Enoch and the rest of the holy fathers did beléeue before the floud we beléeue as Abraham Isaack Iaacob did beléeue the other godly patriarkes before the time of Christ we beléeue as the blessed Apostles of our Lord other holy teachers in the Church a loÌ„g time after theÌ„ did But you Papists when you speake of the forefathers let passe all these which are the most auncient and most principall draw vs to a few of your owne which haue bene within these seuen or eight hundred yeares in which time religion hath bene corrupted and the great Antichrist for the most part of this time hath preuailed If we cannot proue our faith to be the faith of Abraham let it be counted new and let vs be taken for heretickes Pa. If this were true that you beleeue as the holy fathers before the flouâ—d as the Patriarkes after the floud as the Apostles of Christ then doubtlesse you are in the right way but these are but words how will ye proue this we say still you are heretickes and fallen away from the faith of these and we proue it by this reason because ye are fallen away from the faith of those forefathers which succeeded these For the fathers of our Church are the successors of the Apostles therefore you being fallen from them are fallen from the Apostles Pro. Then ye graunt that those haue the truth on their side which beléeue as the Apostles Prophets Patriarches did It remaineth only in tryall which of vs hold that faith which they did We proue that we do because we acknowledge nothing but the holy doctrine of the Bible vpoÌ„ which their faith was grounded You bring for your proofe the doctrine successioÌ„ of some meÌ„ for certaine hundred yeares Let vs now sée who bringeth the best and surest proofe say what ye can to weaken ours then I wil shew that the fathers which you boast of from whom we separate our selues are no successors of the Apostles and therefore in departing from them we depart not from the Apostles whose doctrine we hold Pa. What are ye the better to say ye bring the Scriptures and ye beleeue nothing but the Scriptures and ye will be tried by the Scriptures By this you proue that you beleeue as the Apostles and Prophets did your reason is not good because the Scriptures are hard to be vnderstood who shall iudge which is the true sense and meaning of them who shall tell ye how the Apostles and forefathers did vnderstand them Shall not the Church If ye may take them after your owne interpretation then ye will do well enough but the Church which we are is to interprete them and therefore we do still condemne you and all other heretikes although ye alleadge the Scriptures neuer so much because you do but abuse them as the diuell did when he tempted Christ Therfore ye must bring better reason then this to proue that ye hold the ancient Catholike faith for this doth not proue it Pro. Oh what a trim shift is this here is as pretie a iugling cast as euer the diuell could play to bleare the eyes of the simple and vnskilfull to make them beleeue that the scriptures are nothing without the interpretation of the Church of Rome Each man must light his candle there or els he shall go in the dark This is one of the most subtill and craftie cauils which you Papistes can make and one of the strongest pillers which your kingdome is built vpon For when ye cannot denie but that the Scriptures doe speake for vs then ye flie to this that they are hard to be vnderstood ye wold make vs beleeue that when they speake of one thing they meane another when they speake of good they meane euill when they set forth heauen they meane hell Pa. It is like you will answere truth when ye charge vs with so great and manifest a lie where can ye shew that euer any of our side hath spoken or written that when the scripture speaketh of one thing it meaneth another Pro. Is that such a lie I pray you what is the cause why ye tel vs the scriptures are hard when they speake so fully so plainely and plentifully and with such consent and agreement in those things which are the principles of our faith if it be not that when they speake of one thing they meane another Wherefore shold we not vnderstand what God saith vnto vs if he deale simply Wherfore did the Lord speake by his Prophetes and Apostles to the simple common people if they could not vnderstand what he said I cannot tell what other reason ye can shew why they should be so darke as you make them Pa. Are ye then in good sadnesse of this mind that the scriptures are not hard to be vnderstood and are they not vncertaine because they may be expounded diuerse wayes Pro. I do not deny 2. Pet. 3â— but that as S. Peter saith There be some things hard to be vnderstood which the vnlearned and vnstable do peruert as they do other scriptures to their owne destruction I confesse with the authour of the Epistle to the Hebrues Heb. 5. That there are things hard to bee vnderstood because we be dull of hearing Also the iust iudgement of God vpon the wickednesse of men as it is set forth by the Prophet Isaiah Isa 5. in hardning their harts blinding their eyes that in hearing they may heare and not vnderstand in séeing they may see and not perceiue and also in causing the word of God to be vnto them as a sealed booke sa 29 I. doth make the Scriptures hard to bee vnderstood Now although they be hard also in some sort euen to the godly and diligent man those whom God doth teach yet they are not hard as you make them that is to say that in no wise they may be vnderstood or haue any certainty in them but by the interpretation of the Pope and his cleargie For that is most blasphemously to take away the light from the most pure and cleare word of God This therefore is but diuellish craft by which ye would driue vs from Gods word which standeth sure on our side and maketh flat against you The Scriptures can be expounded rightly but one way hauing but one sense Pa. That which you do alleadge out of Saint Peter doth make for vs where he saith That the vnlearned and vnstable do peruert not only those hard things but also all other Scriptures to their distruction 2. Pet. 1. Likewise the same Apostle saith That no Scripture is of priuate interpretation S. Paul saith 1. Tim. 3. That the Church is the pillar ground of truth Then I reason thus the vnlearned do peruert the scriptures therefore they are not to deale with them no priuate person is to interprete the Scriptures therefore none but the Church or those which haue the authority in the Church and because the
haue fulfilled all those things which S. Paul and S. Iohn in the Reuelation haue written of him as to gape after another The Pope must néedes bee bee not simply because he hath the highest seat in the Church but because he hath so high a seat in the Church as God neuer appointed to any Antichrist should be the highest of all where will ye finde any that was aboue the Pope or that euer did chalenge such authoritie as he had for certaine hundreth yeares But ye say when I haue proued that the Pope doth boast himselfe to be God then I shall say somewhat It is indéede such a somewhat as may of it selfe suffice if there were no more to cause all wise men to see that he is the man of sinne and vtterly to renounce him Pa. When ye haue done that I also will recant and forsake him because I am sure the spirit of the diuell is in that man which maketh himselfe God and so I dare promise for all that be of our side Pro. Ye make a double promise one for your selfe and another for your fellowes that if the Pope can be proued to haue boasted or shewed himselfe to be God ye will recant and forsake him But I am sure yee promise much more then ye can performe I cannot trust that which ye make for your self much lesse when ye promise for all that be on your side Ye are blinded and hardened as the Scribes and Pharisies were they said if he bee Christ let him come downe from the crosse and wee will beléeue in him Matth. 27. Could they or would they haue beléeued in him if he had come downe from the crosse Why then did they not beléeue when he was risen from the dead which was a thing farre greater then to come downe from the crosse When I sée ye recant I will beléeue it otherwise I will not because there is a great number of ye which doe wrangle and cauill séeke shifts against those things which your consciences do tell ye are true so that ye do willingly and wilfully blinde your selues and so blind others And thus while ye go about to deceiue others ye are deceiued But let vs come to the matter It may be ye looke that I should go about to proue that the Pope hath taken vpon him to be called God or to bee taken for God and not man I doe not meane so Pa. No ye cānot tell what ye meane I thought this would be the end now ye will not goe about to proue that the Pope would bee called God or be taken not to be a man This is the sleight of ye all to make great crakes and when ye are to come to your proofe then to winde out I may keepe my promise well enough you haue released me of it I would like it well if ye would confesse plainlie and shame the diuell that ye haue made promise of more then ye are able to doe and that ye haue done great iniurie vnto the holy father and haue slandered him Pro. I haue done euen as much iniurie to the holy father and haue slaundered him euen as much as a man doth slaunder and iniurie the diuell when he saith he is the father of lyes I should not shame the diuell in retracting that which I haue said and by saying that I haue promised more then I am able to doe but I should please him very well For although his owne credit is so far spent that he should vtterly lose his labour in séeking to recouer it yet he séeketh to vphold the credit and estimation of his vicar by that meanes doth maintaine his kingdome I haue vsed no sleight nor am gone from ought that I did promise to proue For doth it follow that because the Pope doth confesse he is a man and taketh not the name of God therfore he doth not boast himself to be God You are a very simple Logitian which from deniall of some part wil deny the whole Pa. What is the whole if this be not neither to take the name nor yet to esteeme himselfe to bee the thing Neither to bee called God nor yet to thinke himselfe to be God If ye can shew any other way whereby hee may shew himselfe to bee God let me heare it Pro. He doth sit in the temple of God boasting himselfe that he is God when he challengeth to himselfe the power authoritie which doth belong onely to God and to no creature this power he hath vsurped many waies Tell me is not this to boast himselfe to be God Pa. I grant indeed that whosoeuer doth challenge the power and authoritie to himselfe which doth belong to God onely doth make himselfe God But what are ye the neerer for this so long as ye shall neuer bee able to shew any way whereby the Pope hath vsurped any such power although ye say hee hath done it many waies hee hath his power giuen him of God and yet neuer the power to be as God Pro. I might with trauell make a large discourse with many proues to shew that he hath vsurped the highest authoritie but I will contēt my self to shew it in some things which are knowne very well euen vnto the simple Is not God onely Lord ouer our faith and ruler ouer our consciences to binde the same Hath not God onely power to forgiue sinnes To shut heauen and to open hell to saue and to destroy Is not God the onely lawgiuer is not Christ our onely Doctor how then can the Bishop of Rome challenge these things to himselfe and yet not shew himselfe that he is GOD If this be not much more to make himselfe GOD when hée taketh vpon him Gods power then to take the name let al men iudge Pa. The Pope doth take no Lordship ouer the conscience nor doth not binde them further then he hath authoritie giuen him The lawes which he maketh are made by the holy Ghost which is in him and therefore there is but one lawgiuer For ye may euen as well say Moses gaue lawes therefore there is more then one lawgiuer for looke how he gaue lawes so doth the Pope Hereby euery man may see that ye reason very strongly when by making lawes yee would proue an equalitie with God then all the Apostles and Prophets were equall with God And so I may say for the rest Pro. God neuer gaue any such authoritie to any man If the Pope had it giuen him it was by the Dragon as S. Iohn sayth Reuel 13. which gaue him his seate and great authoritie Ye say I reason strongly when I say the Pope doth make lawes to binde mens consciences therfore the Pope maketh himselfe God and likewise maketh that there is more then one lawgiuer For say you by this reason Moses all the Apostles and Prophets should be equall with God because they gaue lawes But as they did it by the holy Ghost so doth the Pope and so God is still the
Church is the pillar of truth whosoeuer doth separate himselfe from the Church doth depart from the truth And by this we do still proue that you are all heretickes and scismatikes and do peruert the scriptures because you take them not as the Church doth expound them The scriptures seeme to be on your side but they are not they seeme to be against vs but they are not Pro. This is very sound stuffe you make three strong conclusions out of three sentences of the scriptures In the first ye reason thus the vnlearned do peruert the scriptures therefore none can vnderstand the scriptures but the learned by this your meaning is to shut out all the layitie as you call them from iudging of doctrine and to allow vnderstanding of the scriptures to none but the learned that is the Clergie of Rome for that we shal haue by and by But ye ouershoote your selfe much when ye thinke that Saint Peter by vnlearned men doth meane such as haue not bin brought vp in schoole learning and so put that difference betweene cleargie and layitie No he counteth all those learned which are taught of God both of the common sort of people and other all those are vnlearned which are not taught of God although otherwise they abound in all knowledge of tongues and arts or whatsoeuer Such as haue learned Christ Iesus and him crucified and so are become new creatures in Christ they are learned Col. 2. For in him are all the treasures of wisdome and knowledge He that hath not learned Christ he is vnlearned If he be not new borne but as S. Iohn saith 1. Iohn 3. cōmitteth sin he hath not séene him nor knowne him although otherwise he be neuer so studied a mā in the scriptures Math. 11. For this cause we see that the poore Publicanes are called the children of wisedome because they imbraced the doctrine of Christ when the great Doctors the Scribes and Pharisies were starke blind They sayd none followed Christ but the multitude which knew not the law Iohn 7. which were accursed when as indeede they were blind and accursed themselues so fareth it now with the Pope and his shauelings they say the people cannot vnderstand the scriptures when themselues do not The next sentence vppon which you conclude is out of Peter also where hee saith No scripture is of priuate interpretation From hence you fetch an inuincible argument to proue that none of vs may interprete but Rome onely No priuate man is to interprete the scriptures because no scripture is of priuate interpretation all those which are not of the Popish Cleargie or which haue not authority in the Church from the Pope or do not expound as the Church are priuate men therfore none of those are to interprete the scriptures Here the Pope like a greedy cormorant will haue all to himselfe But ye deale deceiptfully or at the least vnskilfully with the text which ye alleadge for Saint Peter when he saith priuate doth not speake it to make this difference betweene men as though for interpreting the scriptures some shold haue authority some should be priuate but he setteth men against God calling that priuate which is of man For he doth reason thus the scripture was not giuen by the will of man but by the spirite of God therefore the interpretation thereof must bee of God men must not bring that which is their owne If the interpretation be by the spirit then is it not priuate if it be out of mans braine although it should be the Pope al his Cardinals yea ten thousand Popes it is still priuate after the sense in which S. Peter doth call priuate For let any skilful man in the greeke tongue looke vpon the word which is idias epiluseos and he will confesse that it doth signifie that which is ones owne Then the sense is plaine and it is also manifest how peeuishly you peruert the word of God What manner of argument is this a man may not in the interpreting of the Scriptures bring that which is his owne therfore none may interprete them but the Church of Rome Your last reason is not worth answering for although it is most true that the Church is the pillar of truth that those are voyd of truth which abide not in the Church yet this is as false that the Pope his company are the Church of Christ as the other is true and therefore we are no heretikes nor Schismatikes for departing from you which are a den of theeues which haue conspired against the truth Pa. Two grosse things and strange I gather out of your words the one that you would haue the people of themselues to iudge of doctrine the other ye will haue no other interpreter of the sense of the Scriptures but the Spirit I pray ye I am an vnlearned man would faine know which is the truth I heare you alleadge the scriptures in one sense and you say you haue the spirit our men alleadge them in another sense and say they haue the spirit the Anabaptists they haue the spirite the Arrians they interprete by the spirit what shal I do here is euery man hath the spirit yet euery one goeth a contrary way It is manifest therefore that heere needeth a more certaine thing to leane vnto or else the simple man cannot tell which way to turne him What shall he do now but looke how the Church beleeueth and rest in that For he must haue that which may teach him to know which of all these hath the true spirit or else he is neuer the neerer Pro. Ye find two grosse things in my words one of them is that I say the people can iudge of doctrine when it is preached What doth our Sauior Christ meane when he saith Iohn 10. My sheep heare my voyce a stranger they wil not heare they flie frō strangers Cā they know the voice of the true shepheard from the false can they not discerne doctrine The other is that I will haue none other interpreter of the sense of the scriptures but the spirit 1. Cor. 2. S. Paul saith the eare hath not heard nor the eye hath not seene neither came into mans hart the things which God hath prepared for them that loue him but God hath reuealed them vnto vs by his spirite for the spirite searcheth all things yea the deepe things of God And the great doubt which you put forth in the simple man which would faine vnderstand the truth and which of all those foure that ye named haue the spirit I answer that if he himselfe haue not the spirite of God to teach him he shall not be able to iudge but if the spirite do teach him then can he find it for the spirite which doth teach the one to vtter the doctrine which is his doth teach the other to know that doctrine and in them consenteth vnto it being his owne and therefore
onely law-giuer Thus ye would bleare the eyes of the ignorant to make them beléeue that the Pope doth make lawes as Moses did But I will shew a difference Moses gaue no lawes nor any of the Apostles but such as they receiued from GOD. They neuer challenged authoritie for to make any law contrary to any part of the word of God nor to abrogate any of the lawes of God For S. Paul saith Galath 1. that if he or an Angell frō heauen should preach any other Gospell then that he had preached let him be accursed Such was the authoritie of Gods worde that if either Paul or Moses or any other which brought it should alter adde to it or diminish the same he should be accursed And yet the Pope doth take power to make lawes contrary to the lawes of the word of God to dispense with the same to disanull what hee will and which is most blasphemous of all to affirme that the holie Scriptures haue no authoritie without him but are of themselues dead can haue no certaintie Is not this to make himselfe God or equall with God What is there which hath authoritie ouer Gods word but God Who doth not here espie the very hornes of the diuell péep vp and speake these things out of the mouth of his vicar Antichrist They do al forsake God and worship the beast which giue him this authoritie Pa. I will not denie but that he which doth set vp lawes contrary to Gods lawes maketh himselfe God euen as a subiect which taketh vpon him to make lawes and to refuse the lawes of the Prince maketh himselfe as it were a king But I say the Bishop of Rome doth not so for he hath the holie Ghost and cannot erre And so when he doth forgiue sinnes he doth no more then is warranted by the word and in very deede which ye take vpon ye to doe Pro. What should I stand to answere bare words wee know the Pope is not led by the holy Ghost but by the lying spirit of the diuel because he hath so flatly troden downe Gods word and brought in his owne lawes in stead of it I will not stand to recite particulars all the world may iudge And whereas ye say he doth not forgiue sins but as we doe take vpon vs that is but a shift which ye haue deuised for all that will may see whether this bee all one to pronounce remission of sins to the penitent which we do and to send forth pardōs whereby for ten shilling matter a man might not onely haue forgiuenes of his sins past but libertie for a good time after to commit many sinnes If this be not the man of sinne where shall we finde him Who doth take vpon him to bee God if he do not which for money will forgiue a man whatsoeuer he doth commit against God Shall a rotten stinking carrion thus blaspheme and men not espie that hee is the great Antichrist I haue now shewed yée how the Pope boasteth himself to be God but I dare not say you will recant Pa. When I see matter which may force me to recant I will do it but for ought that I see brought to the purpose to proue that which you promised there is cause rather why you should recant and renounce your errors and returne againe to the holy mother which is ready to receiue those that returne to her how vnkindly soeuer they haue behaued themselues toward her Pro. The diuelish strumpet is almost left desolate and therefore she laboureth to draw as many as she can and to entice them to her loue faire and foule tag and mag all are welcome none come amisse now Murtherers whoremasters whores bawdes drunkards and all such like if they will take her for their mother she is not ashamed to take them for her children and to make them partakers of her holinesse But let vs come againe to the matter Saint Paul in the same chapter sayth That Antichrist should come with lying signes and wonders and so is it also expressed in the Reuelation that the beast should that way seduce and deceiue the inhabitants of the earth If this be not fulfilled in the kingdome of the Pope how shall it euer bee fulfilled or where shall wee looke for it What hath béen all your outcries but myracles myracles Let a man reade your Legenda Aurea and festiuall and such other pure bookes what shall he finde but myracle vpon myracle and so true that if a man would lye for the whetstone hee may there store himselfe if hee will haue a whole bundle The people did beléeue them for why the Scripture saith 2. Thess 2. GOD should send them strong delusion to beléeue lyes I dare say boldly that although you Papists a great nūber of ye haue put on impudent and shamelesse faces to maintaine lyes yet there is not one of ye but wil blush if he should take vpon him to defend that stinking puddle of lyes and fained wonders which ye fed the common people withal A man may be ashamed to recite them least those which know not the matter should thinke he doth lie Pa. What way can you proue that the myracles of the Church were false and counterfeit Will you take vpon ye to condemne such things as were done long since If there bee some things written which might wel enough be left out is the Church to be charged with that which euery particular man doth There were abuses crept in which the Bishop himselfe did not know of Is it reason he should be blamed Pro. I thinke no wise man will doubt but that this is a sufficient proofe that your myracles were but iugling casts in the darke because ye had such store then haue none now alas there is as great néede now as euer there was And if there bee but one myracle left in your budget pull it forth and let vs see it that we may giue some credit vnto ye Nay your mother had no good counsell giuen her when she had such plentie to spend it so wastfully as she did and to kéepe none for a deare yeare I wisse a few of those great wonders which shée shewed in time past would now stand her in great stead Pa. Mocke on take your pleasure there is none to controule ye VVhat though there be neede at this time yet the world is vnworthie euen as Christ said to the Pharisies when they required a signe Matth. 19. This euill and adulterous generation seeketh a signe but there shall no signe be giuen them but the signe of Ionas the Prophet Euen so what reason is it that the holy mother should shew any wonders and myracles vnto you which are worse then the Pharisies Pro. Alacke good old mother she hath néede as much as euer she had to shew her cunning but the world is not worthie Although shée might winne great credit by it yet she had rather kéepe a good conscience And therefore
that you doe Among these ye dare be bolde to reason the matter to the full But this I say vnto ye let the diuell bring his note booke with him let the Pope and all his prelates vtter al the skill they can yet the word of God shall still be able to beate them downe in this matter to proue that subiects incurre damnation when they rebell against princes which are the ministers of GOD. As for the examples which ye bring I will shew how they doe not proue that which you alleage them for And then I will let ye see how it is to be proued by the law of God that subiects haue no such power against their princes but that euery priuate man doth very horribly rebell against the Lord God which rebelleth against the powers set vp by God Pa. Howsoeuer yee may seeme to dally with those examples which I haue alleaged yet sure I am they proue that which I doe alleage them for both that it is lawful to kil wicked princes also by colourable dealing for we haue example of the one in Ehud and of the other also in Iehoiada Pro. I will maintaine that which I haue said and shew that they doe not make for that which ye cite them for It is set forth in the Iudges that Israel had done euill in the sight of the Lord and he made Eglon king of the Moabites to preuaile against them to bring them into seruitude When the children of Israel cried vnto the Lord he raised vnto them a deliuerer euen Ehud Afterward it is set foorth how he came went with a present to Eglon desiring to speake with him alone and so slew him Consider well in this storie first how Eglon was an vniust vsurper Iudg. 3. oppressing Israel like a cruell tyrant where he had no right Secondly Ehud is no priuate man but raised vp by the Lord to be their deliuerer Wherefore he had authoritie from God to put downe Eglon euē as wel as a lawful king hath right to fight against such as inuade his land and to kil thē Lastly where Ehud did it colourably we may not draw it into an exāple because it was done by an extraordinary spirit which the pope cannot giue to other because he hath him not himself If he could giue to a priuate man that spirit which Ehud had to warrāt him thē were it somwhat As for the example of Athaliah the mother of king Achasia ◠King 11. after she saw her son was dead did arise murder al the kings séed or the blood royal and so vsurped the kingdome she was neither lawful Quéene nor yet to be suffred to liue because she had cōmitted so horrible and cruel murder Wherfore Iehoiada in whose custody the yong king was secretly kept whē he brought him forth to be crowned did not by his owne right set vp a king whō it pleased him but was an helpe to bring the yong king to his right to put downe the wicked murderer vsurper This now maketh nothing at all for the pope whē he taketh vpon him power to depose kings at his pleasure and to set vp whom he shall thinke good Pa. I see well a man cannot bring you to see the power which the prince of the Apostles had and now his successor hath for to depose princes What should a man contend with one which doth not care what he denieth Pro. Christ Iesus whē he was desired by one that he would cōmaund his brother to deuide the land answered Luk. 12. Man who made me a iudge or a deuider Wherby he doth euidently shew that he had no ciuil authority no not in the least causes for els hee would not haue said who made me a iudge much lesse he had authoritie in the highest matters as to depose kings And for this cause when Pilate did aske him if hée were a king he did answer Iohn 18. my kingdom is not of this world likewise he did testifie his subiection to the Emperor Matth. 17. when he Peter did pay tribute How thē doth it come to passe that the pope shuld chalenge to haue that because he is M. vicar which neither Christ nor Peter had No he hath it not that way but because he is the man of sin which hath exalted himselfe aboue all that is called God Moreouer what sayth Christ to his Apostles The kings of the nations rule ouer them Matth. 10. and they that are great exercise authoritie ouer them but it shall not be so among you I pray ye sir if the Apostles might not be as kings princes how had Peter this power to be king of kings or how cā a priest in Italie because as he saith he is the successor of Peter haue this high dignitie to be so farre aboue kings Ye must néeds confesse vnlesse ye will be wilful that the Pope can haue no such power neither from Peter nor Christ they doe both renounce him Then I reason thus as I said before Princes are set vp by God he hath made them his substitutes here on earth he hath not alone giuen them the seate and the sword but also hee hath clothed them with glorie put vpon them as it were of his owne robes when he calleth them Gods We are cōmanded to be subiect to honor and obey not to resist vnder paine of damnation If they command any thing which is disagréeing to Gods will they haue not that power ouer our conscience wee must obey God rather then man Neuerthelesse we are stil subiects to that power which they haue receiued from God And being but priuate men we must say with Dauid God forbid that I should lay my hand vpō my master the king the Lords annointed I say therefore that your Iesuites or whosoeuer fauour them which know their practises are traytors before God and man because they dare lift vp their hand against their soueraigne prince placed in the throne by the high God and subiect to no creature in earth I say therefore let all men take héede of your cursed and damnable waies Let all men sée that your kingdome is not of God which ye vpholde by treasons periuries lyes murders and all kind of euill meanes Pa. All is nought of our side and all good of yours Ye are so malicious that whatsoeuer we do ye condēne it your charity doth shew what ye are Pro. We must néeds say all that is nought which God saith is so I confesse our charitie and yours are not al one for the charitie of you papists is a burning loue Ye can both loue a man and cut his throte also The Lord defend his people from such Vipers which sting to death when they be gentlest of all But Idolatrie is alwaies cruell cannot be maintained but with diuelish and bloody mindes Pa. I know ye doe account vs to be Idolaters and so ye do call vs but we are as far from it as you be