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A14408 Acts of the dispute and conference holden at Paris, in the moneths of Iuly and August. 1566. Betweene two doctors of Sorbon, and two ministers of the Reformed Church A most excellent tract, wherein the learned may take pleasure, and the ignorant reape knowledge. Translated out of French by Iohn Golburne, and diuided according to the daies.; Actes de la dispute & conference tenue à Paris. English. Golburne, John.; Vigor, Simon, d. 1575.; Sainctes, Claude de, 1525-1591.; Du Rosier, Hugues Sureau.; L'Espine, Jean de, ca. 1506-1597. 1602 (1602) STC 24727; ESTC S119134 189,279 272

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themselues with the Ministers answer vpon the similitude word Camell For first they can no wayes proue that that saying of Iesus Christ vpon the end of that speech ought else-where to be applied then to the nearest member of the same where speech is made of the conu●sion and sauing of a rich man For the Pronowne demonstratiue Hoc doth clearly shewe it Afterwards although that the generall proposition in the end and conclusion of the said sentence where it is said that all things are possible to God extendeth as the Doctors will haue it to the Camell as well as the rich man yet rightly to apply the two patts of the comparison it behoueth they confesse that as the change is necessary for the rich man to be saued so is it also for the body of the Camel to cause it passe through the eye of a needle Howsoeuer that might in some sort be done the Doctors shal not proue nor euer thence conclude that two bodies can the one pierce the other For as much as the Doctors by their thrisestrong powerfull arguments haue not bene able to conclude any of all their absurdities nor by force of their reasons to constraine the Ministers to confesse the same they do nought else but exclaime Blasphemy Blasphemy which is the last recourse of all persons who despite and gnash the teeth against the truth and them that maintain it when they cannot ouercome them Would the Ministers subscribe to the errors end abuses of the said Doctors they should bee good and Catholike people but because they gainsay and reproue them they be in their opinion heretikes seducers blasphemers and Atheists and in so great horror doo the Doctors hold them that it is maruel they pull not like Caiphas their horned caps and hoods in peeces in detestation of the word of God proposed and defended by the said Ministers and condemned as blasphemy by the Doctors The Doctors haue dissembled the passage of the scripture alledged by the Ministers to proue that faith is a worke of God which he bringeth forth in the heart of the faithfull when he will worke his regeneration and incidently speake of free will and the merit of workes Wherevnto the Ministers are well resolued to answere and by the grace of God to maintaine the truth of these two points against the enemies of his glorie when they shall be proposed to be debated and discussed And for the ioy which they receiue say they that the Ministers haue confessed they haue not read in any auncient Author and expresse termes that God cannot cause one selfe-same body to bee in diuers places at one instant they haue no great cause thereof to reioyce for albeit the said Fathers haue not in expresse termes said it yet in termes equiualent in infinite places haue they said and written the same A short Resolution of all the Answeres and discourse which the Ministers haue made vpon the matter of Gods omnipotencie in the Conference which they haue had with the Doctors THe craft and subtiltie of Sathan from the beginning of the world hath alwayes beene to transforme himfelfe into an Angell of light and to search some faire pretext to shrowd and disguise himselfe and vnder that shadowe to insinuate himselfe into the Church of GOD and there to broach his lyes and trumperies As we all see that vnder pretence to honour God he hath established all the Idolatrie which hath euer beene in the worlde referring the adoration of Images the Inuocation and intercession of Saintes the worshipping of Reliques and other lyke impieties to the honour of God and perswading the ignorant that all that was done to aduance the same Lykewise vnder pretext of his seruice hath he brought in all the traditions and inuentions of men and chaunged with the time the true and lawfull seruice of God which consisteth in the obedience of his holy will declared vnto vs in his lawe and word into the obseruation of theyr commaundements and theyr inuented ceremonies Vnder shadowe and colour of the Sacraments ordained by God for the confirmation exercise and nourishing of the faith of the Church there hath crept in the Masse which is not only the ruine and totall subuersion of the Supper but also an abolishment of all the benefite of Iesus Christ and consequently of the faith and all true Religion Vnder colour and shadowe of holinesse and of chaste shamefaste and honest conuersation which is chiefly required in the Ministers and Pastors of the Church he hath established single life and taken away from them the libertie of marriage which hath bene the occasion of all filthinesse and of infamous stinking and execrable whoredomes and luxuritie which is seene in the Papacie Vnder the shadowe of prayers which men are commaunded to make one for an other and of Charitie whereby we are bound to succour all the needie poore hath hee brought in all the suffrages which men sing for the dead the merites and workes of supererogation and other lyke abhominations Vnder colour of the Saboth which God had chosen and deputed to the sanctification of his holy name to the contemplation of his workes in the remembrance and preaching of his benefites and fauours He hath set forth an infinite number of prophane Feastes in which the name of God is blasphemed his ordinance despised his couenant violated But who can recount the wickednesse and abhominations which are committed in these dayes Vnder pretext of the keyes and discipline of the Church the administration and vse whereof was giuen to the Ministers lawfully called for a meane to conserue the doctrine in it puritie and keepe and entertaine good order in the Church and to hinder the slaunders which by the insolencie of some might happen hath hee established a tyrannie whence is proceeded the whole dissipation of the Church of God the corruption of all estates and the diminishing of the lawfull authoritie which God hath giuen to Kings Princes and Magistrates Some whereof haue bene wholly spoyled as well of theyr goods as dignities by the Pope and the Bishops and others so weakened that they are in many places constrained to bowe the necke and submit themselues to theyr yoake and puissance To be short this may be noted and obserued in all the purposes and actions of the diuell that as he is a Serpent so hath hee alwayes ramped and secretly crept as it were vnder the leaues and appearance of some pietie into the house of God to place therein his pretended disorder confusion and ruine And we see that now continuing and following his wonted practises hee setteth foorth the omnipotencie of God which to all the world is a plausible and fauourable tytle to the ende that vnder the lustre and brightnesse of such an occasion hee might dazell the eyes of the ignorant and hold them still in the opinion and perswasion of theyr errorus which haue no foundation in the word of God The Ministers beseech the Readers and all those that haue