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the_o church_n and_o yet_o 1_o cor._n 14._o 34._o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o there_o be_v several_a meeting_n among_o they_o ordinary_o that_o may_v bear_v each_o of_o they_o that_o name_n of_o church_n when_o the_o apostle_n forbid_v that_o their_o woman_n shall_v speak_v in_o the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o must_v mean_v the_o church_n in_o corinth_n for_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v think_v that_o he_o will_v particular_o have_v mention_v their_o woman_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o he_o have_v not_o mean_v the_o church_n of_o corinth_n where_o they_o be_v like_a to_o usurp_v that_o authority_n the_o dr._n say_v p._n 235._o that_o it_o do_v not_o once_o fail_v that_o where_o church_n be_v speak_v of_o in_o the_o plural_a number_n they_o be_v the_o church_n of_o a_o province_n here_o it_o fail_v sect._n 5._o but_o leave_v the_o word_n let_v we_o understand_v the_o thing_n which_o i_o shall_v set_v down_o in_o a_o few_o assertion_n 1._o all_o visible_a 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the_o convenience_n of_o people_n live_v together_o that_o so_o they_o may_v usual_o meet_v together_o 3._o these_o single_a congregation_n be_v furnish_v with_o one_o or_o more_o pastor_n and_o elder_n have_v rule_v power_n within_o themselves_o for_o christ_n have_v give_v rule_v power_n to_o all_o the_o pastor_n and_o elder_n and_o not_o place_v it_o single_a in_o a_o diocesan_n bishop_n for_o at_o philippi_n phil._n 2._o 1._o all_o church-officer_n be_v divide_v into_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n a_o plurality_n of_o which_o be_v in_o that_o church_n though_o in_o one_o city_n where_o our_o brethren_n acknowledge_v that_o more_o diocesan_n than_o one_o can_v not_o be_v 4._o the_o church_n power_n in_o single_a congregation_n be_v not_o independent_a but_o be_v to_o be_v subordinate_a to_o the_o power_n of_o they_o associate_v together_o this_o may_v be_v gather_v from_o the_o church_n in_o corinth_n be_v there_o also_o call_v a_o church_n if_o there_o be_v not_o divers_a religious_a 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necessity_n of_o separation_n ans._n 1._o the_o dr._n than_o make_v no_o difference_n between_o a_o scruple_n that_o have_v ground_n for_o it_o and_o one_o that_o have_v none_o if_o he_o can_v make_v our_o scruple_n appear_v to_o be_v groundless_a as_o he_o confess_v they_o to_o be_v he_o have_v advantage_n against_o we_o ans._n 2._o be_v there_o no_o difference_n between_o have_v probable_a ground_n for_o a_o scruple_n and_o have_v no_o such_o ground_n be_v there_o any_o comparison_n between_o scruple_v at_o use_v religious_a ceremony_n that_o have_v no_o warrant_n in_o the_o word_n but_o be_v in_o general_n at_o least_o condemn_v in_o it_o and_o scruple_v at_o some_o pretend_a corruption_n that_o no_o scripture_n condemn_v ans._n 3._o if_o the_o dr_n reason_v be_v good_a either_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o none_o that_o scruple_n unless_o we_o scruple_n the_o same_o thing_n or_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o all_o that_o scruple_n the_o first_o of_o these_o exclude_v all_o christian_a forbearance_n the_o last_o he_o will_v not_o allege_v ans._n 4._o he_o mention_v imposition_n as_o to_o order_n and_o discipline_n only_o that_o we_o may_v seem_v imposer_n as_o well_o as_o his_o party_n be_v that_o be_v unreasonable_a not_o only_o because_o we_o can_v show_v christ_n law_n for_o our_o order_n and_o discipline_n which_o he_o will_v not_o pretend_v to_o show_v for_o the_o ceremony_n but_o also_o because_o we_o can_v bear_v with_o sober_a and_o faithful_a brethren_n that_o can_v approve_v of_o all_o that_o we_o do_v which_o his_o party_n will_v not_o sect._n 20._o he_o mistake_v the_o case_n when_o he_o insinuate_v that_o we_o have_v no_o more_o but_o scruple_n of_o conscience_n to_o plead_v the_o dr._n shall_v not_o have_v allege_v this_o till_o he_o or_o some_o of_o his_o party_n have_v answer_v all_o our_o reason_n of_o scruple_v in_o many_o book_n neither_o touch_v by_o he_o or_o any_o other_o but_o now_o he_o will_v knock_v down_o our_o cause_n with_o one_o blow_n he_o say_v he_o put_v the_o case_n as_o clear_v as_o possible_a to_o prevent_v all_o subterfuge_n and_o slight_a evasion_n he_o suppose_v five_o scruple_a party_n one_o at_o the_o liturgy_n a_o second_o at_o the_o cross_n and_o kneel_a a_o three_o at_o wrong_n gather_v church_n a_o four_o at_o infant_n baptism_n a_o five_o at_o preach_v by_o set_a form_n and_o be_v stint_v by_o a_o hourglass_n and_o he_o say_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o case_n do_v not_o vary_v according_a to_o these_o if_o this_o be_v the_o dr_n herculean_a argument_n we_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o fear_v his_o strength_n so_o much_o as_o before_o sure_o the_o learned_a dr_n part_n can_v let_v he_o see_v more_o reason_n to_o bear_v with_o sober_a and_o intelligent_a man_n who_o dare_v not_o join_v with_o a_o church_n in_o worship_v god_n by_o religious_a ceremony_n not_o institute_v by_o christ_n than_o with_o fantastic_a quaker_n who_o cast_v off_o god_n ordinance_n because_o of_o a_o hourglass_n but_o that_o his_o prejudice_n do_v in_o this_o darken_v his_o understanding_n but_o the_o tendency_n of_o his_o discourse_n seem_v to_o be_v either_o church-authority_n must_v lead_v we_o blindfold_n so_o as_o we_o must_v scruple_n nothing_o impose_v or_o neither_o scripture_n nor_o reason_n shall_v limit_v our_o fancy_n but_o we_o may_v scruple_n what_o we_o will._n he_o say_v well_o p._n 76._o and_o the_o nonconformist_n before_o he_o have_v say_v it_o if_o they_o allege_v ground_n to_o justify_v themselves_o they_o must_v do_v it_o ex_fw-la natura_fw-la rei_fw-la and_o not_o from_o the_o mere_a error_n or_o mistake_n of_o conscience_n we_o will_v most_o willing_o join_v issue_n with_o he_o on_o this_o condition_n provide_v the_o natura_fw-la rei_fw-la may_v be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n as_o all_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v if_o he_o can_v prove_v the_o ceremony_n that_o we_o scruple_n to_o be_v such_o as_o we_o may_v use_v without_o sin_n or_o if_o we_o prove_v not_o the_o contrary_a let_v he_o call_v we_o as_o vile_a separatist_n as_o he_o please_v if_o the_o dr._n have_v please_v at_o first_o to_o hang_v the_o matter_n on_o this_o pin_n and_o not_o to_o have_v fill_v his_o book_n with_o so_o many_o citation_n to_o strengthen_v his_o cause_n with_o humane_a authority_n he_o may_v have_v save_v both_o himself_o and_o i_o all_o this_o labour_n that_o hitherto_o we_o have_v be_v at_o it_o be_v no_o great_a commendation_n either_o of_o the_o wisdom_n or_o of_o the_o sobriety_n of_o his_o church_n that_o he_o say_v shâ—_n have_v as_o much_o occasion_n cause_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v to_o judge_v their_o the_o presbyterian_o scruple_n unreasonable_a as_o they_o do_v those_o of_o the_o quaker_n what_o follow_v about_o occasional_a communion_n be_v answer_v above_o that_o which_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o mr._n a._n of_o the_o assemby_n be_v transport_v in_o the_o heat_n of_o dispute_n be_v not_o so_o derogatory_n from_o that_o venerable_a meeting_n as_o he_o will_v make_v it_o it_o be_v rare_a to_o find_v it_o otherwise_o with_o sinful_a man_n how_o many_o thing_n do_v thus_o slip_v from_o the_o pen_n of_o several_a of_o the_o father_n that_o the_o dr._n will_v not_o approve_v but_o we_o do_v not_o hereby_o give_v up_o the_o cause_n to_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n nor_o forsake_v the_o assembly_n principle_n it_o be_v one_o thing_n not_o to_o approve_v all_o that_o man_n say_v and_o another_o thing_n to_o condemn_v the_o cause_n that_o they_o plead_v for_o sect._n 21._o our_o author_n do_v next_o undertake_v sect._n 17._o to_o show_v how_o we_o have_v desert_v the_o principle_n of_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n as_o to_o private_a person_n reform_v church-discipline_n set_v up_o new_a church_n and_o the_o preach_n of_o minister_n when_o silence_v by_o the_o law_n for_o the_o set_n up_o of_o church_n and_o discipline_n he_o cit_v several_a nonconformist_n against_o it_o without_o the_o magistrate_n p._n 78_o 79_o 80_o 81_o 82._o to_o all_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o two_o thing_n be_v express_o in_o these_o citation_n that_o make_v what_o they_o condemn_v not_o to_o reach_v our_o case_n for_o 1._o they_o condemn_v private_a man_n endeavour_v a_o public_a reformation_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o magistrate_n so_o it_o be_v thrice_o express_v p._n 81._o out_o of_o confut._n of_o the_o brownist_n now_o we_o meddle_v not_o with_o a_o public_a reformation_n otherwise_o than_o by_o our_o prayer_n and_o advice_n as_o we_o have_v occasion_n which_o be_v there_o also_o express_o allow_v by_o they_o but_o content_v ourselves_o to_o serve_v god_n private_o when_o we_o can_v do_v it_o public_o without_o sin._n to_o this_o same_o purpose_n be_v that_o which_o be_v cite_v out_o of_o giffard_n p._n 79._o that_o though_o every_o one_o ought_v to_o keep_v a_o good_a conscience_n yet_o no_o private_a person_n be_v to_o take_v on_o they_o public_a authority_n to_o reform_v if_o we_o do_v so_o blame_v we_o for_o it_o 2._o these_o nonconformist_n all_o along_o speak_v of_o private_a person_n reform_v the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n now_o what_o be_v do_v among_o we_o of_o that_o kind_n be_v do_v by_o minister_n who_o though_o in_o the_o state_n they_o be_v private_a person_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o meddle_v with_o matter_n of_o that_o concern_n yet_o in_o the_o church_n they_o be_v public_a person_n and_o have_v authority_n from_o god_n to_o dispense_v his_o ordinance_n but_o i_o do_v not_o by_o what_o i_o have_v say_v intend_v to_o homologate_v all_o that_o the_o dr._n cit_v out_o of_o these_o nonconformist_n several_a thing_n they_o assert_v that_o can_v well_o be_v defend_v but_o i_o shall_v not_o digress_v so_o far_o as_o to_o particularize_v they_o sect._n 22._o i_o shall_v only_o say_v that_o have_v this_o principle_n of_o not_o reform_v the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n by_o people_n among_o themselves_o till_o the_o magistrate_n give_v countenance_n take_v always_o place_n in_o the_o world_n not_o only_a christianity_n have_v not_o come_v in_o the_o place_n of_o judâ—ism_n but_o arrianism_n have_v extinguish_v the_o orthodox_n profession_n have_v we_o not_o example_n of_o people_n who_o be_v under_o arian_n bishop_n set_v up_o new_a bishop_n over_o themselves_o in_o epiphan_n haeres_fw-la 73_o do_v not_o hilary_n exhort_v the_o people_n to_o separate_v from_o auxentius_n their_o arian_n bishop_n adversus_fw-la arianos_fw-la when_o yet_o there_o be_v no_o orthodox_n magistrate_n to_o countenance_v these_o thing_n yea_o have_v this_o principle_n obtain_v there_o have_v be_v no_o reformation_n from_o popery_n in_o most_o place_n where_o now_o through_o the_o lord_n mercy_n it_o be_v say_v not_o that_o our_o reform_v of_o worship_n and_o discipline_n be_v not_o in_o thing_n of_o that_o moment_n for_o though_o that_o be_v true_a yet_o it_o be_v not_o of_o
either_o so_o undervalue_v conscience_n or_o reflect_v on_o the_o worthy_a person_n that_o answer_v his_o sermon_n if_o we_o can_v show_v plain_a and_o evident_a reason_n for_o what_o we_o say_v as_o he_o require_v we_o refuse_v not_o causa_fw-la cadere_fw-la sect._n 31._o he_o tell_v a_o very_a formal_a story_n p._n 51_o 52._o of_o the_o effect_n of_o his_o sermon_n of_o the_o mimic_n gesture_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n when_o it_o be_v speak_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o which_o history_n though_o i_o doubt_v i_o can_v disprove_v it_o neither_o be_v worth_a his_o writing_n nor_o my_o confute_v he_o think_v it_o lay_v at_o bottom_n of_o many_o man_n stomach_n that_o he_o do_v not_o persuade_v the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o the_o dissenter_n who_o do_v ever_o require_v that_o we_o pretend_v to_o no_o authority_n over_o she_o if_o she_o will_v have_v condescend_v to_o we_o for_o peace_n sake_n which_o that_o party_n talk_v so_o much_o of_o to_o forbear_v impose_v her_o unnecessary_a thing_n which_o we_o judge_v unlawful_a that_o shall_v have_v satisfy_v we_o but_o he_o think_v p._n 53._o it_o have_v be_v unseasonable_a to_o speak_v of_o alteration_n of_o law_n before_o magistrate_n who_o be_v tie_v to_o the_o law_n that_o such_o alteration_n be_v one_o of_o the_o weighty_a thing_n ans._n suppose_v as_o he_o there_o say_v his_o private_a opinion_n for_o abatement_n there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o propose_v the_o alteration_n of_o establish_v law_n but_o the_o expose_v of_o they_o that_o be_v under_o the_o lash_n of_o inconvenient_a law_n may_v well_o be_v forbear_v before_o the_o executor_n of_o these_o law_n by_o a_o man_n that_o think_v that_o abatement_n shall_v be_v make_v of_o the_o rigour_n of_o these_o law_n i_o do_v not_o think_v as_o he_o do_v that_o the_o alteration_n of_o every_o establish_v law_n be_v a_o matter_n of_o such_o weight_n as_o any_o thing_n that_o can_v be_v take_v into_o consideration_n provide_v the_o consideration_n about_o it_o be_v by_o such_o as_o have_v power_n to_o alter_v it_o what_o be_v more_o common_a than_o alter_v of_o law_n when_o they_o be_v find_v inconvenient_a our_o first_o reformer_n think_v not_o so_o under_o edward_n 6._o the_o liturgy_n and_o the_o law_n for_o it_o be_v alter_v when_o except_v against_o by_o mr._n calvin_n abroad_o and_o some_o zealot_n so_o the_o historian_n speak_v at_o home_n full._n chur._n hist._n 6_o 7._o p._n 386._o why_o may_v not_o this_o be_v do_v now_o when_o dissatisfaction_n be_v become_v more_o universal_a but_o it_o be_v a_o supposition_n that_o i_o can_v give_v no_o account_n of_o that_o the_o law_n against_o nonconformity_n for_o of_o these_o his_o discourse_n must_v be_v understand_v if_o it_o be_v at_o all_o to_o the_o purpose_n shall_v be_v so_o look_v on_o as_o that_o they_o concern_v the_o preservation_n of_o the_o church_n and_o religion_n that_o church_n and_o religion_n must_v stand_v on_o a_o totter_a foundation_n that_o can_v be_v preserve_v if_o those_o thing_n be_v lay_v aside_o which_o be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v indifferent_a but_o thus_o it_o be_v to_o dote_v on_o man_n invention_n it_o be_v ordinary_a to_o equal_v if_o not_o prefer_v they_o to_o christ_n institution_n mark_v 7._o 13._o mat._n 15._o 6._o qui_fw-la amat_fw-la ranam_fw-la ranam_fw-la putat_fw-la esse_fw-la dianam_fw-la sect._n 32._o but_o the_o dr._n be_v not_o content_a not_o to_o advise_v the_o alter_n of_o these_o law_n where_o it_o have_v not_o be_v very_o pertinent_a to_o propose_v it_o but_o he_o bring_v reason_n able_a as_o he_o think_v to_o preponderate_v all_o the_o consideration_n that_o any_o may_v use_v for_o change_v they_o these_o reason_n be_v in_o number_n six_o the_o 1._o be_v the_o impossibility_n of_o satisfy_v all_o dissenter_n must_v therefore_o none_o be_v satisfy_v because_o all_o can_v some_o will_v be_v satisfy_v if_o you_o will_v but_o forbear_v impose_v what_o god_n have_v not_o command_v other_o will_v not_o be_v satisfy_v unless_o you_o forbear_v also_o some_o of_o christ_n institution_n such_o as_o infant_n baptism_n be_v it_o reason_n to_o neglect_v the_o do_v the_o one_o of_o these_o for_o peace_n and_o unity_n because_o you_o can_v do_v the_o other_o the_o 2._o be_v the_o uncertainty_n of_o gain_v any_o considerable_a number_n by_o relaxation_n if_o any_o man_n look_v on_o this_o as_o uncertain_a it_o must_v be_v either_o because_o he_o know_v not_o what_o we_o scruple_n at_o or_o because_o he_o think_v we_o resolve_v to_o dissent_v without_o reason_n when_o the_o reason_n of_o our_o dissent_n be_v remove_v but_o i_o hope_v the_o dr._n be_v neither_o so_o ignorant_a nor_o so_o uncharitable_a he_o may_v be_v well_o assure_v that_o by_o relax_v the_o imposition_n of_o humane_a ceremony_n all_o the_o presbyterian_o shall_v be_v gain_v to_o join_v in_o worship_v of_o god_n with_o the_o present_a church_n and_o i_o hope_v he_o will_v not_o say_v that_o they_o be_v no_o considerable_a number_n in_o england_n his_o 3._o reason_n be_v the_o difficulty_n of_o keep_v faction_n out_o of_o the_o church_n consider_v the_o ungovernableness_n of_o some_o man_n temper_n and_o principle_n answ._n if_o the_o discipline_n that_o christ_n have_v institute_v be_v due_o exercise_v in_o the_o church_n that_o will_v either_o make_v man_n governable_a yea_o actual_o govern_v they_o or_o it_o will_v exclude_v they_o out_o of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o faction_n shall_v cease_v in_o the_o church_n but_o it_o be_v a_o strange_a piece_n of_o ecclesiastical_a policy_n on_o supposition_n that_o some_o will_v prove_v ungovernable_a to_o obtain_v the_o make_n of_o civil_a law_n for_o impose_v those_o thing_n on_o man_n conscience_n which_o the_o imposer_n count_v need_v note_n and_o they_o on_o who_o they_o be_v impose_v know_v they_o to_o be_v unlawful_a this_o be_v the_o way_n to_o make_v they_o ungovernable_a in_o reference_n to_o these_o particular_a imposition_n who_o will_v tame_o submit_v to_o any_o yoke_n that_o be_v not_o contrary_a to_o that_o of_o christ._n but_o it_o seem_v the_o dr._n look_v on_o all_o that_o scruple_n at_o human_a ceremony_n as_o ungovernable_a person_n and_o we_o rational_o think_v that_o his_o party_n be_v resolve_v that_o we_o shall_v either_o be_v govern_v by_o their_o will_n not_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n or_o they_o will_v take_v the_o most_o effectual_a way_n that_o they_o can_v to_o keep_v we_o out_o of_o their_o church_n i_o confess_v conscience_n be_v a_o ungovernable_a thing_n except_o by_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n but_o it_o be_v much_o the_o strain_n of_o some_o of_o his_o party_n i_o be_o confident_a the_o reverend_a dr._n do_v not_o mean_a so_o ill_o to_o ridicule_n and_o cry_v down_o conscience_n in_o private_a person_n that_o they_o may_v be_v govern_v by_o the_o public_a conscience_n a_o soloecism_n in_o divinity_n never_o hear_v of_o before_o i.e._n the_o will_n of_o the_o superior_n the_o thing_n to_o wit_n blind_a obedience_n be_v a_o old_a popish_a tool_n to_o enslave_v conscience_n but_o such_o a_o express_a affront_a of_o conscience_n god_n deputy_n in_o the_o soul_n be_v a_o new_a invention_n that_o this_o age_n be_v honour_v with_o sect._n 33._o his_o 4._o reason_n be_v the_o danger_n of_o break_v all_o in_o piece_n by_o a_o toleration_n ans._n toleration_n be_v both_o command_v in_o scripture_n rom._n 14._o 1._o eph._n 4._o 2_o 3._o in_o this_o last_o place_n it_o be_v join_v with_o endeavour_v after_o unity_n so_o far_o be_v it_o from_o be_v the_o way_n to_o break_v all_o in_o piece_n as_o the_o dr._n think_v it_o be_v also_o condemn_v rev._n 2._o 2_o 20._o wherefore_o it_o shall_v not_o have_v be_v so_o general_o censure_v as_o a_o church-ruining_a thing_n beside_o toleration_n be_v not_o that_o which_o we_o plead_v for_o in_o the_o first_o place_n but_o that_o the_o thing_n that_o grieve_v our_o conscience_n may_v be_v remove_v that_o so_o we_o may_v join_v with_o you_o in_o worship_v god_n in_o his_o own_o way_n that_o we_o may_v need_v no_o toleration_n but_o if_o that_o can_v be_v obtain_v our_o next_o desire_n be_v that_o we_o may_v be_v suffer_v to_o worship_n god_n in_o that_o way_n that_o be_v acceptable_a to_o he_o by_o ourselves_o when_o we_o can_v do_v it_o with_o you_o neither_o be_v it_o a_o vast_a and_o universal_a toleration_n of_o all_o blasphenius_fw-la heresy_n and_o vnpeaceableness_n that_o we_o contend_v for_o but_o a_o forbear_n of_o such_o as_o live_v peaceable_a in_o their_o dissent_n from_o you_o in_o the_o small_a concern_v of_o religion_n this_o toleration_n will_v break_v nothing_o in_o piece_n but_o the_o deny_v of_o it_o tend_v to_o break_v all_o in_o piece_n for_o while_o man_n have_v the_o use_n of_o their_o conscience_n they_o will_v dissent_n and_o serve_v god_n in_o the_o way_n that_o they_o
but_o hold_v it_o for_o a_o antichristian_a society_n and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v communicate_v with_o aâ—d_v that_o of_o the_o independent_o who_o own_v the_o congregation_n in_o england_n to_o be_v true_a church_n but_o think_v it_o unlawful_a to_o join_v with_o they_o because_o of_o the_o mixture_n of_o scandalous_a sinner_n with_o visible_a saint_n that_o be_v among_o they_o separation_n on_o the_o first_o ground_n be_v well_o refute_v by_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n and_o that_o of_o the_o second_o by_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n and_o other_o presbyteriâ—ns_n both_o these_o be_v active_a separation_n choose_v by_o the_o separate_a party_n and_o that_o on_o ground_n of_o dislike_n with_o the_o church_n that_o aâ—e_v indefensible_a but_o our_o separation_n if_o it_o may_v be_v so_o call_v be_v passive_a we_o be_v drive_v away_o we_o seek_v the_o communion_n of_o our_o brethren_n we_o be_v willing_a to_o bear_v wiâ—h_v many_o thing_n that_o be_v a_o burden_n to_o we_o and_o which_o we_o wish_v to_o be_v reform_v rather_o than_o have_v separate_a meeting_n we_o own_o the_o parish_n of_o england_n as_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n the_o petition_n for_o peace_n be_v a_o public_a and_o authentic_a witness_n of_o all_o this_o but_o our_o brethren_n will_v have_v no_o communion_n with_o we_o unless_o we_o will_v own_v the_o ceremony_n that_o they_o without_o any_o warrant_n from_o scripture_n impose_v on_o we_o which_o we_o can_v do_v without_o sin_v against_o god_n and_o wound_v our_o conscience_n and_o we_o can_v and_o do_v give_v good_a reâ—son_n and_o scripture-warrant_a for_o this_o our_o scruple_n let_v then_o any_o indifferent_a person_n judge_n whether_o it_o be_v fair_a deal_n to_o condemn_v our_o not_o join_v in_o the_o public_a worship_n of_o the_o church_n by_o the_o authority_n of_o they_o who_o condemn_v these_o forementioned_a separation_n but_o occaâ—â—on_n will_v be_v give_v to_o discourse_v this_o matter_n further_o wherefore_o i_o now_o forbear_v sect._n 8._o i_o hope_v what_o have_v be_v say_v will_v evince_v that_o the_o dr_n follow_v historical_a discourse_n have_v the_o fault_n call_v ignoratio_fw-la elenchi_fw-la run_v through_o the_o whole_a texture_n of_o it_o and_o that_o it_o do_v not_o tâ—uch_v the_o question_n in_o hand_n but_o i_o shall_v take_v a_o more_o particular_a yet_o transient_a view_v of_o it_o he_o say_v sect._n 8._o at_o the_o beginning_n the_o separation_n be_v now_o bâ—gâ—n_o the_o nonconformist_n set_v themselves_o with_o the_o great_a vehemency_n against_o it_o if_o the_o dr._n will_v prove_v any_o thing_n against_o we_o he_o must_v show_v that_o there_o be_v no_o forbear_n of_o public_a ordinance_n on_o account_n of_o scruple_v the_o ceremony_n by_o the_o nonconformist_n before_o this_o the_o contrary_a of_o which_o i_o have_v show_v also_o that_o it_o be_v separation_n on_o that_o account_n and_o no_o other_o that_o they_o write_v against_o the_o contrary_a of_o which_o be_v most_o evident_a he_o may_v know_v that_o the_o presbyterian_o now_o do_v differ_v nothing_o from_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n in_o this_o for_o they_o have_v as_o much_o set_v themselves_o against_o the_o same_o sort_n of_o separation_n and_o can_v make_v it_o appear_v that_o this_o be_v no_o way_n unsuitable_a to_o their_o own_o principle_n or_o practice_n it_o seem_v by_o what_o the_o dr._n cit_v out_o of_o mr._n parker_n that_o the_o separation_n be_v charge_v on_o he_o as_o lay_v a_o foundation_n for_o it_o by_o his_o principle_n just_a as_o it_o be_v now_o with_o we_o if_o the_o dr._n can_v charge_v any_o of_o we_o with_o bitterness_n and_o pride_n the_o two_o character_n give_v by_o parker_n to_o the_o separatist_n let_v the_o guilty_a bear_v their_o blame_n but_o i_o be_o sure_a our_o principle_n that_o he_o be_v angry_a with_o import_v no_o such_o thing_n and_o therefore_o such_o a_o oblique_a reflection_n on_o we_o in_o general_a be_v not_o brotherly_a deal_n we_o love_v not_o to_o recriminate_a sect._n 9_o he_o allege_v p._n 28._o that_o of_o the_o four_o reason_n publish_v by_o barrow_n and_o greenwood_n against_o the_o separation_n three_o of_o they_o be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o admonition_n give_v in_o by_o the_o nonconformist_n to_o the_o parliament_n he_o here_o expose_v these_o nonconformist_n that_o then_o be_v as_o very_o ridiculous_a man_n who_o lay_v down_o reason_n for_o separation_n and_o yet_o be_v so_o much_o against_o other_o man_n practise_v what_o they_o give_v reason_n for_o if_o he_o think_v they_o such_o man_n why_o will_v he_o bind_v we_o to_o their_o authority_n which_o be_v the_o tendency_n of_o this_o long_a discourse_n but_o the_o dr._n do_v both_o mistake_n and_o misrepresent_v this_o matter_n his_o mistake_n be_v in_o the_o admonition_n these_o thing_n be_v present_v as_o grievance_n to_o be_v redress_v not_o as_o ground_n of_o separation_n his_o misrepresentation_n be_v these_o monitor_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o the_o ministry_n government_n and_o worship_n as_o whole_o unlawful_a antichristian_a and_o false_a for_o they_o own_v the_o ministry_n and_o worship_n whatever_o thought_n they_o have_v of_o the_o government_n as_o right_v for_o the_o substance_n though_o vitiate_v by_o some_o modes_n adhere_v to_o they_o which_o they_o desire_v to_o be_v remove_v it_o be_v true_a gilford_n say_v they_o make_v a_o vile_a schism_n rend_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o do_v he_o not_o add_v and_o condemn_v by_o their_o assertioâ—s_n the_o whole_a visible_a church_n in_o the_o world_n even_o as_o the_o donatist_n do_v of_o old_a time_n which_o show_v that_o it_o be_v not_o scruple_v of_o humane_a ceremony_n that_o they_o be_v charge_v with_o but_o nullify_n of_o church_n because_o of_o some_o corruption_n in_o they_o gilford_n word_n that_o follow_v p._n 29._o we_o be_v not_o concern_v in_o we_o know_v that_o many_o be_v the_o sad_a effect_n of_o that_o separation_n divert_v people_n from_o the_o serious_a exercise_n of_o religion_n to_o jangle_n and_o it_o be_v not_o without_o this_o effect_n on_o some_o where_o the_o oppress_a party_n be_v innocent_a as_o to_o the_o main_a but_o that_o prove_v not_o that_o we_o shall_v comply_v with_o unscriptural_a ceremony_n to_o shun_v this_o evil_a but_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v impose_v on_o we_o as_o to_o gilford_n blame_v they_o for_o not_o come_v to_o the_o book-prayer_n this_o he_o speak_v without_o book_n either_o in_o the_o heat_n of_o disputation_n in_o which_o many_o do_v overreach_v or_o it_o be_v his_o opinion_n but_o be_v not_o we_o i_o agree_v with_o gilford_n that_o the_o corruption_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v not_o make_v her_o antichristian_a and_o therefore_o the_o brownist_n be_v to_o be_v blame_v in_o separate_v from_o she_o as_o antichristian_a not_o we_o who_o be_v ready_a to_o join_v with_o she_o as_o a_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o can_v digest_v her_o humane_a ceremony_n in_o divine_a worship_n that_o gilford_n be_v a_o nonconformist_a the_o dr._n need_v not_o to_o be_v at_o so_o much_o pain_n to_o prove_v that_o all_o nonconformist_n be_v fallible_a man_n and_o some_o of_o they_o mistake_v in_o some_o thing_n we_o willing_o grant_v we_o also_o close_o with_o what_o his_o next_o author_n say_v p._n 30._o that_o he_o be_v a_o member_n of_o that_o church_n where_o he_o be_v by_o providence_n place_v and_o that_o he_o ought_v not_o to_o separate_v from_o it_o while_o it_o be_v a_o true_a church_n only_o with_o this_o exception_n unless_o that_o church_n require_v i_o to_o sin_n and_o if_o i_o will_v not_o do_v so_o exclude_v i_o which_o exception_n it_o can_v not_o be_v expect_v that_o he_o shall_v mention_v that_o not_o belong_v to_o the_o thing_n then_o controverâ—ed_v it_o be_v hard_a for_o a_o controversal_a writer_n to_o guard_v his_o word_n against_o all_o exception_n that_o contingent_a case_n not_o yet_o think_v on_o may_v afford_v the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v answer_v to_o his_o citation_n out_o of_o mr._n bernard_n and_o the_o confutation_n of_o the_o error_n of_o the_o separatist_n dâ—ne_v in_o name_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n so_o that_o this_o whole_a discourse_n of_o the_o doctor_n be_v be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sect._n 10._o he_o think_v sect._n 9_o to_o parallel_v our_o withdraw_n from_o the_o ceremony_n with_o the_o separation_n of_o the_o brownist_n for_o if_o that_o be_v not_o design_v i_o know_v not_o what_o his_o discourse_n tend_v to_o by_o set_v down_o the_o concession_n of_o these_o separatist_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v sound_a and_o save_a that_o they_o will_v not_o separate_v for_o every_o blemish_n in_o the_o church_n so_o far_o we_o agree_v but_o they_o plead_v say_v he_o that_o the_o corruption_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v such_o as_o overthrow_v the_o
with_o one_o another_o for_o that_o end_n sect._n 12._o next_o he_o enquire_v whether_o the_o rule_n here_o mention_v be_v the_o rule_n of_o mutual_a forbearance_n i_o think_v the_o question_n shall_v rather_o be_v whether_o it_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o god_n make_v or_o of_o man_n make_v whatever_o the_o rule_n be_v in_o particular_a tirinus_n say_v regulam_fw-la hic_fw-la intelligit_fw-la a_o christo_fw-la &_o apostolis_n ejus_fw-la praescriptam_fw-la zanchius_n doctrinam_fw-la quam_fw-la modo_fw-la tradidit_fw-la summam_fw-la doctrinae_fw-la chrâ—stianae_n tum_fw-la de_fw-la dâ—gmatibus_fw-la tum_fw-la de_fw-la moribus_fw-la doctrinam_fw-la fidei_fw-la say_v estius_n &_o menochius_fw-la grotius_n say_v etiam_fw-la qui_fw-la de_fw-la riâ—ibus_fw-la &_o circumcisione_n aliter_fw-la sentiunt_fw-la interim_n sâ—iant_a evangelij_fw-la praecepta_fw-la quae_fw-la divina_fw-la esse_fw-la per_fw-la svas_fw-la sunt_fw-la sibi_fw-la esse_fw-la sequenda_fw-la if_o the_o dr._n can_v prove_v this_o rule_n to_o be_v a_o humane_a rule_n he_o will_v gain_v much_o by_o this_o scripture_n otherwise_o nothing_o at_o all_o we_o be_v content_a to_o follow_v a_o divine_a rule_n for_o attain_v peace_n in_o the_o church_n it_o do_v indeed_o forbid_v peevish_a divide_v of_o the_o church_n by_o injoin_v to_o hold_v to_o the_o same_o rule_n but_o the_o divider_n be_v not_o they_o that_o be_v content_a to_o follow_v all_o christ_n rule_n but_o they_o that_o make_v rule_n of_o their_o own_o and_o will_v tear_v the_o church_n in_o piece_n rather_o than_o these_o shall_v not_o be_v observe_v the_o three_o thing_n he_o enquire_v into_o be_v what_o influence_n this_o rule_n have_v on_o our_o case_n he_o say_v it_o oblige_v to_o go_v as_o far_o as_o we_o can_v this_o be_v confess_v but_o then_o we_o say_v it_o be_v a_o divine_a and_o not_o humane_a rule_n that_o must_v show_v how_o far_o we_o can_v i._n e._n ought_v to_o go_v he_o say_v when_o we_o can_v go_v no_o further_o we_o must_v sit_v down_o quiet_o and_o wait_v for_o further_a instruction_n and_o not_o divide_v the_o church_n ans._n when_o the_o apostle_n speak_v ver_fw-la 15._o of_o god_n further_o instruct_v they_o that_o mistake_v i_o suppose_v it_o express_v rather_o the_o hope_n that_o the_o sound_a part_n shall_v have_v of_o they_o that_o be_v short_a in_o knowledge_n which_o shall_v make_v they_o not_o over-drive_a they_o as_o our_o brethren_n will_v do_v with_o we_o than_o what_o be_v their_o duty_n i_o be_o far_o from_o say_v that_o it_o be_v man_n duty_n to_o break_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n but_o i_o be_o sure_a two_o thing_n be_v far_o from_o be_v the_o apostle_n scope_n to_o enjoin_v such_o doubt_a christian_n 1._o that_o they_o shall_v go_v over_o the_o belly_n of_o their_o light_n to_o join_v with_o they_o that_o they_o differ_v from_o either_o in_o the_o principle_n or_o the_o practice_n that_o they_o scruple_n 2._o that_o if_o they_o can_v have_v communion_n in_o ordinance_n with_o they_o unless_o they_o thus_o sin_v against_o light_n that_o they_o shall_v live_v without_o the_o ordinance_n none_o of_o these_o we_o have_v any_o rule_n for_o in_o the_o gospel_n and_o therefore_o do_v of_o these_o be_v not_o walk_v by_o any_o rule_n that_o the_o apostle_n here_o mean_v the_o dr._n say_v p._n 171._o this_o rule_n in_o order_n to_o peace_n require_v the_o observe_n of_o such_o thing_n which_o although_o they_o be_v not_o particular_o appoint_v by_o god_n yet_o be_v enjoin_v by_o lawful_a authority_n and_o not_o repugnant_a to_o the_o word_n i_o wish_v the_o dr._n have_v prove_v that_o the_o apostle_n give_v any_o warrant_n to_o observe_v such_o thing_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n we_o deny_v it_o it_o be_v fallacious_a to_o propose_v his_o distinction_n of_o thing_n not_o particular_o appoint_v by_o god_n but_o appoint_v by_o lawful_a authority_n but_o let_v we_o see_v a_o general_a rule_n from_o the_o word_n for_o what_o we_o scruple_n and_o that_o will_v satisfy_v we_o or_o let_v we_o see_v what_o authority_n man_n have_v to_o appoint_v any_o thing_n that_o be_v in_o statu_fw-la cultus_fw-la or_o religioso_fw-la that_o god_n have_v not_o appoint_v it_o be_v most_o false_o assert_v p._n 172._o that_o because_o the_o apostle_n decree_v against_o a_o plausible_a pretence_n of_o conscience_n about_o abstain_v from_o blood_n etc._n etc._n the_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n he_o have_v now_o change_v the_o stile_n it_o use_v to_o be_v the_o magistrate_n by_o parity_n of_o reason_n may_v determine_v those_o thing_n which_o they_o think_v conduce_v most_o to_o the_o peace_n and_o welfare_n of_o the_o church_n which_o they_o be_v bind_v to_o preserve_v for_o to_o give_v any_o colour_n of_o truth_n to_o this_o assertion_n he_o must_v prove_v 1._o that_o ordinary_a church-governor_n have_v as_o much_o power_n as_o the_o apostle_n in_o such_o case_n 2._o that_o there_o be_v a_o parity_n of_o reason_n for_o the_o thing_n determine_v by_o our_o church-guide_n and_o those_o by_o the_o apostle_n these_o be_v necessary_a and_o the_o apostle_n decree_v find_v they_o so_o and_o have_v its_o rise_n from_o this_o necessity_n the_o ceremony_n be_v confess_v to_o be_v indifferent_a and_o to_o have_v no_o necessity_n but_o what_o it_o please_v the_o church_n or_o magistrate_n to_o give_v they_o sect._n 13._o he_o say_v p._n 173_o in_o answer_n to_o another_o of_o his_o opposer_n that_o the_o apostle_n give_v bind_v rule_n to_o particular_a church_n which_o be_v not_o extant_a in_o scripture_n as_o appear_v by_o 1_o cor._n 7._o 17._o ans._n 1._o this_o rule_n be_v express_o say_v to_o be_v give_v in_o all_o church_n not_o to_o any_o church_n in_o particular_a 2._o that_o this_o rule_n be_v not_o extant_a in_o scripture_n be_v false_a for_o it_o be_v extant_a in_o this_o place_n 3._o this_o rule_n that_o a_o man_n shall_v keep_v within_o his_o station_n be_v no_o prudential_a rule_n of_o order_n and_o government_n as_o the_o dr._n hint_v but_o a_o principle_n of_o the_o moral_a law._n 4._o we_o be_v content_a to_o submit_v to_o all_o rule_n that_o can_v be_v just_o prove_v out_o of_o or_o infer_v from_o scripture_n though_o they_o be_v not_o in_o terminis_fw-la extant_a there_o but_o the_o rule_n for_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n be_v none_o of_o these_o sect_n vi_o the_o dr_n argument_n against_o independent_a separation_n consider_v in_o so_o far_o as_o they_o may_v be_v think_v to_o reach_v presbyterian_o from_o sect._n 21._o and_o forward_o the_o reverend_a author_n insist_v on_o the_o charge_n of_o schism_n against_o those_o that_o deny_v any_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o be_v lawful_a to_o wit_n in_o partake_v of_o the_o ordinance_n with_o they_o who_o deny_v they_o though_o true_a church_n in_o some_o sense_n to_o be_v such_o church_n as_o they_o can_v abide_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o and_o therefore_o must_v keep_v separate_a meeting_n which_o they_o own_v as_o other_o church_n distinct_a from_o the_o patrochial_a church_n he_o aim_v i_o suppose_v especial_o at_o the_o independent_o i_o be_o not_o of_o that_o persuasion_n and_o therefore_o leave_v the_o patrociny_n of_o it_o to_o they_o that_o be_v yet_o because_o many_o of_o the_o dr_n argument_n against_o their_o separation_n may_v be_v think_v by_o the_o unwary_a reader_n to_o militate_v also_o against_o the_o meeting_n of_o the_o presbyterian_o i_o must_v not_o whole_o pass_v over_o this_o part_n of_o his_o book_n but_o i_o shall_v answer_v his_o argument_n so_o far_o only_o as_o they_o may_v be_v think_v to_o condemn_v our_o principle_n and_o practice_n sect._n 2._o before_o i_o examine_v his_o argument_n i_o shall_v show_v two_o considerable_a difference_n between_o our_o withdraw_n from_o the_o church_n and_o that_o of_o the_o independent_o 1._o they_o have_v more_o ground_n on_o which_o they_o separate_v than_o we_o and_o consequent_o more_o be_v require_v to_o bring_v they_o back_o to_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n than_o be_v to_o bring_v we_o to_o it_o for_o we_o withdraw_v as_o they_o also_o do_v because_o of_o the_o liturgy_n cross_v in_o baptism_n kneel_v in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n observe_v of_o holiday_n if_o the_o church_n will_v either_o remove_v these_o or_o bear_v with_o we_o in_o they_o we_o be_v ready_a to_o join_v with_o she_o in_o act_n of_o communion_n but_o beside_o these_o they_o separate_v because_o of_o the_o wrong_a constitution_n of_o the_o church_n in_o her_o member_n want_v of_o a_o right_a discipline_n fault_n in_o the_o election_n and_o ordination_n of_o minister_n though_o the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n be_v not_o they_o will_v still_o separate_v as_o they_o do_v from_o the_o presbyterian_a church_n where_o these_o be_v not_o 2._o they_o separate_z because_o these_o be_v use_v we_o only_o because_o they_o be_v impose_v as_o necessary_a term_n of_o our_o be_v admit_v to_o
gift_n and_o do_v not_o cross_v christ_n institution_n whatever_o inconvenience_n may_v be_v in_o they_o 3._o nor_o do_v we_o deny_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o a_o presidency_n among_o presbyter_n in_o the_o person_n of_o one_o of_o they_o nature_n make_v it_o necessary_a that_o one_o shall_v preside_v in_o a_o meeting_n to_o shun_v confusion_n and_o christ_n have_v not_o institute_v the_o duration_n of_o one_o man_n presidency_n whether_o for_o one_o meeting_n for_o a_o month_n or_o year_n or_o during_o his_o life_n and_o therefore_o the_o church_n may_v determine_v in_o that_o yet_o we_o must_v add_v that_o the_o perpetuate_n of_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o make_v a_o moderator_n constant_a have_v be_v of_o old_a and_o late_a the_o mean_n of_o bring_v in_o a_o lordly_a prelacy_n and_o corruption_n of_o ambitious_a man_n be_v so_o apt_a to_o improve_v it_o that_o way_n so_o that_o the_o papal_a chair_n have_v arisen_a from_o this_o low_a and_o blameless_a foundation_n we_o think_v it_o high_o inconvenient_a 4._o neither_o do_v we_o deny_v that_o among_o minister_n the_o wise_a grave_a and_o man_n of_o more_o holiness_n and_o experience_n shall_v by_o their_o reason_n prevail_v over_o those_o that_o be_v not_o so_o well_o qualify_v it_o be_v superiority_n of_o power_n that_o be_v in_o question_n between_o we_o and_o our_o brethren_n yea_o we_o deny_v not_o but_o some_o of_o opinion_n for_o parity_n of_o power_n have_v overbear_v their_o brethren_n through_o their_o loftiness_n of_o spirit_n a_o episcopal_a temper_n may_v be_v in_o a_o presbyterian_a it_o be_v not_o man_n corruption_n but_o their_o principle_n that_o our_o debate_n be_v about_o 5._o we_o deny_v not_o but_o the_o name_n bishop_n that_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v common_a to_o all_o elders_n of_o the_o church_n begin_v very_o early_o to_o be_v appropriate_v to_o the_o moderator_n who_o also_o be_v call_v primus_fw-la presbyter_n and_o that_o this_o priority_n for_o as_o small_a as_o it_o be_v be_v too_o much_o affect_v and_o take_v notice_n of_o even_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n diotrephes_n who_o be_v say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d jo._n 3._o 9_o i_o e._n affect_a to_o be_v primus_fw-la presbyter_n have_v a_o great_a mind_n to_o that_o dignity_n but_o this_o be_v when_o â—ew_a of_o the_o apostle_n be_v now_o alive_a it_o be_v neither_o the_o presidency_n nor_o the_o precedency_n that_o we_o debate_v about_o but_o the_o imparity_n of_o church-power_n or_o authority_n 6._o we_o deny_v not_o that_o prelatical_a usurpation_n obtain_v in_o some_o place_n and_o be_v snatch_v at_o in_o other_o place_n while_o yet_o the_o ancient_a order_n of_o parity_n among_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n be_v in_o most_o place_n retain_v 7._o though_o we_o deny_v that_o diocesan_n episcopacy_n prevail_v in_o the_o church_n for_o the_o first_o three_o hundred_o year_n or_o that_o it_o be_v general_a in_o the_o four_o century_n and_o be_v willing_a to_o enter_v the_o list_n with_o our_o brethren_n in_o this_o debate_n about_o the_o first_o and_o pure_a antiquity_n of_o church-government_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o man_n authority_n but_o divine_a institution_n that_o we_o be_v determiend_n by_o and_o lay_v the_o stress_n of_o our_o cause_n upon_o and_o will_v admit_v of_o no_o absolute_a rule_n of_o judge_v in_o this_o controversy_n but_o the_o scripture_n sect._n 3_o it_o may_v have_v be_v expect_v that_o the_o dr._n when_o he_o will_v charge_v we_o with_o so_o great_a blame_n as_o he_o do_v in_o not_o submit_v to_o the_o authority_n of_o prelate_n shall_v have_v prove_v the_o divine_a institution_n or_o at_o least_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o that_o office_n and_o answer_v the_o argument_n that_o our_o writer_n bring_v against_o it_o this_o be_v the_o way_n to_o satisfy_v man_n conscience_n but_o the_o dr._n be_v please_v to_o take_v a_o easy_a though_o not_o so_o persuasive_a a_o way_n to_o wit_n to_o refute_v mr._n b_n assertion_n about_o episcopacy_n and_o to_o prove_v some_o thing_n that_o be_v short_a of_o the_o main_a thing_n that_o be_v in_o question_n as_o i_o hope_v shall_v appear_v in_o our_o progress_n and_o i_o have_v often_o observe_v that_o the_o confidence_n of_o our_o brethren_n assertion_n in_o this_o controversy_n be_v too_o big_a for_o the_o strength_n and_o concludency_n of_o their_o argument_n sect._n 4._o it_o will_v contribute_v to_o our_o clear_a and_o sure_o procedure_v in_o this_o controversy_n if_o we_o consider_v the_o difference_n and_o inconsistency_n that_o be_v among_o our_o prelatical_a brethren_n about_o the_o episcopacy_n that_o they_o assert_v and_o the_o foundation_n on_o which_o they_o build_v it_o as_o to_o the_o thing_n some_o of_o they_o do_v so_o restrain_v the_o power_n of_o bishop_n deny_v both_o sole_a ordination_n and_o sole_a jurisdiction_n to_o they_o that_o they_o make_v it_o little_a or_o no_o more_o but_o a_o presidency_n so_o the_o learned_a and_o pious_a usher_n who_o be_v follow_v by_o many_o of_o the_o more_o sober_a and_o learned_a of_o that_o party_n grotius_n also_o go_v this_o way_n de_fw-fr imper._n sum_fw-la potest_fw-la circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la p._n 337._o other_o allow_v they_o jurisdiction_n over_o other_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o exempt_v they_o from_o be_v liable_a to_o the_o censure_n of_o their_o brethren_n yet_o so_o as_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o rule_v by_o themselves_o but_o with_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n who_o be_v to_o be_v their_o counsel_n our_o author_n iren._n p._n 309._o say_v that_o both_o jerom_n and_o ignatius_n agree_v that_o the_o counsel_n of_o presbyter_n be_v of_o divine_a institution_n other_o be_v for_o their_o monarchial_a power_n in_o their_o several_a diocese_n neither_o be_v oblige_v to_o take_v the_o counsel_n of_o the_o presbyter_n nor_o be_v liable_a to_o their_o censure_n so_o the_o generality_n of_o our_o high_a churchman_n some_o make_v the_o bishop_n the_o sole_a pastor_n of_o the_o diocese_n and_o all_o the_o parochial_a clergy_n to_o be_v but_o his_o curate_n other_o think_v the_o parochial_a pastor_n to_o be_v substitute_n or_o delegate_v to_o none_o but_o christ_n some_o think_v the_o bishop_n work_n be_v to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o administer_v sacrament_n in_o his_o own_o person_n and_o that_o this_o he_o shall_v be_v constant_o exercise_v in_o other_o that_o his_o work_n be_v to_o rule_v and_o that_o he_o need_v not_o trouble_v himself_o with_o other_o work_n unless_o he_o please_v some_o allow_v the_o bishop_n a_o power_n of_o delegate_a his_o authority_n not_o of_o dispense_n the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n only_o but_o of_o government_n and_o discipline_n to_o other_o yea_o to_o layman_n that_o by_o they_o he_o may_v excommunicate_v and_o judge_v minister_n and_o people_n other_o think_v that_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o do_v so_o so_o i_o think_v that_o it_o be_v inconsistent_a with_o the_o office_n of_o a_o bishop_n to_o be_v employ_v 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that_o be_v debate_v about_o in_o the_o write_n of_o our_o prelatical_a brethren_n sect._n 5._o there_o be_v as_o little_a agreement_n or_o distinctness_n among_o they_o about_o the_o foundation_n on_o which_o the_o office_n of_o a_o diocesan_n bishop_n stand_v some_o of_o they_o be_v for_o iâ—s_n divine_a right_n as_o be_v institute_v by_o christ_n but_o this_o plea_n they_o find_v so_o hard_o to_o be_v manage_v and_o to_o have_v so_o ill_a success_n and_o to_o be_v so_o little_a the_o way_n to_o preferment_n as_o derogate_a from_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o magistrate_n that_o most_o have_v lay_v it_o aside_o other_o that_o it_o be_v of_o apostolic_a institution_n be_v not_o command_v by_o christ_n but_o prudent_o settle_v by_o the_o apostle_n other_o that_o it_o be_v juris_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la bring_v in_o by_o the_o primitive_a church_n afâ—er_v the_o decease_n of_o all_o the_o
cor._n 12._o 28._o as_o grotius_n and_o hammond_n both_o of_o they_o also_o make_v he_o to_o be_v mean_v by_o government_n and_o the_o same_o two_o author_n in_o the_o same_o verse_n by_o teacher_n understand_v the_o same_o officer_n they_o will_v be_v sure_a to_o find_v he_o somewhere_o but_o this_o very_a uncertainty_n where_o to_o fix_v he_o be_v a_o token_n that_o he_o be_v no_o where_o to_o be_v find_v be_v it_o imaginable_a that_o the_o apostle_n in_o a_o list_n of_o church-officer_n set_v down_o in_o so_o few_o word_n will_v use_v such_o repetition_n when_o so_o learned_a man_n be_v put_v to_o such_o shift_n it_o be_v a_o sign_n the_o cause_n be_v so_o weak_a that_o it_o afford_v no_o better_a reason_n to_o defend_v it_o by_o that_o they_o be_v not_o mean_v by_o teacher_n i_o have_v already_o show_v neither_o be_v they_o mean_v by_o help_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d say_v grotius_n significat_fw-la curam_fw-la rei_fw-la alicujus_fw-la gerere_fw-la this_o be_v say_v without_o 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this_o to_o be_v according_a to_o institution_n as_o this_o officer_n must_v do_v he_o be_v a_o distinct_a officer_n from_o the_o teacher_n i_o conclude_v if_o the_o apostle_n have_v intend_v to_o set_v forth_o to_o we_o such_o a_o eminent_a officer_n of_o the_o church_n we_o may_v have_v expect_v he_o shall_v have_v if_o not_o clear_o yet_o to_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o a_o inquisitive_a mind_n set_v he_o down_o in_o some_o of_o these_o catâ—logues_n which_o be_v not_o do_v sect._n 13._o argument_n four_o the_o power_n that_o we_o read_v of_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v never_o exercise_v by_o any_o ordinary_a officer_n alone_o but_o by_o the_o church-guide_n in_o common_a ergo_fw-la there_o be_v no_o diocesan_n bishop_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n and_o if_o we_o have_v no_o warrant_n there_o our_o scruple_v to_o own_o such_o a_o one_o be_v not_o unreasonable_a that_o church-power_n be_v so_o exercise_v i_o prove_v by_o instance_n leave_v to_o our_o brethren_n if_o they_o can_v to_o bring_v instance_n to_o the_o contrary_n first_o ordination_n be_v perform_v by_o presbyter_n in_o common_a 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o it_o be_v a_o groundless_a notion_n that_o some_o man_n of_o great_a name_n and_o worth_n have_v on_o this_o place_n that_o presbytery_n be_v mean_v of_o the_o office_n for_o both_o it_o be_v a_o harsh_a phrase_n the_o hand_n of_o the_o office_n and_o further_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v often_o use_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n yet_o be_v never_o use_v for_o the_o office_n but_o for_o the_o college_n of_o presbyter_n the_o office_n be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d say_v camerarius_fw-la other_o say_v that_o by_o the_o presbytery_n here_o be_v mean_v the_o company_n of_o the_o apostle_n who_o be_v call_v presbyter_n this_o can_v be_v for_o the_o apostle_n ascribe_v to_o himself_o a_o special_a concern_v above_o other_o in_o the_o ordination_n of_o timothy_n 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o which_o he_o will_v not_o have_v do_v if_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n equal_a in_o authority_n with_o himself_o have_v concur_v but_o may_v well_o do_v it_o when_o he_o as_o chief_a and_o the_o ordinary_a pastor_n as_o subordinate_a do_v join_v in_o this_o action_n for_o it_o be_v the_o observation_n of_o camerarius_fw-la on_o this_o text_n the_o apostle_n do_v not_o use_v their_o extraordinary_a power_n often_o but_o when_o the_o church_n be_v constitute_v act_v in_o conjunction_n with_o the_o ordinary_a pastor_n and_o there_o be_v good_a reason_n for_o this_o to_o wit_n both_o that_o the_o church-guide_n may_v know_v that_o apostolic_a power_n be_v not_o always_o to_o continue_v among_o they_o and_o that_o they_o may_v learn_v the_o way_n of_o church-administrations_a which_o they_o behove_v to_o exercise_v by_o themselves_o when_o the_o apostle_n be_v go_v sect._n 14._o another_o instance_n be_v in_o excommunication_n which_o the_o apostle_n injoin_v the_o ordinary_a elders_n of_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n to_o exercise_v against_o the_o incestuous_a man_n he_o direct_v his_o injunction_n not_o to_o a_o single_a bishop_n but_o to_o a_o company_n of_o man_n 1_o cor._n 5._o that_o they_o be_v gather_v together_o shall_v deliver_v he_o to_o satan_n vers_fw-la 4_o 5._o that_o they_o shall_v purge_v out_o that_o old_a leaven_n vers_fw-la 7._o that_o it_o be_v their_o part_n not_o a_o single_a person_n part_n to_o judge_v the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n vers_fw-la 12._o that_o they_o shall_v put_v away_o the_o wicked_a person_n vers_fw-la 13._o and_o speak_v of_o this_o sentence_n 2_o cor._n 2._o 6._o he_o express_o say_v it_o be_v do_v by_o many_o and_o ascribe_v the_o power_n of_o forgive_a i._n e._n absolve_v from_o the_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n to_o they_o not_o to_o one_o man._n what_o ever_o different_a thought_n man_n may_v have_v about_o this_o deliver_n to_o satan_n or_o about_o the_o apostle_n interest_n in_o this_o action_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o here_o be_v church-power_n adjudge_v which_o imply_v authority_n exercise_v by_o a_o community_n a_o three_o instance_n of_o this_o be_v 2_o thes._n 3._o 14._o where_o a_o community_n not_o a_o single_a person_n be_v command_v to_o note_n they_o that_o be_v disobedient_a to_o paul_n admonition_n in_o his_o epistle_n this_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v as_o some_o take_v it_o of_o note_v the_o disobedient_a person_n in_o a_o epistle_n that_o they_o shall_v write_v to_o paul_n for_o first_o the_o emphatic_a particle_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d put_v before_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d denote_v that_o epistle_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o apostle_n now_o write_v not_o a_o epistle_n that_o they_o shall_v write_v second_o the_o greek_a word_n will_v not_o bear_v that_o signification_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d here_o use_v be_v note_n or_o set_v a_o mark_n on_o he_o to_o signify_v or_o give_v notice_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o word_n have_v sure_o be_v use_v if_o the_o 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officer_n in_o the_o church_n sect._n 15._o other_o argument_n from_o scripture_n may_v be_v bring_v but_o i_o shall_v not_o now_o insist_v on_o they_o have_v maintain_v some_o of_o they_o against_o this_o learned_a author_n in_o my_o animadversion_n on_o his_o irenicum_fw-la wherefore_o i_o shall_v only_o add_v a_o five_o argument_n as_o a_o ground_n of_o our_o scruple_n from_o some_o testimony_n of_o the_o judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n that_o succeed_v to_o the_o apostle_n this_o may_v the_o more_o heighten_v our_o scruple_n that_o our_o brethren_n lay_v the_o stress_n of_o their_o cause_n on_o the_o ancient_a church_n if_o we_o can_v find_v there_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o a_o diocesan_n bishop_n but_o much_o to_o the_o contrary_a they_o ought_v not_o to_o blame_v we_o if_o we_o can_v with_o
priest_n that_o be_v open_o so_o yet_o he_o may_v present_v a_o protestant_n in_o masquerade_n or_o one_o of_o the_o mean_a of_o man_n for_o part_n and_o other_o quality_n of_o a_o minister_n which_o it_o be_v know_v they_o often_o do_v when_o yet_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n can_v haâ—dly_o reâ—ch_v the_o man._n and_o a_o debauch_a patron_n may_v present_v one_o who_o will_v not_o reprove_v he_o too_o severe_o who_o yet_o may_v have_v qualification_n to_o satisfy_v the_o law._n but_o the_o dissension_n that_o arise_v among_o a_o divide_a people_n may_v be_v remedy_v by_o church_n discipline_n or_o if_o they_o break_v out_o into_o external_a disorder_n by_o the_o magistrate_n 3._o bâ—cause_v say_v he_o other_o reform_a church_n have_v think_v this_o a_o unreasonable_a pretence_n answ._n man_n authority_n must_v not_o preponderate_v with_o we_o against_o that_o of_o christ._n he_o prove_v what_o he_o say_v 1._o by_o beza_n declaim_v against_o popular_a election_n see_v this_o in_o bâ—z_n ep._n 83._o answ._n beza_n speak_v only_o against_o election_n by_o the_o people_n without_o their_o church-guides_a to_o manage_v they_o in_o that_o action_n the_o lutheran_n church_n that_o he_o next_o add_v be_v no_o example_n to_o we_o their_o way_n be_v much_o applaud_v by_o the_o church_n of_o england_n man_n much_o more_o than_o the_o way_n of_o englâ—nd_n be_v by_o they_o for_o as_o pezel_n melâ—fic_n â—ist_v part_n 3._o p._n 345._o observe_v none_o do_v more_o fierce_o persecute_v the_o exile_n in_o qu._n mary_n day_n than_o they_o do_v in_o denmark_n lubeck_n rostoch_n and_o especial_o at_o hamburgh_n the_o salvo_n of_o the_o synod_n of_o dort_n show_v that_o they_o do_v not_o allow_v patronage_n but_o must_v proceed_v wary_o in_o remove_v they_o which_o have_v be_v the_o case_n of_o other_o church_n but_o make_v against_o the_o â—_z opinion_n not_o foâ—_n it_o that_o the_o minister_n in_o france_n or_o the_o council_n of_o state_n at_o genâ—va_n choose_v minister_n and_o obtrude_v they_o on_o the_o people_n without_o their_o consent_n we_o deny_v sect._n 28._o i_o have_v by_o what_o be_v say_v preoccupy_v most_o of_o the_o doctor_n be_v reason_n against_o mr._n b._n contain_v sect._n 26._o i_o shall_v only_o take_v notice_n of_o a_o few_o thing_n we_o make_v void_a no_o law_n about_o patronage_n but_o so_o far_o as_o they_o respect_v the_o people_n right_a of_o choose_v a_o pastor_n for_o their_o soul_n and_o thus_o far_o they_o be_v cassate_fw-it by_o the_o law_n of_o â—hrist_n as_o to_o temple_n and_o tithe_n as_o he_o speak_v we_o meddle_v not_o with_o law_n about_o they_o only_o we_o wish_v the_o remove_n of_o they_o as_o a_o grievance_n and_o that_o ruler_n will_v provide_v for_o the_o church_n in_o a_o way_n that_o the_o people_n right_a of_o election_n may_v not_o be_v hinder_v nor_o restrain_v in_o its_o exercise_n mr._n b._n object_v p._n 330._o that_o the_o patron_n by_o give_v a_o right_a to_o temple_n and_o tithe_n do_v not_o make_v 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