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the_o danger_n that_o they_o be_v in_o which_o have_v communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o the_o popish_a doctrine_n and_o the_o receiver_n thereof_o he_o write_v thus_o these_o trap_n be_v lay_v with_o great_a subtlety_n to_o enthral_v their_o soul_n let_v they_o at_o least_o that_o be_v seduce_v lift_v up_o their_o eye_n and_o see_v the_o snare_n that_o be_v provide_v to_o catch_v they_o and_o behold_v the_o danger_n that_o be_v before_o they_o if_o they_o will_v wilful_o fall_v into_o these_o snare_n then_o may_v they_o blame_v themselves_o for_o their_o own_o destruction_n p._n 63._o &_o 64._o the_o damage_n redound_v to_o the_o destruction_n of_o their_o soul_n this_o thing_n the_o simple_a people_n ought_v more_o careful_o to_o look_v to_o more_o exact_o to_o prevent_v than_o any_o damage_n that_o can_v grow_v in_o their_o worldly_a state_n p._n 43._o the_o mean_n to_o be_v save_v be_v now_o take_v away_o by_o these_o that_o be_v now_o in_o the_o church_n of_o 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assumption_n of_o this_o argument_n he_o prove_v thus_o the_o church_n be_v one_o 1._o by_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o body_n 2._o by_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o head_n 3._o by_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o spirit_n 4._o by_o the_o unity_n of_o faith_n p._n 6._o but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o hold_v the_o unity_n by_o the_o body_n p._n 8._o nor_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o head_n p._n 13._o nor_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o spirit_n p._n 19_o nor_o the_o unity_n of_o faith_n p._n 22._o therefore_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v not_o unity_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n although_o all_o those_o be_v necessary_o require_v to_o prove_v a_o church_n to_o hold_v unity_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n as_o he_o say_v p._n 6._o &_o he_o bring_v proof_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v not_o unity_n in_o any_o one_o of_o they_o in_o the_o several_a place_n which_o i_o have_v quote_v yet_o i_o will_v content_v myself_o to_o bring_v his_o proof_n for_o the_o last_o because_o as_o he_o true_o also_o say_v where_o one_o of_o they_o be_v find_v all_o of_o they_o be_v find_v p._n 7._o and_o contrariwise_o his_o proof_n for_o the_o last_o stand_v thus_o they_o that_o hold_v the_o unity_n of_o faith_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n they_o have_v the_o same_o rule_n of_o faith_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n p._n 34._o &_o 39_o for_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n be_v say_v to_o be_v one_o because_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o from_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o end_n p._n â—4_n but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v not_o but_o have_v change_v that_o rule_n of_o faith_n p._n 32._o &_o 49._o for_o whereas_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v ever_o confess_v to_o be_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o scripture_n now_o in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n unwritten_a tradition_n be_v take_v into_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o so_o they_o teach_v that_o the_o whole_a rule_n be_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o 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