_o they_o only_o we_o shall_v entreat_v the_o reader_n to_o view_v to_o his_o abundant_a satisfaction_n doctor_n reinolds_n his_o epistle_n to_o sir_n francis_n knowl_n who_o show_v out_o of_o chrysostome_n hierom_n ambrose_n augustine_n theod._n primasius_n sedulius_n theophilact_fw-mi that_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n be_v all_o one_o in_o scripture_n and_o that_o aerius_n can_v be_v no_o more_o just_o condemn_v for_o heresy_n for_o hold_v bishop_n and_o presbyter_n to_o be_v all_o one_o than_o all_o those_o father_n with_o who_o agree_v say_v he_o oecumenius_n and_o anselm_n archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n and_o another_o anselm_n and_o gregory_n and_o gratian_n and_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v once_o enroll_v in_o the_o canon_n law_n for_o sound_n and_o catholic_a doctrine_n and_o thereupon_o teach_v by_o learned_a man_n he_o add_v further_a that_o it_o be_v unlikely_a that_o anselm_n shall_v have_v be_v canonize_v for_o a_o saint_n by_o the_o pope_n of_o rome_n and_o the_o other_o anselm_n and_o gregory_n so_o esteem_v in_o the_o pope_n library_n that_o gratian'ss_n work_n shall_v be_v allow_v so_o long_a time_n by_o so_o many_o pope_n for_o the_o golden_a fountain_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n if_o they_o have_v teach_v that_o for_o sound_a doctrine_n which_o by_o the_o whole_a church_n in_o her_o most_o flourish_a time_n be_v condemn_v for_o heresy_n and_o conclude_v that_o they_o
who_o have_v labour_v about_o the_o reformation_n of_o the_o church_n these_o five_o hundred_o year_n of_o who_o he_o name_v abundance_n have_v teach_v that_o all_o pastor_n be_v they_o intitulate_v bishop_n or_o priest_n have_v equal_a authority_n and_o power_n by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o by_o this_o the_o reader_n may_v know_v doctor_n reinolds_n his_o judgement_n concern_v episcopacy_n there_o be_v one_o thing_n more_o belong_v to_o this_o section_n as_o to_o the_o proper_a seat_n and_o that_o be_v the_o establishment_n which_o he_o seek_v to_o episcopacy_n from_o the_o law_n of_o the_o kingdom_n to_o which_o we_o have_v answer_v that_o law_n be_v repealable_a the_o parliament_n have_v a_o nomotheticall_a power_n he_o answers_z though_o law_n be_v repealable_a 46._o yet_o fundamental_a law_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o alteration_n upon_o personal_a abuse_n second_o that_o he_o speak_v not_o against_o a_o impossibility_n but_o a_o easiness_n of_o change_n which_o our_o guiltiness_n will_v willing_o overlook_v but_o consider_v we_o beseech_v you_o how_o fit_o be_v episcopal_a government_n make_v a_o piece_n of_o the_o fundamental_a law_n of_o the_o kingdom_n how_o do_v the_o kingdom_n then_o once_o stand_v without_o bishop_n as_o in_o the_o very_a page_n you_o have_v now_o to_o answer_v you_o may_v have_v see_v once_o it_o do_v for_o do_v not_o the_o marginal_a tell_v you_o from_o sir_n edward_n coke_n or_o rather_o from_o a_o act_n report_v by_o he_o in_o the_o 23_o year_n of_o edward_n the_o first_o that_o the_o holy_a church_n be_v found_v in_o the_o state_n of_o prelacy_n within_o the_o realm_n of_o england_n by_o the_o king_n and_o his_o progenitor_n which_o your_o guiltiness_n will_v needs_o overlook_v for_o fear_v you_o shall_v see_v that_o there_o be_v a_o king_n of_o this_o realm_n of_o england_n before_o there_o be_v a_o prelacy_n and_o how_o then_o be_v episcopacy_n one_o of_o the_o fundamental_o of_o the_o kingdom_n and_o whereas_o you_o say_v you_o speak_v only_o against_o a_o easiness_n of_o change_n read_v your_o word_n in_o the_o eighteen_o page_n of_o your_o remonstrance_n a_o man_n will_v think_v it_o be_v plea_n enough_o to_o challenge_v a_o reverend_a respect_n and_o a_o immunity_n from_o all_o thought_n of_o alteration_n be_v this_o to_o speak_v against_o a_o easiness_n or_o rather_o against_o a_o possibility_n of_o change_n for_o your_o conclusion_n that_o thing_n indifferent_a or_o good_a have_v by_o continuance_n and_o general_a approbation_n be_v well_o root_v in_o church_n and_o state_n may_v not_o upon_o light_a ground_n be_v pull_v up_o good_a sir_n never_o trouble_v yourself_o about_o such_o a_o indifferent_a thing_n as_o episcopacy_n be_v never_o fear_v but_o if_o episcopacy_n be_v root_v up_o it_o will_v be_v do_v by_o such_o hand_n as_o will_v not_o do_v it_o upon_o light_a ground_n sect_n v._o they_o that_o will_v defend_v the_o divine_a right_n of_o episcopacy_n derive_v the_o pedigree_n of_o it_o from_o no_o less_o than_o apostolical_a and_o in_o that_o right_n divine_a institution_n so_o do_v this_o remonstrant_a this_o we_o labour_v in_o this_o section_n to_o disprove_v and_o show_v that_o it_o may_v be_v say_v of_o our_o bishop_n as_o of_o those_o man_n ezra_n 62._o these_o man_n seek_v their_o register_n among_o those_o that_o be_v reckon_v by_o genealogy_n but_o they_o be_v not_o find_v therefore_o be_v they_o as_o pollute_v put_v from_o the_o priesthood_n for_o the_o bishop_n who_o pedigree_n be_v derive_v from_o the_o apostle_n be_v no_o other_o than_o presbyter_n this_o we_o evince_v by_o four_o medium_n out_o of_o scripture_n but_o insist_v only_o upon_o two_o the_o identity_n of_o their_o name_n and_o office_n before_o we_o come_v to_o the_o remonstrants_n answer_n we_o will_v mind_v the_o reader_n of_o what_o the_o remonstrant_a say_v that_o we_o have_v a_o better_a faculty_n at_o gather_v then_o at_o strew_v 128._o which_o if_o we_o have_v we_o shall_v here_o make_v good_a use_n of_o our_o faculty_n in_o gather_v the_o choice_a flower_n which_o himself_o have_v scatter_v yield_v unto_o we_o the_o main_a scripture_n ground_n whereby_o the_o patron_n of_o episcopacy_n have_v endeavour_v to_o uphold_v their_o cause_n for_o himself_o confess_v the_o bishop_n cause_n to_o be_v bad_a if_o it_o stand_v not_o by_o divine_a right_n and_o compare_v the_o leave_v of_o divine_a right_n 125._o and_o support_v themselves_o by_o the_o indulgence_n and_o munificence_n of_o religious_a prince_n 49._o unto_o the_o evil_a condition_n of_o such_o man_n who_o when_o god_n have_v withdraw_v himself_o make_v flesh_n their_o arm_n and_o whether_o himself_o have_v not_o surrender_v up_o this_o divine_a right_n judge_v by_o that_o which_o follow_v our_o main_a argument_n be_v that_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n in_o the_o original_a authority_n of_o scripture_n be_v the_o same_o he_o answer_v in_o the_o name_n of_o himself_o and_o his_o party_n 47._o this_o be_v in_o express_a term_n grant_v by_o we_o we_o argue_v it_o further_o that_o we_o never_o find_v in_o scripture_n any_o other_o order_n of_o ministry_n but_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n he_o answer_v brethren_n you_o may_v have_v spare_v to_o tell_v i_o that_o which_o i_o have_v tell_v you_o before_o and_o add_v that_o when_o we_o allege_v the_o apostle_n write_n for_o the_o identity_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n we_o oppose_v not_o his_o assertion_n 48._o because_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o monument_n of_o immediate_a succession_n to_o the_o apostolic_a time_n but_o we_o of_o the_o write_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o for_o the_o two_o other_o argument_n draw_v from_o the_o identity_n of_o the_o qualification_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n for_o their_o office_n and_o ordination_n to_o their_o office_n he_o answer_v ne_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d quidem_fw-la and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v not_o perceive_v how_o the_o remonstrant_a betray_v his_o own_o cause_n he_o deal_v like_o the_o fish_n sepia_n and_o cast_v out_o a_o great_a deal_n of_o black_a ink_n before_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o reader_n that_o so_o he_o may_v escape_v without_o observation_n but_o we_o will_v trace_v he_o and_o find_v he_o out_o where_o he_o think_v himself_o most_o secure_a for_o first_o he_o false_o quote_v our_o answer_n whereas_o we_o say_v that_o in_o original_a authority_n bishop_n &_o presbyter_n be_v the_o same_o he_o tell_v we_o we_o say_v that_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n go_v original_o for_o the_o same_o that_o be_v say_v he_o there_o be_v at_o first_o a_o plain_a identity_n in_o their_o denomination_n which_o two_o answer_n differ_v immane_a quantum_fw-la and_o yet_o howsoever_o this_o very_a identity_n of_o denomination_n in_o scripture_n be_v of_o no_o small_a consequence_n what_o ever_o the_o remonstrant_a make_v of_o it_o for_o the_o proper_a end_n of_o name_n be_v to_o distinguish_v thing_n according_a to_o the_o difference_n of_o their_o nature_n and_o the_o supreme_a wisdom_n of_o god_n be_v the_o imposer_n of_o these_o name_n who_o can_v neither_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o nature_n of_o these_o office_n nor_o mistake_v the_o proper_a end_n of_o the_o imposition_n of_o name_n nor_o want_v variety_n to_o express_v himself_o the_o argument_n take_v from_o the_o constant_a identity_n of_o denomination_n be_v not_o so_o contemptible_a as_o the_o remonstrant_a pretend_v especial_o consider_v that_o all_o the_o text_n bring_v to_o prove_v the_o identity_n of_o name_n prove_v as_o intrinsical_o the_o identity_n of_o office_n which_o we_o do_v clear_o manifest_a by_o that_o text_n titus_n 1._o 5_o 6_o 7._o where_o the_o apostle_n require_v presbyter_n to_o be_v thus_o and_o thus_o qualify_v render_v the_o reason_n because_o bishop_n must_v be_v so_o which_o argument_n will_v no_o way_n evince_v what_o the_o apostle_n intend_v if_o there_o be_v only_o a_o idenditie_n of_o name_n and_o not_o also_o of_o office_n and_o qualification_n when_o the_o name_n be_v the_o same_o and_o the_o office_n distinct_a who_o but_o one_o that_o care_v not_o what_o he_o affirm_v will_v infer_v the_o same_o office_n as_o a_o consequent_a from_o the_o identity_n of_o their_o name_n who_o will_v say_v that_o the_o property_n of_o the_o constellation_n call_v canis_n ought_v to_o be_v the_o same_o with_o the_o bruit_n creature_n so_o call_v because_o they_o have_v both_o one_o name_n and_o this_o we_o desire_v the_o reader_n to_o take_v the_o more_o notice_n of_o because_o the_o remonstrant_a pass_v it_o over_o in_o silence_n second_o the_o remonstrant_a seem_v to_o recant_v that_o which_o he_o have_v before_o grant_v &_o 48._o tell_v we_o that_o though_o in_o the_o apostolic_a epistle_n there_o be_v no_o nominal_a distinction_n of_o the_o title_n yet_o here_o be_v a_o real_a distinction_n and_o specification_n of_o the_o duty_n as_o we_o shall_v see_v in_o due_a place_n
tribunal_n to_o which_o you_o make_v such_o bold_a appeal_n the_o office_n we_o distribute_v into_o administer_a word_n and_o sacrament_n order_n and_o discipline_n for_o the_o first_o administer_a the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n 50._o this_o the_o remonstrant_a grant_n in_o common_a to_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n without_o any_o difference_n but_o what_o our_o distance_n make_v which_o exception_n we_o understand_v not_o unless_o your_o meaning_n be_v that_o bishop_n may_v preach_v as_o often_o and_o as_o seldom_o as_o they_o please_v and_o we_o must_v preach_v no_o often_o than_o they_o give_v we_o leave_v the_o quarrel_n as_o he_o make_v it_o we_o call_v it_o controversy_n lie_v especial_o in_o the_o power_n of_o ordination_n and_o jurisdiction_n which_o say_v we_o by_o divine_a authority_n be_v common_a to_o all_o presbyter_n which_o yet_o our_o bishop_n have_v impropriate_v to_o themselves_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o power_n of_o ordination_n be_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o presbyter_n we_o produce_v the_o 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o to_o this_o he_o answer_v nothing_o of_o his_o own_o only_o tell_v we_o in_o a_o hyperbole_n it_o have_v receive_v answer_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o he_o give_v but_o one_o and_o that_o borrow_v too_o from_o calvine_n who_o take_v presbyterium_fw-la of_o the_o office_n not_o of_o the_o person_n 51._o wherein_o say_v the_o remonstrant_a he_o follow_v the_o judgement_n of_o hierome_n primasius_n anselm_n haymo_n lyranus_fw-la erasmus_fw-la and_o other_o as_o bishop_n downham_n have_v show_v we_o do_v believe_v that_o this_o be_v borrow_v of_o bishop_n downham_n for_o have_v he_o consult_v with_o those_o author_n he_o may_v easy_o have_v see_v how_o little_o they_o favour_v that_o exposition_n for_o what_o say_v hierome_n who_o primasius_n follow_v in_o his_o very_a word_n prophetiae_fw-la gratiam_fw-la habebat_fw-la cum_fw-la ordinatione_fw-la episcopatus_fw-la do_v this_o prove_v that_o presbyterium_fw-la be_v there_o the_o name_n of_o the_o office_n if_o so_o you_o must_v grant_v episcopacy_n and_o presbytery_n to_o be_v the_o same_o office_n which_o be_v the_o very_a question_n but_o we_o will_v fain_o know_v why_o cum_fw-la ordinatione_fw-la presbyterii_fw-la or_o episcopatus_fw-la shall_v be_v understand_v rather_o of_o the_o office_n then_o of_o the_o person_n when_o in_o propriety_n of_o phrase_n if_o they_o have_v mean_v it_o of_o the_o office_n they_o will_v rather_o have_v say_v ordinatio_fw-la ad_fw-la episcopatum_fw-la then_o episcopatus_fw-la for_o anselm_n what_o say_v he_o impositionem_fw-la manuum_fw-la eam_fw-la dicit_fw-la quae_fw-la in_o ordinatione_fw-la ejus_fw-la facta_fw-la est_fw-la quae_fw-la manuum_fw-la impositio_fw-la fuit_fw-la presbyterii_fw-la quia_fw-la per_fw-la hanc_fw-la impositionem_fw-la accepit_fw-la presbyterium_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la episcopatum_fw-la vel_fw-la haec_fw-la impositio_fw-la manuum_fw-la fuit_fw-la presbyterii_fw-la qui_fw-la latinis_fw-la dicitur_fw-la senior_fw-la quia_fw-la ipse_fw-la apostolus_fw-la qui_fw-la juxta_fw-la hunc_fw-la sensum_fw-la presbyter_n intelligitur_fw-la imposuit_fw-la manus_fw-la svas_fw-la capâ—â—_n ejus_fw-la dum_fw-la illum_fw-la consecraret_fw-la episcopum_fw-la the_o comment_n be_v a_o sufficient_a confutation_n of_o itself_o for_o the_o first_o exposition_n wrack_v the_o text_n with_o a_o violent_a and_o unusual_a hyperbaton_n and_o therefore_o he_o recede_v from_o that_o and_o fall_v upon_o a_o second_o presbyterii_fw-la qui_fw-la dicitur_fw-la senior_fw-la quia_fw-la apostolus_fw-la ipse_fw-la etc._n etc._n now_o what_o a_o unlikely_a exposition_n be_v this_o what_o author_n can_v these_o follower_n of_o anselm_n produce_v whereinis_fw-la presbyterium_fw-la be_v call_v senior_n for_o those_o other_o lira_n haymo_n and_o erasmus_n we_o will_v oppose_v to_o they_o the_o father_n of_o the_o greek_a church_n who_o be_v likely_a to_o know_v best_a the_o genuine_a sense_n of_o the_o greek_a text._n the_o same_o doctor_n doâ—nham_n from_o who_o the_o defendant_n have_v borrow_v these_o interpretation_n tell_v he_o that_o chrysostome_n theodoret_n and_o other_o greek_a father_n understand_v it_o of_o the_o person_n and_o not_o of_o the_o office_n as_o for_o learned_a calvin_n in_o his_o institution_n we_o grant_v he_o understand_v it_o of_o the_o office_n yet_o in_o his_o comment_n wherein_o we_o may_v more_o just_o expect_v the_o full_a sense_n of_o the_o text_n he_o compare_v these_o two_o interpretation_n together_o and_o let_v any_o reader_n judge_n which_o he_o prefer_v presbyterium_fw-la qui_fw-la hic_fw-la collectâ—vum_fw-la nomen_fw-la esse_fw-la putant_fw-la pro_fw-la collegio_fw-la presbyterorum_fw-la posiâ—um_fw-la recte_fw-la sentiunt_fw-la meo_fw-la judicio_fw-la tametsi_fw-la omnibus_fw-la expensis_fw-la diversum_fw-la sensum_fw-la non_fw-la malè_fw-la quadrare_fw-la fateor_fw-la ut_fw-la sit_fw-la nomen_fw-la officii_fw-la ceremoniam_fw-la pro_fw-la ipso_fw-la actu_fw-la ordinationis_fw-la posuit_fw-la itaque_fw-la sensus_fw-la timotheum_n cum_fw-la prophetarum_fw-la voce_fw-la ascitus_fw-la fuit_fw-la in_o ministerium_fw-la &_o deinde_fw-la solemni_fw-la ritu_fw-la ordinatut_o simul_fw-la gratiâ_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sancti_fw-la instructum_fw-la fuisse_fw-la ad_fw-la functionem_fw-la svam_fw-la exequendam_fw-la now_o which_o sense_n do_v calvin_n prefer_v of_o that_o which_o we_o give_v he_o speak_v positive_o recte_fw-la sentiunt_fw-la of_o the_o other_o he_o only_o say_v non_fw-la malè_fw-la quadrat_fw-la and_o that_o this_o text_n must_v needs_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o person_n ordain_v and_o not_o of_o the_o office_n timothy_n be_v ordain_v too_o will_v appear_v by_o these_o reason_n for_o first_o it_o can_v stand_v with_o the_o signification_n of_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o office_n or_o dignity_n as_o learned_a critic_n observe_v be_v rather_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d then_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d nor_o can_v it_o well_o stand_v with_o the_o sense_n and_o construction_n of_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d what_o shall_v it_o be_v govern_v of_o will_v not_o any_o grammarian_n refer_v it_o to_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d immediate_o precede_v rather_o than_o to_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o which_o it_o be_v so_o far_a disjoined_n the_o word_n in_o the_o greek_a lie_n thus_o neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n that_o be_v in_o thou_o which_o be_v give_v thou_o by_o prophesy_v and_o the_o lay_v on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n now_o according_a to_o the_o sense_n the_o remonstrant_a strive_v for_o it_o be_v thus_o neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n of_o the_o office_n of_o the_o presbytery_n which_o be_v give_v thou_o by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n bishop_n downham_n himself_o without_o the_o bold_a foist_v in_o to_o use_v the_o remonstrants_n word_n of_o a_o parenthesis_n into_o the_o text_n can_v make_v this_o interpretation_n good_a we_o think_v we_o have_v sufficient_o prove_v this_o interpretation_n in_o our_o answer_n by_o produce_v all_o the_o text_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n in_o which_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v use_v and_o show_v that_o in_o they_o it_o signify_v the_o person_n and_o not_o the_o office_n and_o several_a text_n out_o of_o hierom_n ignatius_n &_o council_n ancyr_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n the_o father_n and_o counsel_n he_o be_v willing_a to_o pass_v by_o in_o silence_n the_o scripture_n he_o peck_v at_o and_o tell_v we_o we_o do_v mere_o delude_v the_o reader_n 51._o for_o there_o it_o be_v mean_v of_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n not_o of_o the_o church_n good_a sir_n do_v not_o you_o delude_v yourself_o &_o your_o reader_n too_o out_o of_o a_o desire_n to_o traduce_v we_o be_v they_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n or_o of_o the_o church_n it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o prove_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v not_o the_o office_n of_o presbytery_n but_o the_o person_n in_o that_o office_n and_o this_o also_o may_v answer_v that_o objection_n which_o he_o make_v from_o the_o 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o for_o though_o we_o grant_v indeed_o master_n calvin_n be_v more_o skill_v in_o the_o harmony_n than_o ourselves_o the_o remonstrant_n may_v have_v let_v it_o pass_v so_o without_o put_v it_o among_o his_o errata_fw-la turn_v it_o to_o themselves_o yet_o we_o must_v crave_v leave_n herein_o to_o dissent_v from_o master_n calvin_n as_o well_o as_o beza_n cameron_n chameir_n and_o other_o since_o he_o have_v do_v before_o we_o and_o let_v not_o the_o remonstrant_n call_v it_o boldness_n in_o we_o to_o say_v that_o power_n of_o ordination_n be_v communicate_v to_o presbyter_n because_o hierome_n and_o council_n aquisgr_n still_o except_o ordination_n we_o must_v rather_o marvel_v at_o his_o boldness_n in_o put_v that_o upon_o we_o which_o we_o speak_v not_o we_o say_v indeed_o pag._n 24._o of_o our_o answer_n it_o be_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o presbyter_n the_o remonstrant_a will_v have_v we_o say_v communicate_v to_o presbyter_n that_o we_o may_v seem_v to_o acknowledge_v the_o power_n of_o ordination_n to_o be_v original_o in_o bishop_n and_o in_o presbyter_n only_o by_o derivation_n from_o they_o which_o we_o never_o
it_o out_o of_o hierome_n and_o chrysostome_n yet_o let_v the_o reader_n consult_v the_o 37._o page_n of_o our_o answer_n which_o the_o remonstrant_a leaf_n unanswered_a and_o judge_v between_o we_o how_o far_o we_o be_v from_o such_o confession_n his_o only_a shift_n now_o be_v to_o say_v our_o bishop_n neither_o challenge_v nor_o exercise_v any_o such_o power_n we_o have_v evident_o prove_v they_o do_v both_o manet_fw-la ergo_fw-la inconcussum_fw-la our_o bishop_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o former_a time_n be_v two_o sect_n ix_o here_o say_v the_o remonstrant_a 73._o we_o beat_v the_o air_n and_o yet_o not_o the_o air_n but_o the_o remonstrant_a too_o into_o the_o confession_n of_o that_o which_o will_v not_o be_v confess_v heretofore_o by_o such_o of_o they_o especial_o as_o have_v contend_v for_o such_o a_o bishop_n as_o exercise_v spiritual_a jurisdiction_n out_o of_o his_o own_o peculiarly_a demandated_a authority_n if_o jurisdiction_n exercise_v from_o a_o authority_n peculiar_o demandate_v how_o not_o sole_o 10._o well_o now_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o this_o sole_a be_v cry_v down_o by_o store_n of_o antiquity_n so_o then_o here_o we_o do_v not_o falsify_v 74._o and_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o presbyter_n have_v and_o aught_o to_o have_v and_o exercise_v a_o jurisdiction_n within_o their_o own_o charge_n but_o here_o the_o remonstrant_a will_v distinguish_v again_o it_o be_v in_o foro_fw-la conscientiae_fw-la but_o consider_v reader_n whether_o this_o be_v the_o jurisdiction_n here_o under_o dispute_n whether_o that_o store_n of_o antiquity_n which_o he_o confess_v to_o cry_v down_o sole_a jurisdiction_n speak_v of_o a_o jurisdiction_n in_o foro_fw-la conscientiae_fw-la as_o his_o false_a margin_n say_v clem_n alexan._n who_o we_o cite_v do_v but_o indeed_o this_o distinction_n of_o the_o remonstrant_a of_o a_o jurisdiction_n in_o foro_fw-la interno_fw-la and_o in_fw-la foro_fw-la externo_fw-la be_v like_o that_o distinction_n of_o reflexiuè_n and_o archipodialiter_fw-la for_o all_o humane_a jurisdiction_n be_v in_o foro_fw-la externo_fw-la if_o preach_v the_o word_n which_o be_v especial_o aim_v at_o by_o the_o remonstrant_a be_v a_o exercise_n of_o jurisdiction_n then_o he_o that_o have_v the_o bishop_n licence_n to_o preach_v in_o the_o diocese_n have_v power_n to_o exercise_v jurisdiction_n through_o the_o diocese_n and_o a_o university_n preacher_n throughout_o the_o whole_a kingdom_n away_o with_o these_o toy_n he_o grant_v again_o that_o presbyter_n ought_v to_o be_v consult_v with_o in_o the_o great_a affair_n of_o the_o church_n but_o do_v our_o quotation_n prove_v no_o more_o bishop_n have_v their_o ecclesiastical_a council_n of_o presbyter_n with_o who_o they_o do_v consult_v in_o the_o great_a matter_n and_o be_v it_o only_o in_o the_o great_a matter_n be_v this_o all_o that_o cyprian_a say_v all_o that_o the_o council_n of_o carthage_n say_v when_o it_o determine_v ut_fw-la episcopus_fw-la nullius_fw-la causam_fw-la audiat_fw-la absque_fw-la praesentia_fw-la clericorum_fw-la alioquin_fw-la irrita_fw-la erit_fw-la sententia_fw-la episcopi_fw-la nisi_fw-la clericorum_fw-la praesentia_fw-la confirmetur_fw-la quote_v do_v this_o speak_v only_o of_o great_a matter_n when_o it_o say_v nullius_fw-la causam_fw-la audiat_fw-la be_v this_o only_a of_o a_o jurisdiction_n the_o presbyter_n have_v in_o foro_fw-la conscientiae_fw-la be_v bishop_n with_o their_o consistory_n wont_a to_o sit_v to_o hear_v and_o judge_v cause_n in_o foro_fw-la conscientiae_fw-la good_a reader_n judge_v of_o this_o man_n truth_n and_o ingenuity_n who_o not_o be_v able_a to_o divert_v the_o stroke_n of_o that_o antiquity_n we_o bring_v to_o manifest_v a_o difference_n between_o we_o and_o the_o former_a bishop_n in_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o jurisdiction_n will_v cast_v a_o mist_n before_o his_o reader_n eye_n and_o persuade_v he_o he_o grant_v the_o whole_a section_n when_o indeed_o he_o grant_v nothing_o only_o seek_v to_o slide_v away_o in_o the_o dark_a but_o our_o bishop_n have_v their_o dean_n and_o chapter_n say_v you_o and_o the_o law_n of_o our_o church_n frequent_o make_v that_o use_n of_o they_o yes_o you_o have_v dean_n and_o chapter_n but_o who_o know_v not_o that_o they_o have_v a_o jurisdiction_n distinct_a from_o the_o bishop_n in_o which_o the_o bishop_n have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o they_o nor_o they_o with_o he_o and_o the_o bishop_n also_o derive_v the_o exercise_n of_o jurisdiction_n to_o other_o we_o know_v it_o too_o well_o to_o chancellor_n commissary_n official_o and_o other_o of_o their_o underling_n even_o to_o the_o command_a of_o christ_n minister_n to_o denounce_v their_o censure_n without_o any_o discern_a what_o equity_n be_v in_o the_o cause_n and_o what_o advise_v or_o assistance_n of_o minister_n be_v require_v appear_v by_o the_o very_a stile_n of_o your_o excommunication_n g._n r._n doctor_n of_o law_n commissary_n etc._n etc._n to_o all_o rector_n etc._n etc._n for_o as_o much_o as_o we_o proceed_v right_o etc._n etc._n have_v adjudge_v all_o and_o every_o one_o who_o name_n be_v under-written_a to_o be_v excommunicate_v we_o do_v therefore_o commit_v to_o you_o etc._n etc._n to_o denounce_v open_o under_o pain_n and_o peril_n etc._n etc._n give_v under_o our_o seal_n such_o a_o day_n etc._n etc._n let_v any_o footstep_n of_o such_o a_o power_n be_v show_v in_o antiquity_n presbyter_n he_o grant_v have_v their_o vote_n in_o provincial_n synod_n we_o from_o good_a authority_n say_v more_o they_o have_v their_o vote_n in_o all_o ordinary_a judicature_n but_o after_o all_o these_o grant_n 74._o which_o be_v as_o good_a as_o nothing_o now_o he_o come_v to_o plead_v his_o own_o we_o just_o say_v that_o the_o superiority_n of_o jurisdiction_n be_v so_o in_o the_o bishop_n as_o that_o presbyter_n neither_o may_v nor_o do_v exercise_v it_o without_o he_o to_o what_o purpose_n be_v this_o if_o the_o remonstrant_a speak_v of_o scripture_n time_n we_o have_v prove_v there_o be_v no_o superiority_n in_o they_o if_o of_o latter_a time_n it_o be_v not_o to_o the_o question_n we_o be_v prove_v bishop_n never_o exercise_v jurisdiction_n without_o their_o presbyter_n as_o we_o do_v he_o put_v we_o to_o prove_v presbyter_n exercise_v jurisdiction_n without_o bishop_n quam_fw-la iniquè_fw-fr but_o the_o exercise_n of_o external_a jurisdiction_n be_v derive_v from_o by_z and_o under_o the_o bishop_n no_o neither_o from_o by_z nor_o under_o the_o bishop_n but_o from_o god_n who_o have_v make_v they_o overseer_n and_o ruler_n and_o by_o the_o same_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n that_o have_v make_v you_o bishop_n and_o under_o bishop_n not_o in_o respect_n of_o divine_a power_n but_o if_o at_o all_o in_o respect_n of_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n only_o your_o timothy_n and_o titus_n we_o shall_v meet_v in_o due_a place_n your_o ignatius_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o testimony_n you_o can_v produce_v will_v as_o you_o say_v true_o but_o surfeit_v the_o reader_n eye_n 75._o unless_o you_o can_v bring_v they_o to_o prove_v that_o bishop_n do_v and_o may_v exercise_v sole_a jurisdiction_n only_o because_o you_o so_o triumph_v in_o our_o suppose_a escape_n let_v we_o entreat_v you_o or_o the_o reader_n for_o you_o to_o look_v upon_o your_o cite_a council_n of_o antioch_n 24_o 25_o canon_n where_o you_o say_v the_o bishop_n have_v power_n of_o those_o thing_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n 75._o and_o see_v whether_o that_o speak_v one_o word_n of_o jurisdiction_n or_o be_v not_o whole_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o distribution_n of_o the_o good_n of_o the_o church_n as_o both_o the_o instance_n give_v in_o the_o canon_n and_o zonaras_n on_o that_o place_n manifest_a one_o shift_n yet_o the_o remonstrant_a have_v more_o and_o that_o be_v to_o tell_v we_o that_o this_o joint_a government_n be_v but_o occasional_a and_o temporary_a in_o time_n of_o persecution_n 76._o but_o when_o a_o general_a peace_n have_v bless_v they_o and_o they_o have_v a_o concurrence_n of_o sovereign_a and_o subordinate_a authority_n with_o they_o they_o begin_v so_o much_o to_o â—emit_v this_o care_n of_o conjoin_v their_o force_n as_o they_o suppose_v to_o find_v less_o need_n of_o it_o doctor_n downham_n to_o who_o he_o refer_v in_o the_o page_n before_o assign_v other_o reason_n namely_o presbyter_n desire_v their_o ease_n and_o scholastical_a quietness_n which_o he_o say_v and_o prove_v not_o and_o also_o the_o bishop_n desire_v to_o rule_v alone_o 8._o which_o we_o find_v to_o be_v the_o true_a cause_n by_o experience_n for_o if_o the_o bishop_n be_v of_o the_o remonstrants_n mind_n persuade_v that_o the_o more_o frequent_a communicate_v of_o all_o the_o important_a business_n of_o the_o church_n whether_o censure_n or_o determination_n with_o those_o grave_a assistant_n which_o in_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o law_n be_v design_v to_o this_o purpose_n be_v a_o thing_n not_o only_o unprejudicial_a to_o the_o honour_n of_o episcopacy_n but_o behooveful_a to_o the_o church_n why_o shall_v not_o the_o bishop_n do_v
the_o substance_n of_o those_o care_n and_o office_n which_o belong_v to_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n be_v transmit_v to_o the_o ordinary_a church-governors_n as_o far_o as_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o church_n else_o the_o lord_n have_v not_o sufficient_o provide_v for_o his_o church_n all_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o these_o church-governors_n be_v by_o way_n of_o aristocracy_n the_o common_a council_n of_o presbyter_n or_o by_o way_n of_o monarchy_n diocesan_n bishop_n now_o unless_o you_o prove_v that_o timothy_n and_o titus_n be_v ordinary_a officer_n or_o as_o doctor_n hall_n call_v they_o diocesan_n bishop_n to_o who_o as_o to_o individual_a person_n such_o care_n and_o office_n be_v individual_o entrust_v you_o will_v never_o out_o of_o timothy_n and_o titus_n defend_v diocesan_n bishop_n three_o though_o the_o substance_n of_o these_o care_n and_o office_n be_v to_o be_v transmit_v to_o ordinary_a church-governors_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o transmit_v in_o that_o eminency_n or_o personal_a height_n in_o which_o they_o be_v in_o the_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n a_o apostle_n where_o ever_o he_o live_v may_v govern_v and_o command_v all_o evangelist_n all_o presbyter_n etc._n etc._n a_o evangelist_n may_v govern_v all_o presbyter_n etc._n etc._n but_o no_o presbyter_n or_o bishop_n may_v command_v other_o only_o the_o common_a council_n of_o presbyter_n may_v charge_v any_o or_o many_o presbyter_n as_o occasion_n shall_v require_v in_o a_o word_n these_o ordinary_a church-governors_n succeed_v the_o extraordinary_a officer_n not_o in_o the_o same_o line_n and_o degree_n as_o one_o brother_n die_v another_o succeed_v he_o in_o the_o inheritance_n but_o as_o man_n of_o a_o other_o order_n and_o in_o a_o different_a line_n let_v the_o remonstrant_a therefore_o take_v timothy_n and_o titus_n as_o he_o find_v they_o that_o be_v evangelist_n man_n of_o extraordinary_a dignity_n and_o authority_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n let_v he_o with_o his_o first_o confidence_n maintain_v that_o our_o bishop_n challenge_v no_o other_o spiritual_a power_n than_o be_v delegated_a to_o they_o we_o shall_v upon_o better_a ground_n maintain_v with_o better_a confidence_n that_o if_o they_o challenge_v the_o same_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v disclaim_v for_o usurper_n but_o much_o more_o challenge_v such_o a_o power_n as_o be_v never_o exercise_v by_o timothy_n and_o titus_n as_o we_o demonstrate_v in_o our_o former_a answer_n in_o several_a instance_n which_o be_v so_o common_o know_v as_o our_o remonstrant_n be_v ashamed_a to_o deny_v they_o only_o play_v they_o off_o partly_o with_o his_o old_a shift_n the_o abuse_n of_o the_o person_n not_o of_o the_o call_v but_o we_o beseech_v you_o sir_n tell_v we_o whether_o these_o person_n do_v not_o perpetrate_v these_o abuse_n though_o by_o their_o own_o vice_n yet_o by_o virtue_n of_o their_o place_n and_o calling_n partly_o by_o retort_v question_n upon_o we_o when_o or_o where_o do_v our_o bishop_n challenge_n to_o ordain_v alone_o or_o to_o govern_v alone_o we_o have_v show_v you_o when_o and_o where_o already_o when_o or_o where_o do_v our_o bishop_n challenge_n power_n to_o pass_v a_o rough_a and_o unbeseeming_a rebuke_n upon_o a_o elder_a 102._o sure_o your_o own_o conscience_n can_v tell_v that_o have_v teach_v you_o to_o apply_v that_o to_o a_o elder_a in_o office_n which_o we_o only_o speak_v in_o scripture_n phrase_n of_o a_o elder_a in_o general_n it_o be_v your_o guilt_n not_o our_o ignorance_n that_o turn_v it_o to_o a_o elder_a in_o office_n where_o do_v say_v you_o our_o bishop_n give_v commission_n to_o chancellor_n commissary_n etc._n etc._n to_o rail_v upon_o presbyter_n to_o accuse_v they_o without_o just_a ground_n etc._n etc._n where_o have_v not_o chancellor_n do_v so_o and_o what_o power_n have_v they_o but_o by_o bishop_n commission_n to_o meddle_v with_o any_o thing_n in_o church_n affair_n and_o where_o be_v the_o bishop_n that_o have_v forbid_v it_o they_o qui_fw-la non_fw-la prohibet_fw-la facit_fw-la only_o there_o be_v one_o practice_n of_o our_o bishop_n he_o be_v something_o more_o laborious_a to_o justify_v that_o be_v their_o cast_v out_o unconform_v brethren_n common_o know_v in_o their_o court_n language_n by_o the_o name_n of_o schismatickes_n and_o heretic_n which_o timothy_n and_o titus_n never_o do_v nor_o have_v any_o such_o power_n delegated_a to_o they_o heretic_n indeed_o the_o apostle_n give_v they_o power_n to_o reject_v but_o we_o have_v hope_v the_o refusal_n of_o the_o use_n of_o a_o ceremony_n shall_v never_o have_v be_v equalise_v in_o the_o punishment_n either_o to_o heresy_n or_o schism_n but_o the_o remonstrant_n have_v find_v scripture_n for_o it_o loth_n not_o the_o apostle_n wish_v that_o they_o be_v cut_v off_o that_o trouble_n you_o but_o sure_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o wish_v man_n cut_v off_o by_o god_n and_o another_o thing_n to_o cut_v they_o off_o by_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o church_n beside_o this_o be_v write_v to_o the_o galatian_n and_o they_o that_o trouble_v they_o be_v such_o as_o maintain_v doctrine_n against_o the_o foundation_n i._o justification_n by_o work_n of_o the_o law_n etc._n etc._n which_o we_o think_v be_v very_o near_o of_o kin_n to_o heretic_n i_o be_o sure_a far_o above_o the_o crime_n of_o the_o remonstrant_n unconform_v brethren_n who_o be_v unsettle_a in_o point_n of_o a_o mean_a difference_n which_o their_o usual_a language_n know_v by_o no_o better_a term_n then_o of_o schismatickes_n and_o factious_a yet_o even_o such_o have_v fall_v under_o the_o heavy_a censure_n of_o suspension_n excommunication_n deprivation_n etc._n etc._n which_o the_o remonstrant_a unable_a to_o deny_v will_v justify_v which_o when_o he_o shall_v be_v able_a to_o do_v he_o may_v do_v something_o towards_o the_o patronise_a of_o bishop_n but_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n let_v he_o not_o say_v they_o be_v our_o own_o ill_n raise_v suggestion_n but_o their_o own_o ill_n assume_v and_o worse_o manage_v authority_n that_o make_v they_o fear_n to_o be_v disclaim_v as_o usurper_n the_o second_o scripture_n ground_n which_o the_o remonstrant_a be_v ambitious_a to_o draw_v in_o for_o the_o support_n of_o his_o episcopal_a cause_n be_v the_o instance_n of_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o seven_o church_n which_o because_o it_o be_v locus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o cry_v up_o as_o argumentum_fw-la verè_fw-la achilleum_fw-la we_o do_v on_o purpose_n enlarge_v ourselves_o about_o it_o and_o for_o our_o pain_n the_o remonstrant_a as_o if_o all_o learning_n and_o acuteness_n be_v lock_v up_o in_o his_o breast_n narcissus_n like_v in_o love_n with_o his_o own_o shadow_n profess_v that_o this_o piece_n of_o the_o task_n fall_v unhappy_o upon_o some_o dull_a and_o tedious_a hand_n etc._n etc._n which_o if_o it_o be_v so_o 103._o it_o will_v redound_v the_o more_o to_o the_o remonstrants_n discredit_n when_o it_o shall_v appear_v that_o he_o be_v so_o shameful_o foil_v and_o wound_v by_o so_o dull_a a_o adversary_n he_o object_n colemort_v oft_o sod_a when_o he_o can_v but_o know_v that_o the_o whole_a substance_n of_o his_o own_o book_n be_v borrow_v from_o bishop_n bilson_n and_o doctor_n downham_n and_o that_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o this_o discourse_n about_o the_o angel_n but_o either_o it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o if_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o before_o we_o come_v to_o answer_v our_o remonstrants_n particular_n we_o will_v premise_v something_o in_o general_a about_o these_o asian_a angel_n it_o may_v seem_v strange_a that_o the_o defender_n of_o episcopacy_n lie_v so_o much_o weight_n of_o argument_n upon_o the_o word_n or_o appellation_n of_o angel_n which_o themselves_o know_v to_o be_v a_o title_n not_o impropriate_v to_o the_o chief_a minister_n of_o the_o church_n but_o common_a to_o all_o that_o bring_v the_o glad_a tiding_n of_o the_o gospel_n yea_o to_o all_o the_o messenger_n of_o the_o lord_n of_o host_n we_o conceive_v there_o be_v 2._o main_a reason_n that_o induce_v they_o to_o insist_v so_o much_o on_o this_o first_o they_o find_v it_o the_o most_o easy_a way_n of_o avoid_v the_o dint_n of_o all_o the_o argument_n bring_v against_o they_o out_o of_o the_o history_n of_o the_o act_n and_o epistle_n by_o place_v one_o above_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o presbyter_n in_o the_o period_n of_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o so_o find_v in_o the_o revelation_n which_o be_v write_v the_o last_o of_o all_o the_o part_n of_o the_o scripture_n except_o peradventure_o the_o gospel_n write_v by_o the_o same_o pen_n a_o expression_n which_o may_v seem_v to_o favour_v their_o cause_n they_o improve_v it_o to_o the_o utmost_a partly_o because_o hereby_o they_o evade_v all_o our_o argument_n which_o we_o bring_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n do_v we_o prove_v out_o of_o the_o
which_o they_o have_v make_v who_o have_v be_v intoxicate_v with_o the_o golden_a chalice_n of_o the_o whore_n of_o babylon_n abomination_n have_v so_o alienate_v the_o affection_n of_o people_n from_o they_o as_o that_o what_o doom_n so_o ever_o they_o be_v sentence_v unto_o it_o be_v no_o other_o than_o what_o they_o have_v bring_v upon_o themselves_o as_o for_o our_o part_n we_o be_v still_o of_o the_o same_o mind_n that_o honourable_a maintenance_n ought_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n not_o only_o to_o live_v but_o to_o be_v hospitable_a indeed_o we_o instance_a in_o many_o that_o do_v abuse_v their_o large_a revenue_n but_o you_o be_v please_v to_o say_v that_o in_o this_o ablative_a age_n the_o fault_n be_v rare_a and_o hardly_o instanceable_a we_o think_v the_o contrary_n be_v more_o hardly_o instanceable_a and_o as_o for_o your_o ablative_a age_n if_o you_o mean_v it_o of_o poor_a presbyter_n who_o have_v be_v deprive_v of_o all_o their_o subsistence_n by_o the_o unmercifulnesse_n of_o bishop_n who_o they_o with_o tear_n have_v beseech_v to_o pity_v their_o wife_n and_o child_n we_o yield_v it_o to_o be_v too_o true_a or_o if_o you_o mean_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o purity_n of_o the_o ordinance_n the_o frequency_n of_o preach_v the_o freedom_n of_o conceive_a prayer_n we_o deny_v not_o but_o in_o this_o sense_n also_o it_o may_v be_v call_v the_o ablative_a age_n but_o if_o you_o relate_v it_o to_o episcopacy_n and_o their_o cathedral_n with_o who_o it_o be_v now_o the_o accusative_a age_n we_o hope_v that_o the_o year_n of_o recompense_n be_v come_v and_o that_o in_o due_a time_n for_o all_o their_o ablation_n they_o may_v be_v make_v a_o grateful_a ablation_n we_o have_v do_v with_o this_o section_n and_o fear_v not_o to_o appeal_v to_o the_o same_o judicious_a eye_n the_o remonstrant_a do_v to_o judge_v to_o who_o part_n that_o vale_n of_o absurd_a inconsequence_n and_o bold_a ignorance_n which_o he_o brand_v we_o withal_o do_v most_o proper_o appertain_v 128._o sect_n fourteen_o in_o this_o section_n he_o come_v to_o make_v good_a his_o answer_n former_o give_v to_o some_o objection_n by_o he_o propound_v 26._o and_o by_o we_o further_o urge_v the_o first_o objection_n be_v from_o that_o prejudice_n which_o episcopacy_n challenge_v a_o divine_a original_n do_v to_o sovereignty_n which_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v acknowledge_v not_o only_o as_o the_o conserve_n but_o as_o the_o create_a cause_n of_o it_o in_o former_a time_n the_o remonstrant_a think_v this_o objection_n be_v sufficient_o remove_v by_o tell_v we_o there_o be_v a_o compatibleness_n in_o this_o case_n of_o god_n act_n and_o the_o king_n 129._o and_o what_o can_v we_o say_v to_o this_o sir_n you_o know_v what_o we_o have_v say_v already_o and_o not_o only_o say_v but_o prove_v it_o and_o yet_o will_v confident_o tell_v we_o you_o have_v make_v good_a by_o undeniable_a proof_n that_o beside_o the_o ground_n which_o our_o saviour_n lay_v of_o this_o imparity_n the_o bless_a apostle_n by_o inspiration_n from_o god_n make_v this_o difference_n etc._n etc._n make_v good_a when_o where_o by_o what_o proof_n something_o you_o have_v tell_v we_o about_o the_o apostle_n but_o not_o a_o word_n in_o all_o the_o defence_n of_o any_o ground_n lay_v by_o our_o saviour_n of_o this_o imparity_n yet_o the_o man_n dream_n of_o undeniable_a proof_n of_o that_o whereof_o he_o never_o speak_v word_n we_o must_v therefore_o tell_v you_o again_o take_v it_o as_o you_o please_v that_o if_o the_o bishop_n disclaim_v the_o influence_n of_o sovereignty_n into_o their_o creation_n and_o say_v that_o the_o king_n do_v not_o make_v they_o bishop_n they_o must_v have_v no_o be_v at_o all_o nor_o can_v your_o question_n stop_v our_o mouth_n where_o or_o when_o do_v the_o king_n ever_o create_v a_o bishop_n 130._o name_v the_o man_n and_o take_v the_o cause_n we_o grant_v you_o sir_n that_o so_o much_o as_o there_o be_v of_o a_o presbyter_n in_o a_o bishop_n so_o much_o be_v divine_a but_o that_o imparity_n and_o jurisdiction_n exercise_v out_o of_o his_o own_o demandated_a authority_n which_o be_v the_o very_a formality_n of_o episcopacy_n these_o have_v their_o first_o derivation_n from_o the_o consent_n custom_n council_n constitution_n of_o the_o church_n which_o do_v first_o demandate_n this_o episcopal_a authority_n to_o one_o particular_a person_n afterward_o the_o pope_n have_v obtain_v a_o monarchy_n over_o the_o church_n do_v from_o himself_o demandate_n that_o authority_n that_o former_o the_o church_n do_v and_o since_o the_o happy_a ejection_n of_o the_o pope_n tyrannical_a usurpation_n out_o of_o these_o dominion_n our_o prince_n be_v invest_v with_o all_o that_o ecclesiastical_a power_n which_o that_o tyrant_n have_v usurp_v that_o same_o imparity_n and_o authority_n which_o be_v original_o demandate_v from_o the_o church_n successive_o from_o the_o pope_n be_v now_o from_o the_o king_n look_v what_o influence_n the_o church_n ever_o have_v into_o the_o creation_n of_o bishop_n the_o same_o the_o pope_n have_v after_o and_o look_v what_o influence_n the_o pope_n have_v heretofore_o the_o same_o our_o law_n have_v place_v in_o the_o king_n which_o be_v so_o clear_a that_o the_o remonstrant_a dare_v not_o touch_v or_o answer_v there_o be_v a_o statute_n make_v the_o first_o of_o edward_n the_o six_o enable_v the_o king_n to_o make_v bishop_n by_o his_o letter_n patent_n only_o hence_o all_o the_o bishop_n in_o king_n edward_n the_o six_o time_n be_v create_v bishop_n by_o the_o king_n letter_n patent_n only_a in_o which_o all_o part_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n be_v grant_v they_o in_o precise_a word_n praeter_fw-la &_o ultra_fw-la jus_o divinum_fw-la beside_o and_o beyond_o divine_a right_n to_o be_v execute_v only_o nomine_fw-la vice_n &_o authoritate_fw-la nostri_fw-la regis_fw-la in_o the_o king_n royal_a stead_n name_n and_o authority_n as_o the_o patent_n of_o several_a bishop_n in_o the_o roll_n declare_v but_o beside_o the_o king_n letter_n the_o bishop_n be_v solemn_o ordain_v by_o the_o imposition_n of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o metropolitan_a 130._o and_o other_o of_o his_o brethren_n &_o these_o as_o from_o god_n invest_v he_o in_o his_o holy_a call_n as_o from_o god_n good_a sir_n prove_v that_o prove_v that_o the_o metropolitan_a and_o bishop_n in_o such_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v the_o instrument_n of_o god_n &_o not_o the_o instrument_n of_o the_o king_n prove_v they_o do_v it_o by_o commission_n receive_v from_o god_n and_o not_o by_o command_n of_o the_o king_n only_o produce_v one_o warrant_n from_o scripture_n one_o precedent_n of_o a_o bishop_n so_o ordain_v by_o a_o metropolitan_a and_o fellow_n bishop_n and_o without_o more_o dispute_n take_v all_o short_o resolve_v we_o but_o this_o one_o thing_n what_o be_v it_o that_o take_v a_o man_n out_o of_o the_o ordinary_a rank_n of_o presbyter_n and_o advance_v he_o to_o a_o imparity_n and_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n be_v it_o humane_a authority_n testify_v in_o the_o letter_n of_o the_o king_n or_o be_v it_o divine_a authority_n testify_v by_o the_o significative_a action_n of_o imposition_n of_o hand_n by_o the_o metropolitan_a and_o fellow_n bishop_n if_o the_o former_a you_o grant_v the_o cause_n if_o the_o latter_a consider_v with_o what_o good_a warrant_v you_o can_v make_v a_o form_n of_o ordination_n by_o the_o hand_n of_o a_o metropolitan_a and_o fellow_n bishop_n which_o be_v a_o mere_a humane_a invention_n to_o be_v not_o only_o a_o sign_n but_o a_o mean_a of_o convey_v a_o peculiar_a and_o superior_a power_n from_o divine_a authority_n and_o of_o make_v a_o presbyter_n a_o bishop_n juredivino_n final_o sir_n make_v as_o much_o as_o you_o can_v of_o your_o ordination_n by_o a_o metropolitan_a slight_a as_o much_o as_o you_o please_v your_o unworthy_a comparison_n between_o the_o king_n and_o our_o patron_n yet_o do_v the_o king_n congee_n d'eslire_fw-la give_v you_o no_o more_o humane_a right_n to_o episcopacy_n than_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o metropolitan_a and_o fellow_n bishop_n give_v you_o of_o right_n divine_a you_o will_v be_v bishop_n by_o neither_o it_o be_v not_o your_o confident_a reinforce_a of_o your_o comparison_n that_o shall_v call_v carry_v it_o till_o you_o have_v first_o prove_v it_o from_o scripture_n that_o god_n never_o institute_v a_o order_n of_o presbyter_n or_o minister_n in_o his_o church_n as_o we_o have_v prove_v god_n never_o institute_v a_o order_n of_o bishop_n second_o that_o by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n as_o much_o of_o the_o ministerial_a power_n over_o a_o particular_a congregation_n be_v in_o the_o patron_n as_o there_o be_v of_o episcopal_a power_n in_o the_o king_n till_o then_o we_o beseech_v you_o let_v it_o rest_v undetermined_a whether_o yourself_o or_o we_o may_v best_o be_v send_v to_o simons_n cell_n we_o say_v no_o more_o
his_o remonstrance_n he_o make_v no_o mention_n of_o diocesan_n bishop_n whereas_o all_o know_v that_o he_o undertake_v the_o defence_n of_o such_o bishop_n which_o be_v petition_v against_o in_o parliament_n who_o none_o will_v deny_v to_o be_v diocesan_n bishop_n in_o his_o 5._o pag._n speak_v of_o the_o change_n of_o civil_a government_n mention_v in_o the_o remonstrance_n he_o profess_v that_o he_o do_v not_o aim_v at_o our_o civil_a government_n let_v but_o the_o reader_n survey_v the_o word_n of_o the_o remonstrance_n pag._n 8._o and_o it_o will_v appear_v plain_o ac_fw-la si_fw-la solaribus_fw-la radijs_fw-la descriptum_fw-la esset_fw-la that_o the_o comparison_n be_v purposely_o make_v betwixt_o the_o attempt_n of_o they_o that_o will_v have_v alter_v our_o civil_a government_n and_o those_o that_o endeavour_v the_o alteration_n of_o our_o church_n government_n and_o whereas_o he_o bid_v as_o pag._n 135._o to_o take_v our_o soleordination_n and_o sole_a jurisdiction_n to_o sole_a our_o next_o pair_n of_o shoe_n withal_o yet_o notwitstanding_n he_o make_v it_o his_o great_a work_n to_o answer_v all_o our_o argument_n against_o the_o sole_a power_n of_o bishop_n and_o when_o all_o be_v do_v allow_v the_o presbyter_n only_o a_o assistance_n but_o no_o power_n in_o ordination_n nor_o jurisdiction_n last_o in_o the_o state_v of_o the_o question_n he_o distinguish_v between_o divine_a and_o apostolical_a authority_n and_o deny_v that_o bishop_n be_v of_o divine_a authority_n as_o ordain_v immediate_o by_o christ._n and_o yet_o he_o say_v that_o christ_n himself_o have_v lay_v the_o ground_n of_o this_o imparity_n in_o his_o first_o agent_n and_o that_o by_o the_o evidence_n of_o timothy_n and_o titus_n and_o the_o asian_a angel_n to_o who_o christ_n himself_o write_v he_o have_v make_v good_a that_o just_a claim_n of_o the_o sacred_a hierarchy_n this_o be_v the_o sum_n of_o that_o good_a reader_n that_o we_o think_v fit_a to_o praemonish_v thou_o of_o we_o now_o dismiss_v thou_o to_o the_o book_n itself_o and_o commend_v thou_o and_o it_o to_o the_o blessing_n of_o god_n a_o vindication_n of_o the_o answer_n to_o the_o humble_a remonstrance_n sect_n i._o if_o we_o think_v our_o silence_n will_v only_o prejudice_v ourselves_o we_o can_v content_o sit_v down_o and_o forbear_v reply_v not_o doubt_v but_o intelligent_a man_n compare_v cause_n with_o cause_n and_o reason_n with_o reason_n will_v easy_o see_v with_o who_o the_o truth_n rest_v but_o we_o fear_v that_o many_o who_o have_v not_o either_o ability_n or_o leisure_n to_o search_v into_o the_o ground_n of_o thing_n themselves_o will_v fierce_o think_v it_o possible_a that_o so_o much_o confidence_n as_o the_o remonstrant_a show_n shall_v be_v sever_v from_o a_o good_a cause_n or_o so_o much_o contempt_n shall_v be_v pour_v upon_o we_o that_o be_v not_o the_o bad_a defender_n of_o a_o cause_n much_o worse_o we_o must_v discharge_v our_o duty_n in_o clear_n the_o cause_n and_o truth_n of_o god_n and_o that_o will_v clear_v we_o from_o all_o the_o foul_a aspersion_n which_o the_o remonstrant_a have_v be_v nothing_o spare_v to_o cast_v upon_o we_o who_o defence_n in_o every_o leaf_n term_n we_o either_o ignorant_a liar_n witless_a falsifier_n malicious_a spiteful_a slanderous_a violent_a and_o subtle_a machinator_n against_o the_o church_n and_o disturber_n of_o her_o peace_n etc._n etc._n and_o this_o not_o only_o in_o a_o cursory_a way_n but_o in_o such_o a_o devout_a and_o religious_a form_n 1â—3_n as_o we_o make_v question_n whether_o ever_o any_o man_n before_o he_o do_v so_o solemn_o traduce_v speak_v it_o in_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n that_o he_o never_o see_v any_o writer_n profess_v christian_n sincerity_n so_o foul_o to_o overlash_v to_o the_o presence_n of_o god_n before_o who_o his_o protestation_n be_v make_v our_o access_n be_v equal_a and_o at_o that_o tribunal_n we_o doubt_v not_o through_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n but_o to_o approve_v both_o ourselves_o &_o our_o cause_n and_o have_v we_o the_o same_o access_n unto_o our_o sovereign_n we_o shall_v less_o regard_v those_o bitter_a invective_n accusation_n wherewith_o he_o have_v so_o profuse_o charge_v we_o in_o his_o sacred_a ear_n but_o our_o meanness_n forbid_v we_o to_o make_v immediate_a address_n to_o the_o throne_n which_o he_o have_v make_v his_o refuge_n yet_o may_v it_o please_v that_o royal_a majesty_n who_o god_n have_v anoint_v over_o we_o to_o vouchsafe_v a_o eye_n unto_o these_o paper_n we_o have_v that_o trust_n in_o the_o justice_n of_o our_o sovereign_n the_o goodness_n of_o our_o cause_n the_o integrity_n of_o our_o conscience_n in_o all_o our_o quotation_n as_o we_o doubt_v not_o but_o his_o majesty_n will_v clear_o see_v that_o our_o person_n cause_n and_o carriage_n have_v be_v misrepresent_v to_o he_o the_o cause_n our_o remonstrant_n say_v be_v god_n it_o be_v true_a of_o the_o cause_n agitate_a though_o not_o of_o the_o cause_n by_o he_o defend_v and_o we_o desire_v what_o ever_o he_o have_v do_v to_o manage_v it_o in_o god_n way_n to_o love_v in_o the_o truth_n and_o speak_v the_o truth_n in_o love_n the_o charity_n of_o our_o remonstrant_a we_o will_v not_o question_v though_o in_o the_o first_o congress_n he_o do_v as_o good_a as_o call_v we_o devil_n because_o so_o often_o in_o his_o book_n he_o call_v we_o brethren_n but_o that_o which_o he_o call_v truth_n and_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n we_o must_v crave_v leave_n to_o do_v more_o then_o bring_v in_o question_n notwithstanding_o the_o impregnable_a confidence_n of_o this_o irrefragable_a doctor_n our_o history_n record_v of_o harold_n cupbearer_n to_o edward_n the_o confessor_n that_o wait_v on_o the_o cup_n he_o stumble_v with_o one_o foot_n and_o almost_o fall_v but_o that_o he_o recover_v himself_o with_o the_o other_o at_o which_o his_o father_n smile_v say_v now_o one_o brother_n help_v another_o the_o remonstrant_a call_v we_o brethren_n and_o suppose_v he_o see_v we_o stumble_v in_o the_o very_a entrance_n of_o our_o answer_n and_o what_o help_n do_v our_o brother_n lend_v we_o only_o entertain_v we_o sannis_fw-la &_o cathinnis_n and_o tell_v we_o it_o be_v a_o ill_a sign_n to_o stumble_v at_o the_o threshold_n yet_o not_o always_o a_o ill_a sign_n sir_n we_o accept_v this_o stumble_n for_o such_o a_o omen_n as_o caesar_n have_v at_o his_o land_n in_o africa_n and_o our_o william_n the_o conqueror_n at_o his_o first_o land_n in_o england_n which_o they_o take_v for_o the_o first_o sign_n of_o their_o victory_n and_o possession_n an_z what_o be_v this_o stumble_v the_o answer_v mention_n the_o areopagi_n instead_o of_o the_o areopagite_n grande_n nefas_fw-la of_o such_o a_o impiety_n as_o this_o do_v duraeus_n once_o accuse_v our_o learned_a whitaker_n from_o who_o we_o will_v in_o part_n borrow_v our_o answer_n ecclesiae_fw-la it_o be_v well_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n depend_v not_o upon_o a_o piece_n of_o latin_a but_o can_v our_o remonstrant_n persuade_v himself_o that_o his_o answerer_n shall_v have_v so_o much_o clarklike_a ignorance_n as_o never_o to_o have_v hear_v of_o areopagita_n if_o he_o can_v yet_o we_o be_v sure_o he_o can_v never_o persuade_v his_o ingenious_a reader_n but_o some_o one_o at_o least_o of_o that_o legion_n which_o he_o fancy_v conjure_v up_o against_o his_o remonstrance_n may_v have_v hear_v of_o dionysius_n areopagita_n that_o by_o a_o man_n that_o have_v not_o study_v to_o cast_v contempt_n upon_o we_o it_o may_v have_v be_v think_v rather_o a_o stumble_v in_o the_o transcriber_n or_o printer_n than_o the_o author_n but_o what_o if_o there_o be_v no_o stumble_v here_o what_o if_o the_o fault_n be_v in_o the_o remonstrants_n eye_n and_o not_o in_o the_o answerers_n word_n what_o if_o he_o stumble_v and_o not_o they_o and_o what_o if_o it_o be_v but_o a_o straw_n he_o stumble_v at_o for_o though_o areopagus_n be_v the_o name_n of_o the_o place_n and_o areopagita_n the_o name_n of_o the_o person_n yet_o it_o be_v no_o such_o impropriety_n in_o speech_n to_o signify_v the_o person_n by_o the_o place_n have_v we_o say_v the_o admire_a son_n of_o justice_n the_o two_o house_n of_o parliament_n have_v this_o be_v such_o a_o solecism_n and_o will_v this_o remonstrant_a deny_v we_o that_o liberty_n for_o which_o we_o have_v nature_n patent_n and_o the_o example_n of_o the_o best_a author_n in_o other_o tongue_n to_o smooth_a or_o square_a to_o lengthen_v or_o cut_v off_o exotic_a word_n according_a as_o will_v best_o suit_v with_o our_o own_o dialect_n if_o we_o be_v call_v to_o give_v a_o account_n of_o this_o syllabicall_a error_n before_o a_o desk_n of_o grammarian_n we_o can_v with_o ease_n produce_v precedent_n enough_o in_o approve_a author_n but_o we_o will_v only_o give_v a_o instance_n in_o the_o word_n itself_o from_o joan._n sarisburi_n lib._n 5._o de_fw-la nugis_fw-la
of_o ordination_n 91._o challenge_v also_o sole_a power_n of_o confirmation_n if_o any_o man_n object_n that_o confirmation_n be_v not_o so_o appropriate_v to_o bishop_n as_o ordination_n be_v because_o as_o some_o of_o you_o say_v confirmation_n be_v only_o reserve_v to_o they_o honoris_fw-la gratiâ_fw-la ordination_n they_o have_v necessitatis_fw-la gratiâ_fw-la this_o objection_n we_o have_v satisfy_v in_o our_o answer_n page_n 38._o wherein_n we_o have_v show_v not_o only_o from_o 'loo_o that_o the_o power_n of_o ordination_n be_v reserve_v to_o they_o only_o authoritate_fw-la canonum_fw-la but_o also_o that_o it_o be_v appropriate_v to_o they_o for_o their_o credit_n and_o authority_n augustine_n speak_v almost_o in_o the_o same_o word_n 101._o nam_n &_o in_o alexandria_n &_o per_fw-la totum_fw-la aegyptum_fw-la si_fw-la desit_fw-la episcopus_fw-la consecrat_fw-mi presbyter_n that_o which_o in_o ambrose_n be_v call_v consignat_fw-la be_v here_o call_v consecrat_fw-mi and_o albeit_o the_o author_n of_o both_o these_o book_n be_v question_v yet_o both_o of_o they_o be_v acknowledge_v ancient_a yea_o doctor_n raynolds_n affirm_v the_o last_o of_o they_o from_o the_o 44._o question_n be_v write_v above_o 300._o year_n after_o christ_n this_o be_v enough_o to_o we_o that_o in_o antiquity_n consignat_fw-la be_v expound_v by_o consecrat_fw-mi which_o clear_v we_o of_o that_o imagine_a guilt_n of_o a_o solecism_n that_o he_o will_v fasten_v upon_o we_o and_o this_o may_v satisfy_v if_o this_o man_n be_v satisfiable_a that_o bold_a challenge_n of_o the_o former_a page_n show_v we_o but_o one_o instance_n of_o a_o presbyter_n regular_a and_o practise_v ordain_v without_o a_o bishop_n and_o carry_v the_o cause_n our_o three_o charge_n be_v double_a first_o of_o skill_n not_o too_o much_o second_o 72._o of_o less_o fidelity_n our_o want_n of_o skill_n be_v in_o not_o distinguish_v of_o chorepiscopi_fw-la who_o we_o bring_v as_o instance_n of_o presbyter_n ordain_v without_o a_o bishop_n some_o of_o who_o say_v the_o remonstrant_a have_v the_o nature_n and_o power_n of_o episcopacy_n to_o all_o purpose_n and_o therefore_o may_v well_o by_o the_o bishop_n licence_n in_o his_o own_o charge_n impose_v hand_n now_o we_o may_v return_v it_o to_o the_o remonstrant_a that_o he_o discover_v not_o too_o much_o skill_n in_o say_v that_o some_o chorepiscopi_fw-la have_v both_o the_o nature_n and_o power_n of_o episcopacy_n to_o all_o purpose_n and_o yet_o may_v not_o ordain_v in_o his_o own_o charge_n without_o the_o bishop_n licence_n for_o what_o need_v a_o bishop_n licence_n to_o enable_v a_o chorepiscopus_n in_o his_o own_o charge_n to_o do_v that_o for_o the_o do_v of_o which_o he_o have_v before_o the_o nature_n and_o power_n of_o episcopacy_n to_o all_o purpose_n this_o be_v just_a as_o our_o bishop_n be_v wont_a to_o do_v who_o give_v a_o full_a power_n to_o a_o presbyter_n at_o his_o ordination_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n with_o a_o charge_n also_o to_o do_v it_o and_o yet_o will_v not_o suffer_v he_o to_o preach_v no_o not_o in_o his_o own_o cure_n without_o a_o licence_n but_o how_o do_v the_o remonstrant_a make_v good_a his_o distinction_n of_o his_o two_o sort_n of_o chorepiscopi_fw-la from_o antiquity_n here_o we_o have_v ipse_fw-la dixit_fw-la and_o no_o more_o the_o peremptorinesse_n of_o pythagoras_n the_o master_n in_o affirm_v &_o the_o silence_n of_o his_o scholar_n when_o he_o come_v to_o prove_v bellarmine_n indeed_o tell_v we_o that_o some_o chorepiscopi_fw-la be_v ordain_v by_o more_o bishop_n than_o one_o and_o these_o have_v power_n to_o ordain_v other_o be_v ordain_v by_o one_o bishop_n and_o those_o be_v mere_a presbyter_n and_o may_v not_o ordain_v but_o with_o how_o much_o fidelity_n bellarmine_n and_o after_o he_o the_o remonstrant_a do_v thus_o distinguish_v 17._o let_v the_o council_n of_o antioch_n determine_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d let_v the_o chorepiscopus_n be_v ordain_v by_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o city_n to_o who_o he_o be_v subject_a from_o which_o council_n we_o gather_v that_o the_o chorepiscopi_fw-la be_v mere_a presbyter_n and_o that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o sort_n of_o they_o first_o because_o the_o chorepiscopus_n be_v to_o be_v ordain_v by_o one_o bishop_n ab_fw-la episcopo_fw-la not_o ab_fw-la episcopis_fw-la whereas_o by_o the_o canon_n a_o bishop_n be_v to_o be_v ordain_v by_o many_o or_o two_o at_o least_o as_o for_o bellarmine_n his_o chorepiscopus_n ordain_v by_o more_o bishop_n than_o one_o we_o leave_v it_o to_o he_o to_o make_v good_a indeed_o we_o find_v in_o the_o same_o canon_n the_o chorepiscopi_fw-la in_o the_o plural_a number_n have_v the_o imposition_n of_o the_o hand_n of_o bishop_n but_o when_o chorepiscopus_n in_o the_o singular_a number_n be_v mention_v then_o only_o one_o bishop_n be_v say_v to_o ordain_v he_o 2._o because_o the_o chorepiscopus_n be_v to_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o city_n ab_fw-la episcopo_fw-la civitatis_fw-la cui_fw-la subjicitur_fw-la now_o we_o read_v no_o where_o of_o the_o subjection_n of_o one_o bishop_n and_o his_o charge_n to_o another_o cyprian_n plead_v the_o freedom_n of_o bishop_n tell_v we_o that_o each_o of_o they_o have_v a_o portion_n of_o christ_n flock_n assign_v to_o he_o for_o which_o he_o be_v to_o give_v account_n to_o god_n 3._o because_o he_o can_v not_o nay_o he_o dare_v not_o exercise_v the_o power_n of_o ordination_n without_o the_o leave_n of_o the_o bishop_n the_o council_n of_o antioch_n say_v non_fw-la audeat_fw-la absque_fw-la vrbis_fw-la episcopo_fw-la conc._n ancyr_n say_v non_fw-la licere_fw-la nisi_fw-la cum_fw-la literis_fw-la ab_fw-la episcopo_fw-la permissum_fw-la fuerit_fw-la none_o of_o this_o will_v have_v be_v say_v if_o he_o have_v be_v a_o bishop_n as_o we_o have_v in_o part_n show_v in_o our_o answer_n page_z 36._o we_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o this_o power_n of_o ordain_v be_v afterward_o take_v away_o from_o the_o chorepiscopi_fw-la by_o the_o same_o authority_n of_o the_o canon_n and_o ecclesiastical_a rule_n by_o which_o it_o be_v first_o appropriate_v to_o bishop_n themselves_o as_o leo._n ep_n 88_o witness_n which_o to_o we_o be_v a_o 4_o argument_n to_o prove_v that_o they_o once_o have_v it_o and_o that_o they_o have_v it_o as_o presbyter_n for_o if_o they_o have_v it_o as_o bishop_n the_o take_z of_o it_o away_o will_v have_v be_v a_o degradation_n of_o they_o 5._o we_o may_v bring_v a_o argument_n ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la to_o prove_v the_o chorepiscopi_fw-la to_o be_v but_o presbyter_n because_o they_o be_v say_v conc._n naeocaesar_n can._n 14._o to_o be_v after_o the_o manner_n or_o in_o imitation_n of_o the_o seventy_o now_o according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o hierarchicall_a man_n bishop_n succeed_v the_o apostle_n not_o the_o seventy_o to_o all_o that_o we_o have_v say_v in_o this_o point_n we_o may_v add_v that_o not_o only_a damasus_n in_o that_o epistle_n which_o go_v under_o his_o name_n ep_n 4._o but_o also_o leo_n ep_n 88_o prove_v they_o to_o be_v but_o mere_a presbyter_n to_o who_o sentence_n conc_fw-fr 2._o hispal_n can_v 7._o subscribe_v now_o leave_v the_o chorepiscopi_fw-la we_o will_v give_v the_o reader_n a_o hint_n to_o prove_v that_o not_o only_o the_o presbyter_n of_o alexandria_n and_o the_o chorepiscopi_fw-la but_o further_o the_o presbyter_n of_o the_o city_n with_o the_o bishop_n leave_v may_v ordain_v which_o we_o prove_v from_o cenc_n ancyr_n can_v 13._o name_v before_o where_o it_o be_v say_v it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o chorepiscopi_fw-la to_o ordain_v presbyter_n or_o deacon_n nor_o for_o the_o presbyter_n of_o the_o city_n without_o the_o bishop_n his_o letter_n in_o a_o other_o parish_n from_o which_o it_o appear_v that_o presbyter_n of_o the_o city_n have_v the_o same_o power_n to_o ordain_v which_o the_o rural_a bishop_n have_v because_o the_o restraint_n be_v lay_v equal_o upon_o both_o this_o be_v not_o only_o our_o construction_n of_o the_o canon_n bishop_n bilson_n doctor_n downam_n def_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 8._o say_v the_o same_o 14._o and_o doctor_n downam_n gather_v from_o thence_o that_o presbyter_n in_o the_o city_n may_v do_v more_o than_o rural_a presbyter_n 53._o so_o do_v spalatensis_n who_o endeavour_v to_o elude_v the_o text_n have_v no_o other_o way_n but_o by_o foist_v in_o a_o passage_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o greek_a text_n and_o by_o this_o time_n we_o hope_v we_o have_v clear_v our_o fidelity_n in_o quote_v of_o the_o counsel_n of_o antioch_n and_o ancyra_n both_o which_o the_o remonstrant_a thought_n his_o bare_a word_n enough_o to_o blast_v now_o we_o appeal_v to_o equal_a judgement_n whether_o the_o labour_n of_o this_o section_n be_v mere_o cast_v away_o or_o no._n the_o remonstrant_a grant_n sole_a ordination_n be_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o exercise_n not_o challenge_v by_o bishop_n in_o the_o primitive_a time_n though_o he_o will_v persuade_v the_o reader_n we_o can_v but_o confess_v
it_o save_v only_o that_o their_o ambitious_a desire_n of_o rule_v alone_o sway_v they_o against_o their_o own_o judgement_n and_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o law_n but_o indeed_o if_o this_o communicate_v of_o all_o the_o important_a business_n of_o the_o church_n with_o those_o grave_a assistant_n you_o speak_v of_o or_o with_o the_o presbyter_n of_o the_o whole_a diocese_n if_o you_o will_v be_v only_o a_o assume_v they_o into_o the_o fellowship_n of_o consult_v and_o deliberate_v without_o any_o decisive_a suffrage_n leave_v the_o bishop_n to_o follow_v or_o not_o to_o follow_v their_o advice_n this_o be_v but_o a_o mere_a cozenage_n of_o the_o reader_n and_o do_v not_o hinder_v the_o sole_a power_n of_o episcopal_a jurisdiction_n and_o this_o be_v all_o that_o downam_n grant_v lib._n 1._o c._n 7._o p._n 161._o where_o he_o say_v that_o bishop_n do_v assume_v presbyter_n for_o advise_v and_o direction_n as_o a_o prince_n do_v his_o counsellor_n not_o as_o a_o consul_n do_v his_o senator_n who_o be_v cojudge_n with_o the_o consul_n and_o this_o we_o perceive_v the_o remonstrant_a well_o like_v of_o as_o that_o which_o make_v much_o for_o the_o honour_n of_o their_o function_n and_o now_o sir_n 76._o you_o see_v that_o we_o have_v not_o fish_v all_o night_n and_o catch_v nothing_o we_o have_v catch_v your_o sole_a jurisdiction_n and_o may_v have_v catch_v yourself_o be_v you_o not_o such_o a_o proteus_n such_o a_o polypus_n to_o shift_v yourself_o into_o all_o form_n and_o colour_n have_v prove_v that_o bishop_n in_o all_o time_n succeed_v the_o apostle_n have_v presbyter_n join_v with_o they_o in_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o jurisdiction_n and_o that_o our_o bishop_n have_v none_o be_v more_o evident_a than_o that_o it_o need_v proof_n this_o be_v more_o to_o you_o then_o baculus_fw-la in_o angulo_n it_o can_v but_o be_v spina_n in_o oculis_fw-la &_o sagittain_n visceribus_fw-la a_o thorn_n in_o your_o eye_n and_o a_o arrow_n in_o your_o heart_n convince_a you_n to_o your_o grief_n that_o the_o bishop_n you_o plead_v for_o and_o the_o bishop_n of_o former_a time_n be_v two_o sect_n x._o our_o next_o section_n the_o remonstrant_a say_v run_v yet_o wild_a 77._o it_o be_v then_o because_o we_o prosecute_v a_o practice_n of_o the_o bishop_n more_o extravagant_a than_o the_o former_a and_o that_o be_v the_o delegation_n of_o the_o power_n of_o their_o jurisdiction_n to_o other_o which_o the_o remonstrant_n will_v first_o excuse_v as_o a_o accidental_a error_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n not_o to_o be_v fasten_v upon_o all_o but_o we_o desire_v to_o know_v the_o man_n the_o bishop_n in_o all_o england_n who_o have_v not_o give_v power_n to_o chancellor_n commissary_n official_o to_o suspend_v excommunicate_a absolve_v execute_v all_o censure_n but_o one_o and_o do_v the_o remonstrant_a think_v now_o to_o stop_v our_o mouth_n with_o say_v it_o be_v a_o particular_a error_n of_o some_o man_n whereas_o it_o be_v evident_a enough_o that_o our_o english_a episcopacy_n can_v possible_o be_v exercise_v without_o delegate_a of_o their_o power_n to_o a_o multitude_n of_o inferior_a instrument_n can_v one_o bishop_n have_v 500_o or_o a_o 1000_o parish_n under_o he_o discharge_v all_o business_n belong_v to_o testamentary_a and_o decimall_n cause_n and_o suit_n to_o preach_v word_n and_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n etc._n etc._n to_o take_v a_o due_a oversight_n also_o of_o all_o minister_n and_o people_n without_o the_o help_n of_o other_o 77._o nor_o will_v that_o other_o excuse_n do_v it_o that_o it_o be_v but_o a_o accidental_a error_n and_o though_o grant_v conclude_v not_o that_o our_o bishop_n challenge_v to_o themselves_o any_o other_o spiritual_a power_n than_o be_v delegated_a to_o timothy_n and_o titus_n sir_n we_o abhor_v it_o as_o a_o unworthy_a thing_n to_o compare_v our_o bishop_n with_o timothy_n or_o titus_n the_o comparison_n be_v between_o our_o bishop_n and_o bishop_n of_o former_a time_n but_o to_o please_v you_o this_o once_o we_o will_v admit_v the_o comparison_n and_o show_v howeven_a in_o this_o particular_a that_o you_o count_v so_o monstrous_a our_o bishop_n challenge_v a_o power_n never_o delegated_a to_o timothy_n nor_o titus_n 78._o and_o we_o prove_v it_o thus_o timothy_n and_o titus_n never_o have_v a_o power_n delegated_a to_o they_o to_o devolve_v that_o power_n of_o govern_v the_o church_n which_o god_n have_v entrust_v into_o their_o hand_n upon_o person_n incapable_a of_o it_o by_o god_n ordinance_n but_o our_o bishop_n do_v so_o ergo._fw-la the_o remonstrant_a think_v by_o impleading_a other_o reform_a church_n as_o guilty_a of_o the_o same_o crime_n to_o force_v we_o either_o to_o condemn_v they_o or_o to_o acquit_v he_o but_o the_o reform_a church_n if_o they_o do_v practice_v any_o such_o thing_n be_v of_o age_n to_o answer_v for_o themselves_o our_o business_n be_v with_o the_o remonstrant_a and_o the_o person_n and_o practice_n which_o he_o have_v take_v the_o tuition_n of_o who_o we_o charge_v as_o in_o a_o generality_n with_o whole_o entrust_v the_o power_n of_o spiritual_a jurisdiction_n to_o their_o chancellor_n and_o their_o commissary_n 78._o their_o good_a friend_n tell_v we_o we_o foul_o overreach_v the_o assistance_n of_o these_o creature_n they_o use_v indeed_o but_o they_o neither_o negligent_o or_o wilful_o divest_v themselves_o of_o that_o and_o whole_o put_v it_o into_o laicke_a hand_n this_o be_v a_o mere_a slander_n that_o bishop_n divest_v themselves_o of_o their_o power_n we_o never_o say_v that_o they_o do_v either_o negligent_o or_o wilful_o decline_v that_o office_n which_o they_o call_v they_o we_o need_v not_o say_v it_o be_v so_o apparent_a and_o as_o apparent_a it_o be_v that_o they_o do_v intrust_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n whole_o into_o laicke_a hand_n for_o their_o chancellor_n and_o commissary_n have_v power_n of_o jurisdiction_n by_o patent_n settle_v upon_o they_o and_o exercise_v that_o jurisdiction_n in_o all_o the_o part_n of_o it_o convent_v admonish_a suspend_v excommunicate_v absolve_v without_o the_o presence_n or_o assistance_n of_o a_o bishop_n or_o recourse_n to_o he_o we_o think_v impartial_a judge_n will_v say_v we_o be_v neither_o slanderer_n nor_o over-reachers_a in_o our_o former_a answer_n we_o full_o clear_v from_o cyprian_a 79._o how_o far_o he_o be_v from_o delegate_a his_o power_n to_o a_o chancellor_n etc._n etc._n this_o he_o sleight_n as_o a_o negative_a authority_n yet_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o condemn_v a_o practice_n that_o never_o have_v be_v in_o the_o thought_n of_o primitive_a time_n and_o we_o believe_v it_o satisfy_v all_o other_o because_o the_o remonstrant_a say_v it_o be_v very_o like_o it_o be_v so_o though_o according_a to_o his_o old_a way_n of_o diversion_n he_o tell_v we_o 79._o as_o cyprian_n do_v not_o refer_v to_o a_o chancellor_n so_o neither_o to_o the_o bench_n of_o a_o laicke_a presbytery_n yet_o he_o that_o be_v but_o mean_o verse_v in_o cyprian_a may_v easy_o see_v that_o it_o be_v no_o unusual_a thing_n in_o that_o holy_a martyr_n to_o refer_v the_o determination_n of_o cause_n ad_fw-la clerum_fw-la &_o plebeâ—_n but_o the_o remonstrant_n think_v to_o patronize_v the_o practice_n of_o our_o present_a bishop_n by_o silvanus_n the_o good_a bishop_n of_o troas_n and_o what_o do_v silvanus_n to_o the_o countenance_v of_o this_o practice_n perceive_v that_o some_o of_o his_o clergy_n do_v corrupt_o make_v gain_n of_o cause_n civil_a cause_n cause_n of_o difference_n between_o party_n and_o party_n or_o as_o you_o phrase_v it_o page_z 91._o unkind_a quarrel_n of_o dissent_v neighbour_n he_o will_v no_o more_o appoint_v any_o of_o his_o clergy_n to_o be_v judge_n but_o make_v choice_n of_o some_o faithful_a man_n of_o the_o laity_n now_o this_o be_v as_o much_o to_o the_o purpose_n good_a sir_n as_o posthumus_z his_o plead_n in_o marshal_n 6_o we_o be_v confute_v the_o practice_n of_o our_o bishop_n in_o make_v over_o their_o spiritual_a jurisdiction_n to_o layman_n and_o he_o bring_v in_o a_o story_n of_o a_o good_a bishop_n that_o have_v a_o bad_a clergy_n entrust_v honest_a man_n with_o civil_a judicature_n rather_o than_o they_o as_o full_a to_o the_o purpose_n be_v that_o of_o ecclesiae_fw-la ecdici_fw-la 80._o or_o episcoporum_fw-la ecdici_fw-la to_o prove_v the_o antiquity_n of_o chancellor_n and_o commissary_n 108._o for_o their_o ecdici_fw-la be_v man_n appoint_v to_o be_v the_o advocate_n of_o the_o church_n to_o plead_v the_o church_n cause_n before_o the_o emperor_n against_o the_o tyranny_n of_o their_o potent_a adversary_n but_o we_o never_o read_v that_o the_o bishop_n do_v put_v over_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n to_o they_o we_o can_v with_o all_o our_o heart_n give_v this_o honour_n to_o civilian_n to_o be_v the_o church_n advocate_n but_o not_o the_o church_n judge_n which_o the_o bishop_n give_v they_o leave_v to_o
wit_n of_o fideles_fw-la and_o punctual_o of_o such_o who_o have_v attain_v such_o a_o measure_n of_o grace_n as_o they_o be_v able_a to_o express_v endeavour_n to_o do_v that_o which_o be_v right_a and_o be_v fit_a and_o able_a by_o their_o acquaintance_n to_o better_v other_o and_o therefore_o these_o can_v not_o be_v novice_n 143._o for_o the_o second_o to_o wit_n over_o who_o they_o have_v power_n they_o be_v not_o only_o such_o as_o be_v late_o admit_v for_o origen_n speak_v general_o of_o all_o wicked_a or_o scandalous_a liver_n among_o they_o who_o be_v to_o be_v inhibit_v their_o assembly_n for_o the_o three_o the_o power_n they_o have_v which_o say_v he_o be_v only_o to_o be_v monitor_n it_o appear_v from_o the_o text_n that_o they_o have_v power_n either_o to_o keep_v back_o from_o their_o assembly_n or_o to_o receive_v into_o their_o assembly_n according_a as_o the_o life_n of_o man_n be_v good_a or_o bad_a and_o be_v of_o that_o ability_n as_o that_o they_o can_v better_v they_o daily_o with_o their_o good_a counsel_n and_o if_o any_o be_v froward_a or_o contumacious_a what_o course_n be_v further_a to_o be_v take_v with_o they_o the_o follow_a word_n declare_v and_o although_o it_o be_v true_a the_o act_n of_o cast_v such_o out_o of_o the_o church_n be_v attribute_v primary_o to_o the_o teacher_n yet_o who_o dare_v exclude_v those_o former_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o all_o interest_n in_o this_o act_n when_o origen_n himself_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n the_o like_a custom_n they_o have_v about_o offender_n and_o chief_o such_o as_o be_v incorrigible_a but_o this_o great_a corrector_n of_o translation_n can_v let_v we_o pass_v here_o without_o a_o castigation_n for_o translate_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d praepositi_fw-la sunt_fw-la unfaithful_o deceitful_o say_v he_o sir_n it_o will_v have_v become_v you_o to_o spare_v your_o censure_n till_o you_o consider_v better_o if_o you_o have_v but_o look_v in_o your_o lexicon_n you_o may_v have_v find_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v not_o only_a constituor_fw-la but_o praeficior_fw-la and_o between_o praefecti_fw-la and_o praepâ—siti_fw-la certain_o there_o be_v no_o such_o great_a difference_n as_o may_v deserve_v the_o censure_n of_o unfaithfulnesse_n for_o use_v the_o one_o instead_o of_o the_o other_o beside_o turrianus_n translate_v it_o thus_o before_o we_o who_o we_o persuade_v ourselves_o be_v as_o able_a to_o understand_v the_o language_n of_o origen_n as_o our_o critical_a remonstranâ—_n if_o we_o may_v judge_v of_o he_o as_o he_o here_o discover_v himself_o will_v any_o man_n so_o confident_o charge_v unfaithfulnesse_n upon_o the_o translation_n of_o other_o and_o himself_o go_v &_o translate_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 142._o they_o do_v private_o examine_v such_o as_o be_v bewitch_v with_o paganism_n it_o be_v true_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v incantâ—_n as_o well_o as_o frequent_a admoneo_fw-la to_o inchant_v as_o well_o as_o to_o instruct_v or_o admonish_v but_o here_o it_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v render_v in_o the_o latter_a signification_n because_o it_o be_v here_o the_o participle_n of_o the_o active_a voice_n and_o the_o case_n agree_v nâ—t_v with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v put_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o that_o clause_n so_o again_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o tâ—anslates_v the_o rest_n that_o be_v like_o themselves_o they_o may_v glad_o receive_v whereas_o it_o shall_v be_v thus_o but_o receive_v those_o that_o be_v not_o such_o that_o be_v as_o those_o wicked_a person_n last_o speak_v of_o these_o be_v poor_a grammarpec_n adillio_n not_o worth_a tâ—e_v take_v notice_n of_o but_o that_o our_o remonstrant_n be_v so_o busy_a with_o his_o ferula_fw-la that_o no_o soon_o can_v he_o think_v we_o trip_v but_o he_o be_v present_o upon_o we_o corrige_n magn_n ficat_fw-la the_o rest_n of_o our_o testimony_n produce_v in_o this_o cause_n he_o thus_o answer_v first_o he_o can_v double_v our_o file_n and_o produce_v many_o more_o 143._o but_o second_o in_o sadierm_n we_o do_v nothing_o herein_o 144._o but_o abuse_v our_o reader_n for_o all_o the_o place_n be_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o the_o purpose_n in_o hand_n for_o the_o first_o the_o number_n he_o can_v add_v to_o our_o force_n be_v no_o more_o than_o our_o own_o except_o one_o only_a place_n out_o of_o gregory_n turonen_n be_v all_o the_o rest_n be_v urge_v by_o we_o even_o that_o which_o he_o say_v be_v more_o pregnant_a than_o any_o we_o have_v bring_v do_v ever_o poor_a man_n make_v so_o great_a a_o brag_n of_o nothing_o true_o sir_n you_o have_v much_o enrich_v we_o by_o pay_v we_o with_o our_o own_o colne_a only_o here_o we_o be_v behold_v to_o you_o for_o your_o testimony_n of_o the_o pregnancy_n of_o some_o of_o they_o when_o as_o you_o say_v before_o all_o of_o they_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n in_o hand_n it_o seem_v your_o second_o thought_n correct_v your_o former_a for_o his_o second_o answer_n he_o tell_v we_o all_o these_o place_n be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o why_o because_o those_o senior_n be_v civil_a magistrate_n such_o as_o we_o call_v alderman_n who_o advice_n and_o assistance_n be_v use_v in_o all_o great_a occasion_n of_o the_o church_n to_o prove_v this_o he_o bring_v the_o african_a canon_n can._n 100_o where_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v mention_v and_o expound_v it_o by_o the_o 91_o canon_n of_o the_o african_a which_o he_o call_v a_o commentary_n upon_o this_o point_n debere_fw-la unumquemque_fw-la no_n strum_fw-la in_o civitate_fw-la sua_fw-la convenire_fw-la donatistarum_fw-la praepositos_fw-la aut_fw-la adjungere_fw-la sibi_fw-la vicinum_fw-la collegam_fw-la 145_o ut_fw-la pariter_fw-la eos_fw-la in_o singulis_fw-la qnibusque_fw-la civitatibus_fw-la per_fw-la magistratus_fw-la vel_fw-la seniores_fw-la locorum_fw-la conveniant_fw-la to_o which_o we_o answer_v that_o this_o his_o commentary_n corrupt_v the_o text_n for_o in_o this_o 91_o canon_n there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o word_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o magistrate_n or_o those_o that_o be_v of_o chief_a authority_n in_o those_o place_n these_o we_o grant_v be_v as_o it_o be_v our_o alderman_n man_n of_o civil_a power_n and_o authority_n but_o they_o be_v not_o as_o those_o elder_n mention_v in_o the_o 100_o canon_n and_o why_o shall_v the_o remonstrant_a choose_v rather_o to_o follow_v justellus_n in_o read_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d seniores_fw-la locorum_fw-la then_o balsamon_n and_o zonaras_n who_o read_v it_o quiprimas_fw-la ferant_fw-la unless_o it_o be_v to_o deceive_v his_o credulous_a reader_n and_o induce_v he_o to_o think_v there_o be_v no_o other_o elder_n in_o the_o church_n than_o such_o as_o be_v civil_a magistrate_n whereas_o his_o own_o justellus_n in_o his_o exposition_n of_o the_o 100_o canon_n say_v erant_fw-la seniores_fw-la laici_fw-la extra_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la de_fw-la quibus_fw-la supra_fw-la ad_fw-la can._n 91._o erant_fw-la &_o seniores_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la there_o be_v lay-elder_n out_o of_o the_o church_n of_o who_o we_o speak_v can._n 91_o and_o there_o be_v ecclesiastic_a or_o church-elders_a to_o prove_v which_o he_o bring_v forth_o the_o very_a testimony_n which_o we_o produce_v from_o baronius_n and_o other_o and_o certain_o he_o that_o compare_v the_o two_o canon_n quote_v by_o the_o remonstrant_a will_v see_v how_o absurd_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o one_o canon_n be_v draw_v to_o expound_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o other_o for_o the_o former_a be_v the_o magistrate_n who_o have_v a_o coercive_a power_n may_v compel_v the_o donatist_n to_o meet_v for_o conference_n and_o disputation_n if_o they_o do_v refuse_v it_o the_o other_o be_v not_o magistrate_n but_o seniores_fw-la send_v by_o the_o church_n to_o accuse_v their_o bishop_n now_o how_o well_o be_v the_o one_o expound_v by_o the_o other_o but_o if_o the_o senior_n be_v not_o alderman_n yet_o they_o be_v say_v you_o but_o as_o our_o churchwarden_n and_o vestry-man_n only_o trust_v with_o the_o viensil_n 146._o stock_n and_o outward_a affair_n of_o the_o church_n business_n of_o seat_n and_o rate_n etc._n etc._n this_o the_o remonstrant_a will_n if_o you_o will_v believe_v he_o evince_n out_o of_o our_o own_o testimony_n and_o yet_o meddle_v not_o with_o that_o which_o be_v the_o most_o pregnant_a testimony_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o power_n of_o these_o elder_n do_v reach_v to_o thing_n of_o a_o high_a nature_n than_o seat_n and_o rate_n and_o that_o be_v the_o letter_n of_o puâ—purius_n which_o give_v to_o the_o senior_n a_o concurrent_a power_n with_o the_o clergy_n to_o inquire_v about_o the_o dissension_n which_o trouble_v the_o church_n that_o by_o their_o wisdom_n and_o care_n peace_n
may_v be_v settle_v in_o the_o same_o these_o dissension_n be_v not_o about_o seat_n or_o rate_n but_o a_o contention_n between_o silvanus_n the_o bishop_n and_o nundinarius_n the_o deacon_n in_o a_o matter_n of_o a_o high_a nature_n too_o high_a for_o our_o church_n warden_n faelicis_fw-la or_o vestryman_n to_o meddle_v in_o the_o bishop_n be_v accuse_v that_o he_o be_v traditor_n &_o fur_n rerum_fw-la pauperum_fw-la do_v ever_o churchwarden_n or_o vestry_n man_n among_o we_o hear_v inquire_v judge_n compose_v such_o difference_n as_o these_o be_v what_o shall_v john_n a_o nokes_n and_o john_n a_o style_n senior_n and_o smug_n the_o smith_n meddle_v with_o a_o business_n of_o bishop_n say_v episcopacy_n by_o divine_a right_n part_n 3._o pag._n 32._o but_o how_o do_v he_o prove_v they_o be_v but_o as_o our_o churchwarden_n or_o vestryman_n first_o because_o deacon_n be_v name_v before_o these_o senior_n where_o ever_o they_o be_v mention_v second_o because_o optatus_n reckon_v up_o quatuor_fw-la genera_fw-la capitum_fw-la mention_n not_o elder_n 147._o for_o the_o first_o though_o the_o order_n of_o reckon_v they_o be_v not_o so_o much_o to_o be_v insist_v upon_o yet_o we_o can_v tell_v you_o if_o here_o your_o confidence_n have_v not_o be_v great_a than_o your_o consideration_n that_o you_o may_v have_v observe_v that_o in_o some_o place_n they_o be_v mention_v not_o only_o before_o deacon_n but_o the_o whole_a clergy_n for_o so_o gregory_n letter_n cite_v by_o we_o tabellarium_fw-la cum_fw-la consensu_fw-la seniorum_fw-la &_o cleri_fw-la memineris_fw-la ordinandum_fw-la be_v not_o senior_n here_o mention_v before_o the_o clergy_n his_o second_o proof_n that_o these_o elder_n be_v no_o better_o then_o mere_a churchmarden_n and_o vestry_n man_n be_v because_o optatus_n mention_v four_o sort_n of_o man_n in_o the_o church_n mention_n not_o these_o elder_n but_o be_v this_o the_o man_n that_o have_v with_o such_o height_n of_o scorn_n vilify_v poor_a negative_a argument_n though_o draw_v from_o sacred_a scripture_n and_o will_v he_o now_o lie_v such_o weight_n upon_o a_o negative_a argument_n sure_o if_o all_o the_o truth_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a time_n be_v bind_v up_o in_o one_o optatus_n as_o all_o divine_a truth_n be_v lodge_v in_o the_o sacred_a volume_n of_o the_o scripture_n the_o remonstrant_a may_v have_v make_v much_o of_o his_o negative_a argument_n yet_o he_o scorn_v to_o hear_v we_o reason_v that_o because_o we_o do_v not_o read_v that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n do_v by_o the_o apostle_n appoint_v bishop_n in_o remedium_fw-la schismatis_fw-la therefore_o we_o can_v believe_v bishop_n be_v of_o divine_a or_o apostolical_a institution_n but_o of_o humane_a away_o say_v he_o with_o this_o poor_a negative_a argument_n and_o because_o the_o apostle_n ephesian_n the_o four_o reckon_v the_o officer_n who_o christ_n have_v give_v and_o gift_v for_o the_o edification_n of_o his_o church_n reckon_v up_o only_a apostle_n prophet_n evangelist_n pastor_n &_o teacher_n if_o we_o shall_v conclude_v ergo_fw-la there_o be_v no_o bishop_n the_o remonstrant_a will_v cry_v out_o again_o away_o with_o these_o negative_a argument_n yet_o such_o a_o argument_n from_o scripture_n may_v be_v valid_a though_o from_o no_o other_o authority_n as_o for_o optatus_n first_o though_o in_o these_o place_n he_o mention_n not_o elder_n yet_o that_o other_o place_n which_o we_o bring_v out_o of_o the_o same_o author_n do_v which_o the_o learned_a antiquary_n albaspinaeus_n though_o a_o papist_n with_o we_o acknowledge_v second_o these_o place_n produce_v by_o the_o remonstrant_a cross_a one_o another_o as_o much_o as_o they_o cross_v we_o for_o ministri_fw-la be_v leave_v out_o in_o one_o as_o well_o as_o seniores_fw-la in_o both_o three_o these_o seniores_fw-la be_v include_v in_o turba_fw-la fidelium_fw-la as_o the_o apostle_n rom._n 10._o 14._o comprehend_v all_o the_o church_n under_o these_o two_o hearer_n and_o teacher_n and_o so_o again_o heb._n 13._o 24._o ruler_n and_o saint_n yet_o the_o remonstrant_a be_v resolve_v to_o hold_v the_o conclusion_n elder_n in_o a_o rank_n above_o deacon_n in_o a_o settle_a power_n of_o government_n with_o the_o pastor_n 147._o shall_v be_v damn_v by_o he_o for_o a_o new_a and_o unjustifiable_a opinion_n yet_o this_o be_v the_o man_n that_o will_v by_o no_o mean_n be_v think_v to_o condemn_v the_o reform_a church_n though_o he_o fall_v as_o unhappy_o near_o the_o very_a word_n of_o their_o profess_a enemy_n the_o netherlands_n remonstants_n as_o ever_o we_o do_v the_o word_n of_o aerius_n quod_fw-la attinet_fw-la praxin_n antiquitatis_fw-la ex_fw-la â—â_fw-la videlicet_fw-la id_fw-la demonstrari_fw-la posse_fw-la idoneis_fw-la argumentis_fw-la ut_fw-la censor_n asserit_fw-la audaciae_fw-la &_o temeritatis_fw-la est_fw-la and_o again_o tota_n antiquitatis_fw-la praxis_fw-la ei_fw-la repugnat_fw-la but_o oh_o that_o our_o remonstrant_n will_v once_o learn_v to_o take_v the_o counsel_n he_o give_v and_o he_o that_o advise_v we_o to_o give_v glory_n to_o god_n in_o yield_v to_o undoubted_a and_o clear_a truth_n will_v do_v so_o himself_o for_o if_o it_o be_v not_o more_o clear_a that_o there_o be_v elder_n ancient_o in_o the_o church_n then_o that_o there_o be_v none_o and_o that_o these_o elder_n be_v not_o civil_a alderman_n but_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n not_o mere_a churchwarden_n and_o vestry_n man_n busy_v about_o inferior_a thing_n of_o seat_n and_o rate_n but_o employ_v in_o matter_n of_o high_a nature_n let_v the_o remonstrant_fw-la never_o renounce_v episcopacy_n but_o if_o it_o be_v let_v he_o take_v heed_n he_o do_v not_o renounce_v his_o word_n which_o he_o utter_v pag._n 147._o i_o do_v here_o solemn_o profess_v that_o if_o any_o one_o such_o instance_n can_v be_v bring_v i_o will_v renounce_v episcopacy_n for_o ever_o sect_n xvi_o xvii_o xviii_o the_o rest_n of_o our_o answer_n you_o say_v be_v but_o a_o mere_a declamation_n and_o good_a sir_n 148._o what_o be_v your_o whole_a remonstrance_n but_o a_o declamation_n and_o what_o be_v your_o defence_n but_o a_o satire_n but_o we_o be_v worthy_a of_o no_o other_o answer_n than_o contempt_n and_o silence_n you_o be_v very_o dextrous_a and_o happy_a in_o those_o kind_n of_o answer_n your_o whole_a defence_n be_v full_a of_o they_o it_o be_v true_a you_o say_v the_o religious_a bishop_n of_o all_o time_n have_v strong_o uphold_v the_o truth_n of_o god_n against_o satan_n and_o against_o his_o antichrist_n and_o it_o be_v as_o true_a that_o we_o tell_v you_o that_o other_o have_v uphold_v the_o truth_n as_o strong_o as_o bishop_n ever_o do_v yea_o &_o at_o sometime_o when_o there_o be_v never_o a_o bishop_n in_o the_o world_n to_o appear_v for_o the_o truth_n and_o therefore_o never_o impropriate_a all_o the_o glory_n to_o episcopacy_n it_o be_v also_o true_a that_o we_o tell_v you_o that_o some_o irreligious_a bishop_n have_v uphold_v satan_n and_o his_o antichrist_n against_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n and_o what_o can_v you_o say_v to_o this_o what_o be_v this_o to_o their_o call_n sir_n their_o uphold_v antichrist_n make_v as_o much_o against_o their_o call_n as_o their_o uphold_v the_o truth_n make_v for_o their_o call_n if_o you_o fetch_v a_o argument_n from_o the_o one_o for_o their_o call_n we_o may_v as_o logical_o fetch_v a_o argument_n from_o the_o other_o against_o their_o call_n with_o as_o much_o conclude_a strength_n but_o you_o can_v tell_v we_o of_o presbyter_n wicked_a and_o irreligious_a shall_v the_o function_n itself_o therefore_o suffer_v like_a enough_o and_o we_o can_v tell_v you_o that_o they_o find_v more_o countenance_n from_o bishop_n then_o the_o painfull_a minister_n but_o if_o presbyter_n shall_v be_v as_o general_o corrupt_v as_o bishop_n now_o be_v have_v as_o much_o strength_n to_o suppress_v the_o gospel_n and_o promote_v popery_n as_o the_o bishop_n by_o their_o supreme_a power_n have_v if_o they_o can_v bring_v no_o more_o evidence_n of_o divine_a institution_n than_o bishop_n can_v and_o be_v of_o no_o more_o necessity_n to_o the_o church_n than_o bishop_n be_v let_v the_o function_n suffer_v we_o tell_v you_o what_o a_o unpreach_a bishop_n say_v of_o a_o preach_a bishop_n this_o say_v you_o be_v our_o slander_n not_o their_o just_a epithet_n and_o challenge_v we_o to_o show_v any_o unpreach_a bishop_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n this_o day_n sir_n pardon_v we_o if_o we_o tell_v you_o that_o you_o put_v we_o in_o mind_n of_o a_o poor_a sir_n john_n that_o because_o he_o have_v make_v one_o sermon_n in_o 40._o year_n will_v needs_o be_v count_v a_o preach_a minister_n if_o you_o speak_v of_o preach_v after_o that_o rate_n than_o indeed_o you_o may_v call_v all_o the_o bishop_n in_o england_n preach_v bishop_n but_o the_o people_n of_o england_n can_v so_o well_o tell_v who_o deserve_v the_o name_n of_o a_o preach_a bishop_n that_o it_o be_v not_o the_o preach_n of_o a_o