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A14463 A Christian instruction, conteyning the law and the Gospell Also a summarie of the principall poyntes of the Christian fayth and religion, and of the abuses and errors contrary to the same. Done in certayne dialogues in french, by M. Peter Viret, sometime minister of the Word of God at Nymes in Prouince. Translated by I.S. Seene and allowed according to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions.; Instruction chrestienne en la doctrine de la loy et de l'Evangile. English. Selections Viret, Pierre, 1511-1571.; Viret, Pierre, 1511-1571. Instruction chrestienne et somme generale de la doctrine comprinse ès sainctes Escritures. aut; Shute, John, fl. 1562-1573. 1573 (1573) STC 24778; ESTC S119199 214,871 552

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the firste A. The honor and obedience whiche we owe to all those that the Lorde hath appointed superiors and gouernours ouer vs. De. The other An. The care whiche we should haue both in generall and especiall the one of the others as of our selues D. What dost thou vnderstande by this care A. That we oughte with all our power to procure the honoure and profite of all men and to let their dishonour and hurte as wel in soule as in body and goodes and name D. It seemeth to mée that thou haste agayn here made a little Summarie of all the commaundementes comprehended in the second table of the lawe A. It is euen so Of Prayer D Folowing on the same which we haue sayde of Faithe and of the workes and frutes of the same I haue yet to demaūd thée one thing concernyng the inuocation of the name of God. A. What is it D. It is concerning prayer and the manner howe to pray which things we must vse A We can not followe a more certaine rule in that respect that that which Iesus Christe himselfe hath giuen vs. The forme of Prayer giuen by Iesus Christe D. Whiche is the forme of Prayer A. Our father whiche arte in heauen Thy name be halowed Thy kingdom come Thy will be done in earth as in heauen Giue vs thys day our dayly bread Pardon vs all our offences euen as we forgiue them that haue offended against vs And leade vs not into temptation but deliuer vs from the euill For thyne is the kingdome power and glorie for euer and ouer Sobeit Diuision of the matters conteyned in the Lordes Prayer D. What doth this forme of prayer comprehende in summe A. We may diuide the whole in two partes D. Whiche is the first A. The preface of the same D. And whiche is the seconde A. The requestes therin made Of the addresse of the Christians in their prayers and of their true aduocate in the same D. What dothe he teache vs in that preface An. To whome we ought to direct all oure Prayers and by what mediator and aduocate D. To whom must wée make our prayers A. To God only as to our very heauenly father vnto whom onely that honoure is reserued and is due De. And whome shall wée take for aduocate and mediatoure towards him An. Him only by whome he is made our father and through whome we may call vppon him as vpon our father D. Which is he A. Iesus Christe his well beloued Sonne by whome only we are made the children of God where as naturally we were the children of wrath VVhat thinges vve ought to demande of God in our prayers D. What saist thou touching the request made in that forme of prayer A. That it is not lawfull for any man to desire or demaunde of God any other thing than that which is conteyned in them D. What is it that is comprehended in them A. All that which man may iustly desire and demaunde as well for the glory of God as for his owne saluatiō all his necessities A diuision of the requests conteyned in the Lorde his prayer D. Howe many requestes be there in the whole An. Sixe De. By what order are they disposed A. The thrée firste haue regarde chiefly to that which concerneth the glory of God. D. And the other thrée A. To that whiche is necessary for man as well for this corporall life as for his eternall saluation D. Wherefore did our Lord Iesus Christ in this matter obserue this order A. To teach vs how we ought to frame all oure desires to the glory of God and that we ought to haue the same in most speciall recommendation and to submitte vnto the same all those thinges which we require of him for vs. Of the ministerie of the Church and of the vse of the same D. Now seing that true faith is the very foundation of our saluation and the true fountaine of all good works tel me nowe how we may obtayne the same A. Thou moughtest already vnderstande it by that whiche we haue sayde of the viuification and sanctification of the faithfull by the holy Ghost D. I vnderstande wel that it is a gifte of God whiche is giuen to vs by the holy Ghost but God is the meane by the whiche the holy Ghoste is serued in this woorke A. The ministerye of the worde of God whiche hée hathe ordeyned in his Churche to that ende Of the partes of the ministerie of the Churche D. What conteyneth this ministerie A. We may make thrée parts of it D. Whiche is the first A. The administration of the pure worde of God. D. The second A. The administration of the sacramentes ordeyned in the same D. The thirde A. The conseruation of the discipline of the Churche Of the discipline of the Churche De. What meanest thou by that discipline A The pollicie which ought to be had in the Churche to keepe all things in good order in the same according to the worde of God. D. To what ende serueth that policie A. It is so necessary in the Church that without the same the admistration of the word of the sacraments can not there be entertayned conserued in his right authoritie as is requisite Of the Sacraments that are in Christes Church and of the things that ar to be considereed in them D. What callest thou sacramentes A. The signes taken of visible thyngs the whiche Iesus Chryste hath ioyned to his promises euen as it were to seale vnto vs the truth of them and to confirme the same vnto vs. Dem. What thinges are there to be considered in them A. There are thrée things principall D. Which is the first A. The worde of God which is the very foundation D. The second A. The visible signes whiche are as seales D. The third A. The things signified as well by the worde as by the signes Of the things that are to be considered in the woorde D. What is there to be considered in the worde A. Two things D. Whiche is the first A. The cōmandement of God by the whiche we are bounde to his holy Sacraments D. The second A. It is the promise by the which he doth aduertise vs of the grace that he doth offer and bestow vpon vs in them Of the vse of the signes D. To what purpose serue the signes A. To represente to the eyes and to the other corporall senses the things that are signified by the worde D. What profite commeth of this A. It serueth for greater declaration of them and for a more greater confirmation of the faith D. Do they serue to any other purpose than this A. As God by them on his parte declareth his good affection toward vs aduertising vs of the good that he will do to vs We also of our parte do set forth and declare our faith and our harte and affection towards him by them D. The sacraments then by this accoumpte are
néedefull that they haue helpers with them whiche may be called censures or ancients of the church as they are called in the holy scriptures to helpe them in that that I haue said M. Which is the first of these two causes P. It is that the ministers are not ordinarily so many that they maye sée in euery place and on the other part all are not so carefull so diligent and so perfect to loke to all things as it were to be desired M. Which is the other cause P. It is that all be it they could doe it it is good that there be others of the Churche which may bée ioyned vnto them to giue to vnderstand that the Church in respect of the policie and discipline the Iesus Christ hath there appointed and of the gouernment which he hath giuen to men is not as a Monarchy or some other temporall lordship in the which certaine princes haue all absolute authoritie but it is an holy and frée communaltie which for that cause is called the communion of Saintes to the whych Iesus Chryst hath gyuen in generall and not to any one in particular all the power and authoritye that there is to vse for edification and not to destruction Of the true head of the Church and of the power giuen to the church by Iesus Christ to chose those vvhich haue publique office in the same hovv requisite it is that that order be there obserued M. BVt in taking it so it séemeth to me that there is no order at al but rather great confusion For if there be no certaine head euery man wil there bée a maister the one as great as the other P. It doth not so folow of that which I haue saide For first of all she is not without a head for so much as it hath Iesus Christ for hir head Afterward al be it that the power authoritie be giuen to the whole cōmunaltie of the faithfull as it is in the hands of the people in a popular estate the which mē haue aunciently called Dimocracie yet for al that it hindreth not at all but that the church by a cōmon consent may chose out of the body of this holy communaltie such certaine persons as may haue the special charge to exercise administer the publique offices which are ordeined of God in the same as they do in a frée citie in the which the choise of publique offices is made by the burgeses citizens of the same whiche are all of one very communaltie M. Thy meaning is then that all the authoritie and power of the rule and gouernement of the Church is giuen in generall to all the Churche and that therefore it belongeth to the same to choose according to the word of God those whome she knoweth to be most méete to exercise therein the publique offices and to whōe God hathe distributed the most of hys gifts to execute the same faithfully P. In all the time that the Church was wel ruled according to the worde of God and that she was not oppressed by tyrannie she euer vsed that order And therfore it is more than necessarie that she holde alway hir right hir power and authoritie such as she hath receiued of god to the end that there be none of the members of the same be they either ministers of the same or else the magistrates or the cōmō people that may take in hand any thinge in this spirituall rule gouernmēt of their owne authoritie but that euery one of the flocke content himselfe with the charge that shal be committed vnto him by lawful vocation Of the office as vvell of the ministers as of the other auncientes and Censures of the Church and of the regard that chiefly must be had vnto them M. SEing it is so shew me thē what is the office as wel of the ministers as of other censures and ancients which may be ioyned vnto them in this Ecclesiastique discipline P. It is first of all to sée carefully that the doctrine of the lord be not only truly set foorth in the Church but also that it be receyued with all honoure and reuerence and practised as it is méete M. It is then méete that they which haue the ouersight publique charge in the churche do watch not only ouer the people but also ouer the ministers P. But it is ouer the ministers chiefly that first héede must be taken for if their doctrine and life be not such as their office requireth they shal be a greater slaunder and a greater ruine to the whole Church than any other God shall be more dishonored in them than he shall in all the rest that be vnder theyr charge M. And who shal haue the superintendance ouer them considering that they be the chiefe gouernours and leaders which must leade and gouerne all the rest that are cōmitted vnto them P. If they must in déede watch ouer others and correct them they must chiefly looke vpon themselues according to the aduertisement whiche Saincte Paule giueth them and they must correct the faultes that bée among them by the discipline which they should haue togither M. But if they doe it not but doe beare the one with the other or if there be such faultes eyther in their doctrine or lyfe which deserue greater censures or in déede open rebuke what remedie is there for that P. Then muste the Ecclesiastique consistories whiche are ordeyned by and in the name of the whole Churche prouide for the same whervnto the other auncients and Censures of the Church do assist with the ministers to remedie all offences whiche may be eyther in the doctrine or lyfe of any man be he minister or other M. Shal not the coūcels prouide for that P. That is a later remedy whervnto men may haue recourse when necessitie requireth it prouided that they be lawfull M. Then muste the lyke be vnderstode of al the rest which are appointed in these Consistories as Censures and Senators and ecclesiasticall iudges P. Thou mayste well vnderstande that if they whiche are appointed to correcte others doe not first correct themselues amōg themselues they shal haue no great authoritie to correcte those whiche they ought to correcte neyther may they doe it without their greate shame and confusion and without giuyng great occasion of murmure slaunder and scattering of all the Churche M. And if they whiche haue speciall charge in the Churche doe bear the one with the other and be them selues the cause of slaunders and scattering of the same hath not then the whole Church together power to correct them and to prouyde for and remedie suche faultes P. Séeing that the power wherof we speake is giuen by Iesus Chryst to his whole Church who hath power to take it from hir May they take it from hir to whome shée hath giuen it M. No excepte they be tyrauntes P. Thou sayest truthe The .xxj. Dialogue is of brotherly correction of excōmunication of particular