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5._o p._n 203._o that_o which_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n say_v that_o the_o mystical_a body_n church_n or_o christian_a commonwealth_n be_v compound_v of_o spiritual_a authority_n alone_o be_v true_a in_o this_o sense_n that_o to_o compound_v the_o christian_a commonwealth_n there_o be_v not_o necessary_a a_o power_n which_o be_v formal_o civil_a but_o yet_o there_o be_v necessary_a a_o power_n which_o be_v so_o formal_o spiritual_a that_o it_o be_v also_o virtual_o civil_a etc._n etc._n for_o how_o can_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v compound_v of_o civil_a and_o spiritual_a power_n which_o be_v formal_o two_o distinct_a power_n and_o yet_o the_o church_n not_o have_v power_n which_o be_v formal_o civil_a but_o only_o spiritual_a nevertheless_o i_o do_v not_o intend_v to_o deny_v that_o the_o spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a power_n among_o christian_n may_v in_o this_o sense_n be_v call_v virtual_o civil_a or_o temporal_a because_o it_o may_v for_o the_o spiritual_a good_a 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regenerate_v in_o christ_n do_v true_o proper_o and_o formal_o make_v one_o entire_a and_o total_a body_n which_o be_v the_o spiritual_a kingdom_n and_o church_n of_o christ_n whereof_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o supreme_a visible_a head_n but_o i_o utter_o deny_v that_o this_o spiritual_a kingdom_n or_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v compound_v of_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a but_o only_o of_o spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a power_n or_o that_o clerk_n and_o laic_n as_o they_o be_v citizen_n or_o by_o their_o natural_a birth_n be_v subject_a in_o temporal_a affair_n to_o temporal_a prince_n do_v compound_v this_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o only_o the_o earthly_a kingdom_n of_o the_o christian_a world_n which_o be_v only_o compound_v of_o civil_a and_o temporal_a authority_n in_o which_o christian_n world_n or_o christian_a commonwealth_n take_v they_o for_o a_o aggregatum_fw-la per_fw-la accidens_fw-la include_v both_o the_o spiritual_a kingdom_n of_o christ_n whereof_o the_o pope_n be_v head_n and_o also_o earthly_a kingdom_n whereof_o christian_a prince_n be_v the_o only_a visible_a head_n for_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v seldom_o time_n take_v in_o this_o sense_n there_o be_v but_o one_o total_a or_o entire_a catholic_a church_n yet_o there_o be_v many_o entire_a temporal_a kingdom_n or_o commonwealth_n as_o of_o english_a french_a spanish_a which_o have_v their_o several_a prince_n law_n and_o government_n and_o have_v no_o other_o communion_n then_o in_o friendship_n and_o amity_n yea_o &_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v one_o total_a body_n or_o commonwealth_n in_o christian_a and_o infidel_n kingdom_n and_o also_o in_o one_o particular_a christian_a kingdom_n there_o be_v two_o distinct_a total_a body_n or_o commonwealth_n to_o wit_n the_o temporal_a consist_v of_o civil_a power_n and_o the_o ecclesiastical_a consist_v of_o spiritual_a wherein_o as_o there_o be_v two_o distinct_a communion_n the_o one_o spiritual_a in_o thing_n belong_v to_o grace_n 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the_o body_n and_o soul_n in_o man_n be_v declare_v 1._o the_o second_o argument_n which_o card._n bellarmine_n bring_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o civil_a and_o spiritual_a power_n among_o christian_n do_v make_v one_o total_a body_n or_o commonwealth_n be_v take_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n gregory_n nazianzene_n who_o compare_v the_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a power_n among_o christian_n to_o the_o soul_n and_o body_n of_o man_n from_o which_o similitude_n card._n bellarmine_n argue_v in_o this_o manner_n 6._o manner_n lib._n 5._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 6._o these_o two_o power_n in_o the_o church_n say_v he_o be_v like_a to_o the_o spirit_n and_o body_n in_o a_o man_n for_o the_o body_n &_o the_o spirit_n be_v as_o it_o be_v two_o commonwealth_n which_o may_v be_v find_v divide_v and_o unite_v the_o body_n be_v find_v without_o the_o spirit_n in_o beast_n the_o spirit_n be_v find_v without_o the_o body_n in_o angel_n the_o body_n and_o spirit_n be_v both_o unite_v in_o man_n and_o do_v make_v
cap._n meruit_fw-la de_fw-la privilegijs_fw-la wherein_o he_o declare_v that_o no_o prejudice_n shall_v arise_v to_o the_o king_n of_o france_n by_o that_o extravagant_a of_o pope_n boniface_n but_o that_o all_o thing_n shall_v be_v understand_v to_o be_v in_o the_o same_o state_n as_o they_o be_v before_o that_o definition_n as_o well_o concern_v the_o church_n as_o concern_v the_o king_n and_o kingdom_n of_o france_n three_o for_o that_o all_o the_o authority_n which_o he_o bring_v from_o holy_a scripture_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v both_o the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a sword_n do_v prove_v only_o that_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o have_v spiritual_a power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_a to_o judge_v and_o punish_v spiritual_o as_o whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v bind_v on_o earth_n etc._n etc._n and_o a_o spiritual_a man_n do_v judge_v all_o thing_n and_o he_o be_v judge_v by_o none_o which_o place_n some_o catholic_a writer_n 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but_o by_o his_o preach_v to_o plant_v virtue_n and_o destroy_v vice_n as_o s._n hierome_n expound_v and_o by_o foretell_v the_o destruction_n of_o kingdom_n and_o nation_n if_o they_o do_v not_o repent_v and_o their_o increase_n and_o salvation_n if_o they_o will_v be_v convert_v neither_o be_v the_o pope_n s._n jeremies_n successor_n in_o the_o spirit_n of_o pprophecy_n neither_o do_v we_o read_v that_o jeremie_n destroy_v any_o kingdom_n although_o he_o fulfil_v all_o that_o which_o he_o be_v appoint_v to_o do_v by_o alm_n god_n 41._o it_o be_v the_o same_o say_v andrea_n capella_n upon_o this_o place_n to_o appoint_v he_o over_o the_o gentile_n and_o to_o give_v he_o a_o prophet_n in_o the_o gentile_n as_o he_o say_v before_o i_o give_v thou_o power_n and_o authority_n say_v god_n to_o declare_v and_o foretell_v in_o my_o name_n as_o my_o prophet_n the_o ruin_n and_o wasting_n of_o the_o gentile_n and_o of_o kingdom_n that_o thou_o threaten_v my_o enemy_n who_o in_o their_o country_n i_o have_v plant_v place_v confirm_v erect_v that_o i_o will_v abolish_v they_o with_o captivity_n unless_o they_o will_v repent_v and_o contrariwise_o that_o i_o will_v build_v they_o and_o plant_v they_o again_o that_o be_v restore_v to_o their_o ancient_a state_n they_o who_o i_o shall_v destroy_v and_o abollish_v if_o they_o will_v acknowledge_v their_o sin_n and_o in_o these_o word_n all_o the_o charge_n of_o jeremie_n be_v comprehend_v and_o the_o matter_n of_o this_o whole_a book_n be_v declare_v for_o it_o be_v a_o prophecy_n of_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o city_n and_o temple_n and_o of_o the_o captivity_n of_o the_o people_n and_o of_o their_o return_n from_o captivity_n and_o of_o the_o re-edify_n of_o the_o temple_n and_o city_n and_o of_o the_o overthrow_n of_o other_o nation_n and_o kingdom_n thus_o capella_n and_o the_o same_o exposition_n of_o these_o word_n have_v the_o gloss_n upon_o this_o place_n beside_o pope_n boniface_n in_o this_o extravagant_a 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spirituall_n but_o also_o in_o temporall_n whereupon_o he_o write_v to_o philip_n the_o fair_a king_n of_o france_n that_o he_o be_v subject_a to_o he_o in_o spiritual_n and_o temporall_n and_o that_o all_o those_o who_o shall_v hold_v the_o contrary_n he_o repute_v for_o heretic_n and_o that_o the_o kingdom_n of_o france_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o king_n disobedience_n be_v fall_v to_o the_o church_n for_o which_o word_n pope_n boniface_n be_v tax_v by_o joannes_n tilius_fw-la 1302._o tilius_fw-la in_o chron._n ad_fw-la annum_fw-la 1302._o bishop_n of_o meldune_n by_o robertus_fw-la guaguinus_n pulch._n guaguinus_n lib._n 7._o in_o philippo_n pulch._n by_o platina_n octavi_fw-la platina_n in_o vita_fw-la bonifaciâ—_n octavi_fw-la and_o other_o of_o great_a pride_n impudency_n and_o arrogancy_n whereupon_o paulus_n aemilius_n who_o do_v otherwise_o great_o favour_v pope_n boniface_n write_v thus_o pulchro_n thus_o in_o philippo_n pulchro_n pope_n boniface_n do_v add_v at_o which_o 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but_o first_o this_o similitude_n do_v not_o prove_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n itself_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o that_o a_o temporal_a king_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o pope_n in_o respect_n of_o his_o temporal_a power_n which_o he_o do_v not_o receive_v from_o the_o pope_n but_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o light_n of_o faith_n which_o a_o temporal_a king_n receive_v from_o the_o spiritual_a power_n and_o therefore_o as_o the_o moon_n when_o she_o be_v eclypse_v &_o in_o opposition_n to_o the_o sun_n do_v not_o loose_v that_o little_a light_n which_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o philosopher_n and_o astronomer_n she_o have_v of_o she_o own_o nature_n and_o not_o derive_v from_o the_o sun_n so_o temporal_a prince_n when_o of_o catholic_n or_o christian_n they_o become_v heretic_n or_o infidel_n and_o be_v in_o opposition_n to_o the_o pope_n do_v not_o loose_v
virtue_n of_o religion_n in_o use_v their_o power_n unlawful_o but_o they_o shall_v not_o sin_v for_o do_v that_o which_o they_o have_v no_o power_n to_o do_v as_o he_o who_o be_v no_o priest_n or_o bishop_n shall_v in_o consecrate_v or_o give_v order_n offend_v for_o that_o the_o power_n of_o a_o priest_n to_o consecrate_v and_o of_o a_o bishop_n to_o give_v order_n can_v either_o whole_o or_o in_o part_n be_v take_v away_o from_o they_o by_o the_o pope_n so_o likewise_o although_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n shall_v for_o just_a cause_n forbid_v a_o temporal_a prince_n who_o be_v his_o spiritual_a child_n and_o subject_a to_o excercise_n his_o regal_a power_n and_o authority_n over_o clergy_n man_n if_o that_o temporal_a prince_n shall_v herein_o transgress_v the_o command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n suppose_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a he_o shall_v indeed_o offend_v against_o religion_n in_o use_v his_o regal_a power_n and_o authority_n contrary_a to_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n which_o command_n be_v impose_v for_o the_o motive_n of_o religion_n nevertheless_o he_o shall_v not_o offend_v against_o justice_n in_o do_v that_o which_o he_o have_v no_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o do_v in_o that_o manner_n as_o another_o man_n who_o be_v not_o their_o prince_n shall_v by_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o good_n or_o punish_v their_o person_n if_o they_o transgress_v the_o law_n offend_v for_o that_o it_o be_v not_o in_o the_o power_n of_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n to_o deprive_v a_o temporal_a prince_n either_o whole_o or_o in_o part_n of_o his_o regal_a power_n and_o temporal_a sovereignty_n 40_o wherefore_o if_o we_o respect_v the_o power_n itself_o and_o the_o virtue_n of_o legal_a or_o moral_a justice_n a_o temporal_a prince_n have_v full_a ample_a and_o supreme_a royal_a power_n and_o authority_n over_o clergy_n man_n notwithstanding_o that_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n shall_v for_o just_a cause_n command_v he_o not_o to_o 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subject_a to_o he_o in_o temporall_n against_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n because_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o sin_n it_o will_v likewise_o follow_v that_o a_o suspend_v bishop_n or_o priest_n have_v no_o power_n to_o give_v order_n or_o to_o consecrate_v because_o they_o have_v no_o power_n to_o sin_n and_o a_o penitent_a have_v no_o lawful_a right_n or_o power_n to_o sell_v or_o give_v away_o his_o good_n against_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o ghostly_a father_n because_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o sin_n and_o a_o man_n have_v no_o power_n or_o right_o to_o give_v money_n to_o a_o dishonest_a end_n or_o to_o give_v away_o his_o good_n prodigal_o and_o consequent_o they_o shall_v be_v restore_v back_o again_o because_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o sin_n i_o will_v say_v nothing_o at_o this_o time_n how_o far_o clergy_n man_n either_o by_o the_o privilege_n of_o christian_n prince_n or_o by_o the_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n be_v de_fw-fr 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prince_n to_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o that_o from_o the_o subjection_n and_o subordination_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n to_o the_o spiritual_a no_o good_a argument_n can_v be_v bring_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o pope_n by_o virtue_n of_o his_o spiritual_a power_n can_v dispose_v of_o temporall_n depose_v temporal_a prince_n or_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o coercion_n but_o only_o that_o in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a he_o can_v command_v temporall_n and_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o command_n but_o by_o way_n of_o coercion_n only_o with_o spiritual_a and_o not_o with_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o by_o this_o which_o have_v be_v say_v the_o reader_n may_v easy_o understand_v the_o true_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o a_o certain_a proposition_n which_o card._n bellarmine_n in_o his_o schulckenius_n do_v often_o inculcate_v as_o though_o there_o be_v some_o great_a mystery_n lie_v hide_v therein_o to_o prove_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v temporal_a 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etc._n etc._n for_o the_o true_a meaning_n of_o they_o all_o be_v that_o christianity_n and_o not_o regal_a authority_n or_o the_o knowledge_n of_o law_n warfare_n or_o physic_n be_v the_o cause_n why_o a_o prince_n a_o lawyer_n a_o soldier_n a_o physician_n and_o all_o other_o man_n of_o what_o trade_n soever_o they_o be_v be_v child_n of_o the_o church_n and_o subject_a to_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v to_o be_v direct_v and_o instruct_v by_o spiritual_a pastor_n not_o precise_o in_o the_o rule_n of_o civil_a government_n in_o the_o rule_n of_o law_n warfare_n or_o physic_n but_o only_o in_o the_o rule_n and_o principle_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n and_o how_o they_o ought_v to_o govern_v civil_o and_o use_v their_o knowledge_n and_o trade_n according_a to_o the_o rule_n and_o precept_n of_o christian_a religion_n which_o if_o they_o refuse_v to_o do_v they_o may_v be_v correct_v and_o punish_v by_o spiritual_a pastor_n with_o spiritual_a or_o 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marvel_n that_o in_o conditional_a disiunctive_a proposition_n which_o follow_v the_o nature_n of_o copulative_n and_o not_o of_o pure_a or_o absolute_a disiunctive_a proposition_n whatsoever_o be_v affirm_v of_o the_o one_o part_n be_v not_o by_o virtue_n of_o the_o conjunction_n affirm_v of_o the_o other_o i_o say_v by_o virtue_n of_o the_o conjunction_n for_o that_o both_o in_o absolute_a and_o also_o in_o conditional_a disiunctive_n as_o likewise_o in_o copulative_a proposition_n it_o may_v fall_v out_o that_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o matter_n or_o of_o the_o thing_n affirm_v or_o deny_v the_o same_o falsehood_n which_o be_v affirm_v of_o the_o one_o part_n be_v affirm_v also_o of_o the_o other_o but_o this_o be_v not_o to_o use_v the_o logician_n phrase_n vi_fw-la forma_fw-la or_o vi_fw-la coniunctionis_fw-la by_o virtue_n of_o the_o form_n or_o by_o force_n of_o the_o conjunction_n but_o vi_fw-la materiae_fw-la by_o reason_n or_o virtue_n of_o the_o matter_n as_o i_o declare_v 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thereof_o to_o swear_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v no_o power_n or_o authority_n to_o depose_v the_o king_n which_o be_v as_o much_o in_o effect_n as_o that_o the_o pope_n may_v not_o lawful_o do_v it_o therefore_o let_v we_o make_v the_o proposition_n so_o and_o lay_v it_o down_o with_o the_o other_o disiunctive_a clause_n which_o follow_v immediate_o and_o to_o make_v the_o whole_a like_a to_o that_o clause_n that_o be_v now_o in_o question_n let_v we_o conceive_v it_o thus_o 77._o i_o abjure_v 18._o abjure_v nu_fw-la 18._o this_o doctrine_n as_o false_a that_o the_o pope_n may_v depose_v the_o king_n or_o dispose_v of_o any_o his_o majesty_n kingdom_n or_o dominion_n or_o authorize_v any_o foreign_a prince_n to_o invade_v or_o annoy_v he_o or_o discharge_v any_o of_o his_o subject_n of_o their_o allegiance_n to_o his_o majesty_n or_o give_v licence_n to_o any_o of_o they_o to_o bear_v arm_n raise_v tumult_n or_o to_o offer_v any_o violence_n to_o his_o majesty_n royal_a person_n etc._n etc._n 78._o here_o now_o 19_o now_o nu._n 19_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v that_o for_o be_v disiunctive_a in_o all_o these_o several_a sentence_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o which_o of_o they_o soever_o any_o man_n do_v teach_v he_o teach_v according_a to_o the_o intent_n of_o this_o oath_n a_o false_a doctrine_n notwithstanding_o that_o the_o word_n may_n go_v before_o or_o and_o mpli_v a_o free_a election_n to_o choose_v any_o one_o of_o they_o in_o so_o much_o that_o if_o a_o man_n shall_v say_v only_o that_o the_o pope_n may_v authorise_v a_o foreign_a prince_n to_o invade_v his_o majesty_n he_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o oath_n to_o speak_v no_o less_o untrue_o then_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v that_o the_o pope_n may_v depose_v his_o majesty_n or_o give_v licence_n to_o any_o to_o offer_v violence_n to_o his_o person_n 79._o therefore_o 20._o therefore_o nurse_n 20._o if_o widdrington_n apply_v the_o word_n impious_a and_o heretical_a in_o the_o other_o clause_n to_o the_o 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