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A40456 Querees propounded by the Protestant partie concerning the peace in generall, now treated of in Ireland, and the answers thereunto made in behalfe and name of the Irish nation / by one well affected thereto ; to the first copies whereof many things are inserted and much added. French, Nicholas, 1604-1678. 1644 (1644) Wing F2182; ESTC R35691 21,588 38

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whereof it is evident was the sole cause of the defeat At Loghleagh you were shamefully beaten At Rosse we had our intent which was to defend the Towne though you got the field by the advantage of your Artillery and somewhat else must not be spoken off At Keshenennan being in all not a full thousand men horse and foote very slightly provided we kept the passage against your great Army of five or sixe thousand horse and foote At Clancurry we had also our intent which was to send you home without annoyance of us At Portlester you got the worst as is aforesaid All such Castles as we have gained from you we wonne them in a manner without difficulty blowes or losse Ballinikill onely excepted which also held not out much more then halfe a day after the first shot of a Cannon though you vauntingly glorified it with the name of invincible yet in each of them you abounded with men and all other Military provision Now in all these battles encounters skirmishes and Castles wonne or lost it is particularly to bee noted that you never gayned from us without stiffe and stout resistance sharpe blowes and much losse most commonly and with much advantage of Artillery Armes Amunition and other warlike necessaries whereas whensoever we got from you I say for the most part it was evermore without much opposition damage or bloud with all kinde of disadvantage of our side which evidently demonstrats whose men are most cowarded or stood worst If we still runne away why did not you over-runne and conquer the kingdome And if a man armed onely with a Club or a Gunne without powder should flye from another compleatly armed and provided to his hearts desire can any with reason therefore call that man a coward I should rather hold him for a Cullion that pursues such a man or at least cannot wrest his will or winne his wish from him If our men thus nakedly appointed could hold play for a whole yeare to yours plentifully furnished while succour was a comming as it appeares they did may they be nickenamed Cowards rather the contrary for all this proves manifestly that you were very cowards or they very valiant fellowes and I thinke you will rather averre the later then avow the former How ever I am certaine all Christian Nations else will and doe proclayme them valiant yea England and Scotland their most spleenative enemies Prince Rupert will witnesse it And out of these premisses I deduce an infallible consequence two or three ergo our men and monyes are considerable ergo it is dangerous for you in a new warre to hazard the losse of the kingdome and utter extirpation of the protestant party Ergo it is better and safer for you his Majesty should give content to this Nation by giving his Royall assent to our propositions But you say it is not in his Majesties power to condescend to our demands If he shall it will set popery againe in jurisdiction introduce the Supremacie of Rome and take away or endanger his Majesties supreme authority in causes Ecclesiasticall a diminution of honour and power not be endured I answer we desire not the repealing of any ancient grounded lawes but to be disburdened of certayne grievous pressures layd on us either by acts of state or parliament or the lawlesse Law of Sic volo sic jubeo fraudulently or violently enacted and executed by the unsupportable tyranny of the ministers of this subordinat governement destructive to our Religion lives and liberties which a free parliament with his Majesties Royall assent can legally doe therefore it lyes in his Majesties power to grant our propositions Doubtlesse you will acknowledge King Charles to be as lawfull absolut powerfull a King of England and Ireland tam de jure quam de facto as was Henry the VIII or Edward the VI Who as it were at a blow beat downe and suppressed a Religion of above eight hundred or rather twelve hundred yeares standing seazed on IESUS CHRISTS owne patrimony the possessions of the Clergy confiscated their goods sacked and prophaned their Churches in fine turned above ten thousand of them out of doores to seeke their fortunes without being heard or orderly convicted for any offence contrary to all Law conscience and common reason For the Abbeys hold their Lands in Franke Almoine and in Fee they were possessed of them by the donation of severall Saxon English and Norman Kings and Subjects continued legally by prescription established by law and confirmed by the Charters of Kings as that of Magna Charta 9. H. 3. and the confirmation thereof 28. Ed. 1. Where it is granted that the Church of England shall be free and have its liberties inviolable and cap. 2. judgement given against them shall be held for naught Also sententia lata super confirmatione Chartarum by Ed. 1. or ●● Ed. 3. cap. 8. If any statute be made contrary to Magna Charta it shall be voyde or the confirmation of all these 1. 6. 7. 8. of Rich. 2. and 4. H 4. All which were intended to prevent tyranny and secure the Church then being visibly knowne and generally reverenced for to no other Church were they granted neyther can any other enjoy them Yet did Henry the eight and Edward the sixt assume the power to controvert and subvert all these which you approve and applaud though they were acts surmounting the puisance of heaven and you will not allow King Charles the power of ordinary actions and sublunary things in our behalfes albeit you avow his consent given to the Scots as aforesaid by act of parliament to pull downe Bishops without whom a parliament is no parliament In equity and reason whatsoever Common-law may pretend to the contrary His Majesty by a publicke Declaration in Print declared the late Earle of Strafford innocent for matter of bloud yet was he compelled after to subscribe to the condemnation and decollation of the said Earle to content the parliament of England as yet insatiably discontented All these I say you approve and commend and yet must his Majesties hands be bound and his gracious favours lockt up from us under pretext forsooth of impossibilities in our demands though they contayne nought but what legally layes in his Majesties Royall brest to grant As for your wonted childish foppery which you call popery to be set againe in jurisdiction our propositions import as you meane it no such thing but that we may be allowed the freedome of the Roman Catholicke Religion which hath here continued in jurisdiction if you know what meanes jurisdiction above a thousand yeares maugre all your fiery furies and persecutions And suppose it were in jurisdiction as you understand it no disinteressed judgement can see what his Majesty should loose thereby his Rents and Customes would be still the same if not much more by reason of the freedome of ingresse and egresse of trafficke and the fidelity of Officers he should gayne a