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A41816 The separation of the Church of Rome from the Church of England founded upon a selfish and unchristian interest. By a presbyter in the Diocess of Canterbury. Febr. 28. 1689/90. Imprimatur, Z. Isham, R.P.D. Henrico Episc. Lond à sacris. Grascome, Samuel, 1641-1708? 1691 (1691) Wing G1578A; ESTC R218847 114,589 226

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were not only acknowledged to have the same right with their own Members but also to lie under the same Obligations And if very satisfactory Reasons were not given of their forbearance if they did not then actually Communicate they were Treated as Schismaticks so that that Schismatical Distinction of such an Occasional Communion as leaves Men at liberty where and when to Communicate and that even in separate and opposite Communions was altogether unknown to the primitive Church or if it had been started would never have heen endured XII From what hath been said it may Appear That in the Practical Notion Unity Uniformity and Communion are words much of the same Importance The two latter only more clearly Explaining the Nature and Manner of the former And if it be true that our Unity consists in our Communion in the Solemn Acts of Worship and publick Offices and Duties the Christian Church it will then unavoidably follow that we must be United and firmly adhere to the True and Lawful Pastors of the Church without whom those Offices cannot be Lawfully discharged and for want of whose Support and Ministry the Solemn Worship and daily Sacrifice would fail And the greater Reason have all Christians to take Heed to this good Order of Men both because our Saviour hath Invested them with his own Authority so far forth as is necessary for the Officiating in and Governing of his Church and also because he hath made them a special Promise of his Assistance in the discharge of their Offices in Relation to the first he thus Commissionates his Disciples As my Father hath sent Me even so send I You John 20. 21. In Respect to the latter he hath said I am with you alway even unto the End of the World Matt 28. 20. So that if not under the Law much less under the Gospel may any Man take this Honour to himself but he that is Ca●●ed of God And he that intrudes into this Office without a derivation of just Authority comes not in by the Door but climbs up another way And for that Reason ought to be Esteemed a Thief and a Robber This Authority of theirs is indeed of a spiritual Nature They have no power of Coeroion they cannot by force lay a Restraint upon any Mans Person but yet their Authority is real and in some sense higher then theirs who by Gods Commission carry the Temporal Sword for the terrour of evil Doers and Defence of those who do well For the same God who gave Authority to the Pastors of his Church hath Commanded the people to obey them Heb. 13. 17. And doth interpret the dis●bedience or neglect of them to be an Affront to Himself For thus our Saviour Teacheth us Luke 10 16. He that heareth you heareth me And he that despise●h you despiseth me And he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me And therefore though such Despisers may not seem to suffer any t●ing here yet they stand Accountable to a higher Tribunal and do run a greater hazard then any temporal punishment when their Cause is forejudged by their Spiritual Governours Hence saith Tertullian Apol. Summum futuri Judicii Praejudicium est si quis ita deliquerit ut à Communicatione Orationis Conventû● Omnis Sancti Commercii Relegetur The Wickedness indeed of Spiritual Governours is of very dangerous Consequence the Influence of it makes many bad and will not suffer others to be so good as they would And as we read that the L●wdness of Eli's Sons made the People even to Abhor the Offering of the Lord So by Moses Law the Offering for the Sin of the Priest was the same as the Offering for the Sin of the whole People and much exceeded the Offering for the Sin of the Civil Ruler Levit. 4 It is sad with Gods Church when the Complaint lies at that Door But yet even this will not Absolve Christians from their Obedience to them in Matters which are within the just Bounds of their Authority and properly belong to their Office Even our Saviour himself who so often warns his disciples to Beware of the Leaven of the Pharisces yet Commands them to obey the same Men so far forth as they satt in Moses Chair And doubtless he doth not Require less Observance of those who Sit in his own Chair And though People are very apt to begin the Quarrel here yet methinks they should be more fearful of breaking Communion with their Pastors if they did Consider That this is the Door by which always Schism enters for it is not Conceiveable how they should forsake Christian Communion but by deserting their Pastors in their Pastoral Office Hence the Fathers especially St. Cyprian then whom no man better understood or wrote of this Case upon all Occasions as they usually describe a particular Church by the Union of the Flock to their Pastor so they define Schism by a Separation from the Bishop Not that they meant it is no more but that that is the Act which makes the Schismatick and that by leaving his proper Bishop he forsakes not only the Communion of that particular Church but of all other Churches of whose Communion that Bishop is And Consequently the Communion of the Catholick Church if he be truly a Catholick Bishop And hence I think it may Appear that for Maintaining Christian Communion in Christs Body the People must be United to their Pastors and that not only with Respect to Preaching the Word publick Prayers and the Use of the Sacraments but also with Regard to Matters of Discipline and Government without which Order and Regular Proceedings in the Church it cannot be upheld Upon this Score the primitive Christians were so Observant of the Rules Orders and Censures of their Bishop That if any Man fell under the Sentence of Excommunication they for so much as Related to them vigorously put it in Execution and not only would not suffer such a One to joyn in Communion but would not so much as Eat Drink Converse or ordinarily Traffick with Him Which Practice seems to have had its Foundation from that of St. Paul 2 Thes 3. 14. If any Man obey not our Word by this Epistle Note that Man and have no Company with him that he may be Ashamed As also from that 1 Cor. 5. 11. Now I have written unto you not to keep Company if any Man that is called a Brother be a Fornicator or Covetous or an Idolater or a Railer or a Drunkard or an Extortioner with such an One No not to Eat XIII But that a Firm Christian Unity may be in the Church of God it is not sufficient that the Flock continue in a due Subjection to and steddy Communion with their Pastor unless the Pastors themselves Maintain a fair Correspondence and keep due Order one amongst another For if the Trumpet give an uncertain sound who shall Prepare himself to the Battel as the Apostle saith 1 Cor. 14. 8. how is it possible that an
every little Argument that seems to favour their Cause as if there were some great thing in it I sh●●ld not think it worth my while to mention the Plea from the Conversion of the Saxons by Augustine For first if it were good that would give them but little Ground for his Preaching seems not to have taken any Effect beyond Kent the East-Saxons and perhaps some small Matter in the East-A●gles As for the Kingdoms of the Northumbrians and Mercians which were of greatest Extent they were apparently of Scotch or Irish Conversion Nor will this Claim in the least touch the Britons Irish Scots or Picts But Se●ondly if there be any thing in this then such Zealous Christians as have gone out from any of th●se Isles and Converted Pagans would obtain a Jurisdiction for the Metropolitans of such Places from whence they went in those Countreys But if any of our Bishops should on that score Chall●nge a Jurisdiction in Germany or other places I am apt to think that they would be well Laught at for their pains and be esteemed very idle impertinent persons if not worse used We are therefore ready Gratefully to Acknowledge all those good Offices which any of the Popes Predecessors have heretofore done for us or he at any time shall do for us But if for Others merits or his own good Turns he conclude he has gained us to be his Slaves I think he Sells Kindnesses the dearest of any Man living and we shall beg his Pardon that we are not in Haste to agree to so hard a Bargain XXVII As for these Isles they having been truly and right●ully possessed of such Ecclesiastical Liberties they cannot be lawfully deprived of them by any fraud or force If another Man take away my Goods and keep them never so long yet if I can prove them to have been my Goods and that th●● were fraudulently and forcibly taken and detained from Me no Poss●ssion or Prescription can Create a Right to him who by unlawful means is possessed of that which Apparently belongs to another de facto indeed it may be otherwise but de jure it never ought or can And therefore it was a Sanction of the Twelve Tables Adversus Furem aeterna Lex esto But the Canons of the primitive Church s●em more carefully to have secured the Rights of p●rticular Churches then the Secular Laws have done the possessions of particular Men. The Bishops of those overgrown Cities Rome Antioch and Alexandria b●g●n ●ery early to make Use of their Reputation and Interest to Augment their Power and Jurisdiction But as none other had the like Advantages so none Traded with such Success as the Bishop of Rome These were the Occasion of the 6th Canon of that truly Vener●ble and so much Celebrated Councel of Nice where in Relation to the Right of Metropolitans it is thus determined 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And though the latter part of the Canon seems to Confirm to them something extraordinary i. e. all that Custom could then fairly and clearly entitle them to yet notwithstanding this Complement to Men then great and pious it seems to have been made on set purpose that it might be a Barr to their future Usurpations XXVIII This will more plainly Appear if we Consider the Eighth Canon of the General Councel at Ephesus which was Composed with a Design both to Explain and Strengthen the Nicene Canon For overmuch Greatness is hardly to be Consined within Rules And their Topping Bishops had been at Work again The Bishop of Antioch had made fair Attempts to Seize the Isle of Cyprus and the Bishop of Rome not only took his part but by his Letters Condemned the Cyprian Bishops as not wise in the Faith for opposing and plainly gave the Cause on his Side which had been enough in all Conscience if he had been near so infallible or powerful then as he is now But when the Matter came before the Councel the Fathers without any Regard to the Authority of the Roman See are quite of another Mind This Act of the Bishop of Antioch which was the Ordaining Bishops in Cyprus they stile 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 An Innovation contrary to the Lawes of the Church and the Canons of the Holy Fathers And though the Complaint was particular as to the Province of Cyprus yet they make it a Common Cause saying that it was a Matter 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which concerned the Liberties of all Churches They Compare it to a Common Disease which needs a stronger Medicine or Cure And then having Restored the Cyprians to their Rights lest they should seem negligent of other Churches and leave them open to Usurpe●s they make their Decree General against all other Persons who should invade the Rights of any other Church whatsoever and that twice in the same Canon so jealous and tender were they in this point First 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. That the same thing should be Observed in all other Diocesses and Provinces whatsoever that none of the most Holy Bishops should invade any other Province which of old time and from the beginning had not been under the Government of him or his Predecessors But lest this should not be enough they Back it again with another Sanction 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. It hath seemed good to the Holy and Universal Synod that the Rights of every Province which Confirmed by old Custom have been Held formerly even from the Beginning shall be preserved pure and inviolable and that every Metropolitan have free Liberty to take a Copy of their Transactions for his own Security And here we have the Nicene Canon not only Confirmed but we are informed what are those 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 those Ancient Customes which they would have take place They were such which were not only 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not only of some time backward but from the Beginning And if these be they which must carry the Cause I think the Churches of these Isles are or ought to be as safe as ever were the Cyprian For these had not then so much as been Attempted when the other were but a small Matter from being quite Ravished and had undoubtedly been swallowed up had a General Councel been kept off but some few yeares longer But that they might more effectually prevent the Mischiefs which Attend such Encroachments and the Detriment and Dishonour done to Religion by them the Holy Fathers give no less then three Reasons for this their Constitution First 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 That the Canons of the Fathers may not be transgressed it seems the Laws of the Church had been all along against it But what of that What are Canons to the Pope who is subject to none 'T is pity he was not excepted But the true Reason is because the Fathers thought he ought not The Plenitudo Potestatis now so much boasted of was not then thought of Or if it was durst not
in this Matter are such as may with equal if not more advantage be ●eturned upon themselves 'T is true we are not desirous to Molest others we wish Peace to the Churches Reasonable things would Content us and therefore we generally keep on the defensive part and stand all their Attacks and Opposition But if by such foul dealing they will continually provoke us till we change the state of this Scribling War and bring it into their own Countrey what Work will this make For if they will Vouch those Arguments to be good against our Orders And we prove that they are of no less force against their own or that we have other stronger Reasons against them whither will they then go for Ecclesiastical Authority their pride and stomach is too great to Truckle to the Greek or any other Church or to Borrow any Authority from them But if they should they ought to Consider whether the same Arguments will not follow them yea more whether divers of their Hot-spurs have not Carried them thither already If so all their Labour is in vain And if their Arguments be good all Church power and Succession is lost This indeed doth not so fatally affect us as it doth them because we for good Reasons deny those Arguments to be good and so keep up our Succession and Ecclesiastical Authority But what will become of that Church or what Remedy is left for it which obstinately maintains the Validity of such Arguments when they are proved as valid against her self especially it being a Church of that pride and ambition as to scorn to own any Authority in any other Church which she hath not more fully in her self Now if rather then not destroy our Orders they will what in them Lies overthrow all Ecclesiastical Authority and Succession though thanks be to God they cannot do it yet it is Apparent that they will hazard the very Worship of God and shake the very Foundations of Religion rather then be frustrated in their malicious Purposes and ambitious Designes And this I take not to be any strong Temptation to prefer their Communion before all Others XL. As for our Doctrine we are willing it should come to the Trial And I know no better Way to Try it then by its Agreement with what was Taught by our Saviour and his Apostles This is the Way Tertulliaen prescribes us both for the Security of the Church and Exclusion of Hereticks For after some things premised he makes this Inference Const a● proinde omnem Doctrinam quae cum illis Ecclesiis Apostolicis Matricibus Origiualibus Fidei conspiret Veritati deputandam id sine dubio tenentem quod Ecclesiae aeb Apostolis Aposto'i à Christo Christus à Deo suscepit Roliquam vero omnem doctrinam de Menda●io praejudicandum quae sapiat contra Veritatem Ecclesiarum Apostolor●● Christi D●i And again speaking of Hereticks in general Ipsa 〈◊〉 doctrina ●orum cum Apostolicâ comparata ex diversitate contrarietate s●a Pronunciabit negue Apostoli alicujus Autoris esse neque Apostolici And then shewing how later Churches or such which shou'd at any time after be Constituted might defend themselves against Hereticks He saith thus Ad hanc itaque formam Provocabuntur ab illis Ecclesiis quae licèt nullum ex Apostolis vel Apostolici● A●cto●em s●am proserant ut mul●ò Posteriores quae denique quotidie instituuntur ●amen in eâdem fide Conspirantes non minùs Apostolicae deputantur pro Consanguinitate do●trinae de Praescrip Now let this be the Test and in our Defence we say with Tertullian Postcrior nostrares non est immò omnibus Prior est Hoc crit Testimonium Veritaetis ubique occupantis Principatum de Praescrip Now let them Charge us if they can with Maintaining any Doctrine as of necessity to Salvation which came not from Christ or his Apostles and when they can prove that all these did they shall make Me believe any thing Only by the Way I cannot but take Notice of the difference between this good Old Father and the present Romanists in their Resolution of Faith or in the last Result Standard and Trial of Faith The One Refers us to what our Saviour taught by Commission from the Father and the Apostles by Authority from Him and to Examine Matters by their Agreement herewith The other without more ado Resolves all into the Authority of the present Roman Church The One saith It is the Way of Truth because the same that Christ and his Apostles Taught The Other saith We cannot be deceived because the Present Roman Church Voucheth it to be Right Now though for my own part I Adhere to the Opinion of the Father and therein of the Ancient Church yet I must Confess that the Romanists whether right or wrong have laid their Plot well for if they can once bring a Man to swallow this Proposition That the Roman Church is the only certain Rule and Judge of Truth Or That all thinge must give Way to their Determinations Then as for Particulars his Work is done and he is bound with an implicit Faith to swallow them all without any scruple or the least Examination Now this is sure and quick Work but too quick for Me who as a Christian lying under an Obligation upon occasion to Render a Reason of the Faith that is in Me would be willing to know a Reason that I may be able to do so That the Roman Church saith so will be no Reason till she produce a better Charter for her Authority then she hath yet done And till I and O●hers can be satisfied by good Reason or Evidence of such Authority For if a Reason be Required of Me my Answer that Others say so will be none unless I can convince them by good Evidence that their Say-so is of sufficient Authority and indubitable the Plea indeed of Indefectibility were good if it were true But they rather urge that because it serves their Turns then that they have any good Evidence of it And the Father who directs us to trace Truth to the Apostolical Churches supposes that particular Churches may fall from it Sicut saith he Apostoli non diversa inter se docuissent ita Apostolici non contrarià Apostolis edidissent nisi illi qui ab Apostolis desciverant aliter praedicaverunt de Praescrip The Romanists indeed lay their Scene wisely they understand well enough what would do their Business and accordingly fail not to plead what must do it with those who Admit their Plea without proof The Consequence or Building would be good if the Antecedent or Foundation were sound But you must not narrowly Examine that lest a Rotten Bottom tumble all the stately Pageant down again If the Roman Church be indefectible by Vertue of any Promise made to St. Peter then other Churches may use the same Arguments and lay Claim to the same Privileges as well as they And our own Church
shewn But then it becomes not our Rule though it is an excellent Help for a Rule ought to be full obvious and useful He that will pretend it full has doubtless an Aking Tooth at the Holy Scriptures to explode them as Useless and then he will leave us no Rule at all for this pretended Rule is neither obvious nor useful as a Rule For to fetch the Doctrines of the Christian Religion from the unanimous Consent of all the Apostolick Churches is a Work for which not one in a thousand is capable Nay take twenty for one of their own Priests and either they are not able or shall not be suffered to Attempt it And is this Fit to be set up for a Rule in a Matter of the Eternal Salvation of all Men which the most cannot and many if they could must not use This and some other Reason I could give make me suspect that the ●ridentines in defining the Scriptures and Tradition to be Received Pari Pietaetis affectu ac reverentiâ had this in their Eye that under the pretended Authority of Tradition they might foist in those Corruptions which they knew the Holy Scriptures would by no means patronize But to leave this Matter and draw a Conclusion from the Premisses if according to our Constitutions for we are not to Answer for the Miscarriages of any particular Persons both our Doctrine and Discipline our Government and Worship are good and justifiable then we cannot be Hereticks If the Roman Patriarchate extended not to these Isles then the Maintaining or Re-assuming our just Liberties cannot make us guilty of Schism as to his Patriarchship but the first is proved therefore the latter must be true XLV I should now have done with this Matter were there not one Trifle in my Way Men who are Resolved not to be Convinced will be sure to say any thing rather then be put to Silence And so the Romanist when driven from all his Posts Cryes out You were once of the Roman Communion anâ did Pay Obedisnce to the Bishop of Rome There was a Coaluion and therefore there must be a Schism Now though the Answer of this is plain from what hath been said yet some Men must be particularly Answered in every Impertinence or else they will Cry up their Tristings for unanswerable Arguments Whoever denied there was a Schism Do not we bewail it and heartily wish that Peace were Restored to the House of Israel That all Churches held a sweet Correspondence and all Christians might Communicate in all Churches wheresoever they came without any Sc●uple of Conscience as in the primitive times But our Enquiry is Who are in the fault And that the Romanists are the guilty Party I have in some Measure proved and shall do it more fully hereafter if it shall please God to Vouch●afe me Life and Leasure But to say the Truth there is a sub●il Gincrack in this Objection which when they speak out runs thus You were once Vnited and Lived in Obedience to the See of Rome and are now gone off from it What do you tell us of Corruptions Faults or ill Actions of the Church of Rome You cannot be safe till you be reconciled and again Vnited to it because that Church is the Mother and Mystress of all Churches and the Source of all Authority This is indeed a nimble Way to take for granted the main Matter in dispute And if they could as easily prove it as they are ready to beg the Question it would go very far But by the Way take Notice how streightly She hath bound all other Churches in Fetters and what a swinging Priviledge She hath Cut out for her self Let her do what She will all others must follow Her Let her do n●ver so i●l none must so much as Accuse Her Let her hold here and She is safe enough It is well Con●rived if these wicked Cross grain'd Hereticks would but believe it They who Claim such ample Privileges ought to produce their Charter But when they come to proving they produce nothing but such wretched st●ffe that Men are at a loss to return them an Answer by being struck wi●h Admiration at their Impudence That other Churches have as good Authority as the Roman is already p●oved and shall be more fully in due place And therefore this Asser●ion is an insolent Affront and Abuse to all the Churches of God But yet 〈…〉 Answer That supposing some P●eeminence did belong to the Church of Rome th●t cannot Justify them in an ill Cause If ever any Church should Claim to be the Fountain of all Authority the Jewish Church whether as Mosaical or Christian seems to bid the fairest for it Upon that Stock as I may s●y were the Christians Grafted What Pr●eminence St. Paul allows the Jews above the Gentiles you may read Rom. the 11th and elsewhere And what particular Respect all the Apostles had to the Jews how for●earing they were towards them how yielding to them how tender of them and now careful and desirous to Maintain Communion with them the Scriptures every where Testify But yet when they became obsti●ate and spake evil of Christianity even St. Paul himself depa●ted from them and separated the Disciples Acts 19. 9. Now we have cast off a Usurped Authority and Reformed some insufferable Abuses For this the Pope not only with the J●ws speaks evil of us but thrusts us away and Curseth us Let him pretend what Privilege he will if we be Schismaticks we are Schismaticks with St. Paul And in so good Company we are nothing concerned though the Pope and his Teazers Rail and Bark at us all the Way we go It must needs be saith our Saviour Matt. 18 7. that Offences come but W● to that Man by whom the Offence cometh So deplorable Schisms there be and perhaps more or less will be till the dissolution of all things put an end to them But then Wo be to that Man who to Maintain his enormous Greatness tramples on his Fellow Bishops and Tyran●izeth over all Christians and unless they will buy Peace at his unconscionable Rates will not suffer the Wounds of the Church to be healed nor her Breaches made up Nay if they should yield to him it might indeed be some kind of uniting like Brethren in iniquity but then it would be only a debauching not regulating the Church So that it was not for nothing that Marcellus the second in a Silent Melan●holick posture Leaning his Head on his Hand at length broke forth into this Expression I do not see it possible how a Man in this High Dignity ●a● be saved But let them look to that for having put in an Answer to the Claim of the Western Patriarch and briefly Justified the actual Separation I shall now Examine whether the so much boasted Councel of Trent can do them any better service CHAP. V Of the C●uncel of Trent I. THough the best things by the Frowardness and Contrivance of wicked Men and Seducers may
Henry's Marriage with her Mother part 5. cap. 2. But for my part I am not of their Humour who take a pleasure in bespattering Princes and to do it by our own can be no Honour to our selves I do not see that any thing Alledged can be any real Prejudice either to Mary or Elizabet● for the Succession to our Crown depends neither upon Canons nor Councels much less upon Popes Bulls and Decretals but upon the Constitutions of our Kingdom And it was never yet doubted but that King Henry was Married as well to Katherine as Anue Bolen And if the Marriage was Solemnized the Children are Legitimate by our Laws which abhor all thoughts of any such thing as Bastards in Matrimony 'T is true our Laws permit and Authorize Ecclesiasticks to divorce such Persons who Marry within the degrees prohibited but yet suffer no prejudice to be done to their Issue And if the Parents though too near of Kin were Legally Married their Children shall succeed to their Estates and Rights in the same manner that other Persons Children do where the Marriage was without Exception And it is very hard Measure to deprive a King o● that privilege which belongs to the meanest of his Subjects especially in this Case which may endanger to involve a Nation in Confusion and Ruine Let King Henry therefore Answer for his own faults what iniquity soever there might be in his Marrages yet being Married his 〈◊〉 are Legitimated And I doubt not but that Mary and Elizabeth were both in their Turns our Law●ul Sovereigns I will therefore prosecute this no further save with a Request to the Romanists that henceforward they would cease to set the Childrens Teeth on Edge with the soure Grapes the Father Eat and be as ready to Acknow●edge Queen Elizabeth a Lawful Sovereign as we are Queen Mary XXXVIII I did once Intend to have thoroughly Examined the Matter of the Reformation but I find that it would oblige Me rather to Write a Volume then a Chapter And after all perhaps I should be accused of needless pains for it hath been often and sufficiently done already And all Answers contain only the Crambe centies cocta or some bold Fictions or tedious Triflings Nor do I think that I can be Constrained to Answer for all that went before me In this Church I was Born Baptized and Bred I had no Hand in the Making Modelling or Altering it Gods Providence cast Me into it and I take it as I found it And if as such it be defensible I need concern my self no further And therefore without troubling my self to Rake the Dead out of their Graves I shall Consider our Church under her present Constitution for if that will not Hold we are gone without more ado But if that be good it is not ten thousand faults of Men who are dead and rotten that can overthrow it XXXIX I have al●eady proved that the Romanists themselves made the Breach And it may be more fully proved if need Require But two Schismaticks may fall out and both be in the wrong And therefore that we may Appear to be in the right something must be said to clear up the Justice of our own Cause To this End I shall briefly Examine these two things The Government and the Doctrine of our Church Government will of course take in Discipline as the Fruits of it And Doctrine will include Worship because there is no Abuse or ill Practice in Worship but it is Founded upon some Errour in Doctrine Government seems to Me therefore to belong even to the Essence of every particular Constituted Church because without it Ordinances cannot be discharged Sacraments Celebrated nor those things Performed which they are obliged to do in joynt Communion and as a Body of Men. That this Government be lawful and warrantable it is to be wished that the Governours might be always good but it is absolutely necessary that they have Lawful Authority and are rightly empowered to do some things which other Men may not do He who ●●ith otherwise must with Corah and his Company lay all in Common which the most Heathenish and Br●itish Religions have ever abhorred to do For this perhaps the Romanists will not much quarrel Me But if it were for my present purpose I could accu●e him for being false to these Principles by allowing the contrary in Practice But to return to the Business That Authority be lawful it is requisite that it be derived from such who were truly invested with such Authority for N●l dat quod non habet And further th●t they have lik●wise a Power or Author●ty to convey and derive it to others for it is often Personally Lodg'd in M●n and Incommunicable as Knights cannot make Knights nor Lords Lords And therefore a Lawful church-Church-Authority must be such as descends from those who received it from Ch●ist with a Power to transmit it Now I find not that our Saviour said to any but his Apostles As my Father hath sent me even so send I you John 20. 21. And therefore from those Hands wherein they left it with the like power to transfer it to others must all Lawful eccles●●stical Autho●ity come The Way to Avoid this is either with Erastus and H●bbs who learnt their Politicks from Jeroboams Practice to place all Authority in the Civil Magistrate or else with the Fanaticks to set up the extraordinary Call and Plea of an Authority immediately from God Now though too many of late have put in Practice M. Hobs his doctrine whilst they Rail against his Person ●nd others are drunk with their pretended Visions Revelations thereby Filling Mens Brains with Enthusiasm and in many places making a Nullity of all Ordinances yet these are not the Men I have now to do with and therefore I will not here engage against them And as for the Romanists I think I need not dispute it with them for though they strangely doat on Miracles yet I could never observe them either very fond of exeraordinary Missions or very free in allowing any Ecclesiastical Authority to the Civil Magistrate Now if they will take us at this Lock we are ready to Joyn Issue with them And to prove that we have a good Succession of Lawful Authority They cannot fairly Refuse us here becaus● this is one of the Prescriptions which Tertullian lays down against Hereticks Edant ergo saith he Origines Ecclesiarum suarum evolvant Ordinem Episcoporum suorum ita per Successiones ab init●o decurrentem ut primus ille Episcopus aliquem ex Apostolis vel Apostolicis viris qui tamen cum Apostolis Perseveraverint habuit Auctorem Antecessorcm de Praescrip Now as for a Succession possibly there is not any in the Christian World so strongly Twisted as that of the English Churches If some of the Apostles and other Apostolical Persons being present in this Isle and planting Churches If Ordination from the British Irish French or Roman Bishops or any or all of these