the Ordinances and if the Gospel be there he is obliged to profess it as he is to confess and not deny Christ before men 2. If any of Israel goodwell in another city or town where another Priest shall teach is it in his choice to be taught by that Priest or not or was there no freedome under the Old Testament but there is freedome now Prove this difference from the Word 4. The Donâ—… in that contr Pâ—… l. 11. c. 14. A wicked Minister can no more convert quam vivificare quenquam mortuus potest than a dead man can give life So our Brethren they are not fit to be edifying matter who shall destroy the Church 5. August lib. Retract 2. c. 18. Ubicunqus autem in 〈◊〉 libris commemoravi Ecclesiam non habentem maculam aâ—… rugam non sic accipiendum quasi jam sâ—â— sed quâ— praeparatur ut sis Augustine owns no Church that in the esteem of Saints is without spot or wrinkle 6. Augustine condâ—… the Donatistâ— Aug. contr liter Petil. Episc. Donatistâ— l. 1. 〈◊〉 1. they were broken off from the catholick Church ab or bis 〈◊〉 sancta communiono that was sure no congregation for they set up congregations of their own but they said With themselves onely was the true Church 7. Petilianus said What hath righteousness to do with unrighteousness Augustine saith It s not righteousness taking part with unrighteousness Si Judas Petruâ— paritor sacramenta communiâ—… 8. Petilianus applied the Scriptures that are spoken of real Saints as Psal. 1. Blessed is the man and Psal. 23. The Lord is my shepherd he leadeth me c. to their onely members of separated Churches So do our Brethreu Mr. Cotton Mr. Hooker So Mr. Robinson Augustine answers These words belong not to baptized Simon Magus They are not the words of the tares of the chaff but of the wheat 9. Petilian said the Catholicks admitted all to be just and members of the Church qui verba legis noverunt that knew words of Scripture and Satan knew Scripture The same Mr. H. objects to us See Aug. 10. The question between us and the Donatists is Where is this Body visible for it were madness to think the question was touching the invisible Church where it is Where the Church is What then shall we do shall we seek it in our words or in the words of her Head the Lord Iesus See August It s known Augustine acknowledgeth in all these Writings a Catholick Church from Sea to Sea to which men should joyn themselves as to the visible society of Christ. 11. Our Brethren will have none to be baptized except they be baptized into a particular congregation And Aug. condemns the Donatists who will have it no baptism which is administred without the Church 12. Our Brethren will have so many conditions of the visible Church 1. That the matter be fit visible Saints 2. That the form be a Church covenant 3. That they meet in one place c. Augustine following the Word saith All of Jews and Gentiles in covenant are the visible Church 13. This or that congregation or believer may fall off the Rock defecit ex omnibus Gentibus Christiana Religio excepta parte Donati except some following Donatus and some in America aut alibi See Aug. 14. They who saith Augustine teach That the Church which was to take its beginning at Jerusalem is not that visible City but by a figure is the whole Church that is in heaven and earth may say that also is spoken by a figure It behoved Christ to die and to rise the third day Then Augustine thinks the Church of Jews and Gentiles all the world over to be one visible City against the Donatists and our Brethren Catholicks as August teacheth said that it was the minde of Cyprian that the tares were in the Church not lurking but seen to which the Donatists durst answer nothing they were so moved with the authority of Cyprian Cyprian clearly saith the Lord gave first to Peter upon whom he built his Church nor did he then build the Church upon the confessing Church power to binde and loose as also he saith after the Resurrection to the Apostles As my Father sent me so send I you To Cyprian then one place in Ioh. 20. expounds Matth 16. Now Cyprian never thought that Christ sent the people as the Father sent him And Cyprian soli Petro dixit Quaecunque ligaverâ—s Quando in solos Apostolos insuâ—â—â—vit Christus dicens accipite Spiritum Sanctum si eujus remiseritis pâ—ocata Cyprian proves that the Church is one and Baptism one What talk they then of multiplied visible congregations and multiplied Baptisms And see Cyprian Et quamvis Apostolis omnibus post resurrectionem dicat Sicut â—ifit me pater c. tamen ut unitatem manifestaret unam Cathedram Petri constituit c. Cyprian expounding Matth. 16. 18. And I say to thee Thou â—â—t Peter c. the Church is founded upon the Bishops and every act of the Church by these overseers is guided and therefore the lapsi should not have peace but by satisfying Church-discipline FINIS Isa. 15. 6 7. The adequate subject of Church discipline is not the visible Church as M. H. take 〈◊〉 it A Church without officers may not do what a civil corporation without rulers may do Pag. 13 14. What influence habitation hath to make Church-members Survey p. 1. c. 2. pag. 14 15. M. H. his visible Saints are not the onely fit matter of the visible Church nor is it proved but by conjectures Pag. 15. M. H. 1. Arg. Christ is two wayes a head by M. H. his way Or where Christ is in Scripture called the head of Magus M. R. desires to know Men are the confederate people of God visibly without any mans passing his judgment thereupon M. H. his Second Arg. part 1. pag. 16 17. M. H. 2. Arg. That reall Saints onely are members and subjects of the visible Church and of Christs visible kingdome the place Isai. 33. 22. doth not prove that M. H. his visible Saints are the onely matter of the visible Church Marlorat comment in Isai. c. 3â— 20. tentorium firmum adeo ut ne portae inferorum adversus eam praevaleant Matth. 16. 18. Ioan. Piscator v. 20. adhuc alloquitur pios Iudaeos Calvin in Locum quin dominus in medio ejus ideo non commovetur Muscul. 16. oves meas nemo rapiet è manu mea Calv. in vers 22. notandum hic quae vera sit ecclesia Dei scil Deum logislatorem regem agnoscit Bullinger in locum ita instruct à gratiâ Dei ut malis nec cedat nec frangatur sed semper permaneat firma Calvin vers 24. notatâ— dignum est quod soli ecclesiae cives hoc privilegio remissionis ornantur Gualter in loc ad solam ergo ecclesiam â—ujus cives illa
congregation Yea I adde A member of the visible Church whereas he was no better then a heathen before and the Churches of New England say with me Though Mr. H. say That never one of them said any such thing And sure this is one Church-covenant by which persons are made fixed members of a congregation Ergo they are by this covenant made members of the visible Church whereas they were as pagans before But there is another Church-covenant by which pastor and people are married and every member so married as they cannot act as Church-members without their own congregation and he cannot act as a pastor toward any but toward his own flock Hence a new Quaere Whether there be two different Church-covenants 3. It s without question that the family of Abraham was Gods covenanted people before circumcision was instituted Gen. 17. nor is there any ground for a formal Church-covenanting among themselves And it speaks against all Scripture to say there was a Church covenant in Egypt and in the Wilderness Exod. 19. 1 5. for they were not made Church-members for members they were before by these covenantings with God And this is Mr. H. his own consequence They are members before they chose their Pastors Ergo. So I retort Mr. H. If this covenant difference the visible Church from the invisible as the formal cause then there have been no visible Churches since the Apostles times till now Now the Churches saith Mr. H. in England Holland c. have the implicit covenant at their practice evidenceth Ans. Yet it must fâ—…ow since presbyterian Churches believe and practice juridical power without the bonds of a single Independent Church in divers associate Congregations 2. And do not contend for but are against really supposed Saints as only constituent members of the visible Church and in the causes internal and external And 3. are so contradictorious to Independency there have been no Church according to the rule of the word since the Apostles dayes 2. If an implicit covenant suffice we shall find popish Churches to have much of that Mr. H. Though many unwarrantable wayet convey this covenant yet it self may be warrantable Ans. If by ways Mr. R. mean as he doth wayes inseparable causes pillars means and undeniable consequences the covenant must be the more unhappy as the unlawful wayes of the Mass the lifting up of the bready God and Idolatrous Ceremonies inseparably conveying it render it unlucky Mr. H. It is a dream to say that when the Apostles came to plant Churches that private men not the Apostles converted them Where is the man of ours that will affirm that all All are converted by private Christians Ans. The reply auswers not a whit to the Charge of Mr. R. now when the Apostles are not 2. The Apostles by our Brethrens way are not Pastors so much as extraordinary nor publick men for extraordinariness destroys not the nature of Pastors and to our Brethren Pastor and flock are relatives but the heathen are no fed stock nor these who now teach the Gospel to the heathen Apostles nor Pastors 3. These who teach that now Apostles ceasing Pastors as Pastors convert none according to the revealed command of Christ but pre suppose all are converted before they be admitted members they convert not as Pastors Ergo they must convert them as no Pastors Ergo they convert them as private men except there be a middle preacher between a preaching officer and a private man but this every where is taught by our brethren now this middle uncalled man must be the ordinary converser of all 2. Mr. H. teacheth that the Church homogeneal in ordinary now when there are no Apostles is before Baptism and Ministry now this Church is all the visible sovieties of confederate converts on earth Let Mr. H. tell us who converted them not Pastors for they are a framed Church in esse and operari the Fathers and sole Creators of all Officers Mr. H. It is unwarrantable to say Pastors now convert not Indians and Heathens saith Mr R. It is warrantable enough saith M. H. Answ. Enough is a feast Converters of Heathen now are either Apostles Evangelists or Ordinary Officers and Pastors or of some middle new Officers this latter cannot without Scripture be said not the former for they want the gift of tongues and miracles nor are they ordinary Pastors For Pastor and flock saith Mr. H. Shepherd called and Church chusing Husband and Wife are Relatives But Indians are no chusing Church Mr. H. Men must be satisfied in conscience of the conversion one of another saith Mr. R. Ans. To reasonable charity they should saith Mr. H. and no doubt it was in Ananias Saphira Ans. But their long conversing together for this satisfaction Mr. H. bringeth down to two poor experienced Witnesses Magus and Iudas for every one must witness of another and that witnesses were called and judicially deponed that all the 3000. Act. 2. and all Iudea and all round about who were baptized Matth. 3. 3 4. Mark 1. 5. Luk. 4. 21. were real converts who can believe except you believe for so saith Mr. H. Mr. H. What is all this to overthrow the covenant Ans. Very much for it destroyes the Ministry for though some private Christians may convert some yet no man can shew me by our brethrens way that pastors now do convert any at all contrary to Mat. 28. 19 20 Rom. 10. 14 15. Eph. 4. 11 12 13. 1 Cor. 3. 5. 2 Cor. 5. 20. Act. 26. 16 17 18. or if they convert any they do it not as pastors M. H. They which have no Church-power can put forth no Church power but such as Churches to other Churches Ans. The proposition is weak they put forth an act of love of counsel of approbation of conjunction as well as power Mr. R. grants one single Congregation to have no power over another many Churches sent to Parliament to declare their judgement may approve of their determinations if holy if not may confute them yet they have no Church-power over the Parliament Ans. 1. My argument is mistaken many Churches suppose mine have not power by this way to receive in one Church nor Iames Cephas and Iohn power to receive authoritatively Paul as they do say Calvin Pelicanus Pareus Piscator Diodati Beza yea Ierom also before them Mr. H. If Mr. R. constâ—ue a token of consent consensionis to be a Symbole of authority it is beyond my understanding Ans. Mr. R. never understands private consent or private counsel such as one private man or woman may give to another private person of their own or of another congregation to be publick authority but I acknowledge a publick authoritative and Aopstolick consent to be in Iames Cephas Iohn and their meaning was Brother Paul our counsel as Brethren is and our consent you be a Preacher but we have no Apostolick authority from the Lord to own you as an Apostle
counselling Mr. Cotton for command and use of the Keys yields also so the question shall not be of the subject but of the power and of the bounds where acts of free choice of rectified reason for civil ends also have place But the Conclusion is naught So That which is not in the Word saith he is a device of man I assume the frame of the meeting-house for congregational Worship the number names trades callings of members the quantity of water in Baptism the quantity of Bread that every one eats aâ— the Lords Supper are no more in Scripture than the Territories or bounds of Presbyteries yet are they not for that humane devices Mr. H. It is doubtful that all our singular actions as Mr. R. saith are mixed for eating and drinking must be for Gods glory and Omnis actio in individuo est moraliter bona vel mala Ans. If Mr. H. doubt of this Ames Didoclavius can speak to it There is such a thing as an action indifferent as Augustine saith or rather Ierome that is neither good nor evil but it is not a humane action properly as to spit or purge the nose But see all the Schoolmen Scotus Thomas Lombard and all that writ upon them and you shall never reade this new Axiome Omnis actio in individuo est moraliter bona vâ—l mala Durandus indeed and the Schoolmen say that every act individual which followeth deliberate reason is necessarily either morally good or evil See Greg. de Valentia 2. For the mixture of our actions its cleare there is something physical in eating at the Lords Supper as the word hath not set a rule concerning the physical quantity of Bread and Wins so there be not too much for it is not to feed the body nor too little for it must work upon the senses And there is in praying preaching the tone the accent of the organs of the voice and their motion so that we eat and drink for God and soberly and seasonably is moral and squared by the word but a man sins not in eating quickly or lently in the house or in the garden or sometime in his bed sometime at midnight upon necessity Mr. Hooker errs not a little in calling the acts of the Synod Act. 15. Councels such as godly men and women who are not Apostles and Elders may give to others for counsels are not burdens laid upon the people and Churches by the wisedom and authority of the Holy Ghost 2. By Apostles and Elders who sharply rebuke the pressers of circumcision as subverters of the soules of people 3. Neither are they indifferent advices â—hich they might reject but these they could not reject without despising God and the Holy Ghost the very thing that the Lord saith he that dispiseth you dispiseth me which cannot be said of a counsel of the Heathen man to a Christian. It is saith Mr. Cotton an act of the binding power of the Keys to bind burthens as Acts 15. 27. 4. The Decrees of no properly so called Church on earth are called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Decrees of Apostles and Elders Mr. H. calls them only Advices and Counsels is it not safer to believe Luke Act. 16. 4. then Mr. H But a Synod is never called a Church say they this is but to contend for names for the word Church 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is three times Act. 19. 32 39 40. given to a civil meeting and Mr. H. will not have it given to bodies meeting for the affairs of the Church of Christ. Mr. H. Where there is no delegation of messengers by mutual consent there is no right of jurisdiction decrees onely bind the Churches who send them Ans. Antioch Act. 15. 2. and Ierusalem sent messengers therefore two Churches at least were sent and were bound as for delegation we shall speak hereafter of it 2. If they ought to send and stand in need of light and peace and send not they are the same way tyed that some hundreds absent when Iezabel is sentenced and excommunicate are obliged to withdraw from communion from her though they were not present to consent to the sentence Mr. H. It s no prejudice to the care and wisedom of our Saviour that the punishing of the congregational Throne be reserved to God only Ans. When scandals between congregation and congregation and members of divers Churches are greater in number and offence and necessity of edifying and scandalizing greater his wisedom must provide for the more rather then the less Mr. H. If when a Church offends I must tell a higher then must I at length tell an Oecumenick or General Councel Ans. General Councels being more abstracted from infecting scandals of conversation are rather doctrinal Remedies nor are censures the ordinary possible adequate way of removing of Scandal The Word and Censures exercised in the Catholick integral visible Church in parts integral is the adequate cause Mr. H. If every man be allowed his appeal to an higher then also to a General Councel then for many hundred years while the appeal be discussed pendente appellatione the appealer cannot be censured Ans. We allow only just appeals in case of oppression to relieve the oppressed 2. In difficult cases Deut. 17. which rarely are such as call for a general Councel in case of general defection in point of Doctrine such may be and the inferiour Churches that truth suffer not are to declare for the truth 2. We allow only what men jure may do 3. The argument supposeth that we approve a towering up of appeals even to a General Councel as a liberty of every member whatever unjust prejudice be in it and that every such appeal may stop the actings of Christs visible Kingdom and called Pastors Christ hath given no power to sin Mr. H. It s a wonder that because Churches may rebuke yea Christians may rebuke Heathens though not in a Church way that therefore the Synod hath a power of jurisdiction Paul rebuked the Athenians Acts 17. A 〈◊〉 these acts of Church communion Ans. My argument is not à genere ad speciem sed specie ad genus These convened in the name of Christ by the Holy Ghost who 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with one consent by way of suffrage and judgement 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act. 15. 9. 21. 25. rebuke perverters of souls Act. 24. 28. and lay on burdens and commands 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to observe Act. 21. 25. and keep such things and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to abstain from such things Act. 15. 29. and give Decrees by which the Churches were established in peace and truth Act. 16. 4 5. these have power to excommunicate the refusers of such acts according to Matth. 18. for Paul and Barnabas were scandalized and complained to the Church of Antioch Act. 1. who sent them to complain to a Synod at Ierusalem Act. 15. 2 3 6. and these who in a Church-way determine
against perverters of souls have juridical power if therefore these men had done the contrary and had refused to hear the Church or Churches convened and should teach these decrees came not from the holy Ghost were they not to us as Publicans and Heathens Yea and whâ—â— more could the Church of Pergamus and that of Thyatira Independent 〈◊〉 say our Brethren do in making acts against such as hâ—ld the Doctrine of Balaam of the Nicholaâ—… against Iezabel Rev. 2. 14 15. 20. If they should after prctice and practice such impure doctrine but declare them perverters of souls and charge others to keep no fellowship with them and shall all be but a rebuke such a counsel as one private man giveth to heathen and sure Pauls rebuke of these at Athens Act. 17. though it made not up the rebuke of a Church yet Paul rebuked them not as a private man or as a godly woman may rebuke Idolaters but formally as a Pastor And Paul and Barnabas as Pastors removed the Caadlestick and turned to the Gentiles Act. 13. and unchurched the Jews which no private men could do So the prophesies of Isaiah Ieremiah Ezekiel against Babylon Persians Tyrus c. as they made not the people to be Churches so they came not from private men but from the immediatly inspired Prophets and such Prophets of Divine authority these are proved to be from these Prophesies So the juridical Church-authority of the Synod by Whitaker Calvin Beza and hosts of learned Divines is concluded from Act. 15. Not is it my mind that the Jews did excommunicate the Samaritans so formally as a single delinquent is excommunicate nor do I defend the superstition by Mr. Io-Weemes and Jewish Doctors in the manner of excommunicating them It s sure the Jewes the true Church deservedly renounced Church-communion with them Origen Iosephus Carâ—lus Sigonius and others tell us they were most corrupt in their Religion 2 King 17. and though Augustine say the Jewes so abhorred them that they would not drink water out of any vessel of the Samaritans and Christ refutes that seeking water to drink from the Woman of Samaria Yet since Christ saith Ioh. 4. 22. Ye worship ye know not what we know what we worship for salvation is of the Iews he evidently as Mr. R. said justifieth the substance of the excommunication which is all I intend let their fooleries pass Mr. R. granteth one Church hath not power over another Ans. True but one associate with many hath power Mr. H. A man may separate totally from a Church and from an assembly of Turks but for one man to excommunicate were a prâ—fanation of the Lords Ordinance Ans. A single person could not separate from the Church of the Jewes though they had not a few corruptions Mat. 23. 1 2 3. Mat. 8. 4. no single person can lawfully be a member of a Turkish Church how can he then separate from such 3. The Church of the Jewes and salvation was of the Jews Ioh. 4 2â— was not one man therefore their excommunicating of the Samaritans is not hence concluded to be null 4. But when the sounder part though fewer separateth from the major part and the major part makes manifest defection from the truth and professed cause and covenant And 2 carry along with them the body of Atheists and malignant opposers of pure Religion and wicked men 3. And that the fewer and sounder part have the collective part of the godly and generality of such as make conscience of their ways with them And 4. That major part is again and again warned and 〈◊〉 go on to hold out and cast out as far as they can all not of their sinful way though in their conscience they in other things judge and prosess them to be sound and godly in that case I judge the fewer part the Church and their censures valid for the promise is made to such as meet in the name of Christ Mat. 18. Mr. H. If all common affairs that concern many congregations saith Mr. R. were managed not by one congregation but by the suffcages 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act. 15. 25. Apostles Elders and select Brethren then Synods and their Church-power most be lawful but the former is true in the chusing of Matthias Act. 1. and the treasury of the Churches and callâ—ng of their Deacons Act. 4. 6. are disposed by a Synod of Apostles with consent of the Churches Paul instructeth a Synod or meeting of 〈◊〉 at Ephesuâ— in their duty of feeding Act. 20. Act 11. Peter gives an account of his going in to the Gentiles to a meeting of Apostles and Breâ—… 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 4. It s true in the chusing of Matthias something extraordinary there was that the Apostles could not do as Pastors but as Apostles as Apostles they appoint two v. 23. God only could limit the call to two certain men all the Pastors and Churches on earth could not do that and as Apostles v. 24. they pray for the directing of the loâ—… and Act. 6. as Apostles by the immediately inspiring authority by which they writ Scripture they appoint a new office of Deacons which was not in the Church before but they do most of the rest by the Churches going along Mr. H. There is no Synod in these 1. There be no delegate Commissioners 2. No gathering of members by common consent 3. No disputing 4. No common determination Ans. Neither the first nor the second are essential to Synods if they be persons in publick authority they have a material delegation a formal commission is a matter of order nor were the last two wanting not to say where the matter is plain shall it lose the nature of a Synod because it wants doubtsome â—…diations But Mr. H. and Mr. Cotton are obliged to give an instance scriptural beside the question we have Act. 15. a meeting of Apostles Elders Brethren exercising by the grant of Mr. Cotton and the 7. dissenting Brethren some specifick Churchâ—â—cts of synodical pastoral authoritative teaching and commanding of more congregations then one Ergo they have power to exercise juridical acts for if Peter may exercise one specifick act of a man let us suppose to play the Musician the Astronomer to number things numerable to admire to laugh no man can deny but Peter then must be a man and hath power to discourse and argue So if a Synod as a Synod can exercise one specifick act of a Church being convened in the name of Christ a reason must be given why a Synod hath not the essence of a Church to exercise all the specifick acts of a Church A Synod is not a congregational Church Ergo it s no Church est incons à negatione species c. Mr. H. Peter gives an account of his fact Act. 11. to the Iews who doubt of the lawfulness of his conversing with the Gentiles but here is no Synod Ans. Yea the Jewes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Syrus Chrysostom
pastoral care of Apostles for vacant Charges for planting of new Churches relief of the poor removing divisions c. Act. 1. 6 4. 35. 11. 1 2. 15 22 23 24 c. 1 Cor. 11. 28. Act. 8. 14. 21. 18. 20. 38. 13. 1 2 3. were temporary and Apostolick stirringâ— not pastoral duties now but such as died with the Apostles which is contrary to the wisdome of Christ. Mr. H. If government by Independent congregations be insufficient because it authorizeth not persons to be pastors over pagans government by Synods is sick of the same disease Ans. We judge the essence of a pastor not to stand in the call and choice of those to whom they are pastors for it makes Paul Barnabas and the Apostles to be no pastors to the Gentiles and to the heathen to whom they preach and maketh the Apostles as Apostles to be no pastors 2. Synods from Act. 15. and Act. 13. may lend men authorized with pastoral power to heathens to spread the Gospel and private men as no pastors but as private men are intruders authorized by Mr. H. for they have no promise such as pastors have by Mat. 28. 19 20. Mark 16. 15 17. Ier. 1. 6 17 18. to plant Churches among the heathens nor is there a warrant to say that Evangelists are ordinary officers left by Christ to plant Churches If Richard Hooker have any ground from Eusebius or Scripture for Evangelists now or in Trajans time he must shew that they have the gift of Tongues for how could Evangelists be fellow-helpers to preach the Gospel to the Churches planted by the Apostles if they were not an extraordinary office onely See those Divines in the margin and my learned and dear Brother M. George Gillespy Miscel. quest c. 7. If the Church should send any to the heathen any way ripâ— for the Gospel these could be no other than ordinary pastors to them I omitted that of Mr. H. There is nothing Act. 1. but any one might have done Ans. If he mean that any one private man might have chosen Apostles he speaks wonders if he mean Peter might have called Matthias to be an Apostle 1. It s without practise that Apostles could call Apostles 2. It follows not therefore it was not a Synod Paul did more in writing Scripture than if alone he had penned the decrees Acts 15. 16. 4. But Mr. Cotton and all his Brethren will deny M. H. his Consequence Ergo there is no Synod at all Act. 15. Mr. H. If the Apostles by extraordinary power cared for the poor Acts 4. Ergo there was a Synod Ans. The Antecedent is not mine but false 2. There was no doubt but ordinary pastors might oversee the Poors goods of many Churches CHAP. XI Of the National Church and the lawfulness of a National Covenant MR. H. The greater authority of the politick whole body saith Mr. R. should help the weaker parts 1 Cor. 12. 23 26. Ans. It s true but there is no National Church under the New Testament to help the congregational Church nor are Churches Christian now in Worse â—ase than the Church of the Iews for they had a High-priest and a National Worship at which they were to meet three times in the year Ans. That there is an integral Church Catholick which is more than National is proved 2. Our Brethren allow the association of many Churches for help of counsel and the Proposition that is granted by M. H. is as true for Church help as is said associated Churches could not yield for union in peace and truth except they made one visible body united Natura conjugatorum hoc â—vincit 3. Visible and professed covenanting with God makes a visible Church Gen 17. 7. Deut. 7. 6. For thou art a holy people unto the Lord thy God Deut. 10 15. Onely the Lord had a delight in thy fathers Abraham Isaac as a covenanted seed and Church Gen. 12 1 2 3. 17 6 7 8 9. to love them and their seed after them Now the seed of Abraham visible covenanted by M. H. his confession was a visible Church before they had an High-priest or a Temple or a National Worship in Abrahams house Ergo the High Priesthood and National Worship was accidental to the visible Jewish Church If it be said Yeâ— but they were in Abrahams time a congregational Church It s answered Yet then Priesthood Temple and National Worship differenced not the Church of the Jews from the Church of the Gentiles Our Brethrens Argument in this is of the same stamp with that of the Murtherers of Steven Acts 7. Steven all along in his Apologie refutes them and â—aith the Jews were a true Church in Egypt when they had no Temple no Ceremonies no National Worship but by faith onely rested upon the promises So Calvin Gualther Bullinger Brentius Marloratus Beza contend that Steven his Apologie had been impertinent if this had not been his scope 2. They were a visible Church in Egypt multiplied above an hundred congregations Exod. 1. 9 11 15. more in number than the Egyptians and the Lords covenanted Church Exod. 3. 6 7 8. 6. 7. 8. obliged to sacrifice to God Exod. 8. 29. and did eat the Passover and were circumcised in Egypt Exod. 4. 24 25 26 12. 1 2 3 c. when as yet Aaron was not consecrated High-priest and there was no Temple nor any National Temple-worship thrice a year at that time in the world 3. When Priesthood Temple-National-worship thrice a year sacrificing are removed Iudah remained in the Babylonish captivity the visibly covenanted people of God obliged to pray to him with their faces toward the Temple 1 King 8. 35. Dan. 6 10 11. and this is no more one National worship than the hearing of the Word and receiving the Seals of the N T. are one National worship to all the Protestant Church-members in Scotland 4. That which is common to Gods people of the Jews and to Egypt and Assyria and the people of God in the Gentiles is no distinguishing character differencing the Jewish Church as National from the Christian Church as not National Quae sunt communia â—a non distingunnt But to profess say and swear by the Lord and give him publick Church-worship agree to Egypt and Assyria and to Kingdoms and Nations of the New Testament as to the Jewish Nation as Isa. 2. 2. It shall come to pass in the last dayes under the New Testament v. 3. that many people shall go and say Come ye and let us go up to the Mountain of the Lord to the house of the God of Iacob and he will teach us of â—ù wayes c. So Isa. 19. 25. God shall bless thus saying Blessed be Egypt my people and Assyria the work of my hand and Israel my inheritance Which the seventh Angel declares to be fulfilled in the New Testament Rev. 11. 15. The Kingdoms of this
the power intrinsecal of a congregation to rule the associated Churches if they were Page 126. The adding of associated Churches to a Wilderness-church doth strengthen perfect and not nullifie the intrinsecal power of the Wilderness-church Pag. 117. When scandals fall out far off or near hand how association of Churches removeth them The limiting of Church-edifying and Church-comforting to one onely congretien whereof the man onely is a sworne member is an unwarrantable and comfortless way The Way of Churches of N. E. c. 1. sec. 1. p. 1. c. 4. sec. 3. sec. 4. p 70 71. Mr. H. Survey pa. 3. c. 2. p. 10. M. Cotton keys of the kingd c. 7. p. 39 40 4â— Mr. H. par 1. c. 9. p. 127 128. sec. 4. 3 ground One and the same nature agrees to the congregational presbyterial Church c. Pag. 127. 128. The congregational Presbyterial National Oecumenick Churches are species specialissimae How a congregation is an intire church Tertul. in Apolog Though the Churches of believers men and women be before the Apostles Evangelists Pastors Presbyteries Synods yet it follows not therefore must Apostles Pastors Synods have their calling and authority from those Churches Sect. 4. p. 128. Mr. Hooker acknowledges that divers meetings and Church conventions may may be all under one Presbyterial government only he will not call them Churches Way of the Church c. 1. sect par 1. Survey par 1. c. 9. p. 110 111 c. Mr. H. must be forced by his own principles to grant there is one visible Church which cannot meet conveniently 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the same place and yet under the same Eldership Mr. H. yeilds to us a Presbyterian Church at Ierusalem Page 51. Fixedness or no fixedness of the Elders of Ierusalem to their own proper congregations is altogether accidental to the Church presbyterial The Apostles fixed feeding at Rome at Corinth is not opposite unto but of that same nature with his feeding pastorall all the world over All the incongruities that are the onely arguments of Mr. H. against a Presbyterial church are militant against the presbyterial Church which Mr. H. grants was at Ierusalem Mr. H. well near also yieldeth that there was a Presbyterian Church at Antioch Ephesus Rome There are the like reasons that the multitudes of Believers at Rome Antioch Ephesus Corinth Samaria Thessalonica could not meet in one place and so there must be in these huge Cities many Congregations under one Presbyterial Government as for the multitudes at Ierusalem What is meant by Church Act. 2. were added to the Church Mr. H. inclines to expâ—… the word Câ—…h of the â—â—â—thful Saul made havock of the Câ—… Eâ—… there is 〈◊〉 Presbyteriâ— a church How watery is this Lâ—gick Par. 1. c. 10. p. 130. Mr. R. argument Mat. 18. from allusion unto the Jewish Sanhedrim abused not answered M R. is not for all appeals whatsoever justor unjust but for such as are edifying and necessary and relieves from tyrannicall oppression the plaintiff Pag. 131. The removing of scandals Mat. 18. cannot be of onely scandals between brother and brother of the same congregation except I must not owne as brethren to be gained those of another Church beside me Christ willeth every little congregation to exercise discipline upon an offender Ergo there is no discipline to be exercised in a greater Church So Mr. H. But the contrary rather strongly followeth The Sanhedrim was not mixed by institution Pauls Presbyt c 8. p. 88. The Church Mat. 18. is to be obeyed in the Lord by the people but the Church of the people is not to be obeyed in the Lord by the people Women are as essential parts of the believing Church as men and womâ—n must no more blindly believe what the Church believes than men nor must their faith in discerning the voice of Christ in this pastor not in this be blindly included in the males discerning and so women must be a part of the binding and loosing Church Mat. 18. Survey par 1. c. 10. p. 133. The Church principally meant Mat. 18. must be the binding and loosing brethren which are the Church fiâ—stâ—y the officers are onely separable adjuncts thereof saith M. H. Par. 1. c. 11. p. 198. When all the officeâ—s turne wolves the people must complain to the people when the people turn Familists Socinians c. to whom sâ—aâ—l the officers complain accoâ—ding to M. H. minde The officers cannot binde potestate officii since the Keys were given to the Male-church before the officers had being as M H saith We cannot tell the church of Jerusalem or Galatia by M. H. Women have no less a tacit consent a faith of practise in eschewing the society of the excommunicated in admitting of him again and of all members in election of officers than men and in other duties recommended to Church-members Let M. H. shew how women are all excluded from Church duties in their way more than men So Cypr. Juban Epist. 73. pag. 22. Nam Petro primum Dominus super quem adificavit Ecclesiam Mat. 16. Istaem potestatem clavium dedit post resurrectionem sicut me misit pater c. Firmilian ad Cypr. Epist. 75. Cypr. pag. 239. n. 14. Hinc intelligi potest quod soli Petro Christus dixerit quemcunque ligaveritis Matth. 16 c. Quando in solos Apostolos insufflavit Christus dicens accipite Spiritum Sanctum c. The word Church can signifie no other but the ruling Church Mat. 18. and the notation of the word Church in our brethrenssense is neither Mat. 18. nor elsewhere See how Bilson Perpetual G ve n. c. 4. mistakes in this Though women children of age and servants be excluded from governing yet the question now is a farre other thing Whether the word Church Mat. 18. if it be the Church of Redeemed ones meeting to and for publick ordinances in the same place include not women c. The word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Church is ever taken in Scripture according to the subject matter and scope of the place and so must the binding and loosing or excommunicating Church Matth. 18. be taken and cannot note a company of redeemed ones Men Women Servants Children of riper age come together in one to partake of Word Seals Censures the onely acception of the Word Church that our brethren can give us from Scripture The Church Matth. 18. 1 Cor. 5. includes all who meet for the publick worship Elders Men Women Servants aged Children every one according to their place according as Paul rebukes comforts teaching in his Epistle 1 Cor. 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Rom. 16. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The women in their daily practice are concerned in conscience to censent unto or dissent from the sentence of excommunication or forgiving and re-admiting again and that upon rules of the Gospel as well as men Caelv Inst. l. 3. c. 4. sec. 12. Instit l. 4. c. 1. sec. 2. Instit. l. 4. c. 12.
people left to my pastoral care then as a Christian over these of another Province whom I am occasionally only to gain and whose faces I never saw Ans. Mr. H. leaves out the words in point of conscience to answer for them to God Which I have Otherwise in regard of using of more means he is obliged to more constant feeding by word seals dayly watching over the single flock then over all Christians on the other side of the Sea and some thousand miles distant from him But if the foundation of governing classical Churches be the love and union of the members of one body of Christ then there is much care onerousness and labour which is required in brotherly consociation to help as the care onerousness which is required in officership Mr. H. Ans. The proposition hath no truth because I love all consociated in one Synod whom I never saw and with whom I could never meet to do good or receive good But if I should be bound to put forth the like onerous and laborious care for their spiritual good as for these to whom by way of office I am bound in the same Congregation Then officers must either do too little or be bound to do too much Ans. This is neither my Argument nor my words my words are Par. 1 pag. 332. Now if we distinguish ONEROUSNESS CARE and LABOUR by way of jurisdiction the former is as GREAT IN FORO DEI in the Court of conscience as the latter These words are left out by Mr. H. qua fide let the Reader judge for the toil care onerousness and labour in point of conscience in the kind and sphere I urge in both by necessity of a divine command but the like care onerousness and labour in quantity in the use of more means in constant preaching personal comforting to all the Christians on earth as to the single congregation I utterly deny But can Mr. H. deny but the Apostles and Brethren Act. 15. did ow as much care onerousness and labour in a binding conscientious way in laying on synodical burdens which bind not onely saith Mr. Cotton materially for the weight of the matter imposed by divine precept but also formally from the authority of the Synod upon the Churches of Ierusalem Antioch Syria Cilicia as any pastor ows to his single flock and that because these Churches are all one consociated body and yet Elders of the Synod were never to see the faces of all these members of the Churches And I put this quere to the Brethren what warrant of Christ is there that a member of an Independent Church ow Church-care to watch teach admonish rebuke comfort as Col. 3. 16. Heb. 3. 13. 1 Thes. 5 14. to a fellow member of the same congregation only and ow no Church-care to another brother dwelling in the same house with him having with him the same faith the same baptism the same Lord the same covenant of Grace the same Saviour only because he is a member of another Independent Church Mr. H. Arg. 5. If they be Pastors over all the Congregations of the circuit then they were new chosen by the Congregations or not c. Ans. This is a repeated blast of an old horn there is this required that Churches about by their silence approve him as Pastor to one single Congregation but that all Congregations make a special election of him to be their fixed Pastor is no more required then that the Churches of Antioch and Ierusalem chose the Apostles and Elders who yet Act. 15. exercise pastoral and official acts over them by the grant of Mr. Cotton and our Brethren They are Elders of Ephesus i. e. of enery Congregation of the combination as all the Kings if they were met in one royal Court to govern the Nations in things of common concernment to all yet are called the Kings of the Nations These are words saith Mr. H. to darken the Elders met here have a new power distinct from the power over their several Congregations a Commission i. e. a new Creature The Kings if so convened have a joynt power of confederate Princes to act in things of common concernment and if that power were distinct from the particular power that they have over their own territories the comparison were parallel Ans. We may suppose such a convention of Kings the Commissioners or Mâ—ssengers of the Churches have no new office but only are met to determin of such a thing as disturbs the Churches Act. 15 5. they differ as Elders and such Elders sent and nominate by the Church and act as Elders by the same official power common to Elders that are not sent and are called by the Church Apostles and Elders Act. 15. 23. 16. 4. 21. 18 25. then sending and commissionating is a condition of order appointed by the God of order no devise of men and the Churches submit to them as to no new office But 1. as to the messengers of the Church and gracious and sound Elders 2. If they speak according to the Law and the testimony not otherwise and the answer is as much against Act. 15. and against Mr. Cotton and all that are for Synods either juridical or consultative as against Mr. R. for they go to Synods who so go by a new power of order not by a new office Mr. H. This course nullifies the power of Elders and proplâ—â—f a Congregation and their proceeding in a righteous way for the Classis may judge a member to be excommunicated whom the Congregation judgeth and that truely not worthy of that censure here the power of Elders and people which act in a way of Christ is wholly hindered Ans. This weak Argument is fully answered by me before That Government which of its own nature hinders and nullifies the righteous proceeding of the Congregation is not a power from Christ. True but now the assumption is false for the presbyterial power added to the just power of a Congregation does strengthen and not nullifie the power of the Congregation That Government which by accidâ—nt and abuse of their power in over voting two Elders who proceed according to the rule of Christ hinders and nullifies right proceeding in onâ— single act is not from Christ is most false For because an abused power and abused government is not from Christ it follows not that the power and government it self is not from God I added an answer to this in my Book which Mr. H. passeth over in silence Suppose the Congregation and Synod agree in the truth as they do Act. 15. Will you say that Peter Paul and Iames their power is nullified and their three votes are swallowed up in that greater convention because to their power is added in this dogmatical determination the power and voices of the rest of the Apostles and Elders yea and some say of the whole Church Act. 15. 2 6 25. 16. 4. 21. 18 25. So say
organick body but it hath power to edâ—fie it selfe as totum essentiale Ans. Christian edifying one of another in divers congregations 1 Thes. 5. 12. Col. 3. 16. Heb. 3. 13. by women and children of age we deny not but a Church edifying without Pastors or a perfecting of the body without officers Eph. 4. 11 12. 1 Cor. 12. 12 13 28. 1 Cor. 14. 4 12. we find not 2 Your male-Church edifying without Pastors must also edifie as an organical body In it women and children be silent and some unofficed brother teach pray and preside in the creating of officers and do the like when the Officers turn grievous Wolves and are to be cast out for then some unofficed brother must be Mouth and Organ to the rest and that is the very charge that Peter sustained in pastoral preaching at the creating of an officer and the Apostle Matthias Act. 1. 15. Mr. H. Let Mr. R. tell how God set teachers in the Church if teachers be before the Church Ans. Let Mr. H. tell how God giveth breath to them that walk on the Earth Isa. 42. 5. Was there breath before there was a living man walking on the earth or was there a living man walking on the earth before there was breathing Teachers are before Converts as Fathers are before Children Iohn Baptist and the Apostles were before such as they converted to the faith and baptized Noah before the Vineyard which he dressed God planted Apostles and Teachers even in the organical politick Church before it was a politick organical Church for by setting Organs in the body he made it an organical body but it is a senseless inference Ergo these Organs who are both Organs and Fathers and causes procreant of the Church had no being before the politick Church had being for natural organs in a physical body are only organs but not causes of the natural body but politick organs may be both and in this case are both Mr. H. To these are the Keys promised who are Stewards of the mysteries of God 1 Cor. 4. 1. servants of his house 2 Cor. 4. 5. Ans. The Servants are Pastors and Teachers in these places then the ruling Elder shall bear no Key Ans. Yet the conclusion is strong against the unofficed bearers Mr. Cotton the New England Discipline and Paul are herein as much crossed as I am for to them the ruling Elders are Stewards applying in censures in the external Court of Christ the Word as the Teachers apply it concionally Mr. Cotton makes the ruling Elders to be included with the Teachers of Ephesus Act. 20. And by the Argument Mr. H. may deny office-power of overseeing the house to all but to such as labour in the Word and Doctrine Mr. H. The places Isa. 9. 6. Revel 3. 7. speak of Monarchical power in Christ onely and prove not the point of delegated power Ans. Nor did I bring them for any other end but to prove that the Keys whoever bear them Head or Servants do signifie a power of office steward Oeconomus Commander of the Castle and so are never given to unofficed brethren for which cause I brought Fathers Doctors Divines Protestants Learned Papists saying the same And Mr. H. passes them all without an answer So the Learned Pagâ—in Mercerus Shimlâ—rus Buxtorf Ark of Noah Mr. Leigh and all Dictionaries expound the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 when given to House Prison Gaol Kingdom and Stephanus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and Mr. H. dictates against the authority of all the Learned Interpreters and Linguists and tells us besâ—de an office power it noteth Matth. 16. a judicial power of the spouse and wife to admit unto or reject out in the family as cause requires But 1. one word of Scripture he gives not 2. Nor saith Christ Matth. 16. any such thing as he gives the Keyes to the Church upon the Rock as the formal subject though it may be gathered he gives them for that Church as the object and final cause Mr. H. To these Mat. 16. doth Christ give the Keyes to whom be giveth warrant and official authority for actual exercising of opening and shutting but this he giveth to Peter as representing Teachâ—rs and Elders to thee will I give c. whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth c. So Mr. R. Ans. All may be granted and the official authority may be formally in the officers and originally and virtually in the Church 2. The proposition is fallâ— to wit to them the power of the Keyes is given firstly to whom warrant and official authoritie is given for the exercise of the same Keyes for the power of the Keyes is larger then office-power Ans. 1. My Argument is yet wronged to the same person to whom he promiseth the power or keyes or the power in its essence actu primo to the same person he promiseth shall exercise the specifick acts of the power and the second acts that must be the first formal subject to which God proâ—iseth a â—…sonable soul and the second and specifick acts of discoâ—rsing and that must be essentially a man Now unofficed brethren are not Embassadors but they are onely these to whom the Embassadors and officers are sent 2. By Mr. H. the â—eyes must in their official power begiven to Peter as representing the Guides â—nd also the power of the Keyes in the power of ruling must be given to Peter as to the first subject representing believers If the Text speak this it is a new conceit that never an Interpreter dreamed of and it must be made out that Peter iâ— spoken of in the Text in that â—â—ofold relation but that Peters binding and loosing on earth are acts of office or at least include â—cts of office and acts both of concional and also juridical remitting and retaining of sin and who despiseth Peter and the officers in either despiseth Christ and him that sent him is clear and that remitting and retaining sins is a binding and loosing cannot be denied and that remitting and retaining of sin flows from Christ calling the Disciples to an office is as clear Iohn 20. 21. As my Father Apostled me so send I you receive the Holy Ghost whose sins ye pardon they are pardoned c. And that this is a clear commission to Peter and all officers in him to exercise an official power of binding and loosing is apparent by this Text if by any in the New Testament But Mr. H. against this clear Text saith here Pastors have good warrant for their office power because the Church hath received power to admit chuse and refuse officers c. But because Mr. R said they have clear commission for the Keys both in power v. 19. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and in the acts and exercises 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and what thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven But though the place be clear and all Interpreters teach it yet will not Mr H. grant
that by Mat. 16. 〈◊〉 Peter and other Church-officers Christ gives both the power of the Keys or the Keyes and the exercise of the power v. 10. I will give to thee the Keyes and whomsoever thou shalt bind c. And if Mr. H. say not this he shall be forced to say that these to wit the power of the Keys and actual exercise of the Keys which are clearly holden forth v. 19. are given to Peter so confessing Christ that is as he represents all believers so confessing Christ. And so all such must have both the Keyes and the formal exercise of pastoral binding for that pastoral binding is given to Peter v. 19. and brethren and women so confessing must pastorally bind v. 19. Then how can an official power be given to Peter as he represents this male-Church upon a meer allegiance As to the place Matth. 28. 19. it abundantly warrants the Disciples to an office-power But the question yet remains whether this place Matth. 16. especially doth not warrant more clearly Pastors as Pastors to both the power and exercise of the power of the Keys And by this To thee will I give the Keys must yet have this sense I will give the Keyes to thee Peter as representing both the Pastors and Believers of the male Professors only Yet Peter gave not that blessed confession as an Apostle but as a Believer enlightned by the spirit of the Father aboâ—e flesh and blood nor was Peter as an Apostle builded upon the Rock and above the prevailing temptations of Satan and Hell except we hold from this place the Popes infallibility but it is good that it is granted that by this place the Keyes must be given to Peter as representing the officers also for here saith Mr. H. Pastors may have good warrant for their office power Then is the thing we contend for granted if M. H. would prove the other that here the male Church excluding women hath good warrant as the first and proper subject to challenge the power and exercise of the Keys here spoken of Matth. 16. he had indeed performed a great point But this remains that the Reader is left in the mist what to make of our Brethrens way by these words upon this Rock will I build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it Nor is it fair arguing to flee to the old Testament saith judicious Mr. Firmin because the Children of Israel Numb 8. 10. layed hands upon the Levites for what if one say Moses the Magistrate layed on hands 2. If it be a good warrant where officers are as in the place were Aarons sons yet the people only and not the Presbytery though there be a sufficient one must lay on hands 3. Aanon as Mr. Firmin noteth verse 14. completed the ordination for he did wave those Levites before the Lord. 2. How is it proved that Moses gathered the whole people Numb 8. 10. Thou shalt gather the whole assembly the whole Church and they shall offer them in sacrifice saith Vatablus and by that saith Menochius who collects from R. Stephanus Vatablus and others they did not author it atively ordain the Levites but gave over to the Lord and his service the Levites Deut. 31. 20. Gather to me all the Elders v. 30. and Moses spake into the ears of the Congregation Rehal Iunius Diâ—dati English Divines they consented to the call of the Levites Cyrillus Alexandrinus and Cyprian Tertullian as Leo Magnus also say the people chused or the Levites were called they being then present So Beda Lyranus Iunius Piscator Ainsworth say a part of the people laid on hands on the Levites Cajetan and Lorinus the Princes of the Tribes in place of the people layed on hands and consented quia offerens saith Lyra debâ—bat ponere manum super oblationem suam So Diodati they imitate such as offered by laying on the hand on the oblation Now Mr. H. his binding loosing comprehend eth all acts of Church-power not only by publick preaching for so the ruling Elder should have no key but also by excommunication and admission admonitions which issue from judging power as we proved Ans. That is said gratis admonition and consent to receive in and cast out members by cansent necessarily agree to women it so much concerning their dayly practices and conscience and they have no judicial power 2. By no Scripture can Mr. H. prove that admonition of Brethren is Church-binding and loosing and that it is limitted to one congregation Nor can a single flock bind a member of the Catholick Church or a sojourning visible Saint to Church judging in one single congregation nor is there one jot in Scripture to tye the Brother Mat. 18. 15. If thy Brother trâ—spss c. To a Brother member of that onely congregation of which the Plaintiff is a member 3. I said that binding and loosing are words of official authority undue to unofficed brethren at the Scripture saith See the Margin Ier. 40. 4 c. above Mr. H. The promise is made to Peter because of his consession in name of the Believers Ans. The Text saith no such thing but because of his consession 1. He and all men and women who so sincerely confess are blessed because really regenerate flesh and blood hath not revealed that c. v. 16. 2. Because of this confession a promise of perseverance is made to the whole Catholick Church invisible then the way how to fulfil this promise is set down I will make this invisible Church visible and I will give the Keys of Word and Censures to thee Peter and to all the called Pastors c. for the Churches salvation of men and women that they may be kept invincible upon the Rock Mr. H. grants that the Keyes are given to believers who may be hypocrites Ans. Adde and to them as the first formal subject This is before refuted But it is asked Why Brethren believing and as so incorporated should be made the first subject of the Keys by this Text and not also the first subject of the love of Election and Redemption by which they are built on the Rock and made impregnable against the gates of Hell for the one is said of the Church here and not one word that he will give the Keys to the Church As also Mr. H. granteth that Christ speaks not to Peter as representing all believers but onely the disciples and male-believers But whom say ye that I am ye disciples Ans. It s true he propounds the question to the disciples onely but saith he that hence onely men and unofficed Brethren of a single congregation who give such a sincere confession are blessed and built on the Rock So he saith Matth. 13. 10 11. to the disciples onely To you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God to them it is not given Are there then none the Elect of God men or
in any sense they are not but Churches in nature different If these were species then every one of the threescore must be that one onely Church for genus praedicatur de specie But it is sure that the innumerable Virgins that is believers members of the Church who with chaste love adhere to their onely Husband Christ Cant. 1 3. that is such as are chosen and called of God saith Ainsworth on the place and faithful whether whole Churches as 2 Cor. 11. 2. or particular persons cannot be every one of them that one onely Church Catholick for then every single Church should be the onely one Spouse of Christ ver 8 9. 3. To that Church I mean for their salvation and good hath Christ given the Keys which is the complete Spouse of Christ and to which Christ bears the adequate and full relation of the love of Redemption Eph. 5. 25. Ioh. 3. 16. 1 Ioh. 2. 1 2. Iob. 10 11. of love of justifying and washing Rev. 1. 5. 5. 4 c. But neither the congregation this or that nor the congregation that exists ut genus in specie a◠most illogically Mr. H. says is the complete Spouse of Christ nor doth Christ bear the full and adequate relation of the love of Redemption of Justification Sanctification to the congregation in any sense For. 1. This object of love takes not in the visible Saints sojourners dismembers as said is to whom Christ bears a love as to chaste virgins 2. Nor is the love of God in choosing effectual calling justifying the ungodly carrying them on to persevere to the end terminated upon societies visible as visible congregations for so he should love all the Reprobates Iudas Magus who are all visible Church-members But its certain Christ loves none of these with that adequate love of Redemption nor with marriage-love as he doth his beloved Spouse Cant. 4. 7 8 9 10. 6 4 9 10. 3. Not is that love of Redemption terminated upon persons onely upon the bare relation of Church-members for Christ takes them not into the Kings Chambers Cant. 1. 4. to his banqueting house Cant. 2. 4. nor draws he them after him by his powerful grace Cant. 1. 4. Ioh. 6 44. nor blesses he or imbraces them his left hand being under their head and his right hand imbracing them Cant. 2. 6. nor doth God teach them Ioh. 6. 45. nor ingrave his Law in their heart or give a heart of flesh and a new heart Ier. 31. 33. Ezek. 11. 19. 36 26 27. onely in the capacity of visible Church-members for he bestows this love upon the Jaylor upon Saul upon the Eunuch and upon many thousands before they profess as members yea and upon thousands in the bosom of the Church of Rome who out of weakness though that be their sin dare not profess the Gospel Then it must be false that the nature of the Church and of those spiritual priviledges that belong to the congregation in general or in this or this congregation and that the relation of Christ as Husband King Head Seeker of the lost Good Shepherd and of his Redeeming love is broader than a visible congregation in any sense Mr. Hooker shall take it and is no ways commensurate thereunto And so not one of my Arguments but stand in force CHAP. III. Some further Considerations of the place Matth. 16. ANy sense according to Mr. Hooker can hardly be put upon that Upon this Rock will I build my Church For 1. The question is Whether they do any thing to inchurch themselves upon the Rock for sure they are active in professing 2. In suiting membership 3. In covenanting Then must Magus and Iudas by acting the part of hypocrites build themselves upon the Rock Wilde Divinity again 2. Christs act of building is either absolute or conditional if absolute then saith Christ I inchurch you upon the Rock whether ye believe or believe not but Scripture never tells us of Peter or any built upon the Rock Christ but by real sincere faith If Peters act of faith be conditional the condition must be either sincere faith or meer profession if the former we stand strong Mr. H. is at a loss for there is no promise of real union with the Rock and perseverance but to such as are living members in Christ Ioh. 15. if the latter then saith Christ I I promise to you Judas Magus real union with the Rock or Upon this faith saith Chrysostom so Hilary so Augustine so you play the hypocrites egregiously and seem to believe Now this shall be non sense 3. It cannot be said I promise to build all in a Church-way so they believe sincerely For 1. The ports of Hell and Satan should not prevail against persons to strip them of Church-membership contrary to experience 2. The promise is made to persons that confess as Peter but many real believers and visible professors have been put to death and are never made Church-members this way and many real believers in the Church of Rome never profess and many Church-members and Churches of visible Saints are dissolved through persecution Again there is a name and room promised in the House of God Isa. 56. but not upon condition of hypocritical but real believing Obj. Iudas was not made an Apostle upon condition of faith Ans. True a man may be made an officer and his acts valid and yet the man no sound believer Q. Should a man be admitted a Church-officer who is not judged a real convert Ans. The Scripture is sparing in submitting conversion or regeneration to the authoritative determination of men yet the equivalent of this is said 1. If Timothy must commit the Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to faithful men who are able to teach others as 2 Tim. 2. 2. And if 2. The Elders and Pastors which Titus is to admit must be to his discerning beside negatives not self-willed not soon angry c. also lovers of good men sober just holy temperate holding fast the faithful word c. Tit. 1. 5. compared with v. 7 8 9 10. Then must the real holiness of officers be known to Timothy and to Titus 3. If the Apostle will have Timothy to try Bishops and Deacons also and that experiencedly that they be vigilant sober patient grave no novices humble holy c. the way that mettals are tried in the fite 1 Tim. 2. 1 2 3 c. so the word is Luke 14. 19. Iam. 1. 12. 2 Cor. 13. 5. and will have him lay hands suddenly on no man but deliberately 1 Tim. 5. 21 22. Then surely the Apostle supposes that they may be known to be such 4. If the Apostles do charge the multitude who had no judicial authority to look out from among them seven men of honest report full of the holy Ghost and of wisdome Acts 6. 5. to be Deacons then Luke supposes that that might be answered We cannot know whether men have the holy Ghost or
essentials to Officers 2. The method and order of Ordination and Election 3. The place 1 Tim. 4. 14. touching the laying on of hands of the Presbytery is opened 4. The necessity of laying on of hands 5. Designation to a certain flock is not essential to a Pastor MR. H. Ordination according to the minde of Mr. R. and his method as preceding the Election of the people doth not give the essentials to the outward call of a Minister Ans. Ordo causandi non tollit ipsam câ—â—salitatem If Plate say the soul was created before the body this will not prove but body and soul are essential causes of man So because Ordination administred Mr. R. his way and method gives not the essentials to a Minister this by no Logick can cashier Ordination from an essential cause thereof Mr. H. Luke saith Acts 6. first they chose Steven ver 5. then the Apostles laid on hands ver 6. if not any but those who are elected by the people should be ordained and all such who were so chosen could not be refused then to ordain before choice is neither to make application of the Rule or a communicating of the Right in an orderly manner But the first is plain the Apostles would not take that soveraignty in ordaining Elders therefore they would not allow their Scholars to arrogate to call so Acts 14. 23. When they had created them Elders in every Church the Geneva When they had ordained Elders by election of the people and prayed and fasted they commended them to God c. then the officers had a full call and a full night to the execution of their office before laying on of hands which is not necessary and must not the setting in order things amiss be done by Titus i. e. the Officers and the Church also Tit. 1. 5. Ans. 1. Luke saith not they were elect called officers with a full call and full right before the Apostles laid on hands for Mr. R. saith they were chosen that is nominated as godly men before the Apostles laid on hands as David and Saul were both chosen set apart by God before unction and choice of the people but they were not formally chosen Kings having full royalty while as yet the people knew them not from other men but the seven men were not formally and completely chosen as officers before ordination and so had neither right nor official full right to be their Deacons while the Apostles ordained them for this Rite say Beza Bullinger Calvin Gualther Diodati English Divines used in Sacrifices was used in creating of officers 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ver 3. to choose is a far lower word as Cyprian saith it noteth Plâ—bis approbationem Leo con sensum plebis Calvin the approbation of the people What then is the Apostles and officers part Authority official there must be laying on of hands saith Mr. H. was not of necessity required yea but its safer to believe the holy Ghost it was done then it was no unnecessary complement the cup was given to the people by the Apostles 1 Cor. 11. True say Papists as Mr. H. it was not of necessity required 2. Though there be a wide difference in the matter if none should be ordained but those onely that are first chosen as formally and completely as their fixed 〈◊〉 then election goes before ordination Mr. R. denies the connexion and desires Mr. H. to prove it yea the contrary followâ— Ergo the people cannot appropriate the man to be their fixed officer nor consent he be theirs only and this to me is only formal election until he first be ordained an officer The sick man cannot choose A. B. to be his Physician until he first be a Physician nor can a Scholar choose C. D. to be his Teacher of Philosophy until C. D. he first a Philosopher 3. The Assumption is false But all such who are so chosen could not be refused then must the Elders be necessitated to lay hands on Nicolaus though they know him to be the head of that unclean Sect of which Epiphâ—nius Irâ—…s Dâ—rothâ—â—s Tâ—rtullian judge him to be leader Why the people have chosen him then the Elders must lay on hands suddenly on an heretical Teacher a Wolf Why they cannot refuse him saith Mr. H. for The people hath chosen him What tyranny of conscience is here 4. This calling of the Deacons and consequently of all other officers if we suppose that the office was instituted as now it was by Mr. H. his way might well have been without either presence or acting of either Apostles or officers for saith Mr. H. there was no necessity of laying on of hands by the onely multitude and I require one Scripture for the calling of one officer without the concurrent acting of Apostles and officers by the sole people and can shew warrants for the presence and acting of Apostles and officers in the calling of officers especially those Acts 1. 15 23. 6. 6. 14. 23. Tit. 1. 5 6 7 c. 1 Tim. 4. 14. 5. 22. 2 Tim. 2. 2. 1 Tim. 2. 1 2 3 10. Revel 2. 2. ver 20. Acts 20. 28 29 30. 13. 1 2 3 4. 5. Be it as the Geneva reading saith as it is not yet as Mr. Seaman well observes and Calvin saith it also with Beza the officers had their official votes and are said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as Stephanus Mr. Leigh Theodor. Balsamo Zonaras and Bellarmine grants it and it proves that the onely people created not officers Ergo by neither this place nor by any other Scripture could they give them full right to their office See Amesius and Calvin Hence if the officers by these places have suffrages and votes in ordaining of officers as why should the holy Ghost bid prophets separate Paul and Barnabas for such a ministry and command Timothy to lay hands suddenly on no man 1 Tim. 5. 22. but on faithful men that are able to teach others 2 Tim. 2. 2. Tit. 1. 5 7 8. if officers have no official work in creating officers but only to choose them which any brother or woman may do then it is not needless that officers concur to create officers and if it be not required of necessity that they concur it must be idle work both here and in the cited places that they concur but because they did concur I have as good reason that the peoples concurring in choosing was needless though they did choose as Mr. H. hath cause to say the officers concurrence is needless in ordaining though in truth the Word of God require both as necessary Lastly For the setting in order things since these must be things of jurisdiction also we say juridical acts by no Scripture are ascribed to the whole Church except by the Church be understood the Church of Rulers the rest only consenting which is our mind Mr. H. Arg. 2. That place 1 Tim. 4. 14. favours not Mr. R. for